Racist or not?
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Quote: VCUSkyhawkDude, you are as evasive at Slick Willy. Next, you are going to ask what is meaning of "is" is.
How am I being evasive? I clearly said "what's the difference" why someone makes the choice they make in searching for a mate.
Maybe you can answer why you would care why someone chooses?
Quote: AZDuffmanHow am I being evasive? I clearly said "what's the difference" why someone makes the choice they make in searching for a mate.
Maybe you can answer why you would care why someone chooses?
First. You are being evasive because he asked you a point blank question and you responded in a nature that did not answer the question.
Second. I dont care. I also think having a preference (however it got there) is not a bad nor racist.
The point remains you did not answer the mans question.
Quote: VCUSkyhawk
The point remains you did not answer the mans question.
I clearly stated from the beginning that having race as a criteria in dating is NOT racist. Period.
Quote: AZDuffmanI clearly stated from the beginning that having race as a criteria in dating is NOT racist. Period.
Quote: TigerWuif a person thinks that Asians are "dirty ignorant yellow monkey blood," your contention is that saying and believing that is NOT racist? Am I understanding you correctly or not?
Answer this please.
Quote: VCUSkyhawkAnswer this please.
For the third time,
NO!
Now please answer what business of yours it would be who they want to date?
Quote: AZDuffmanFor the third time,
NO!
Now please answer what business of yours it would be who they want to date?
Ok. I understand now, you dont think thinking of people in terms of racial slurs is racist. I disagree.
Now, to answer your questions. I dont care. Date who you want to date or dont date for any reason. I dont judge.
However thinking of people in those terms IS racist.
Quote: VCUSkyhawkOk. I understand now, you dont think thinking of people in terms of racial slurs is racist. I disagree.
Now, to answer your questions. I dont care. Date who you want to date or dont date for any reason. I dont judge.
However thinking of people in those terms IS racist.
Where I come from. you are free to think whatever you like, no penalties and no judgment.
BTW: Your last statement IS judging someone. Just so you realize. So how I am reading it you do judge people.
Quote: AZDuffmanWhere I come from. you are free to think whatever you like, no penalties and no judgment.
BTW: Your last statement IS judging someone. Just so you realize. So how I am reading it you do judge people.
Perhaps. We have lines of what we think is appropriate or not. Romes and apparently 8 others think I am a racist because I dig whites and Asians only, I think they are wrong too. I really dont judge you dude, I just have a different line.
Saul Good man
Quote: djatcUpbringing might give you restriction on what you find is "acceptable" but for the most part people will end up in a relationship with someone they find attractive, not what others think its "acceptable". But then again I tend to think most people settle on a balance between what kind of person they want in a partner, and what they can realistically get.
Sometimes what you want and what you get are 2 different things.
That's a very hurtful thing to say when you know Damn well RS is reading.
If a 19-year-old says he won't date outside of his race he might be racist. More likely he's gay and using it as a flimsy explanation for why he hasn't touched a girl.
MarriedQuote: rxwineSo pick your perfect woman in every way you can think of.
Now make her a race you wouldn't date.
Okay, what are you?
Credit lineQuote: RomesAnd where do you think this "preference" comes from???
Quote: SOOPOOYou are a 19 year old guy/gal and looking for a date. You choose not to look at anyone who is from a different race than your own. Are you thus a racist?
Yes. You are racist. If you are intentionally avoiding someone solely due to race; yes.
In the scenario where you won't date a person of an alternate race because you are afraid of the repercussions from your racist father, you are not a racist. You will, in fact, consider it, but refrain for a reason (scared of your father) other than race.
Why didn't you just get a watch?Quote: WizardI would answer this question in the affirmative. When I was single, few white women would give me the time of day,
Quote: IndyJeffreyYes. You are racist. If you are intentionally avoiding someone solely due to race; yes.
In the scenario where you won't date a person of an alternate race because you are afraid of the repercussions from your racist father, you are not a racist. You will, in fact, consider it, but refrain for a reason (scared of your father) other than race.
If you don't feel another race is beneath you and you don't discriminate against them in any way other than deciding that you want to marry someone similar to you, you are a racist? I guess that fits the current narrative of calling everyone and everything "racist", but I am not sure it is anything more than a preference. Some people prefer their race or nationality; some don't...
