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March 23rd, 2018 at 2:00:13 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

What do you think con artists do. What
do you think good televangelists do, they
con the crowd. I remember watching Opie
with a woman I know, and Opie had her
blubbering like a baby. I was stunned that
she couldn't see what a phony Opie was,
how she was playing the audience.



Playing an audience for entertainment (i.e., talk show host) is not con artistry in a criminal sense.

That's like saying actors are con artists for pretending to be other people.

You're talking like being a good entertainer is something bad or shameful.
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March 23rd, 2018 at 2:03:07 PM permalink
Oprah like Trump only needs a base big enough to get elected. She might have that.

From the standpoint that she might have just enough support to be a contender makes her a viable possibility. I don't think she will run, but I do think she might be able to get to the proper threshold, so can't ever rule that out even if it seems unlikely.
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March 23rd, 2018 at 2:07:18 PM permalink
An Oprah/Hillary ticket would be worth it just to see Hannity's eyes bleed on national TV.
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March 23rd, 2018 at 11:00:00 PM permalink
Quote:

President Trump's decision to name John Bolton as his new national security adviser was made despite his distaste for Bolton's mustache, according to multiple reports.

Trump's dislike for Bolton's mustache is well known.

Aides told The Washington Post in 2016 that Bolton's facial hair was one of several reasons Trump didn't pick him as his secretary of State. And The New York Times's Maggie Haberman reported Thursday that Trump spent a significant amount of time deriding Bolton for the mustache.



75& chance every word is true, and 100% chance it doesn't really matter, but whatever.

Maybe I'll send Trump a note of how filthy full of germs moustaches are and see if he gets fired. Every time he talks, bugs are flying out of his moustache and going in your nose and mouth. That sounds good.
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March 24th, 2018 at 12:02:22 AM permalink
I just google'd "bolton mustache" and this showed up:



That's actually pretty funny.
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March 24th, 2018 at 12:31:28 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

Good list. Similar to mine. I left off Bernie on purpose. He's too old, even though I think Joe Biden might be older.

I think Franken should not be counted out. Even if people think he's guilty (and I don't ), Trump.has paved the way for him with so much worse (and deliberate) behavior.

It's ok when Al Franken grabs a woman by the boobies while she's sleeping(there's proof), even after she had warned him that next time she may not be so friendly? But when Trump engages in lockerroom talk(no proof he grabbed anyone by anything) you are outraged?

FYI I have nothing against Al Franken.
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March 24th, 2018 at 12:58:53 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

It's ok when Al Franken grabs a woman by the boobies while she's sleeping(there's proof), even after she had warned him that next time she may not be so friendly? But when Trump engages in lockerroom talk(no proof he grabbed anyone by anything) you are outraged?

FYI I have nothing against Al Franken.



I am against ALL sexual assault
Always have been, always will
I spoke up against Bill Clinton back in the day because I am against sexual assault
I have no problem with Al Franken resigning. I expect it.
I am against ALL sexual assault regardless of politics
Donald Trump?
Of course I am against Donald Trump
Its Woman after Woman that has accused him
No way they are all lying
Donald Trump is a sexual assaulter just like Bill Clinton
Both are sickos
To accuse one but give the other a pass is hypocritical.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations
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March 24th, 2018 at 1:13:05 AM permalink
Quote: terapined


I have no problem with Al Franken resigning. I expect it.
I am against ALL sexual assault regardless of politics

Good for you, unfortunately, some people only care if certain people are accused of it.

let's take a look.
"I think Franken should not be counted out."

She (BBB)doesn't even think Al is guilty, even though, there are pictures showing him grabbing them by the boobies.

Will she(BBB) explain that away or justify it because he is a comedian and it's just grab assing and lockerroom play? Perhaps she will say she was talking about other stuff he's being accused of.

I'm just surprised she(BBB) thinks AF shouldn't be counted out as if it was no big deal what DEFINITELY transpired.

FYI I have no doubt Trump is a big horn dog and had many consenting sexual relationships with women.
I bet there were some women who loved the pussy grabbing.
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March 24th, 2018 at 1:33:31 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

It's ok when Al Franken grabs a woman by the boobies while she's sleeping(there's proof), even after she had warned him that next time she may not be so friendly? But when Trump engages in lockerroom talk(no proof he grabbed anyone by anything) you are outraged?

FYI I have nothing against Al Franken.



Well from a courtroom and legal perspective:

A person caught on tape saying he did the offense to another person

Combined with victims testimony

Is usually enough for a conviction

Trump caught on tape saying he does stuff like that

Dozens of women have come forward

He's guilty!

