StricklyAP/WizardofNothing
Quote: Romescwazy is 100% correct.
I've programmed similar things for companies (legally) in email campaigns. I imbedded a blank 1px image in to the email so that when it was opened/viewed it would send a request back to our servers for the image (like any other image). When that request is made, certain information may be obtained from the requesting computer, such as an IP address. We used this information to log who, what, when, and where opened our emails to help optimize when to send them... Say most people opened the email at noon, then we would send them out at 11:30am so it was on the top of their inbox when they logged in at noon.
MODS/JB - Are formatting codes, such as img tags scrubbed out of PM's? I don't think they are... I just sent myself a PM with an image and it showed up. Thus, I could send ANY OF YOU a message and SIMPLY BY OPENING IT I could have code on my server log your requesting computers information upon the request (just like what I described above). All formatting tags should be removed from PM's so you have to actually click on a link to something.
As far as the forums goes, that's just going to happen. If you're allowing embedded images/videos/etc (which my opinion is you should it's cleaner and easier) you're going to run in to that exact problem. I didn't want to talk about it ever to give anyone the ideas, but since it's been discussed already, welp, not much you can do...
There’s a simple way to deal with it though. The site can just proxy the images and prepend the proxy URL to the URLs of any images. That way only the IP of the proxy is sent to the site hosting the image and no cookies can be stored on the end user’s machine.
Re:discussing it, it’s been an issue on my mind at forums like this for a while now. I consider myself smart but certainly not the only person that could have come up with this. It’s entirely possible that casinos are already doing this with some of these forums. And I didn’t just discuss it openly without proposing a silver bullet solution.
Yes, and that one pixel can have serious consequences. Several hundred of the people arrested in Turkey were rounded up because they had a one pixel code on their website indicating they had viewed something unpopular with the Turkish leaders. Unfortunately it was the same one pixel code that was used if they visited any of several other sites including one related to gardening. So dragged out of your bed in the middle of the night and thrown into a prison cell based on one pixel can be worse than just receiving some unwanted web advertisements.Quote: beachbumbabsUm. Holy crap? Really? Wow. 1 pixel?.
Quote: Mission146Careful, I won't be able to edit your profanity here any time now.
You are seeing your own IP and everyone looking at that is seeing their own IP, not yours.
If I MUST take a screenshot to prove that to you, I will. I would prefer to E-Mail that to you, though, so PM me your E-Mail address if you would like. I would rather not post my IP on the open Forum, but if you absolutely DEMAND it as proof, I will for a very short time.
If that is the case then it is WAY off. It has me 3 hours north of where I am.
Quote: GWAEQuote: Mission146Careful, I won't be able to edit your profanity here any time now.
You are seeing your own IP and everyone looking at that is seeing their own IP, not yours.
If I MUST take a screenshot to prove that to you, I will. I would prefer to E-Mail that to you, though, so PM me your E-Mail address if you would like. I would rather not post my IP on the open Forum, but if you absolutely DEMAND it as proof, I will for a very short time.
If that is the case then it is WAY off. It has me 3 hours north of where I am.
Here is a funny thing. My work computer shows me in New Castle, PA. I just looked at my phone to see what it says and it says Philadelphia which is kinda relevant to this thread. In the last month anytime I go to weather.com or anything like that it will give me the info for Philly and not Pittsburgh. Have not been able to figure out why.
Quote: GWAE
Here is a funny thing. My work computer shows me in New Castle, PA. I just looked at my phone to see what it says and it says Philadelphia which is kinda relevant to this thread. In the last month anytime I go to weather.com or anything like that it will give me the info for Philly and not Pittsburgh. Have not been able to figure out why.
I would check the permissions for whatever app or browser you are using. One of the few things I know is that most apps ask if they can access your location, so you may have not given your Internet browser the necessary permission.
Quote: GWAE
If that is the case then it is WAY off. It has me 3 hours north of where I am.