Quote: RonCIf you don't feel another race is beneath you and you don't discriminate against them in any way other than deciding that you want to marry someone similar to you, you are a racist? I guess that fits the current narrative of calling everyone and everything "racist", but I am not sure it is anything more than a preference. Some people prefer their race or nationality; some don't...
The question is about a hypothetical 19-year-old. If a teenager says they won’t date someone because they aren’t the type of person they want to marry, they are lying. There is another reason they are hiding
Quote: TomGThe question is about a hypothetical 19-year-old. If a teenager says they won’t date someone because they aren’t the type of person they want to marry, they are lying. There is another reason they are hiding
So someone at 19 does not find someone that is not from a certain group attractive. That makes then racist?
Quote: RonCSo someone at 19 does not find someone that is not from a certain group attractive. That makes then racist?
I don't know, let's make it simple. If you won't use a certain color paint because it is a certain color does it make a difference if you really hate the paint or just dislike the paint? It's all the same result. You won't treat the paint like other paints.
Now as regards the paint, it makes no difference. It's just paint. But if paint had a job to paint a house, you've just discriminated against that paint getting a job just because you don't like its color. You're same as paint racist. Same result. Assuming the paint has all same viable qualities.
By god, if you paint your own mother a different color, what the hell difference does it make. Except for the screaming?
Ah, I'll go have a beer now.
Quote: RonCSo someone at 19 does not find someone that is not from a certain group attractive. That makes then racist?
It could be racism, but more likely a closet gay.
Quote: rxwineI don't know, let's make it simple. If you won't use a certain color paint because it is a certain color does it make a difference if you really hate the paint or just dislike the paint? It's all the same result. You won't treat the paint like other paints.
Now as regards the paint, it makes no difference. It's just paint. But if paint had a job to paint a house, you've just discriminated against that paint getting a job just because you don't like its color. You're same as paint racist. Same result. Assuming the paint has all same viable qualities.
By god, if you paint your own mother a different color, what the hell difference does it make. Except for the screaming?
Ah, I'll go have a beer now.
I think reading this gave me a stroke what are you talking about?
Quote: RigondeauxThat's a very hurtful thing to say when you know Damn well RS is reading.
He's a jump off, I thought you were my bottom bitch?
Quote: TomGIf a 19-year-old lady says she won't date out of her race she is either a racist or an uptight prude using it as cover to keep at least half of all potential suitors away. Possibly both.
This is how Black pimps turn out white runaways they find in the bus station. They will ask them out and use the line, "are you a racist or something?" if she turns him down. Not wanting to look "racist" they accept a date. A week later they are walking the street working for the guy,
Quote: TomGIt could be racism, but more likely a closet gay.
That is pretty funny.
I think that is how you meant it...
Quote: AZDuffmanThis is how Black pimps turn out white runaways they find in the bus station. They will ask them out and use the line, "are you a racist or something?" if she turns him down. Not wanting to look "racist" they accept a date. A week later they are walking the street working for the guy,
I always thought this is how pimps turn a hoe out
do you know what I am saying?
Quote: petroglyphCredit line
Now that made me chuckle!
I think what AZ is trying to say is that a racist opinion is not racism. And that choices to exclude sexual partners based on race is not hurting anyone and therefore is not racism.
I know that for myself I have racist and sexist opinions, something that my daughter loves to point out to me when I'm not financing her education. These are borne out of ignorance more than anything and our willingness to stereotype out of observations or what we've been told.
And personally to some sense AZ is right. Acts matter. Having a racist opinion and acting upon those opinions are two different things. Excluding a racial minority for employment or advancement when otherwise qualified is obvious racism. Excusing yourself from a dating outside of your race harms no one even if for racist reasons.
Quote: boymimbo
I think what AZ is trying to say is that a racist opinion is not racism. And that choices to exclude sexual partners based on race is not hurting anyone and therefore is not racism.
And personally to some sense AZ is right. Acts matter. Having a racist opinion and acting upon those opinions are two different things. Excluding a racial minority for employment or advancement when otherwise qualified is obvious racism. Excusing yourself from a dating outside of your race harms no one even if for racist reasons.
Ding ding ding ding--EXACTLY what I am trying to say here. I mean, e-x-a-c-t-l-y!
If you see me at Casino Niagara next month feel free to collect a beer.
I will add that I do not see why race should be any different a qualification to exclude than any other.