EDIT: combined with multiple examples of lying and false testimony by accused person doesn't help in court either
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March 24th, 2018 at 1:48:08 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

FYI I have no doubt Trump is a big horn dog and had many consenting sexual relationships with women.
I bet there were some women who loved the pussy grabbing.

Maybe he was making sure they were women like crocodile Dundee.
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March 24th, 2018 at 2:07:31 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Well from a courtroom and legal perspective:

A person caught on tape saying he did the offense to another person

Combined with victims testimony

Is usually enough for a conviction

Trump caught on tape saying he does stuff like that

Dozens of women have come forward

He's guilty!

EDIT: combined with multiple examples of lying and false testimony by accused person doesn't help in court either

Are you talking about the grab them by the pu**y tape? If so, the only thing I can tell from that tape is that he admitted that they LET him do it.
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March 24th, 2018 at 4:10:57 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

It's ok when Al Franken grabs a woman by the boobies while she's sleeping(there's proof), even after she had warned him that next time she may not be so friendly? But when Trump engages in lockerroom talk(no proof he grabbed anyone by anything) you are outraged?



I seem to remember her saying Bill Clinton's sexual harassment was "not impeachable." I'm not saying, I'm just saying........
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March 24th, 2018 at 5:08:28 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

It's ok when Al Franken grabs a woman by the boobies while she's sleeping(there's proof), even after she had warned him that next time she may not be so friendly? But when Trump engages in lockerroom talk(no proof he grabbed anyone by anything) you are outraged?

FYI I have nothing against Al Franken.



The song from the right, now that trump is accused of various things, is that Bill Clinton "lowered the bar" so it doesn't matter how trump is behaving.

By that standard, Franken's "grab 'em by the boobies" doesn't matter either.

I personally don't agree with that, but it is a logical consequence of the "lowered the bar" argument.
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March 24th, 2018 at 5:09:19 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Are you talking about the grab them by the pu**y tape? If so, the only thing I can tell from that tape is that he admitted that they LET him do it.



And of course Trump is a mindreader when he grabs women by the crotch they are just stretching their legs for him unquestionably

Like all rapists know: "she was just asking for it"
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March 24th, 2018 at 7:01:50 AM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

I seem to remember her saying Bill Clinton's sexual harassment was "not impeachable." I'm not saying, I'm just saying........



ROTFL
But you agree with her
You and Hill have a lot in common because you give Trump a pass on sexual assault
Hillary Clinton and AZ think alike
lol
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March 24th, 2018 at 7:54:23 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

It's ok when Al Franken grabs a woman by the boobies while she's sleeping(there's proof), even after she had warned him that next time she may not be so friendly? But when Trump engages in lockerroom talk(no proof he grabbed anyone by anything) you are outraged?

FYI I have nothing against Al Franken.



Sigh.

He wasn't touching her in the photo. It was parallax (the angle of the shot). It was a joke photo for the tour memory album, lIke a gag reel for a movie. Some on the plane claim she was in on it, and pretended to be asleep.

The entire tour was grab-ass, including her with other performers.(There's video proof).

Some of the people who toured with them have weighed in, and said it was a joke photo, they didn't hate each other, but weren't friends, and her raising an issue was opportunistic revisionism, not how it happened.

He had no intent to grab anyone inappropriately. I know him a little, and he's just not that kind of guy. (I went into a lot more detail over on DT at the time, not going to bore people here with an even longer recitation of it).

He was an entertainer and long-time writer for SNL at the time. That kind of humor was entirely in their wheelhouse.

Dozens of women who worked with him, on SNL, as a Senator, other things, put out written, attributable statements swearing to his integrity, his joking around (on the tour), his support of women in comedy and as team members. That part got ignored in the rush to judgment.

Trump, OTOH....

Years, even decades of stories, lawsuits, NDAs.

19 women complaining about him currently in non-consentual touching, groping, kissing, even statutory rape in at least one case. Almost surely many more constrained by NDAs they signed, since he's been using them for decades.

His own comments on Howard Stern and the Access Hollywood tape, bragging about going backstage to catch women naked, grabbing p!##y, forcing a kiss or a grope on them, etc.

How you even compare a smear job on Franken with the SELF-ADMITTED boorishness of Trump is just beyond me.

