Should Kavanaugh by required to take polygraph test during the up coming FBI investigation?

Quote: RonC

No one who is "for" Kavanaugh is "against" the USA any more than anyone who is against him.

It's debatable. He has displayed behavior that is inconsistent with the qualities and attributes we should demand from our SC justices. There are hundreds of other qualified candidates that have not lied to Congress, acted like a petulant child in the process, or have outed themselves as a political operative. It's not surprising he acted this way. Who do you think gave him his marching orders? His behavior was straight out of the Trump playbook.

And it's obvious some folks find that kind of thing appealing. Trump won the presidency. But I think giving that behavior a pass to the Supreme Court of the United States is wrong and dangerous.

So yeah, it's debatable.

It's probably the reason Kavanaugh wrote the op-ed. He realizes now how overly partisan and immature he came off.

When someone shows you who they are, believe them.

EDIT: The debate is whether or not putting your party before your country is AGAINST the country. I believe, in some cases, it is. Both parties have been guilty of it, for sure. Although, you know where I stand. Republicans have been doing a lot of it over the past ten years. They control all of government. It has definitely served them well.

Quote: Steverinos

It's debatable. He has displayed behavior that is inconsistent with the qualities and attributes we should demand from our SC justices. There are hundreds of other qualified candidates that have not lied to Congress, acted like a petulant child in the process, or have outed themselves as a political operative. It's not surprising he acted this way. Who do you think gave him his marching orders? His behavior was straight out of the Trump playbook.

And it's obvious some folks find that kind of thing appealing. Trump won the presidency. But I think giving that behavior a pass to the Supreme Court of the United States is wrong and dangerous.

So yeah, it's debatable.

It's probably the reason Kavanaugh wrote the op-ed. He realizes now how overly partisan and immature he came off.

When someone shows you who they are, believe them.

No, it isn't "debatable"; it is silly.

He has years of experience on the bench. Judges do go off in court every once in awhile. Not a word about that happening. He went off when he was accused of horrible crimes in front of the whole country--and his young kids. Perhaps he could have done better, but I have yet to hear anyone say that they would have been anything less than upset about having to go through something like that.

I'm sorry, he didn't create the problem. This all could have been handled months ago but my belief is that Senator Feinstein purposefully did not let it happen so that she had a ace in the hole to play at the right time. Then she has the nerve to talk about how he acted. Sorry, Senator, it doesn't work that way.

I am not saying nothing happened and I am not saying that anything did. None of us who were not there really know what may or may not have happened. We have to go on how we "feel" about things, which is way short of any form of proving "guilt" or culpability in our system. Does that mean you are not entitled to an opinion? Nope...we all can have those!!

Ginsberg isn't disqualified for saying who she didn't like as a candidate for President. Kavanaugh isn't disqualified or "against" the USA for standing up for himself.

If Kavanaugh doesn't get approved, there will be another conservative appointee forthcoming. Democrats have said that they can't vote for Kavanaugh because of the things he is accused of and some have gone as far as to say they would be able to vote for a nominee without that baggage.

Does anyone believe that? Does that make them "unAmerican"?

Silly.

Does anyone believe that? I don't know. Does anybody believe that watching the NFL on Sundays in 2018 is unAmerican?

You bet your ass they do.

Quote: Steverinos

That's what you do when you put country before party.

No need, he is good for the country. She is a RINO and putting "her" party first. She must want to be primaried again.

Mindless lefty lemmings being trained to protest

https://d6n6n9x6.ssl.hwcdn.net/media/videos/1/5/b/b/7/15bb7989cb2106.mp4


https://trendingviews.co/video/kavanaugh-protesters-on-camera-being-trained-on-what-to-say-3886.html

Dershowitz wonders why everybody on the
Left is screaming that the FBI didn't interview
Ford and Kavanaugh this week. He said they
never interview people who have given testimony
under oath, their job is to find evidence to back
up or disprove the testimony. They don't need
to hear Ford and Kavanaugh repeat what they
already said, or to try and trip them up in a
perjury trap.

People don't understand that the FBI investigates,
it doesn't judge or prosecute or come to conclusions.

