Eleven days.
Twelve people killed in another shooting. Fourth mass shooting in four weeks.
Unlike most shooters, this one had combat training.
Carry on.
Quote: MaxPenIf more people were armed in public these incidents wouldn't be so deadly.
What is that based?
Your imagination?
Quote: darkozWhat is that based?
Your imagination?
Armed and trained individuals arrived on the scene. They went after the shooter. One of them died. They very likely kept the shooter from further killings and he went into an office and ended his life (according to current reports). Had they not started shooting at him, he would have been able to keep firing at the unarmed people in the building.
It seems to me that his intent was to die during or after killing people. He was too much of a pussy to die alone or we would likely have never heard of him.
He brought dishonor to his service with his actions. PTSD is horrible, but it is not an excuse for violent actions like this. It doesn't leave you unable to know what is right or wrong. The act of taking a weapon and planning an action like this aren't "instant" or "spontaneous"--they are planned and calculated.
He died a murderer. We should never utter his name.
I favor there being more armed and trained people around. The other side of this is that armed people and alcohol use do not go together.
Quote: darkozWhat is that based?
Your imagination?
Perhaps it's critical thinking after reviewing the facts.
Fact: 95% of these types of shootings happen in gun free zones. billryan will be along shortly to call me a liar again because... reasons, but soft targets are easy targets. I will point out that an alcohol serving bar, such as the one where this took place, is just such a gun free zone, unless you want to argue that Kommiefornia is somehow a bastion of gun rights that allows guns in bars despite it being illegal pretty much nationwide.
Fact: It is estimated that 500,000 to 3,000,000 defensive uses of firearms occur every single year, the wide difference being both what one considers "defensive use", as well as a margin of error, which you will have when you survey but 4 states and try to extrapolate over 50.
Fact: You hear of the mass shooting where citizens rose up with weapons and the shooter still got his mass? When citizens are armed and someone tries duck hunting, you get stories like the dad in McDonalds, the good ol boy at church, or the old man at the internet café.
This all of course does not mean definitively that Max is correct. But his determination comes from something a lot thicker than imagination.
Quote: darkozWhat is that based?
Your imagination?
You keep imagining the police are there to protect you. Much less, available when you need them. Also, good luck stopping a trained armed individual from further killing with safe space thoughts.
Quote: FacePerhaps it's critical thinking after reviewing the facts.
Fact: 95% of these types of shootings happen in gun free zones. billryan will be along shortly to call me a liar again because... reasons, but soft targets are easy targets. I will point out that an alcohol serving bar, such as the one where this took place, is just such a gun free zone, unless you want to argue that Kommiefornia is somehow a bastion of gun rights that allows guns in bars despite it being illegal pretty much nationwide.
Fact: It is estimated that 500,000 to 3,000,000 defensive uses of firearms occur every single year, the wide difference being both what one considers "defensive use", as well as a margin of error, which you will have when you survey but 4 states and try to extrapolate over 50.
Fact: You hear of the mass shooting where citizens rose up with weapons and the shooter still got his mass? When citizens are armed and someone tries duck hunting, you get stories like the dad in McDonalds, the good ol boy at church, or the old man at the internet café.
This all of course does not mean definitively that Max is correct. But his determination comes from something a lot thicker than imagination.
The argument isnt that more people armed will allow them to protect themselves in these situations
The argument is that more people armed will result in more mass shootings and more gun violence
Btw, the gunman here like in many instances purchased the gun legally
Legalization of gun purchases does not seem to be stopping gun violence
One can only wonder at how many fistfights in bars would have ended up in shootouts if they had all been armed like MaxPen suggests
Quote: darkozThe argument isnt that more people armed will allow them to protect themselves in these situations
The argument is that more people armed will result in more mass shootings and more gun violence
Btw, the gunman here like in many instances purchased the gun legally
Legalization of gun purchases does not seem to be stopping gun violence
One can only wonder at how many fistfights in bars would have ended up in shootouts if they had all been armed like MaxPen suggests
An armed society is a polite society for the most part. Puts everyone on a level playing field. I would bet that this guy was on SSRI's for sure. The VA loves prescribing them. Some serious study needs to be done regarding their usage. This was a guy who was to much of a coward to die alone.
Quote: FacePerhaps it's critical thinking after reviewing the facts.