Thanks for the troll. I can hear you snickering at spooling me up from 2000 miles away. Enjoy.
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March 24th, 2018 at 8:17:24 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

And of course Trump is a mindreader when he grabs women by the crotch they are just stretching their legs for him unquestionably

Like all rapists know: "she was just asking for it"

I don't know if they were stretching their legs for him but I have no doubt many were willingly spreading their legs for him.

It's kinda funny that all anti Trumpers don't believe anything he says, but when it comes to some locker room guys talk you people take it as the gospel.
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March 24th, 2018 at 8:22:06 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

It's kinda funny that all anti Trumpers don't believe anything he says, but when it comes to some locker room guys talk you people take it as the gospel.



Because he didn't know he was mic'ed (spelling?) that time. And that's not locker room talk. That's sexual assault talk.
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March 24th, 2018 at 8:33:46 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I don't know if they were stretching their legs for him but I have no doubt many were willingly spreading their legs for him.

It's kinda funny that all anti Trumpers don't believe anything he says, but when it comes to some locker room guys talk you people take it as the gospel.



So your point is if many women willingly wanted sex with Donald that gave him the right and excuse to grope and rape those who didn't want it?
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March 24th, 2018 at 8:39:53 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

So your point is if many women willingly wanted sex with Donald that gave him the right and excuse to grope and rape those who didn't want it?

it's not that we don't believe anything he says

It's him getting caught saying lies on tape

He recently said the access Hollywood tape was a fraud

Months earlier said on camera he apologizes for the statements he made on that tape

Now would you call that lying?
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March 24th, 2018 at 8:50:15 AM permalink
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Sigh.

He wasn't touching her in the photo. It was parallax (the angle of the shot). It was a joke photo for the tour memory album, lIke a gag reel for a movie. Some on the plane claim she was in on it, and pretended to be asleep.

The entire tour was grab-ass, including her with other performers.(There's video proof).

Some of the people who toured with them have weighed in, and said it was a joke photo, they didn't hate each other, but weren't friends, and her raising an issue was opportunistic revisionism, not how it happened.

He had no intent to grab anyone inappropriately. I know him a little, and he's just not that kind of guy. (I went into a lot more detail over on DT at the time, not going to bore people here with an even longer recitation of it).

He was an entertainer and long-time writer for SNL at the time. That kind of humor was entirely in their wheelhouse.

Dozens of women who worked with him, on SNL, as a Senator, other things, put out written, attributable statements swearing to his integrity, his joking around (on the tour), his support of women in comedy and as team members. That part got ignored in the rush to judgment.

Trump, OTOH....

Years, even decades of stories, lawsuits, NDAs.

19 women complaining about him currently in non-consentual touching, groping, kissing, even statutory rape in at least one case. Almost surely many more constrained by NDAs they signed, since he's been using them for decades.

His own comments on Howard Stern and the Access Hollywood tape, bragging about going backstage to catch women naked, grabbing p!##y, forcing a kiss or a grope on them, etc.

How you even compare a smear job on Franken with the SELF-ADMITTED boorishness of Trump is just beyond me.

Thanks for the troll. I can hear you snickering at spooling me up from 2000 miles away. Enjoy.

There is more than just one woman accusing him of misconduct.

Should we not believe what Leeann Tweeden had to say about all this? "He comes in and just mashes his mouth against mine, and sticks his tongue in my mouth"
Regarding She claims she WAS sleeping and was not in on any gag.
Why should we believe what any woman has to say about sexual misconduct?
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March 24th, 2018 at 9:02:26 AM permalink
Smear job or not, Franken resigned because his DEM buddies told him to. If he was being unfairly treated his buddies should have supported him.
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March 24th, 2018 at 9:05:10 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

Sigh.

He wasn't touching her in the photo. It was parallax (the angle of the shot). It was a joke photo for the tour memory album, lIke a gag reel for a movie. Some on the plane claim she was in on it, and pretended to be asleep.

The entire tour was grab-ass, including her with other performers.(There's video proof).

Some of the people who toured with them have weighed in, and said it was a joke photo, they didn't hate each other, but weren't friends, and her raising an issue was opportunistic revisionism, not how it happened.

He had no intent to grab anyone inappropriately. I know him a little, and he's just not that kind of guy. (I went into a lot more detail over on DT at the time, not going to bore people here with an even longer recitation of it).

He was an entertainer and long-time writer for SNL at the time. That kind of humor was entirely in their wheelhouse.

Dozens of women who worked with him, on SNL, as a Senator, other things, put out written, attributable statements swearing to his integrity, his joking around (on the tour), his support of women in comedy and as team members. That part got ignored in the rush to judgment.

Trump, OTOH....