The location may be off because the IP to city databases are often not that precise. However, the IP address will always be correct, and any cookies dropped will always uniquely identify you. Further, there are browser fingerprinting techniques that can use various aspects of the headers your browser sends to request the image that can uniquely identify your browser (or limit the odds that you are someone else down to one in several million) even without cookies.
Quote: Mission146I would check the permissions for whatever app or browser you are using. One of the few things I know is that most apps ask if they can access your location, so you may have not given your Internet browser the necessary permission.
I am so stupid that at first I thought that you lived a couple of blocks from me. I'm an idiot.
Quote: bobbartopI am so stupid that at first I thought that you lived a couple of blocks from me. I'm an idiot.
You’re not. I’ve had a couple PMs asking about meeting up for a drink.
This was my exact thought as well. I was so surprised to learn that Mission was my neighbor, LOL.Quote: bobbartopI am so stupid that at first I thought that you lived a couple of blocks from me. I'm an idiot.
Quote: gordonm888This was my exact thought as well. I was so surprised to learn that Mission was my neighbor, LOL.
I feel so stupid. lol I thought, "Hey, he lives down the street". Then I looked closer and realized, "Hey, that's MY ip address". Then, of course, the immature child that I am, I went potty-mouth. But I'm ok now. It's all good.
Special bonus - 90% of the general information websites I visit are in german because of that routing. then I get to try to find the "oh crap, english now" button. It's never in the same place twice.
Phones and browsers appear to be shipping more and more with location data toggled to "deny".
Quote: odiousgambityou can just google "my IP address"
I was almost sure I was looking at my ip address, but to be sure I googled and came up with a site that gave me my IPv6 address instead of my IPv4 address. I know I use linux but I assume everyone has an IPv6 address too? It's still all kinda greek to me. Although, I did set up a network between a few computers once in my house, and I was kind of proud of myself, since I am not a geek at all. But honestly, the linux/Ubuntu made it possible for me, I am sure I would have been LOST if I had Windows. To me, this Ubuntu is very user-friendly for a dummy like me. I really enjoy it, much more than Windows.
a user, who was well known to be a con-artist, was allowed to use this forum as a platform to advertise his scams and to defraud WOV forum members - despite the fact that he was also well-known to have duplicate WOV accounts, which was an undeniable breach of the forum rules
I mean, one moderator has already posted that they knew WoN was a con artist who was trying to defraud members but that they would send PMs to individual members to warn them if they realized that WoN was contacting them.
This issue is as much about the Wizard (who makes it a point to know as many WOV forum regulars as possible) as it is about Mission and other moderators. You guys self-righteously suspend DarkOz for calling another member a troll, but you extended special privileges to WoN, a man with a public record of felony convictions for theft and gambling-related fraud, and allowed him to have a sock-puppet account, thus perpetuating his capability to defraud and cheat WOV forum members?
What are we supposed to think of this?
Quote: gordonm888
What are we supposed to think of this?
I've read the whole thing now too. I had no idea. But I now remember the Bob Dancer articles about the guy from at least several years ago. This is wild. A little depressing.
Quote: bobbartopI was almost sure I was looking at my ip address, but to be sure I googled and came up with a site that gave me my IPv6 address instead of my IPv4 address. I know I use linux but I assume everyone has an IPv6 address too? It's still all kinda greek to me. Although, I did set up a network between a few computers once in my house, and I was kind of proud of myself, since I am not a geek at all. But honestly, the linux/Ubuntu made it possible for me, I am sure I would have been LOST if I had Windows. To me, this Ubuntu is very user-friendly for a dummy like me. I really enjoy it, much more than Windows.
Whether or not you have an IPv6 address is up to your ISP. The IP you're seeing in the image is the IP that was sent to my server when your browser requested the image.
Quote: gordonm888I have been absent several days and returned to this poop-storm. I have now read this thread from top to bottom and I think that the real issue is:
a user, who was well known to be a con-artist, was allowed to use this forum as a platform to advertise his scams and to defraud WOV forum members - despite the fact that he was also well-known to have duplicate WOV accounts, which was an undeniable breach of the forum rules
I mean, one moderator has already posted that they knew WoN was a con artist who was trying to defraud members but that they would send PMs to individual members to warn them if they realized that WoN was contacting them.
