Trump's Second and Third year in office
Quote: beachbumbabsJust broke.
Trump directed Cohen to lie to Congress about Moscow Trump Tower. As President, he suborned perjury.
Cohen admits it. They had electronic proof before he confessed.
Buzz feed broke it.
But what about Benghazi ? Simple minds want to know!
Quote: billryanBut what about Benghazi ? Simple minds want to know!
No no no. This changes everything. Don't trivialize or mock this. People need to understand how big a deal this is without your finger in their eye. Because once he's gone, we all still have a country to rebuild.
Quote: beachbumbabsNo no no. This changes everything. Don't trivialize or mock this. People need to understand how big a deal this is without your finger in their eye. Because once he's gone, we all still have a country to rebuild.
I suspect this news won't change one opinion here.
He could say that in Russian and his supporters would praise him for his ability to learn a second language.
Quote: beachbumbabshttps://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/jasonleopold/trump-russia-cohen-moscow-tower-mueller-investigation?ref=hpsplash
If true, that's enough to impeach and convict. Still too early, in the news cycle to believe anything yet.
Quote: billryan"I Could Stand In the Middle Of Fifth Avenue And Shoot Somebody And I Wouldn't Lose Any Voters"
He could say that in Russian and his supporters would praise him for his ability to learn a second language.
No, according to a poll published this morning, the shutdown has cost him between 7 and 11% of his remaining base. It's just one poll, but they're starting to turn on him.
Quote: beachbumbabsNo, according to a poll published this morning, the shutdown has cost him between 7 and 11% of his remaining base. It's just one poll, but they're starting to turn on him.
Poll conducted by libs'R'us.com
Quote: rxwineIf true, that's enough to impeach and convict. Still too early, in the news cycle to believe anything yet.
I can't wait for the news cycle to tell me what to believe, either. Wow!!! Lol y'all out here wylin
This is Trump's shutdown. He wants a wall. He promised Mexico will pay for it. So get Mexico to write him the check for 5.7 billion. Even a cogent explanation of exactly how 5.7 billion dollars is raised indirectly from Mexico would be grest, be it a reduction in the trade deficit, income from tariffs, recovered drugs, lower costs of immigration, etc. Rather than him flailing for an explanation every time he is asked the WH could release a document. Then he would deliver on his promise and tell the senate to send him the bill to open the government back up.
Pelosi doesn't need to give in to Trump. He refused to sign the bill before Christmas before the democrats controlled Congress and nothing has changed since then. He isn't going to get the 5.7 bilion and we all know that the wall is going to cost multiples of that anyway. He said publicly that the shutdown would be his responsibility. So show us"the art of the deal".
Meanwhile the trade deficit despite tariffs are at a record high. And the federal deficit is going to be 985 billion this year.
It will likely take an air disaster or major food recall of McDonald's hamberders to end the shutdown.
Quote: boymimboThe fact that Cohen is claiming that means nothing unless it can be proven. And as others have mentioned it doesn't matter.
This is Trump's shutdown. He wants a wall. He promised Mexico will pay for it. So get Mexico to write him the check for 5.7 billion. Even a cogent explanation of exactly how 5.7 billion dollars is raised indirectly from Mexico would be grest, be it a reduction in the trade deficit, income from tariffs, recovered drugs, lower costs of immigration, etc. Rather than him flailing for an explanation every time he is asked the WH could release a document. Then he would deliver on his promise and tell the senate to send him the bill to open the government back up.
Pelosi doesn't need to give in to Trump. He refused to sign the bill before Christmas before the democrats controlled Congress and nothing has changed since then. He isn't going to get the 5.7 bilion and we all know that the wall is going to cost multiples of that anyway. He said publicly that the shutdown would be his responsibility. So show us"the art of the deal".
Meanwhile the trade deficit despite tariffs are at a record high. And the federal deficit is going to be 985 billion this year.
It will likely take an air disaster or major food recall of McDonald's hamberders to end the shutdown.
No, they had a bunch of emails and documents from internal and WH correspondence that proved this stuff was going on, and other witness testimony that verified that, before Cohen admitted it. The docs and testimony proves Don Jr lied, Ivanka lied, Cohen lied, all under oath, and the President directed Cohen to lie WHILE PRESIDENT. That last is exactly why Nixon got impeached. They have some kind of physical evidence Trump did that, not just Cohen rolling over.