Quote: EvenBob

People don't understand that the FBI investigates,
it doesn't judge or prosecute or come to conclusions.

We knew the lefties would scream that the investigation was not valid if it did not go their way. This is so silly. Like playing cards with my brother's kids.

Collins and Manchin say their voting
for Kavanaugh, so it's pretty much a
done deal. I wonder if the Dems
realize how harm much all these lies
and hatred did to their party. I'm
sure they have no idea. Yet.

This has shown me that it’s not about the country at all, it’s about winning.

And one side “wins” then the other side will “win”. While this happens, everyone is actually losing.

Quote: EvenBob

Collins and Manchin say their voting
for Kavanaugh, so it's pretty much a
done deal. I wonder if the Dems
realize how harm much all these lies
and hatred did to their party. I'm
sure they have no idea. Yet.

I don’t think they’re ever gonna figure it out. They’re just gonna keep ranting and raving about who-the-hell-knows-what. “Let’s try to ban plastic straws, that’s an excellent idea!”

Quote: RS

I don’t think they’re ever gonna figure it out. They’re just gonna keep ranting and raving about who-the-hell-knows-what. “Let’s try to ban plastic straws, that’s an excellent idea!”

I mean, it’s not a bad idea to ban plastic straws...

Ban bans

Quote: RogerKint

Ban bans

That’s deep.

Quote: FinsRule

I mean, it’s not a bad idea to ban plastic straws...

Except the straw ban, in California, doesn't apply to fast food restaurants. And at regular restaurants, you can still request a straw. Where do you think 99.99999% of the straws come from, especially ones that get littered and end up on the streets or oceans? The straw ban just "fixes" a problem that didn't even exist. California may as well invoke a requirement to purchase tornado insurance.

Quote: ams288

The FBI investigation was a sham,

Not a sham at all. What's in the report,
that all the Senators now know, is
the FBI uncovered witness tampering
by Ford's legal team. They tried to get
Leland Keyser, Ford's friend, to make up
a story that she knew all about what
happened at the party. This is why you
don't see much screaming from the
Senate today, they all know what a sham
the Ford debacle is. It's all lies.

It's also in the report that Ford didn't even
write the infamous letter to Feinstein. We'll
never see the letter because apparently it's
obvious it's not written by her. Lies lies lies.

Quote: RogerKint

Ban bans

AA- Abolish acronyms

Quote: EvenBob

Not a sham at all. What's in the report,
that all the Senators now know, is
the FBI uncovered witness tampering
by Ford's legal team. They tried to get
Leland Keyser, Ford's friend, to make up
a story that she knew all about what
happened at the party. This is why you
don't see much screaming from the
Senate today, they all know what a sham
the Ford debacle is. It's all lies.

It's also in the report that Ford didn't even
write the infamous letter to Feinstein. We'll
never see the letter because apparently it's
obvious it's not written by her. Lies lies lies.

Yeah, but then some Republicans like Trump’s idiot son can’t even handle when people agree with them. He slammed the timing of Manchin’s announcement on his Twitter:

https://mobile.twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1048328508831936517

What makes this even dumber is the fact that Manchin voted in favor of cloture as well as voted in favor of Gorsuch.

Way to cross that aisle!

Beyond that, “Lyin’ Liberal,” makes no sense. Manchin is not even particularly liberal, see for yourself:

http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Joe_Manchin_III.htm

He’s a West Virginia Democrat, which anywhere else, would be a moderate Republican. He’s only a Democrat (and ran for Governor and won as such) given his semi-left positions on Social Safety nets (Medicare, Senior Programs, Education) and other items such as teacher pay. As a Governor, he was pretty pro-business.

I would say he’s definitely in the top three and quite possibly the most moderate person in the entire Senate.

Quote: EvenBob

Not a sham at all. What's in the report,
that all the Senators now know, is
the FBI uncovered witness tampering
by Ford's legal team. They tried to get
Leland Keyser, Ford's friend, to make up
a story that she knew all about what
happened at the party. This is why you
don't see much screaming from the
Senate today, they all know what a sham
the Ford debacle is. It's all lies.