This issue is as much about the Wizard (who makes it a point to know as many WOV forum regulars as possible) as it is about Mission and other moderators. You guys self-righteously suspend DarkOz for calling another member a troll, but you extended special privileges to WoN, a man with a public record of felony convictions for theft and gambling-related fraud, and allowed him to have a sock-puppet account, thus perpetuating his capability to defraud and cheat WOV forum members?
What are we supposed to think of this?
I dont think a mod ever said they send out warnings. I had warned people before and someone else mentioned in this thread that they did as well. Page 2 has that info.
I would love to know which member here is behind this website. I can keep a secret, pm with that info. I have lots of secrets so I have proof that I won't out you.
Quote: billryanWould somebody link the Dancer article? I cant find it. Thanks.
I'll help you look for them. Gosh, it was quite a long time ago. I think some of his articles got lost in the shuffle when they switched to LVA. I do remember it was a 2-part thing. I seem to remember he wrote about the guy, gave him some time to make it right or he was going to out him. I think he ended up getting stiffed and outted him. I'm sorry, I just don't remember it perfectly it was so long ago. I'll bet Bob Dancer remembers perfectly. lol
Quote: GWAEThe original website in question has been updated and also has some screen shots from this forum.
I would love to know which member here is behind this website. I can keep a secret, pm with that info. I have lots of secrets so I have proof that I won't out you.
How do people stand the light color scheme available (and default) on this Forum? Ick. Too bright.
Thanks to all who responded.
Quote: billryanWould somebody link the Dancer article? I cant find it. Thanks.
Go to the 1st page of this thread
The whole article has been copied and pasted
4th post by RS
Quote: bobbartopI'll help you look for them. Gosh, it was quite a long time ago. I think some of his articles got lost in the shuffle when they switched to LVA. I do remember it was a 2-part thing. I seem to remember he wrote about the guy, gave him some time to make it right or he was going to out him. I think he ended up getting stiffed and outted him. I'm sorry, I just don't remember it perfectly it was so long ago. I'll bet Bob Dancer remembers perfectly. lol
I found where it should be, and it looks like the archives skip over it, like it's not there. The date is at LVA Aug 6th, 2013. It goes from July and skips over August 6th. That would be Part-2.
Quote: bobbartopI found where it should be, and it looks like the archives skip over it, like it's not there. The date is at LVA Aug 6th, 2013. It goes from July and skips over August 6th. That would be Part-2.
If you missed terapineds post above the Bob dancer articles can be found copied in the 4th post of the 1st page of this thread
Quote: bobbartopI found where it should be, and it looks like the archives skip over it, like it's not there. The date is at LVA Aug 6th, 2013. It goes from July and skips over August 6th. That would be Part-2.
I assume you're not reading every post, but I think I have already stated that is because Dancer took the articles down himself after he and WoN has purportedly resolved their issue. I have no idea about the specifics of that resolution, if any. Much like anyone else, the only thing I know about the dealings with the two of them comes from the site that I busted that link to. I assume whoever put together that site either looked up an archived version of LVA, or alternatively, saved the text themselves whenever it was originally published.
Quote: billryanThat's what I was seeing. The articles are actually in the first page, if you scroll properly.
Yeah, I guess I read that this morning and already forgot where I saw it. But if you go to past articles on LVA, it skips from like July 23rd to August 13, 2013. Obviously deleted.
Quote: gordonm888What are we supposed to think of this?
Unless Mission146 is behind my cable internet price going up, I have no complaints.
He appears to put in a lot of work around here.
I would never risk more money than I can afford to lose anyway. Agreements by good faith always have some risk involved, it goes with the territory.
Now I don't understand why you would leave someone on here who is involved in defrauding. Not logically anyway. Not for a good reason I can think of.
To give the biggest benefit of the doubt, I can go with his explanation. Or perhaps it was one of those things, where one doesn't realize the extent of the possible problem and moved it to a backburner of the mind. I've sometimes underestimated the cost of an error in judgment by a big margin and didn't give it the attention it deserved. It happens.