Years, even decades of stories, lawsuits, NDAs.

19 women complaining about him currently in non-consentual touching, groping, kissing, even statutory rape in at least one case. Almost surely many more constrained by NDAs they signed, since he's been using them for decades.

His own comments on Howard Stern and the Access Hollywood tape, bragging about going backstage to catch women naked, grabbing p!##y, forcing a kiss or a grope on them, etc.

How you even compare a smear job on Franken with the SELF-ADMITTED boorishness of Trump is just beyond me.

Thanks for the troll. I can hear you snickering at spooling me up from 2000 miles away. Enjoy.



It is amazing how blind you are when the villain is on your side of the aisle.

Lee Ann Tweeden
Lindsay Menz
Stephanie Kemplin
Tina Dupuy
Anonymous accuser #1 (Huff Post)
Anonymous accuser #2 (Huff Post)
Anonymous New England elected official
Former Democrat Congressional aide

Easy to find on by googling. But, as Mr. Franken says "It's not who I am" Right....... must be a conspiracy.
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March 24th, 2018 at 9:22:38 AM permalink
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It is amazing how blind you are when the villain is on your side of the aisle.



Say it again Trump (villain) supporter

Say it again

Say it again

Say it again
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March 24th, 2018 at 9:35:38 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

It is amazing how blind you are when the villain is on your side of the aisle.



Trump says that is the only way to Make America Great Again
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March 24th, 2018 at 9:38:48 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

It is amazing how blind you are when the villain is on your side of the aisle.

Lee Ann Tweeden
Lindsay Menz
Stephanie Kemplin
Tina Dupuy
Anonymous accuser #1 (Huff Post)
Anonymous accuser #2 (Huff Post)
Anonymous New England elected official
Former Democrat Congressional aide

Easy to find on by googling. But, as Mr. Franken says "It's not who I am" Right....... must be a conspiracy.



Its amazing how blind you are when the villain is on your side
Donald Trump disgusts me as ALL sexual assaulters disgust me

Jessica Leeds
Kristin Anderson
Cathy Heller
Temple Taggart McDowell
Karena Virginia
Mindy McGillivray
Rachel Crooks
Natasha Stoynoff
Juliet Huddy
Ninni Laaksonen
Cassandra Searles
Jessica Drake

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations
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March 24th, 2018 at 10:27:01 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I don't know if they were stretching their legs for him but I have no doubt many were willingly spreading their legs for him.

It's kinda funny that all anti Trumpers don't believe anything he says, but when it comes to some locker room guys talk you people take it as the gospel.



Franken admitted that it happened and he apologized, then resigned. Franken was a comedian at the time it happened. Franken likely has done anything sexually inappropriate while in politics (that we know of).

Trump has done nothing sexually inappropriate while in politics (that we know of). Before he went in for his run, he quite likely had multiple affairs early in his marriage to Melania and, as a playboy (even in Playboy videos), quite likely got around. He has self admitted to walking into Miss Universe changing rooms (collaborated by Universe contestants) and has admitted (through interviews with Stern) of sexual escapades.

So, far more than "locker room talk".

Since the bar is lowered, neither are disqualified for being president. Now whether Franken would get enough votes for the Dems, especially from women, is questionable. For that reason, and because of the current #MeToo movement, Franken shouldn't get the nomination, and he shouldn't run.

Frankly, there might be only two people *in* politics now for the Dems that I think have a shot: Joe Biden and Elizabeth Warren. Any other democrat candidate with a shot would come from outside of politics, and that would be a major Hollywood actor. Oprah could probably run and win.

Trump is ruining the Republican brand. With massive debt looming and a trade war coming with China and a stock market that's in correction mode, the midterms don't look good for the GOP.
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March 24th, 2018 at 10:39:19 AM permalink
Without quoting everyone.... GEEEZ Ed! I am not a Trump supporter. Did not vote for him. Hope he is not President in 2020. Not surprised he is not accomplishing his goals because they are NOT overall true Conservative goals, and he is not a Republican except when it suited his purpose, i.e., to run for President. Embarrassed about a large swath of what he says and does. You and others call me a Trump supporter because I state opinions that I think the country is better off than if HRC was President. That I don't want him removed because he was elected by the rules we play under. That I have some ideas that are in parallel with his, such as the importance of border security, tax reform, business friendly actions, etc. I say in parallel because I think he has failed at border security by focusing on the wall, failed at tax reform because he used it as a tool to punish liberal states, and failed at business actions by not realizing the impact his tariffs may have on the overall economy. