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February 17th, 2019 at 7:00:53 PM permalink
At the tip of a lit candle, it's 1800 degrees F.

My house is mid 19th century so the
bedrooms are small. I picked the smallest
one because it's easy to cool and to heat,
49 sq ft.

My thermostat is at 63 in the winter, but
it only gets to 60 in my bedroom because
it's at the back of the house. 25 years'
ago a Gibson Greeting Card store was
going out of business. They were the
first greeting card company in the
US.

I bought their whole 2000 candle
inventory for $100, a lifetime supply.
They're in the barn, I still have most
of them.

1800 degrees, I wondered if they could
raise the temp of my bedroom. 4 of them
raise it from 60 to 67 in about an hour.
Heck with the space heater.

I wouldn't do this with full price candle,
it would cost $50 a month. The candles
I have didn't cost nuttin..
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February 17th, 2019 at 7:22:27 PM permalink
How many hours does each candle last?
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February 17th, 2019 at 7:35:19 PM permalink
Quote: TigerWu

How many hours does each candle last?



A 10" taper lasts 7-8 hours. I timed them.

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February 17th, 2019 at 7:40:45 PM permalink
Now the whole house is 1800 degrees
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February 17th, 2019 at 7:49:40 PM permalink
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Smoking in bed again?
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February 18th, 2019 at 5:26:09 AM permalink
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Candles cause house fires
During the five-year period of 2012-2016: Candles caused 2% of reported home fires, 3% of home fire deaths, 7% of home fire injuries, and 4% of the direct property damage in home fires. ... Falling asleep was a factor in 11% percent of the home candle fires and 21% of the associated deaths.



https://www.nfpa.org/Public-Education/By-topic/Top-causes-of-fire/Candles
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February 18th, 2019 at 5:50:08 AM permalink
It is amazing how much heat a candle or two will throw off. Just make sure they cannot fal over or otherwise start a fire.
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February 18th, 2019 at 6:14:02 AM permalink
I remember reading a story maybe 10 or so years ago about an architect who built his house to be as thermally efficient as possible. As I recall, the goal was to get as close to zero heat transfer in or out when all windows and doors were shut. He claimed that in the winter, if the house was too cold, all he had to do to warm it up was toss a ball for his dog to chase. Excess canine body heat did the rest.
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February 18th, 2019 at 8:12:11 AM permalink
Okay, someone do the math for me...

2,000 candles, lasting 8 hours each... four candles burning for an hour will heat one room to a comfortable level... let's just say 3 months for winter....

How many winters will EvenBob's candle supply last?
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February 18th, 2019 at 8:32:31 AM permalink
Quote: TigerWu

Okay, someone do the math for me...

2,000 candles, lasting 8 hours each... four candles burning for an hour will heat one room to a comfortable level... let's just say 3 months for winter....

How many winters will EvenBob's candle supply last?


The question is, once the room reaches a "comfortable level," if you extinguish the candles, how long before you need to light them again?
Or can you maintain the level with, say, two candles?
And how long do you need to maintain the level?

If you really want a "solution," and assume you only need to keep fork handles-er, four candles (RIP Ronnie Corbett) lit for an hour to keep the room warm enough for the entire night, and "three months" is 90 days, then one set of four candles will last 8 days, and one winter is 11 1/4 sets, which is 495 sets in 44 winters, and the remaining five sets last 4/9 of the 45th.
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February 18th, 2019 at 10:16:50 AM permalink
Quote: TumblingBones

I remember reading a story maybe 10 or so years ago about an architect who built his house to be as thermally efficient as possible. As I recall, the goal was to get as close to zero heat transfer in or out when all windows and doors were shut. He claimed that in the winter, if the house was too cold, all he had to do to warm it up was toss a ball for his dog to chase. Excess canine body heat did the rest.



Sounds like the kind of guy they find dead in his home because various gasses could not escape.
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February 18th, 2019 at 10:26:19 AM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

Sounds like the kind of guy they find dead in his home because various gasses could not escape.



There was a story years ago where a
guy ate a ton of chili for dinner, passed
out drunk in his small airtight bedroom,
and died form the methane farts that had
no way to escape. Urban legend or true,
good story.
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February 18th, 2019 at 10:37:37 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

There was a story years ago where a
guy ate a ton of chili for dinner, passed
out drunk in his small airtight bedroom,
and died form the methane farts that had
no way to escape. Urban legend or true,
good story.



What is true is things like carbon monoxide were not as big a problem before the 70s because the houses had better airflow. Mold too, probably, for another example. One of those things like the bedbugs and baseboard spraying that just happened, not planned.
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February 18th, 2019 at 12:00:37 PM permalink
I'm sure I read somewhere, that having enough candles to heat a cold room also creates the same problem as a fire place with no venting.

How long will EB's candle supply last? Whatever is left after he is dead probably.


