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EvenBob
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October 26th, 2010 at 8:42:53 PM permalink
I was talking to a floor supervisor in the casino tonight. He's from Vegas and has been working in casinos for over 30 years. He's working here because they made him an offer he couldn't refuse. We were talking about cheating dealers and he said his casino had none because they had zero Asian dealers. I said 'huh'? And he said nationwide, over 80% of casino dealers caught cheating are of Asian decent. They come under lots of pressure from their families to cheat when they become dealers, apparently. Its almost always a situation where they payout more money than they have coming to a family member when they buy in or color up. He said in Vegas, Asian dealers are under three times the scrutiny from the pit and the eye, than are other dealers. In other words, they are profiled by the industry.

Is this true? Can anybody verify it?
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Paigowdan
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October 26th, 2010 at 8:51:59 PM permalink
Simply not true, and it cannot be verified.
Every dealer is profiled the same way by surveillance, unless specific suspicion was presented to surveillance to watch certain dealers.
I heard the same thing about Mexican/Hispanic dealers, black dealers, white dealers, nine-year old Hindu-boy dealers, etc.

It's Bullshit, invoked from the speaker's own racism.

Even if the dealer is under financial stress, that is an inducement to keep the paying job through good works, and reduce spending.

The only real factor that induces dealers to steal is when a drug or gambling addiction takes a strong hold of them, then they turn into different people, ethically, and in terms of responsibility.
That we've seen.
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mkl654321
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October 26th, 2010 at 8:55:13 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

I was talking to a floor supervisor in the casino tonight. He's from Vegas and has been working in casinos for over 30 years. He's working here because they made him an offer he couldn't refuse. We were talking about cheating dealers and he said his casino had none because they had zero Asian dealers. I said 'huh'? And he said nationwide, over 80% of casino dealers caught cheating are of Asian decent. They come under lots of pressure from their families to cheat when they become dealers, apparently. Its almost always a situation where they payout more money than they have coming to a family member when they buy in or color up. He said in Vegas, Asian dealers are under three times the scrutiny from the pit and the eye, than are other dealers. In other words, they are profiled by the industry.

Is this true? Can anybody verify it?



Let's put aside any wee bitty possibility that either your question itself, or that floor supervisor's comment, may have been motivated by racist sentiment.

Poker-based casinos in California (most of which have many table games as well) have a MAJORITY of Asian dealers, especially in Southern California. That's because many of the table games are pai gow dominoes, or pai gow poker. I doubt that a) either the owners are ignorant of this supposed wave of Asian cheating or b) they know about it, but hire those dealers anyway.

In Vegas, I see about the proportion of Asian dealers that I would expect from a representative sampling of the population, and if there were an actual tendency such as your floorman friend describes, somehow I think that several decades of casinos' experience would have uncovered it. And if they had uncovered such a tendency, there wouldn't be any Asian dealers.

In any case, that floorman's assertion that he didn't have any cheating dealers because none of them were Asian shows equal parts stupidity, bigotry, and ignorance. I should go work for that place and steal them blind--I'd never get caught, because I'm not Asian, and therefore, couldn't possibly cheat. If anything deserves an EvenBobesque "LOL", that does.
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JerryLogan
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October 26th, 2010 at 9:09:09 PM permalink
Just see how the know-it-all BS just f-l-o-w-s from this clown....
EvenBob
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October 26th, 2010 at 9:37:31 PM permalink
Simply not true, and it cannot be verified.>>>

So cheating dealers are exactly equal to the population racially? I find that hard to believe. For instance, Blacks make up 13% of the population, but nationawide they make up 50% of prison populations. I could care less why this is true, but it is. The floor supervisor was telling me Asians make up the majority of cheating dealers, why should I doubt him?
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mkl654321
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October 26th, 2010 at 9:54:51 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Simply not true, and it cannot be verified.>>>

So cheating dealers are exactly equal to the population racially? I find that hard to believe. For instance, Blacks make up 13% of the population, but nationawide they make up 50% of prison populations. I could care less why this is true, but it is. The floor supervisor was telling me Asians make up the majority of cheating dealers, why should I doubt him?



Why should you believe him, given that, as you say, he hasn't actually encountered any Asian dealers in his role as supervisor? Why should you doubt him? Because his claim is extremely implausible. A group that represents less than one in twenty citizens overall somehow comprises the MAJORITY of cheating dealers? Doesn't that sound a wee bit farfetched to you? Or are you giving that assertion a free pass (unwarranted credibility) because you're racist, and you therefore support racist points of view?

I think that given that people of Asian descent make up slightly less than 5% of the population, any assertion that they "make up the majority of cheating dealers" would be suspect for that reason alone. If there is no correlation between ethnicity and propensity to cheat (which I suspect is true), then Asians would, all other things being equal, be represented proportionally in the general population of "cheating dealers": a little less than one in twenty.

The data on black prison populations isn't relevant unless you can provide us with figures on how many of those incarcerated blacks are in prison because of being convicted of cheating while working for a casino.
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October 26th, 2010 at 10:07:25 PM permalink
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The floor supervisor was telling me Asians make up the majority of cheating dealers, why should I doubt him?



I think you should doubt it simply because it was a very general statement the supervisor made with absolutely no backing by facts. It is entirely possibly that person's view on it was created when the last 5 dealers they busted were all asian.


It seems highly unlikely that you would find published statistics proving the supervisors statements. Someone would need a reason to create such a list. I don't know why casinos would advertise how many cheating dealers they fired. I don't know why something like the state of Nevada would advertise how many cheating dealers were prosecuted. I guess you could always go through court records assuming casinos do prosecute cheating dealers.
EvenBob
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October 26th, 2010 at 10:11:07 PM permalink
Quote: soulhunt79

I think you should doubt it simply because it was a very general statement the supervisor made with absolutely no backing by facts. It is entirely possibly that person's view on it was created when the last 5 dealers they busted were all asian.


It seems highly unlikely that you would find published statistics proving the supervisors statements. Someone would need a reason to create such a list. I don't know why casinos would advertise how many cheating dealers they fired. I don't know why something like the state of Nevada would advertise how many cheating dealers were prosecuted. I guess you could always go through court records assuming casinos do prosecute cheating dealers.



He was talking from his personal experience in the industry. So far all I've heard is opinion here. Why would the guy lie? He was very convincing and credible, and he seemed to know his subject very well.
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soulhunt79
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October 26th, 2010 at 10:40:22 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

He was talking from his personal experience in the industry. So far all I've heard is opinion here. Why would the guy lie? He was very convincing and credible, and he seemed to know his subject very well.



I wasn't there to listen to how he said it and I'm assuming you didn't have a complete transcript of what he said. From my point of view all of what the person told you was opinion.

I don't think the guy was lying to you. That assumes he knew something and he was telling you something opposite. I have very little doubt that he believes what he told you.


You can believe what you want. The part that I doubt the most is "They come under lots of pressure from their families to cheat when they become dealers, apparently.". Why would this just affect asian families? Why would being asian affect this at all? The simple fact that I have questions on the comments he made means I have at least some doubt.
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October 26th, 2010 at 10:40:32 PM permalink
This may be just an inflamitory thread without any real basis in true gambling.
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