Quote: beachbumbabsNo, they had a bunch of emails and documents from internal and WH correspondence that proved this stuff was going on, and other witness testimony that verified that, before Cohen admitted it. The docs and testimony proves Don Jr lied, Ivanka lied, Cohen lied, all under oath, and the President directed Cohen to lie WHILE PRESIDENT. That last is exactly why Nixon got impeached. They have some kind of physical evidence Trump did that, not just Cohen rolling over.
We shall see. There have been claims of "we've got him" many times before on this thread with things just as bad and nothing has come out of it... Yet.
If Cohen, Trump, et al did something illegal or what-have-you, then they should face whatever their consequences are. Until then, try to keep an open mind. (EG: Kavanaugh?????)
I'm still very anti-Trump because CNN told me to hate him because he mocks witches for using the term "witch hunt" even though that term doesn't mock witches, it mocks the idiots who were hunting the witches, but I digress.
testifying to Congress, and one
of the things he's going to jail
for is lying to Congress last time
he testified.
Hmm, lets see if I can figure this
out..
Quote: MaxPenLet's take a moment and listen to Nancy. I think missing that flight caused her not to get her latest reptilian blood transfusion. Either that or she's hammered.
She didn’t slur her words at all. She made a lot of sense. Very fluid, lucid, and clear. She also sounds sober and I don’t think she has a mouth full of cotton balls.
Lol jk. She looks drunker than that time RBG got trashed at SOTU.
Quote: beachbumbabsNo no no. This changes everything. Don't trivialize or mock this. People need to understand how big a deal this is without your finger in their eye. Because once he's gone, we all still have a country to rebuild.
Slow down a bit. Your posts don't even bother to consider that the information came from "according to two federal law enforcement officials involved in an investigation of the matter" and not from any actual paperwork filed anywhere. I have seen these "unnamed sources" used along with other information to make a complete story when the complete story presented ends up not being correct.
Guilty until proven innocent is not exactly how our system works.
This is potentially a bombshell IF and WHEN it is actually presented and then proven or, if it is true, the President resigns. It is, if true, big enough to bring on the end of the Presidency. I don't think you are wrong about that; we just aren't there yet. Will we get there? The truth is that neither you nor I know.
As to the whole "trivialize" thing...well, there have been more than a few reports of how this or that was going to change everything. Perhaps this one will. Maybe very soon.
Why don't we wait and see what the investigation comes up with and actually reports. prosecutes, presents, or whatever...or until the President resigns.
Now it seems prophetic.
Quote: boymimboThe fact that Cohen is claiming that means nothing unless it can be proven. And as others have mentioned it doesn't matter.
Cohen is not the source of the buzzfeed story
Quote: RSQuote: MaxPenLet's take a moment and listen to Nancy. I think missing that flight caused her not to get her latest reptilian blood transfusion. Either that or she's hammered.
She didn’t slur her words at all. She made a lot of sense. Very fluid, lucid, and clear. She also sounds sober and I don’t think she has a mouth full of cotton balls.
Lol jk. She looks drunker than that time RBG got trashed at SOTU.
Weird video but I honestly don’t think she looks drunk.
She just looks like she is exhausted or not feeling well. Maybe she had to poop really bad or something right before going on camera.
Quote: RonCGuilty until proven innocent is not exactly how our system works.
You weren't saying that about Hillary Clinton during the campaign. Remind me what she was proven guilty of?
Quote: rsactuaryYou weren't saying that about Hillary Clinton during the campaign. Remind me what she was proven guilty of?
"Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case."
--James B. Comey
Remember, I did not say that it was impossible that he is guilty. if we get to a similar point--where someone who has actually done an investigation and has the documentation to back it up goes on record officially, as Comey did--then we are at a different point.
Hillary and her team mishandled classified information. Eight chains contained Top Secret messages. Had I, when I was cleared at appropriate levels, done that I would have been locked up. No doubt about it.
Once the proof is out, it is still guilty until proven innocent...but similar information to what Comey said about Hillary Clinton would make me say that it would be best for him to resign. He would still have his right to be impeached and tried, or tried in court, as is applicable before leaving office.