Fact: 95% of these types of shootings happen in gun free zones. billryan will be along shortly to call me a liar again because... reasons, but soft targets are easy targets. I will point out that an alcohol serving bar, such as the one where this took place, is just such a gun free zone, unless you want to argue that Kommiefornia is somehow a bastion of gun rights that allows guns in bars despite it being illegal pretty much nationwide.
Fact: It is estimated that 500,000 to 3,000,000 defensive uses of firearms occur every single year, the wide difference being both what one considers "defensive use", as well as a margin of error, which you will have when you survey but 4 states and try to extrapolate over 50.
Fact: You hear of the mass shooting where citizens rose up with weapons and the shooter still got his mass? When citizens are armed and someone tries duck hunting, you get stories like the dad in McDonalds, the good ol boy at church, or the old man at the internet café.
This all of course does not mean definitively that Max is correct. But his determination comes from something a lot thicker than imagination.
500,000 to 3,000,000 a year, eh?
That's up to ten thousand a day no?
How about posting ten from any given day. Surely one thousandth of such deeds gets reported.
Those statistics indicate there are multiple cases of defensive gun use for each crime committed with a gun. 1 Most studies put the number of gun crimes at about 300,000 per. So, either there are multiple defensive gun uses for every gun crime or something is wrong.
Your numbers are off, again.
Quote: MaxPenAn armed society is a polite society for the most part. Puts everyone on a level playing field. I would bet that this guy was on SSRI's for sure. The VA loves prescribing them. Some serious study needs to be done regarding their usage. This was a guy who was to much of a coward to die alone.
Yes the wild west is known mostly for being polite society
Quote: billryan500,000 to 3,000,000 a year, eh?
That's up to ten thousand a day no?
How about posting ten from any given day. Surely one thousandth of such deeds gets reported.
Those statistics indicate there are multiple cases of defensive gun use for each crime committed with a gun.
Your numbers are off, again.
I've said all along, I'm biased as one could be but I'm not trying to steer anyone wrong. Further, engaging in "soft facts", I feel, only serves to weaken my own argument. I don't need to, it stands just fine on its own, so I try not to get too petty and joust-y.
So c'mon, billr. Gimme a fair shake.
I don't really like this stat, as it is aged. It's still in the "modern era", but I think it's nearly 10yrs old. And as I said, it wasn't a comprehensive nationwide survey; I think it only covered 4 states and then extrapolated based on those results. That leaves a lot of room for error. Like, a lot.
But the numbers are such that it is fair to say that defensive use by any measure far outweighs offensive. And it's that point that's trying to be scored when debating whether guns are a problem or a solution.
If you think the numbers are off, prove it. Just don't credit me with supplying them; I got them from the CDC.
Naw, you just park yourself in a multi-story building and shoot people on busy sidewalk.
Probably could come up with 100 more alternatives.
You post numbers for us all to accept and only when questioned do you admit they might be off by ,in your words- a lot. Generally people don't post something as a fact, only to say it may be off by a lot.
So much for honest debate.
Quote: rxwineShootings will be harder if people are armed?
Naw, you just park yourself in a multi-story building and shoot people on busy sidewalk.
Probably could come up with 100 more alternatives.
I agree. If everyone was armed the person would know not to walk into a bar because everyone has a gun. However he could and would do something like the vegas shooting.
SSRIs? Maybe.
There comes a time to put someone down.
Quote: GWAEI agree. If everyone was armed the person would know not to walk into a bar because everyone has a gun. However he could and would do something like the vegas shooting.
Picture the wonderful results that would have resulted had some five percent of the Vegas crowd been armed. Imagine being a first responder and arriving at a mass casualty shooting and you find a hundred "good guys with a gun" running around.
If more people are armed people will find better ways to shoot
If no one is armed then crazy people will use bombs and cars.
Sadly this is the world we live in now. If anything I blame the media. If they didn't publicize the other shootings like vegas or pittsburgh 2 weeks ago then these sociopaths may just kill themselves instead of getting the media attention.
Quote: GWAEArguing about control is as pointless as arguing about politics.
If more people are armed people will find better ways to shoot
If no one is armed then crazy people will use bombs and cars.
Sadly this is the world we live in now. If anything I blame the media. If they didn't publicize the other shootings like vegas or pittsburgh 2 weeks ago then these sociopaths may just kill themselves instead of getting the media attention.
What is the alternative? Don't report on these shootings? How does a press blackout on a mass shooting that hundreds of thousands of people heard do any good?