It's also in the report that Ford didn't even
write the infamous letter to Feinstein. We'll
never see the letter because apparently it's
obvious it's not written by her. Lies lies lies.

Seeing how there's been only one copy of this report made available to the senators and they all took turns reading it, I'd love to see where you are getting this information.

But if there's one good thing that's come out of this is that your faith in the FBI seems to be restored. We can finally quit with the deep-state nonsense.

Senator Collins did her research.

Collins Speech - Full Text

Excerpts:

One concern that I frequently heard was that the judge would be likely to eliminate the Affordable Care Act’s vital protections for people with preexisting conditions. I disagree with this. In a dissent in Seven-Sky v. Holder, Judge Kavanaugh rejected a challenge to the ACA on narrow procedural grounds, preserving the law in full. Many experts have said that his dissent informed Justice Roberts’s opinion upholding the ACA at the Supreme Court.

On Pre-Existing Medical Conditions:

Furthermore, Judge Kavanaugh’s approach toward the doctrine of sever-ability is narrow. When a part of a statute is challenged on constitutional grounds, he has argued for severing the invalid clause as surgically as possible while allowing the overall law to remain intact. This was his approach in a case that involved a challenge to the structure of the consumer financial protection bureau. In his dissent, Judge Kavanaugh argued for “severing any problematic portions while leaving the remainder intact.” Given the current challenges to the ACA proponents, including myself, of protections for people with preexisting conditions should want a justice who would take just this kind of approach.

On Whether a President is protected from Criminal Prosecution:

First, Judge Kavanaugh has written that he believes that Congress should enact legislation to protect presidents from criminal prosecution or civil liability while in office. Mr. President, I believe opponents missed the mark on this issue. The fact that judge Kavanaugh offered this legislative proposal suggests that he believes that the president does not have such protection currently.

Right of Same Sex Couples to Marry

Others I’ve met with have expressed concerns that Justice Kennedy’s retirement threatens the right of same-sex couples to marry. Yet, Judge Kavanaugh described the Obergefell decision, which legalized same-gender marriages, as an important landmark precedent. He also cited Justice Kennedy’s recent masterpiece cake shop opinion for the court’s majority stating that “the days of treating gay and lesbian Americans, or gay and lesbian couples as second-class citizens who are inferior in dignity and worth are over in the Supreme Court.”

Row v. Wade

Others have suggested that the judge holds extreme views on birth control. In one case Judge Kavanaugh incurred the disfavor of both sides of the political spectrum for seeking to ensure the availability of contraceptive services for women while minimizing the involvement of employers with religious objections. Although his critics frequently overlook this point, Judge Kavanaugh’s dissent rejected arguments that the government did not have a compelling interest in facilitating access to contraception. In fact, he wrote that the Supreme Court precedent strongly suggested that there was a compelling interest in facilitating access to birth control.
There has also been considerable focus on the future of abortion rights based on the concern that Judge Kavanaugh would seek to overturn Roe v. Wade. Protecting this right is important to me. To my knowledge, Judge Kavanaugh is the first Supreme Court nominee to express the view that precedent is not merely a practice and tradition, but rooted in Article 3 of our Constitution itself. He believes that precedent is not just a judicial policy, it is constitutionally dictated to pay attention and pay heed to rules of precedent. In other words, precedent isn’t a goal or an aspiration. It is a constitutional tenet that has to be followed except in the most extraordinary circumstances.

The judge further explained that precedent provides stability, predictability, reliance and fairness. There are, of course, rare and extraordinary times where the Supreme Court would rightly overturn a precedent.

Noting that Roe v. Wade was decided 45 years ago and reaffirmed 19 years later in Planned Parenthood vs. Casey, I asked Judge Kavanaugh whether the passage of time is relevant to following precedent. He said decisions become part of our legal framework with the passage of time and that honoring precedent is essential to maintaining public confidence.

Quote: Steverinos

Seeing how there's been only one copy of this report made available to the senators and they all took turns reading it, I'd love to see where you are getting this information.