We'll see what actually happens...
Quote: RonC"Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case."
--James B. Comey
Remember, I did not say that it was impossible that he is guilty. if we get to a similar point--where someone who has actually done an investigation and has the documentation to back it up goes on record officially, as Comey did--then we are at a different point.
Hillary and her team mishandled classified information. Eight chains contained Top Secret messages. Had I, when I was cleared at appropriate levels, done that I would have been locked up. No doubt about it.
Once the proof is out, it is still guilty until proven innocent...but similar information to what Comey said about Hillary Clinton would make me say that it would be best for him to resign. He would still have his right to be impeached and tried, or tried in court, as is applicable before leaving office.
We'll see what actually happens...
But silence when you learned that Jared and Ivanka were using private email addresses for government business. Got it.
Quote: gamerfreakQuote: RSQuote: MaxPenLet's take a moment and listen to Nancy. I think missing that flight caused her not to get her latest reptilian blood transfusion. Either that or she's hammered.
She didn’t slur her words at all. She made a lot of sense. Very fluid, lucid, and clear. She also sounds sober and I don’t think she has a mouth full of cotton balls.
Lol jk. She looks drunker than that time RBG got trashed at SOTU.
Weird video but I honestly don’t think she looks drunk.
She just looks like she is exhausted or not feeling well. Maybe she had to poop really bad or something right before going on camera.
She's definitely full of it!
#dadjoke
Quote: rsactuaryBut silence when you learned that Jared and Ivanka were using private email addresses for government business. Got it.
My position would be:
Any government employee using a private email service for the business of the government is in the wrong.
Anyone mishandling classified information should be sanctioned and/or prosecuted.
I believe Hillary may have gone a tad further than sending a few hundred emails outside of proper channels.
rsactuary--I think I said something like that a while back here, but who knows. I certainly don't remember every post... Did you read everything I have ever posted posted or did you just assume that I did or did not say something? Just wondering.
As far as Pelosi, she is obviously slowing down mentally. For God's sake she is 78! Would anyone here want a 78 year old anesthesiologist? A 78 year old airplane pilot? A 78 year old virtually anything? How can the Democrats not have a single Congressperson that they don't believe is more competent to be their leader in the House?
Whatever you think of Trump he does not appear to be slowing down physically, but mentally he has difficulty speaking in a clear and concise fashion, likely due to age and general mental deterioration. Biden is no better, maybe even a bit worse.
Get me some younger people that are not obviously past their prime!
They revere hate. Look who they run for President.Quote: SOOPOO... How can the Democrats not have a single Congressperson that they don't believe is more competent to be their leader in the House?
Quote: SOOPOOThis is the hundredth time or such that "this time we got him" has been written in this thread, but in actuality, the first 99 have not born fruit.
You don't know that... all of the "times" have been reports on what Mueller has uncovered.. but we haven't seen his report yet.
VERY rare for them to comment on anything.
LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
Mueller investigation goes on the record to dispute BuzzFeed report
https://www.axios.com/muellers-investigation-goes-on-the-record-to-deny-buzzfeed-report-a07f65a6-611a-42de-adf6-91f337ddfdf1.html?stream=top-stories&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=limstream
Quote:In a rare move, the office of special counsel Robert Mueller has gone on the record to dispute the bombshell BuzzFeed report from Thursday night, which claimed that the special counsel has evidence that President Trump directed Michael Cohen to lie to Congress.
The lefties panties must really be in a knot now
LOL LOL LOL LOL
Quote: beachbumbabsNo, they had a bunch of emails and documents from internal and WH correspondence that proved this stuff was going on, and other witness testimony that verified that, before Cohen admitted it. The docs and testimony proves Don Jr lied, Ivanka lied, Cohen lied, all under oath, and the President directed Cohen to lie WHILE PRESIDENT. That last is exactly why Nixon got impeached. They have some kind of physical evidence Trump did that, not just Cohen rolling over.
emphasis in above is mine
I must say you were right on target with this post.
Quote: FleaswatterThe lefties panties must really be in a knot now
LOL LOL LOL LOL
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My position has always been to wait for the Mueller report
Reading the tea leaves is nonsense
This is a very tightly run investigation with no leaks, that's the way its supposed to be.