Quote: GWAEI can understand how people may not have known. Just like many of you don't have a clue who at least one of the secret admins are. If you follow all then you may know, if you missed a few threads then you probably dont.
ETA: After writing that, there will be 3 camps. 1 says yep I know, 1 says I wonder who it is, and the 3rd will say WTF is a secret admin
WTF is a secret admin :)
Quote: Mission146I assume you're not reading every post, but I think I have already stated that is because Dancer took the articles down himself after he and WoN has purportedly resolved their issue. I have no idea about the specifics of that resolution, if any. Much like anyone else, the only thing I know about the dealings with the two of them comes from the site that I busted that link to. I assume whoever put together that site either looked up an archived version of LVA, or alternatively, saved the text themselves whenever it was originally published.
I'm sorry. I'm an idiot, again. You're right, I'm reading backwards and skipping all over the place.
Seriously, I apologize. Don't listen to me. I'm confused. I'm old. I just wasted people's time. Sorry. I have no excuse. No meds or nuthin.
Quote: bobbartopYeah, I guess I read that this morning and already forgot where I saw it. But if you go to past articles on LVA, it skips from like July 23rd to August 13, 2013. Obviously deleted.
Co-Inky-Dinky.
Move on. These are not the droids you are looking for.
Quote: billryanCo-Inky-Dinky.
Move on. These are not the droids you are looking for.
Ok. Thanks. I don't know what a droid is, but still, thanks.
Quote: bobbartopOk. Thanks. I don't know what a droid is, but still, thanks.
Actually, I think they were what I was looking for. August 6th, and July 31. But I don't want to be endlessly argumentative. Well, yes I do.
Quote: FCBLComishWTF is a secret admin :)
shshsh
Don't blow my cover
LOL
I only say this because at some other website that monitors this web site
Posters over there were claiming I was the secret admin
Why me, I have no idea.
I did video tape the Mission nugget fail but how does that make me a secret admin
They actually said one of my suspensions was planned to throw people off the scent
lol
Also, unless you have personally been victimized by WoN, you really don't need to voice your opinion on the issue of being a sucker or falling for it. This guy has been able to scam a LOT of people for a LOT of money, he is clearly very good at what he does. One person defined him to be as a "con man that scams other con men".
The point of the website, the thread, the collectivization of information, is to bring down and hold WoN accountable, not to turn into a bash-fest of mission.
I hear the Mods here are sometimes pretty hardcore. Just looking out for you guys.
Quote: odiousgambitsomeone is trying to spread the link all over the internet; google will find it more and more easily as time goes on. You need to know the name which I guess I am not to repeat.
Mission said Dancer took them down himself. So if I had just paid attention, I would have been at the casino two hours ago and not wasted everyone's time.
Quote: Mission146By the way, I just want to remind everyone that BobDancer is a member, here. Therefore, if anyone reads those articles and wants to comment on them, it would probably be a good idea to stay away from saying anything that could be perceived as a personal insult to BobDancer.
I hear the Mods here are sometimes pretty hardcore. Just looking out for you guys.
But we LOVE Bob Dancer.
Quote: Mission146By the way, I just want to remind everyone that BobDancer is a member, here. Therefore, if anyone reads those articles and wants to comment on them, it would probably be a good idea to stay away from saying anything that could be perceived as a personal insult to BobDancer.
I hear the Mods here are sometimes pretty hardcore. Just looking out for you guys.
Ahh seems they are a push over, huh? ;-)
Quote: GWAEI can understand how people may not have known. Just like many of you don't have a clue who at least one of the secret admins are. If you follow all then you may know, if you missed a few threads then you probably dont.
ETA: After writing that, there will be 3 camps. 1 says yep I know, 1 says I wonder who it is, and the 3rd will say WTF is a secret admin
4th will say, “Who cares?” Here.
Quote: Mosca4th will say, “Who cares?” Here.
Hmmm, I guess I have no comment.