Now I have heated a small bedroom with an electric heater and let the whole house get cold. The bathroom down the hall wasn't heated though, and it was artic cold going down there in the night from a warm bedroom.
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February 18th, 2019 at 12:05:46 PM permalink
Quote: ThatDonGuy

The question is, once the room reaches a "comfortable level," if you extinguish the candles, how long before you need to light them again?
Or can you maintain the level with, say, two candles?
And how long do you need to maintain the level?
.



After it got to 68 I extinguished two
of them. An hour later it was still 68.
The outdoor temp has to be stable,
the more the furnace runs the more
the room temp changes.

It's actually warmer in the room when
it's zero outside because the furnace
runs more.
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February 18th, 2019 at 12:09:32 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

There was a story years ago where a
guy ate a ton of chili for dinner, passed
out drunk in his small airtight bedroom,
and died form the methane farts that had
no way to escape. Urban legend or true,
good story.

I used to let my dog sleep at the foot of my bed. But one morning I woke up with heart burn so bad, I was concerned I had something medically wrong with my stomach. Then I realized I had been breathing dog farts all night, and my stomach gas smelled and tasted like dog pooh. He didn't sleep in the bedroom anymore.
I loved him, but at times he was gassy.
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February 18th, 2019 at 12:29:45 PM permalink
The band 3 Dog Night got it's name when the girlfriend of one of the member's read a magazine article about indigenous Australians, in which it was explained that on cold nights they would customarily sleep in a hole in the ground while embracing a dingo, i.e., a feral dog. On colder nights they would sleep with two dogs and, if the night were freezing, it was a "three dog night".
There must be some equation for converting: 1 dog = X candles = Y BTU
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February 18th, 2019 at 7:41:48 PM permalink
I put a meat thermometer 6" above 4
candles and it was 250 degrees, 18"
above, 125 degrees. That's some
awesome heat. Even at 18" I can't
hold my hand there for long.
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February 18th, 2019 at 7:47:30 PM permalink
Is this what we all have to look forward to in retirement? What's next? Putting liquid paper on a bee?
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February 18th, 2019 at 8:34:59 PM permalink
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Is this what we all have to look forward to in retirement?



You fought retired people don't like to
be warm when it's five degrees above
zero outside?
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February 18th, 2019 at 9:24:00 PM permalink
I'm more afraid of the candle wax winding up in my lungs than cigarette smoke.
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February 19th, 2019 at 4:53:14 AM permalink
Evenbob,You should put in more hours at the roulette tables, then you could afford to keep your thermostat set to a more comfortable level.
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February 19th, 2019 at 11:49:04 PM permalink
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Evenbob,You should put in more hours at the roulette tables, then you could afford to keep your thermostat set to a more comfortable level.



Not worth it. I only live in two rooms,
my small office and small bedroom.
Which I heat with space heaters or
candles to get it to 68.

63 is a fine temp for walking around
in.
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February 19th, 2019 at 11:50:49 PM permalink
A fun fact. It takes about 10 gallons of
packed snow to get one gallon of
water. This is why eating snow to
remain hydrated is not a good idea.
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February 20th, 2019 at 12:29:11 AM permalink
Quote: TumblingBones

I remember reading a story maybe 10 or so years ago about an architect who built his house to be as thermally efficient as possible. As I recall, the goal was to get as close to zero heat transfer in or out when all windows and doors were shut. He claimed that in the winter, if the house was too cold, all he had to do to warm it up was toss a ball for his dog to chase. Excess canine body heat did the rest.



That architect is full of you know what. If he did ever design a house that got to zero heat transfer in or out, it would never be cold. The house would be a inferno heat trap. All the heat from lightbulbs, microwaves, refrigerators TVs & computer could never escape and would just build up inside the house. The fact that his house is freezing on a winter day shows his house is leaking heat left and right.
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February 20th, 2019 at 12:37:28 AM permalink
Quote: TumblingBones

The band 3 Dog Night got it's name when the girlfriend of one of the member's read a magazine article about indigenous Australians, in which it was explained that on cold nights they would customarily sleep in a hole in the ground while embracing a dingo, i.e., a feral dog. On colder nights they would sleep with two dogs and, if the night were freezing, it was a "three dog night".
There must be some equation for converting: 1 dog = X candles = Y BTU



ASHRAE lists the standard sensible heat gain of a sedentary human at 215btu/hr. Assuming dogs body temp is close to a humans I would just adjust the % for how many pounds the dog weighs.
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February 20th, 2019 at 3:45:36 AM permalink
I like this thread. It’s about time EB gets his own “corner.”
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March 4th, 2019 at 7:14:11 PM permalink
Thought I'd use my 20,000th post for
history of toilet paper. It was invented
by the Chinese in 600ad. By the 13th century
ten million packages of 1,000 to 10,000
sheets of toilet paper were manufactured
annually.

People in Europe weren't so lucky.