Should we just bury the eleven people killed by a madman and pretend their deaths don't matter? Blaming the media for this? Really? What's next? Are you going to start chanting "Lock her up" on cue?
Quote: billryanUnless you think that there are ten defensive uses of a gun( however you wish to define that) for every one crime committed in the US, your stats are already proved wrong.
Umm...yeah? Is that stat hard to believe? You do know that defensive use includes actions such as brandishing, and doesn't mean shots were fired, right? 5-0 arrests some 10,000,000 people every year. While many or even a majority may be non-confrontational, you don't think there's a whole lot of defensive use of weapons there? And if 900,000 LEO's are involved in 10,000,000 confrontations, is it such a stretch to imagine 130,000,000 gun owning Americans might have 500,000 to 3,000,000?
That seems perfectly reasonable. Though I must point out that my feelings prove nothing and what I think doesn't matter. All that matters is the facts, which the CDC provided.
Quote: billryanYou post numbers for us all to accept and only when questioned do you admit they might be off by ,in your words- a lot. Generally people don't post something as a fact, only to say it may be off by a lot.
So much for honest debate.
I post the numbers that are available, and from a reputable source. I go on to do further research to fully understand the information presented and spoon feed it to you so you have the full picture, as opposed to a shaded, slanted-in-my-favor view, which I felt it would be if I just stated "CDC says 3mm". That's the very definition of honesty, and you are welcome to it.
2. I’ll grant that sometimes lives can be saved in situations if there were more people with guns. However, if there is uncertainty on who the shooter is, and there’s a bunch of people with guns out running around looking for a shooter, they’re going to start shooting each other potentially.
Quote: MaxPenIf more people were armed in public these incidents wouldn't be so deadly.
This was at a bar.
It is illegal pretty much everywhere to CC and consume alcohol.
Do you disagree with those laws?
I am not blaming the media, however, you can't tell me the media doesn't amplify the problem significantly. We should only allow very limited reporting and give the shooters as little attention as possible. Don't use the shooters names and photos unless they are actively looking for the shooter, just use a case number or whatever. Quit making movies and TV specials about these people.Quote: billryanWhat is the alternative? Don't report on these shootings? How does a press blackout on a mass shooting that hundreds of thousands of people heard do any good?
Should we just bury the eleven people killed by a madman and pretend their deaths don't matter? Blaming the media for this? Really? What's next? Are you going to start chanting "Lock her up" on cue?
Quote: billryan
Should we just bury the eleven people killed by a madman and pretend their deaths don't matter?
The fact is that those eleven lives really don't matter more than the other 150,000 lives lost yesterday.
Quote: AxelWolfI am not blaming the media, however, you can't tell me the media doesn't amplify the problem significantly. We should only allow very limited reporting and give the shooters as little attention as possible. Don't use the shooters names and photos unless they are actively looking for the shooter, just use a case number or whatever. Quit making movies and TV specials about these people.
Fighting for freedom to purchase guns
Just not freedom of speech
Quote: darkozFighting for freedom to purchase guns
Just not freedom of speech
if words and ratings are more important than coming up with a solution then I don't know what else to say.
Quote: GWAEif words and ratings are more important than coming up with a solution then I don't know what else to say.
Too bad you don't have the prez's ear, eh? You'd think one of the Kelly's might tell him that.
Quote: GWAEif words and ratings are more important than coming up with a solution then I don't know what else to say.
I think the argument
Gun violence in America can be solved by limiting the freedom of the press to report on gun violence
Is definitely a new and strange angle
Quote: darkozI think the argument
Gun violence in America can be solved by limiting the freedom of the press to report on gun violence
Is definitely a new and strange angle
I am not saying anyone should be limited. I think networks should ban together and do the right thing and not publicize it.
Or maybe as axel said, report it but keep the name and pic of shooter hidden.
Quote: darkozI think the argument
Gun violence in America can be solved by limiting the freedom of the press to report on gun violence
Is definitely a new and strange angle
It is absolutely NOT a “new” angle.
Reporting on these things normalizes the actions, as it’s seen as something that happens everyday. I remember when the Columbine shooting happened. Maybe because I was young, but I don’t remember there being any kind of publicity about any other mass shootings before or shortly after, at least certainly not as frequently as they happen today. What changed? I’m not a gun stat expert, but I have a feeling America didn’t go from “few guns” to “a bunch of guns” overnight.