Quote: AZDuffmanDing ding ding ding--EXACTLY what I am trying to say here. I mean, e-x-a-c-t-l-y!
No it isn't.... you explicitly said calling an Asian person a dirty ignorant yellow monkey blood is not racist.
Boymimbo said:
"Excusing yourself from a dating outside of your race harms no one even if for racist reasons."
Meaning not dating someone doesn't hurt them, but it's still racist.
You are disagreeing with Boymimbo, NOT agreeing with him, because you said it ISN'T racist, while he said it is.
We're not talking about harm, we're talking about if it's racist or not.
Quote: TigerWuNo it isn't.... you explicitly said calling an Asian person a dirty ignorant yellow monkey blood is not racist.
No, I did not. You asked if a person would not date Asians because they THOUGHT "an Asian person a dirty ignorant yellow monkey blood." You did not ask about saying it. I will repeat it since you do not seem to be following it. EXCLUDING A PERSON FROM YOUR DATING POOL BASED ON RACE IS NOT RACIST! "Reasons" do not matter. Not racist. Period.
Quote:Boymimbo said:
"Excusing yourself from a dating outside of your race harms no one even if for racist reasons."
Meaning not dating someone doesn't hurt them, but it's still racist.
You are disagreeing with Boymimbo, NOT agreeing with him, because you said it ISN'T racist, while he said it is.
We're not talking about harm, we're talking about if it's racist or not.
I can't even follow your logic here. Boymimbo repeated my point. You need to get over your hang-up about things being racist. All that does is make a person angry at the world.
Quote: NathanI personally am more attracted to White Men than Black Men. My first love is a White Man. That's just how I am. :)
Single men of the forum, start spreading your feathers.
The guy with the best looking hobo bag wins.Quote: WizardSingle men of the forum, start spreading your feathers.
You're not taking my words far enough in to meaning... I'm not talking about what your parents find "acceptable" though that does play a small role. I'm talking about when you're 3 and your dad is talking with his buddy about how "Blondes are by far the best and hottest girls in the world!" Subconsciously this affects you to later in life be more attracted to blonds. So that "attraction" you're referring to... yep, all product of your environment.Quote: djatcUpbringing might give you restriction on what you find is "acceptable" but for the most part people will end up in a relationship with someone they find attractive, not what others think its "acceptable". But then again I tend to think most people settle on a balance between what kind of person they want in a partner, and what they can realistically get.
Sometimes what you want and what you get are 2 different things.
I agree with AZ, that viewing the world through a race filter and acting on those opinions to the harm of others are very different things. If I wish that every guy who sexually molests a child were dead; does that make me a murderer?
Would admission to top universities be fairer if questions of applicant’s race and ethnicity were banned? I think so, but the merits of hard work and studying aren’t as important to the powers that be as criteria based on external appearance.
Quote: RomesYou're not taking my words far enough in to meaning... I'm not talking about what your parents find "acceptable" though that does play a small role. I'm talking about when you're 3 and your dad is talking with his buddy about how "Blondes are by far the best and hottest girls in the world!" Subconsciously this affects you to later in life be more attracted to blinds. So that "attraction" you're referring to... yep, all product of your environment.
Yeah, I can see why guys would "be more attracted to blinds". Makes the morning grooming routine much shorter.
Lol.
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I don't actually believe in superior or inferior races. I do believe in arrogance.
Quote: Ayecarumba
I agree with AZ, that viewing the world through a race filter and acting on those opinions to the harm of others are very different things.
I can get why the Führer was harmless until he did harm. But not racist until then? Not racist when he was just thinking people less than human before he even thought of harming them?
Quote: billryanTrying to have a discussion on racism with someone who uses a racist symbol as an avatar is a waste of time.
Who has a racist avatar?
I have a combo of rebel symbols, my statement that I do not trust our government.
Then again, discussing racism with folks who see racism everywhere is an exercise in futility.
There is also a problem of messy language in these discussions. People tend to speak as is racism is the ultimate evil. Yet roughly 100% of people are racially prejudiced in some way. Some of these behaviors are simply natural and we might or might not want to rethink them.
E.g I am pretty sure if you found a pristine tribe in the Amazon and showed them prime Scarlette Johnson. Gabrielle union. Tia cararre. None of them would be considered attractive. They'd look like weird outsiders.