Any wonder Kimberly Clark went up over 2% today? The run on Kleenex must have been huge.
Quote: BozAnother day of wishful thinking by the libs on here who hate Trump, but can’t give a legitimate reason why, or what he has done to personally hurt their lives.
Oh, I'm pretty sure he's a crook. And a conman. And I thought that before he was elected. And I still think he's going down eventually. Whether he resigns, forced out or prosecuted after leaving I don't know.
Never heard of the Chris Steele dossier?Quote: rxwineThat's about the first time I've seen Buzzfeed as a source for a big story. Well, their reporters blew it. Worse than never finding a big story is misreporting one.
If Barr's breathing down his neck fomented the reaction, so be it.Quote: gamerfreakThis gives the Mueller investigation even more integrity.
Quote: SanchoPanzaNever heard of the Chris Steele dossier?
I would say 2 strikes for Buzzfeed if they released it, but then the substance of that story couldn't be verified one way or another. You could just easily speculate either way and be wrong. This one has people available to immediately say something was wrong.
Anybody with a skeptical mind would see the problems with Steele, especially as there is now documentary proof via Bruce Ohr that the No. 4 official in the Justice Dept, had informed the DOJ and FBI hierarchies of the problems with its sponsorship and the improbability of verifying any of it.Quote: rxwineI would say 2 strikes for Buzzfeed if they released it, but then the substance of that story couldn't be verified one way or another. You could just easily speculate either way and be wrong. This one has people available to immediately say something was wrong.
Quote: SanchoPanzaAnybody with a skeptical mind would see the problems with Steele, especially as there is now documentary proof via Bruce Ohr that the No. 4 official in the Justice Dept, had informed the DOJ and FBI hierarchies of the problems with its sponsorship and the improbability of verifying any of it.
Anyone with a skeptical mind should check and double check anything Trump says at this point. If you can't see it, touch it, taste it, I would first doubt it. Trump claims the sun came up, I would check on it first probably. Whereas I don't know Steele from anyone.
Quote: rxwineAnyone with a skeptical mind should check and double check anything Trump says at this point. If you can't see it, touch it, taste it, I would first doubt it. Trump claims the sun came up, I would check on it first probably. Whereas I don't know Steele from anyone.
It's unfortunate that now a days people don't do the same thing with the news. Or even worse, that double-checking the news is necessary yet oftentimes futile.
EDIT: Just to be clear, I'm not accusing you of that (or the opposite of that). Just saying, in general.
Quote: rxwineI would say 2 strikes for Buzzfeed if they released it, but then the substance of that story couldn't be verified one way or another. You could just easily speculate either way and be wrong. This one has people available to immediately say something was wrong.
Buzzfeed could be way off
or
They got it right except for some details
Until the Mueller report comes out, nobody knows
Maybe it has not been sufficiently understood. The startling development is that Mueller, definitively the most knowledgable source in this instance, has clearly pronounced Buzzfeed totally off in its report. And not for the first time, the dirty tricks deparment of Comcast-NBC is doubling down on its report.Quote: terapinedBuzzfeed could be way off
or
They got it right except for some details
Until the Mueller report comes out, nobody knows
Quote: SanchoPanzaMaybe it has not been sufficiently understood. The startling development is that Mueller, definitively the most knowledgable source in this instance, has clearly pronounced Buzzfeed totally off in its report.
Could be
The key phrase from Mueller is "not accurate"
regardless, nobody except Mueller and his closest investigators know whats going on
I'm waiting for the report
I'm actually a bit taken aback how long this has been going on.
Cmon Mueller, show your hand. What are you holding? Do you have a hand or are you taking so long because you are on a draw
I'm thinking the more time Mueller takes, the worse it is for Trump
I cant imagine Mueller taking this long and then coming up with a nothing burger
Quote: terapinedBuzzfeed could be way off
or
They got it right except for some details
Until the Mueller report comes out, nobody knows
They seem to be leaning toward some details are maybe incorrect but the basic info is correct. I guess we'll see.
Really not good if they got it completely wrong. Gives ammo to attacking journalistic standards.