Leland Keyser felt pressured by friends to make clear she believed For

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/oct/5/le... Proxy Highlight

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Need more pages? Just ask.

Can anybody tell me who she was addressing as Mr. President? I assume it was either Mike Pence or Orrin Hatch. Pence is the president of the Senate and Hatch is the president pro tempore.

Quote: SanchoPanza

Need more pages? Just ask.

I guess I do, because none of them worked. But I found the story. It's the same story. No need to post several different sites that regurgitate the same info. The WSJ also reports that Kavanaugh allies did the same thing. None of this is surprising, I guess.

I find it interesting that Ford supposedly made this whole thing up and would name people that she knew couldn't corroborate her story. If it was a well-funded and coordinated democratic smear campaign, you'd think that they'd have those "witnesses" (people are usually sexually assaulted in private) lined up ahead of time and ready to back up the claim, especially a long-time friend of hers.

Quote: VCUSkyhawk

Can anybody tell me who she was addressing as Mr. President? I assume it was either Mike Pence or Orrin Hatch. Pence is the president of the Senate and Hatch is the president pro tempore.

It was whoever was designated at the time, I do not know who the actual senator was

The Senate in Session
https://www.senate.gov/visiting/common/generic/Senate_in_session.htm

The vice president of the United States serves as president of the Senate and therefore its presiding officer. In the vice president’s absence, the president pro tempore -- who is generally, but not always, the most senior member of the majority party -- presides or designates other senators from the majority party to take the chair. Senators must direct all remarks to the presiding officer, whom they address as “Mr. President” or “Madam President.”


emphasis mine

Quote: Steverinos

IHis behavior was straight out of the Trump playbook.

https://www.ajc.com/rf/image_inline/Pub/p9/AJC/2018/09/27/Images/mike0928.jpg

Quote: Fleaswatter

It was whoever was designated at the time, I do not know who the actual senator was

The Senate in Session
https://www.senate.gov/visiting/common/generic/Senate_in_session.htm

The vice president of the United States serves as president of the Senate and therefore its presiding officer. In the vice president’s absence, the president pro tempore -- who is generally, but not always, the most senior member of the majority party -- presides or designates other senators from the majority party to take the chair. Senators must direct all remarks to the presiding officer, whom they address as “Mr. President” or “Madam President.”


emphasis mine

Interesting. I did not know the position was fluid depending on the most ranking member of the majority present.

Quote: Steverinos

I find it interesting that Ford supposedly made this whole thing up and would name people that she knew couldn't corroborate her story.

They thought it would never go
that far, that Kavanaugh and Trump
would fold like a bad hand of cards
and slink away. They never planned
on her even coming forward. She
wanted to remain anonymous,
and then when the Ronan Farrow
story would break and the sleazy
porn lawyer would come forward,
and before all details could come
out, Kavanaugh would be long gone.

They didn't count on Trump standing
so strongly behind his man. Everyone
agrees that certainly every president
after Reagan would have folded and
picked somebody else. Not Trump,
the alpha male.

Quote: VCUSkyhawk

Quote: Fleaswatter

It was whoever was designated at the time, I do not know who the actual senator was

The Senate in Session
https://www.senate.gov/visiting/common/generic/Senate_in_session.htm

The vice president of the United States serves as president of the Senate and therefore its presiding officer. In the vice president’s absence, the president pro tempore -- who is generally, but not always, the most senior member of the majority party -- presides or designates other senators from the majority party to take the chair. Senators must direct all remarks to the presiding officer, whom they address as “Mr. President” or “Madam President.”


emphasis mine

Interesting. I did not know the position was fluid depending on the most ranking member of the majority present.

I don't think that's quite right, as to who's present. President Pro Tem is a permanent designation for the most senior member of the majority party. I used to lobby Strom Thurmond when he held that position in the 90s, and you have never seen such a gorgeous office suite as the Pro Tem. I bet it's nicer than the Oval Office, and definitely bigger. (I've only seen the Oval from the doorway when it was not in use, so a little hard to judge.)