Back to toms point. Is a 19 year old American viewing all Latinos as weird outsiders suggestive of something more? Sure you might have a PREFERENCE for blonde hair and blue eyes. But the Mexican weather lady doesn't even move the needle?
Quote: RigondeauxYet roughly 100% of people are racially prejudiced in some way. Some of these behaviors are simply natural and we might or might not want to rethink them.
A slap, a punch, a flurry of punches, beat someone unconscious, beat someone to death. Is it all the same?
(yes, I know a single punch can sometimes kill someone, but for all intents and porpoises, not my point)
Quote: rxwineI can get why the Führer was harmless until he did harm. But not racist until then? Not racist when he was just thinking people less than human before he even thought of harming them?
We didn't then, and don't currently have the ability to read people's thoughts. Until that time comes, we can only judge their words and deeds. Anyone who has a preference for one trait over another is prejudiced, but the line where personal preference becomes immoral is difficult, if not impossible to define, since agreeing that something is immoral means there is agreement regarding what is moral... In today's world the governments of the West have all but abandoned the concepts of absolute good and evil. It is all relative.
Quote: AyecarumbaWe didn't then, and don't currently have the ability to read people's thoughts. Until that time comes, we can only judge their words and deeds. Anyone who has a preference for one trait over another is prejudiced, but the line where personal preference becomes immoral is difficult, if not impossible to define, since agreeing that something is immoral means there is agreement regarding what is moral... In today's world the governments of the West have all but abandoned the concepts of absolute good and evil. It is all relative.
Jeez. In this scenario we do know exactly what the person thinks.
Quote: rxwineA slap, a punch, a flurry of punches, beat someone unconscious, beat someone to death. Is it all the same?
(yes, I know a single punch can sometimes kill someone, but for all intents and porpoises, not my point)
I think it's more about the underlying attitudes. Are you constantly trying to come up with stories about how people are lower than you?
Most of us are guilty of that. Some focus on race.
Quote: RigondeauxJeez. In this scenario we do know exactly what the person thinks.
No, actually, we don't. In your opinion, is there a line between an innocent "preference" for mates of my own race, and evil "racism"?
Quote: AyecarumbaNo, actually, we don't. In your opinion, is there a line between an innocent "preference" for mates of my own race, and evil "racism"?
The hypothetical given was that someone wouldn't date an Asian because they think Asians are monkeys.
Quote: AZDuffmanWho has a racist avatar?
I have a combo of rebel symbols, my statement that I do not trust our government.
So you trust the Confederate government?
A government that was an enemy of the United States?
LOL
Oh, wait... this is all starting to make sense now....
Here, you might need this for your avatar, now, too.
Quote: SOOPOOThere has been so much back and forth here on whether the POTUS is a racist or not. Whether he ever in his life used the N word.
My question for the forum..... You are a 19 year old guy/gal and looking for a date. You choose not to look at anyone who is from a different race than your own. Are you thus a racist?
( I had a date with an African American girl at 19 so I know I'm not talking about myself!)
Wow, what a ridiculous and totally ignorant post! I'll explain later when I have time.
Quote: RigondeauxThe hypothetical given was that someone wouldn't date an Asian because they think Asians are monkeys.
I thought you were referring the OP.
As for the reality of the "Asian=monkey" thinkers, we can't do anything about it until they speak or act on it. When it is expressed, I think we can call it racist. But thinking or feeling? Only they can know.
Again, do you believe there a line that can be defined between "preference", and "racism"?
Quote: Ayecarumba
Again, do you believe there a line that can be defined between "preference", and "racism"?
Yes. "Racism" has a pretty clear and basic definition.
Just having a preference for something doesn't necessarily indicate racism. It's WHY you have that preference that determines it.
Quote: AyecarumbaI thought you were referring the OP.
As for the reality of the "Asian=monkey" thinkers, we can't do anything about it until they speak or act on it. When it is expressed, I think we can call it racist. But thinking or feeling? Only they can know.
Again, do you believe there a line that can be defined between "preference", and "racism"?
I wrote a lot of stuff about why its a complicated issue.
Obviously certain things like preferring big or petite women will affect the demos you like.
If someone is like, I have never found a single person outside my race attractive there is certainly some racially driven phenomena at work. But it doesn't mean they are in th kkk.