"Wealthy people wiped themselves with wool, lace or hemp, while less wealthy people used their hand when defecating into rivers, or cleaned themselves with various materials such as rags, wood shavings, leaves, grass, hay, stones, sand, moss, water, snow, ferns, plant husks, fruit skins, seashells, or corncobs, depending upon the country"

Sand seashells or corncobs? Wood shavings?
No wonder people were constipated, they
were terrified of the outhouse, chamber
of torture.
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March 4th, 2019 at 7:49:33 PM permalink
Fun fact: Reno Nevada is further west than SAN Diego.

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March 4th, 2019 at 8:00:41 PM permalink
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March 5th, 2019 at 4:37:52 AM permalink
Quote: vegas

Fun fact: Reno Nevada is further west than SAN Diego.



Maine is the closest state to Africa.

Quote: vegas

Celery has negative calories. It takes more calories to eat celery than there is in it to begin with.



This forum is full of negative expectation facts. And here is another.
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March 5th, 2019 at 5:37:48 AM permalink
Two popes -- John Paul II and Francis are/were Honorary Harlem Globetrotters.

The Harlem Globetrotters appear as guest stars in 3 separate episodes of Scooby-Doo, the most appearances by any guest stars.
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March 5th, 2019 at 5:58:34 AM permalink
The most easterly state is Alaska
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March 5th, 2019 at 6:11:32 AM permalink
Add up the numbers on a roulette wheel and it comes to 666. Even the ones with double zeroes.
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March 5th, 2019 at 8:31:16 AM permalink
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Add up the numbers on a roulette wheel and it comes to 666. Even the ones with double zeroes.



What about the new TRIPLE zero wheels?!?!?

Checkmate, atheists....
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March 5th, 2019 at 9:30:28 AM permalink
Quote: vegas



Celery has negative calories. It takes more calories to eat celery than there is in it to begin with.

What if you dip it in ranch dressing, because that's the only way I would ever eat it.

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March 5th, 2019 at 9:38:27 AM permalink
The can opener was invented 50 years after the invention of canned food
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March 5th, 2019 at 10:14:38 AM permalink
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The can opener was invented 50 years after the invention of canned food



I think this had to do with the fact that the first large scale recipients of canned food were armies, who had sharp tools easily accessible to them at all times, and "inventing" a new tool to open cans was almost seen as pointless. When canned food became more mainstream for home use, that's when people started coming up with safer, better tools to open cans with.
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March 5th, 2019 at 10:19:14 AM permalink
What would be the point of inventing a can opener before it was needed?
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March 5th, 2019 at 10:21:06 AM permalink
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March 5th, 2019 at 10:35:54 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

The can opener was invented 50 years after the invention of canned food



So they had to open 50 years worth
of cans that had baffled them up till
then? Obviously they some kind of
can opener, duh.
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March 5th, 2019 at 10:44:18 AM permalink
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Betty White is older than sliced bread.



When Kirk Douglas was born, an average house cost $5,000, a car cost $400, hamburgers hadn't been invented, average wage was 22 cents/hour, only 8% of homes had a telephone, there were less than 2 billion people in the world, 6% of Americans had a high school diploma, a loaf of bread was 7 cents, and the average speed limit was 10 m.p.h.
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March 5th, 2019 at 10:49:34 AM permalink
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When Kirk Douglas was born, an average house cost $5,000,



Nationwide, maybe. But you could get a beautiful
Sears home built for around $1000. These homes
were so solid and so well built they go for a
fortune today, much sought after.


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March 5th, 2019 at 11:06:37 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Nationwide, maybe. But you could get a beautiful
Sears home built for around $1000. These homes
were so solid and so well built they go for a
fortune today, much sought after.



Sears provides the MATERIALS for $1000. You still have to provide "labor, brick, cement, and plaster" as per the ad, which would run you an additional $1475 in this instance.

That totals over $60,000 in today's dollars.

The $5,000 I quoted, in 1917, would be almost $100,000 in today's dollars.
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March 5th, 2019 at 11:13:42 AM permalink
Quote: TigerWu

Sears provides the MATERIALS for $1000.



My point was, you could get a big
new home for far less than $5000
in 1917.
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March 5th, 2019 at 12:14:42 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

The can opener was invented 50 years after the invention of canned food



So all that food was stuck in the cans for 50 years. Imagine wanting your chef boy ar dee raviolis and you can’t.
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March 5th, 2019 at 12:48:09 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

My point was, you could get a big
new home for far less than $5000
in 1917.



Yes, we know... that is already implied in my statement "an average house cost $5,000."
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March 5th, 2019 at 12:53:10 PM permalink
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So all that food was stuck in the cans for 50 years. Imagine wanting your chef boy ar dee raviolis and you can’t.



The can opener was a chisel and
hammer until the cans became
thinner and others could be
invented. They found cans of
food that went down on a ship
in Lake MI that went down in
the 1860's. 125 years later the
food was still safe to eat.
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March 5th, 2019 at 1:12:26 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

So they had to open 50 years worth
of cans that had baffled them up till
then? Obviously they some kind of
can opener, duh.



It was primarily for in the field army rations overseas

It was expected a soldier would know how to open it with his bayonet

A soldier who couldn't open it was out of luck
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