The Pro Tem always has the right to take the gavel, as it's theirs by default. But it's usually scheduled among other Senators of their party, not by rank but by duty. There has to be a President present during business sessions, and it can be a chore, because that Senator has to physically be in the chair, not at hearings, committee meetings, or in office hours.

The chair also generally gives up their seat to another while they are speaking, because their job is to maintain order and recognize speakers, call the question, announce the vote, and other administrative tasks, not to orate from the chair.

But on major votes, the Pro Tem usually takes the chair.

Quote: beachbumbabs

Quote: VCUSkyhawk

Quote: Fleaswatter

It was whoever was designated at the time, I do not know who the actual senator was

The Senate in Session
https://www.senate.gov/visiting/common/generic/Senate_in_session.htm

The vice president of the United States serves as president of the Senate and therefore its presiding officer. In the vice president’s absence, the president pro tempore -- who is generally, but not always, the most senior member of the majority party -- presides or designates other senators from the majority party to take the chair. Senators must direct all remarks to the presiding officer, whom they address as “Mr. President” or “Madam President.”


emphasis mine

Interesting. I did not know the position was fluid depending on the most ranking member of the majority present.

I don't think that's quite right, as to who's present. President Pro Tem is a permanent designation for the most senior member of the majority party. I used to lobby Strom Thurmond when he held that position in the 90s, and you have never seen such a gorgeous office suite as the Pro Tem. I bet it's nicer than the Oval Office, and definitely bigger. (I've only seen the Oval from the doorway when it was not in use, so a little hard to judge.)

The Pro Tem always has the right to take the gavel, as it's theirs by default. But it's usually scheduled among other Senators of their party, not by rank but by duty. There has to be a President present during business sessions, and it can be a chore, because that Senator has to physically be in the chair, not at hearings, committee meetings, or in office hours.

The chair also generally gives up their seat to another while they are speaking, because their job is to maintain order and recognize speakers, call the question, announce the vote, and other administrative tasks, not to orate from the chair.

But on major votes, the Pro Tem usually takes the chair.

Thanks for the additional info babs. Question, since you seem to have a more intimate knowledge of the workings of the senate. You said always has the right to the gavel, but does the VP outrank the Pro Tem? The only reason I ask is from a scene I remember from House of Cards, where Frank Underwood says "You are in my seat" (he was VP at the time). I know it is silly as that is Hollywood, but it does somewhat makes sense.

let me know your thoughts.

Quote: RS

I don’t think they’re ever gonna figure it out. They’re just gonna keep ranting and raving about who-the-hell-knows-what. “Let’s try to ban plastic straws, that’s an excellent idea!”

HA!!! You know what's next on the ban list? Spoons!!! They'll argue that spoons are lethal killers, giving people diabetes!

beachbumbabs and friends.


Christine Blasey Ford = a F****** C#N! LIAR.

Admit it.

And let's move on.


If you still want to have your #metoo blinders on and not admit the injustices of faults allegations against Kavanaugh(and other innocent men), then we have to lose all respect for all your emotional political views.

Quote: EvenBob

They thought it would never go
that far, that Kavanaugh and Trump
would fold like a bad hand of cards
and slink away. They never planned
on her even coming forward. She
wanted to remain anonymous,
and then when the Ronan Farrow
story would break and the sleazy
porn lawyer would come forward,
and before all details could come
out, Kavanaugh would be long gone.

That's one theory.

The other, obviously, is that no person being coached, is well-funded, and being used by the Democratic machines would name people that wouldn't corroborate a story. They obviously would have already deposited their money from Soros and be ready to sign an affidavit. I mean, naming people that wouldn't back up the story would be a pretty dumb f**k thing to do, wouldn't you agree? Nixon recorded himself being a criminal. Even HE wouldn't of been as stupid.

Quote: AxelWolf

beachbumbabs and friends.


Christine Blasey Ford = a F****** C#N! LIAR.

Admit it.

And let's move on.

Well Ford must really hate her life, because there is not even a decent story to write a book about. A 3 minute event.

Quote: rxwine

Well Ford must really hate her life, because there is not even a decent story to write a book about. A 3 minute event.