Not only do mass shootings start to get more normalized with reporting on them, but I think the people who do it also view it as almost martyrdom. That doesn’t happen if you report it as “Unnamed s***-bag <who’s dead or in jail> .....”
The media soaks this stuff up. People soak up the media, even more so now with the internet and social media — everything is both at your fingertips and oversensationalised.
The problem isn’t with guns, it’s never been about guns. It’s about people who want to harm others either because they are pure evil and/or they are hurting and seek revenge. Fix that.
Quote: RS
The problem isn’t with guns, it’s never been about guns. It’s about people who want to harm others either because they are pure evil and/or they are hurting and seek revenge. Fix that.
Nope it is about guns. Hard to get a car in a bar to run people over. If I try to stab a person, it doesn't accidently kill a kid in a park across the street. If I am cleaning my knife, it's hard for it to go through the wall and hit a person in the next room. I can't hide behind objects and kill multiple people with anything but the maybe staying in the car.
Nothing more portable than the knife, but I actually have to chase people to kill several whereas a gun can just shoot them as they try to run away. The others need to be close up to kill, whereas a gun can kill people at a concert almost a half mile away. A gun has little useful second purposes for most except on rare occasions.
Quote: gamerfreakThis was at a bar.
It is illegal pretty much everywhere to CC and consume alcohol.
Do you disagree with those laws?
Even Nevada, an open carry capital, forbids you carrying a gun if your BAC is 0.1 or greater. You can legally fire a gun more drunk than driving a car there. How screwed up is that?
Quote: rxwineNope it is about guns. Hard to get a car in a bar to run people over. If I try to stab a person, it doesn't accidently kill a kid in a park across the street. If I am cleaning my knife, it's hard for it to go through the wall and hit a person in the next room. I can't hide behind objects and kill multiple people with anything but the maybe staying in the car.
Nothing more portable than the knife, but I actually have to chase people to kill several whereas a gun can just shoot them as they try to run away. The others need to be close up to kill, whereas a gun can kill people at a concert almost a half mile away. A gun has little useful second purposes for most except on rare occasions.
It sounds like we agree on the problem but you’re refusing to accept it.
What do all those have in common? People wanting to kill people. Even if you could remove all guns from the population, that’s not going to solve a damn thing because some people’s desire to kill others will remain.
They are free. That is both a right and a responsibility.
Quote: NathanThis is out of control. You truly aren't safe anywhere anymore. If a previously safe bar(A college student who actually was a frequent bar goer mentioned how it shook her up "This bar was my safe place. I can't believe a mass shooting happened in my safe place. Where can I feel safe now?" Gave me chills) can get a mass shooter, what else is safe?
I can't think of any places where these tragedies occur that wasn't thought to be a "safe place" before the incident.
Sadly, gun-free zones are supposed to be safe but a law in place and putting up a sign does nothing to stop a someone intent on breaking the law.
Safe place? I guess you are more likely to be safe away from people than in large groups where a maniac can reek the maximum amount of havoc. Sounds good...but there were people just pumping gas in Maryland and Virginia a few years back that weren't in groups and they were not as safe as they thought.
I feel pretty safe in my deer stand. No one can get close to it without me seeing them, save a properly attired military sniper sneaking in, there is no shot available from a position that I cannot see, it is in the middle of nowhere, and I am locked and loaded.
We will soon have the ability to fabricate a plastic gun on a 3-D printer. This capability exists now and it will proliferate -it is inevitable. We will not need to purchase guns.
What are you going to do - require a background check to buy a 3-D printer?
Quote: gordonm888This argument is so "10 years ago."
We will soon have the ability to fabricate a plastic gun on a 3-D printer. This capability exists now and it will proliferate -it is inevitable. We will not need to purchase guns.
What are you going to do - require a background check to buy a 3-D printer?
The reason I don't print money, I don't want to go to jail. I enjoy life outside of jail
Print a gun, life sentence
Problem solved :-)
Quote: NathanThis is out of control. You truly aren't safe anywhere anymore. If a previously safe bar(A college student who actually was a frequent bar goer mentioned how it shook her up "This bar was my safe place. I can't believe a mass shooting happened in my safe place. Where can I feel safe now?" Gave me chills) can get a mass shooter, what else is safe?
Whatever place you were at yesterday is just as safe tomorrow as it was then. You can use smart judgement and go on with life or you can live in fear.
Quote: terapinedThe reason I don't print money, I don't want to go to jail. I enjoy life outside of jail
Print a gun, life sentence
Problem solved :-)
We're just one law away from utopia.
Quote: RogerKintWe're just one law away from utopia.
Seems like all we have to do to not be the only country in the world to regularly have these incidents is to eliminate evil and curtail the press.
How did the rest of the world eliminate evil?
Quote: darkozThe argument isnt that more people armed will allow them to protect themselves in these situations
The argument is that more people armed will result in more mass shootings and more gun violence
Btw, the gunman here like in many instances purchased the gun legally
Legalization of gun purchases does not seem to be stopping gun violence
One can only wonder at how many fistfights in bars would have ended up in shootouts if they had all been armed like MaxPen suggests
This has proven to not be the case lol.
Quote: troopscottThis has proven to not be the case lol.
We are the most armed country on the planet
And
We are one of the most dangerous countries on the planet
You are a lawfully permitted gun carrying patron in a nightclub. You hear shooting from the other side of the bar. You draw your gun and move to the sound of the gunfire, just like in the movies. You observe a man walking across the dance floor armed with a gun. Do you shoot him? Is he the bad guy or a fellow good guy?
Is someone drawing a bead to your back, wondering the same question. You notice three more people with guns out. Are you outnumbered four to one and need to retreat? Or is now the chance to gun down all three before they see you?
As I mentioned, I personally knew two men, one a NYPD cop and one a Federal Agent who were killed during a Good Guy with a gun situation in the last few years.
Going back about twenty years, a black acquaintance was shot by a fellow NYPD Officer while making an arrest, despite his badge being around his neck and him wearing the color of the day and the fact that the shooter was told that there were undercover officers working the platform. Luckily the cops aim was as bad as his judgement and he survived.
There are too many stupid gun owners as it is. And the amount of complaceny in the gun community is sickening.
You don’t have to search very hard to find headlines like these:
22-year-old Chuck E. Cheese's patron accidentally shoots self in leg, gets restaurant evacuated
It would be nice if the NRA fulfilled their original purpose of gun safety education, but now they are just partisan hacks, an arm of the Republican Party.
Even if there was a mass shooting every single week, the deaths would still pale in comparison to the 33,000 deaths and 73,000 injuries from the negligent handeling of firearms each year
One thing is clear in those statistics, the average gun owner has no business carrying their firearm in public places. I am not arguing against anyone’s right to do safely, but I sure as hell don’t want more bad gun owners getting CC permits.
Edit: my statistics were wrong
Another weird part of the gun community is now trigger happy so many gun nuts are. They literally fantasize about situations where they might get to shoot someone, playing out very specific scenarios in their head. Just ask most anyone that carries on a daily basis why they prefer having a .45 as opposed to a 9mm on their hip. Ask why they carry a semi-automatic pistol rather than a revolver. You will see how much detailed thought they’ve put into killing people.
Again, you don’t have to search very hard to find headlines that prove this point exactly:
Michigan man found guilty of shooting at teen who asked for directions
It’s the “I wish a Mother F%$&@ Would” mentality that has become a joke in online gun circles.
The reason I bring this up - I’m a first responder and one night we got a call around 3:30 AM for a cardiac arrest. When we arrived at the house, no one was answering the door. So I broke a window to get into the house. It wasn’t long before I realized that DISPATCH HAD GIVEN US THE COMPLETLY WRONG ADDRESS!!!
Fortunately, no one was home in the house I broke in to. But would I be alive today if this was AZDuffman’s, RonC’s , or MaxPen’s House? Or 99% of gun owners really?
Quote: gamerfreakYou don’t have to search very hard to find headlines like these:
22-year-old Chuck E. Cheese's patron accidentally shoots self in leg, gets restaurant evacuated
Have you ever eaten the pizza at a Chuck E. Cheese?
He was doing everyone a favor!!
Quote: ams288Quote: gamerfreakYou don’t have to search very hard to find headlines like these:
22-year-old Chuck E. Cheese's patron accidentally shoots self in leg, gets restaurant evacuated
Have you ever eaten the pizza at a Chuck E. Cheese?
He was doing everyone a favor!!
Have you been there in the last year? They changed their pizza last year. Its edible now. Not great, but edible.
Quote: gamerfreakI lean left on several issues, but 2A rights are not one of them. However the argument that arming every man, woman, and child in the US would make us safer is ludacris.
There are too many stupid gun owners as it is. And the amount of complaceny in the gun community is sickening.