But I am worried that there is a larger problem with the administration of this site. Why was Jeff Warren not given a permanent ban immediately when the administrators realized he was using duplicate account? Why was such a disreputable person given a special exemption from the rules - a sleazy con-artist who was openly soliciting WOV forum members for the purpose of defrauding them?
Can someone as savvy about this industry as Mike Shackleford not have known about Jeff Warren - when so many WOV members have apparently known about him? Surely, Shackleford has access to all the names and personal information of forum members on a site that he created and formerly owned, even if Mission and other admins did not have such access. I would like to see a statement from Shackleford himself about whether he was clueless about Jeff Warren's criminal record and alleged behavior, and about what his rationale was for not immediately nuking sAP/WoN when he first realized that he had created multiple accounts.
I also think that the Owner of this site (Shackleford's boss) should do the following:
1. ask his lawyers to review the situation, and specifically the decision of multiple employees and volunteer administrators to not enforce immediately the "automatic ban" on WoN for multiple accounts, and to evaluate whether there is any evidence of wrongful intent to enable fraud of WOV members.
2. The Owner should post a message on WOV (or send a message to all active forum members) and communicate his position on what has occurred and his vision for the WOV site and its forum. We need to be reassured that this site is NOT the FullTilt Poker of gambling forums.
Quote: gordonm888Surely, Shackleford has access to all the names and personal information of forum members on a site that he created and formerly owned, even if Mission and other admins did not have such access.
How? When you register on the Forum, you put in your desired username, then you make a password, then you confirm the password, then you put in an E-Mail address and then you confirm the E-Mail address.
Even if Wizard has full access to ALL information at the time of registration, that would only include an E-Mail address. I also don't believe he has access to even those, I think he said once that he doesn't. I could be wrong. I'm not digging up a post that is who knows how old even if I am right.
Also, if registering at the site somehow conveyed personal information, then the Administrators would not have to rely on IP matches to ban people for multiple accounts.
Quote: CasinoKillerMission146, we need to get back to basics. The point of this post isn't about you at the end of the day and I'm sorry its become that way. It is about WoN, what he has done, what he has continued to do, and how we can collectively stop him.
Also, unless you have personally been victimized by WoN, you really don't need to voice your opinion on the issue of being a sucker or falling for it. This guy has been able to scam a LOT of people for a LOT of money, he is clearly very good at what he does. One person defined him to be as a "con man that scams other con men".
The point of the website, the thread, the collectivization of information, is to bring down and hold WoN accountable, not to turn into a bash-fest of mission.
Let me start by saying...if he's done something to you, you have every right to be pissed and you should explore every legal avenue available to you. But the way you're going about this is illegal. For starters, registering the domain using his first, middle, and last names, makes it unambiguous that you were trying to utilize his name. He can sue you for that under federal law and receive $100,000 plus attorney's fees for the domain registration alone. You're also guilty (at least) of federal stalking, and it could easily be argued that the site is part of an extortion scheme to try to pressure him to pay you money under threat of damage to his reputation.
I heard through the grapevine that you (let's stop talking about mystical third parties that put this site up) hunted down and contacted his wife's family through Facebook and sent them the link to the site. You've clearly crossed the line into illegal, stalking-type behavior, and even if he doesn't go to the cops, she might, and would have every right to do so.
The federal statute reads, in pertinent part, that anyone who uses the internet to engage in conduct that "causes, attempts to cause, or would be reasonably expected to cause substantial emotional distress to a person" (including their spouse, intimate partner, or immediate family members) is guilty of the crime of stalking under federal law. In this case, you intended to cause emotional distress to him, his wife, and wife's family, who from what I can tell on your site has nothing to do with any of this.
So you're way over the line here, and I'm curious why you would continue this course of action, exposing yourself to criminal charges, when you could simply sue or go to the cops yourself if you have evidence that he has wronged you in some way?
When Mike invited me to write fiction for the site years ago he needed me to supply my real name to him so he could purchase some other materials I had on Amazon
He didn't know me just by the info when signing up. Unless he actively searches all members (which no site would do) he wouldn't know who Jeff was imo