I'm not sure how one would go about figuring it out, but, I bet the C#N!s LIARS yearly income will be significantly higher after this. I'm sure her popularity has risen by a factor of at least 100,000. No one knew who she was before this, and no one cared.

I love this meme that's out there now!

Sexual assault is not funny. You have a pretty sick sense of humor if this is what you like.

Quote: AxelWolf

I'm not sure how one would go about figuring it out, but, I bet the C#N!s LIARS yearly income will be significantly higher after this. I'm sure her popularity has risen by a factor of at least 100,000. No one knew who she was before this, and no one cared.

There is money in the metoo movement right now, maybe this is an AP move on her part?

Quote: petroglyph

There is money in the metoo movement right now, maybe this is an AP move on her part?

Of course, I have no doubt this was all carefully planned over 10 years ago in her sick twisted mind. Remember, she claimed she knew someone that might be on the supreme court one day. I'm sure she knew there would be no way to 100% prove or disprove it happened.

Quote: AxelWolf

Of course, I have no doubt this was all carefully planned over 10 years ago in her sick twisted mind. Remember, she claimed she knew someone that might be on the supreme court one day. I'm sure she knew there would be no way to 100% prove or disprove it happened.

Carefully? Planned? For ten years?

And couldn’t find a single person that would lie for her? Couldn’t find a single person that would take the money? And when she couldn’t she just randomly named four people she hoped would lie with her?

Yeah, I think you might’ve cracked the case. Good work.

Quote: Keyser

I love this meme that's out there now!

Hey, that's not funny.

Now that this whole mess is over I'm just here for the memes.

Quote: djatc

Now that this whole mess is over...

It will never be over.

Doesn’t matter that Ford is a liar, and all the dem arguments against Kavanaugh were systematically disproved by Senator Collins in her speech yesterday.

The dems will keep the lie alive, to appeal to their base.

You go girls!

Quote: AxelWolf

I'm not sure how one would go about figuring it out, but, I bet the C#N!s LIARS yearly income will be significantly higher after this. I'm sure her popularity has risen by a factor of at least 100,000. No one knew who she was before this, and no one cared.

She will do paid speeches for various lib groups. Probably be invited to a paid board position on some lib think tank. Not talking Hillary Clinton money, but in comfort she will live her remaining years.

Quote: EvenBob

They thought it would never go
that far, that Kavanaugh and Trump
would fold like a bad hand of cards
and slink away. They never planned
on her even coming forward. She
wanted to remain anonymous,
and then when the Ronan Farrow
story would break and the sleazy
porn lawyer would come forward,
and before all details could come
out, Kavanaugh would be long gone.

They didn't count on Trump standing
so strongly behind his man. Everyone
agrees that certainly every president
after Reagan would have folded and
picked somebody else. Not Trump,
the alpha male.

This is why the Trump voter has not waivered in support for him. Bush43 would have folded the moment she came forward. So would virtually any GOP leader. Dems have historically taken the "wiseguy" approach of defend their person to the end, even if they are in the wrong. The Dems hoped that this would play out to history. Nope.

Now the Dems, the party who demanded the FBI check it out, say it is not good enough. Already threatening to "investigate" if they get the House back. Investigate what? All they want to do is to continue the circus they have created. Maybe they want to find that he pulled the ponytail of some girl in Kindergarten. This is their level of desperation.

Of course, look at their history. So much of their agenda has come by court order, not legislation. At all levels, not just SCOTUS. Trump is filling the court with good, honest, non-activist judges. It scares them to death.

#MeToo is important, but fairness and due process are just as important. Movements sometimes swing too far to one side and need to swing back to the middle, which is where most of us really live. There are plenty of cases that can be supported by witnesses and/or other evidence, and those should go forward. It can never be as simple as "he did it" without anything to support it or we ALL lose. if you sit back and say that it would be okay if Kavanaugh lost his job and the nomination, then where does it logically end? He has no "right" to a seat on the bench, but it would not be right to keep him from it without at least a little proof.

I think Susan Collins said a lot yesterday. Advice and consent is not about being in love with the nominee or their positions.