You don’t have to search very hard to find headlines like these:
22-year-old Chuck E. Cheese's patron accidentally shoots self in leg, gets restaurant evacuated
It would be nice if the NRA fulfilled their original purpose of gun safety education, but now they are just partisan hacks, an arm of the Republican Party.
Even if there was a mass shooting every single week, the deaths would still pale in comparison to the 33,000 deaths and 73,000 injuries from the negligent handeling of firearms each year
One thing is clear in those statistics, the average gun owner has no business carrying their firearm in public places. I am not arguing against anyone’s right to do safely, but I sure as hell don’t want more bad gun owners getting CC permits.
Another weird part of the gun community is now trigger happy so many gun nuts are. They literally fantasize about situations where they might get to shoot someone, playing out very specific scenarios in their head. Just ask most anyone that carries on a daily basis why they prefer having a .45 as opposed to a 9mm on their hip. Ask why they carry a semi-automatic pistol rather than a revolver. You will see how much detailed thought they’ve put into killing people.
Again, you don’t have to search very hard to find headlines that prove this point exactly:
Michigan man found guilty of shooting at teen who asked for directions
It’s the “I wish a Mother F%$&@ Would” mentality that has become a joke in online gun circles.
The reason I bring this up - I’m a first responder and one night we got a call around 3:30 AM for a cardiac arrest. When we arrived at the house, no one was answering the door. So I broke a window to get into the house. It wasn’t long before I realized that DISPATCH HAD GIVEN US THE COMPLETLY WRONG ADDRESS!!!
Fortunately, no one was home in the house I broke in to. But would I be alive today if this was AZDuffman’s, RonC’s , or MaxPen’s House? Or 99% of gun owners really?
I think everyone fantasizes about different things. I think those who fantasize about, or rather, want to shoot/kill someone is in the minority, even for gun owners. It’s ond of those scenarios you play out in your head, just like any other scenario like I the WalMart dude asking for your receipt when you leave and saying “no” then he tries to detain you because he thinks you stole something but you’re not going to let some dude search you. Or that argument you had or may potentially have in the future with someone. Different people play out different scenarios in their head. I’ve never played out the scenario of me protecting my kids from a predator when out at the store because I don’t have kids, for instance.
Let’s say that was one of those people’s houses....would they still be alive if it wasn’t you who “broke in”? Idk what else to say about that, other than it’d be a s***ty situation for all involved and would hope no one would even be in that situation. I’d be absolutely livid with dispatch.
Quote: gamerfreakI lean left on several issues, but 2A rights are not one of them. However the argument that arming every man, woman, and child in the US would make us safer is ludacris.
There are too many stupid gun owners as it is. And the amount of complaceny in the gun community is sickening.
You don’t have to search very hard to find headlines like these:
22-year-old Chuck E. Cheese's patron accidentally shoots self in leg, gets restaurant evacuated
It would be nice if the NRA fulfilled their original purpose of gun safety education, but now they are just partisan hacks, an arm of the Republican Party.
Even if there was a mass shooting every single week, the deaths would still pale in comparison to the 33,000 deaths and 73,000 injuries from the negligent handeling of firearms each year
One thing is clear in those statistics, the average gun owner has no business carrying their firearm in public places. I am not arguing against anyone’s right to do safely, but I sure as hell don’t want more bad gun owners getting CC permits.
Another weird part of the gun community is now trigger happy so many gun nuts are. They literally fantasize about situations where they might get to shoot someone, playing out very specific scenarios in their head. Just ask most anyone that carries on a daily basis why they prefer having a .45 as opposed to a 9mm on their hip. Ask why they carry a semi-automatic pistol rather than a revolver. You will see how much detailed thought they’ve put into killing people.
Again, you don’t have to search very hard to find headlines that prove this point exactly:
Michigan man found guilty of shooting at teen who asked for directions
It’s the “I wish a Mother F%$&@ Would” mentality that has become a joke in online gun circles.
The reason I bring this up - I’m a first responder and one night we got a call around 3:30 AM for a cardiac arrest. When we arrived at the house, no one was answering the door. So I broke a window to get into the house. It wasn’t long before I realized that DISPATCH HAD GIVEN US THE COMPLETLY WRONG ADDRESS!!!
Fortunately, no one was home in the house I broke in to. But would I be alive today if this was AZDuffman’s, RonC’s , or MaxPen’s House? Or 99% of gun owners really?
As long as your head stayed out of the house you would be ok in my house😀