***************
Of course, nothing is done until it is done. Vice President Pence won't be leaving town today until the vote is done...

Quote: djatc

Now that this whole mess is over I'm just here for the memes.

The #memetoo movement

Quote: Tanko

It will never be over.

Doesn’t matter that Ford is a liar, and all the dem arguments against Kavanaugh were systematically disproved by Senator Collins in her speech yesterday.

The dems will keep the lie alive, to appeal to their base.

You go girls!

Anyone want to guess who drives a Miata in this picture?

To me Blasey Ford is just not believable. Her remembering that she had exactly one beer but not remembering how she got home is the most obvious lie of this whole fiasco. Exactly what her motive for her actions are we will never know.

The above does not mean that Kavanaugh did not lie about his drinking, sexual activities, etc...

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To me Blasey Ford is just not believable. Her remembering that she had exactly one beer but not remembering how she got home is the most obvious lie of this whole fiasco. Exactly what her motive for her actions are we will never know.

Motive is simple. She is a ***** hat wearing anti-Trumper. TDS is strong in this one. Thinks that destroying a man's reputation is no big deal for her idea of a greater good.

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It was whoever was designated at the time, I do not know who the actual senator was

The Senate in Session
https://www.senate.gov/visiting/common/generic/Senate_in_session.htm

The vice president of the United States serves as president of the Senate and therefore its presiding officer. In the vice president’s absence, the president pro tempore -- who is generally, but not always, the most senior member of the majority party -- presides or designates other senators from the majority party to take the chair. Senators must direct all remarks to the presiding officer, whom they address as “Mr. President” or “Madam President.”


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Interesting. I did not know the position was fluid depending on the most ranking member of the majority present.

I don't think that's quite right, as to who's present. President Pro Tem is a permanent designation for the most senior member of the majority party. I used to lobby Strom Thurmond when he held that position in the 90s, and you have never seen such a gorgeous office suite as the Pro Tem. I bet it's nicer than the Oval Office, and definitely bigger. (I've only seen the Oval from the doorway when it was not in use, so a little hard to judge.)

The Pro Tem always has the right to take the gavel, as it's theirs by default. But it's usually scheduled among other Senators of their party, not by rank but by duty. There has to be a President present during business sessions, and it can be a chore, because that Senator has to physically be in the chair, not at hearings, committee meetings, or in office hours.

The chair also generally gives up their seat to another while they are speaking, because their job is to maintain order and recognize speakers, call the question, announce the vote, and other administrative tasks, not to orate from the chair.

But on major votes, the Pro Tem usually takes the chair.

Thanks for the additional info babs. Question, since you seem to have a more intimate knowledge of the workings of the senate. You said always has the right to the gavel, but does the VP outrank the Pro Tem? The only reason I ask is from a scene I remember from House of Cards, where Frank Underwood says "You are in my seat" (he was VP at the time). I know it is silly as that is Hollywood, but it does somewhat makes sense.

let me know your thoughts.

From Senate.gov:

"President of the Senate: Vice President of the United States. Under the Constitution, the vice president serves as the president of the Senate and presides over the Senate's daily proceedings. In the absence of the vice president, the Senate's president pro tempore (and others designated by him) presides."

This is why the VP breaks ties. His position is covered within the workings of the Senate, but the VP will almost never take the gavel unless he will be a tie-breaker.

They say Pence will be in the Senate building for the vote, just in case, and as he was for the Trump care vote. But if it goes as they expect, with Murkowski voting Present so the Montana senator can be at his wedding today, it will be 50-48 rather than 51-49.

If one other person moves from yes to no, Pence will be there to break the 49-49 tie. Part of Murkowskis courtesy vote is supposed to be that she will still vote Present in that event, because it would go 50-49 no if one moved, and the Montana guy would be screwed. I don't think they'll do that to him.

If 2 people move, it won't matter if Pence is there. And if anybody moves, McConnell likely won't call the vote today. But it seems locked in at the moment.

You're right that one is way funnier! HAHAAHA!!!

I hope they investigate Ford further and prosecute her for lying.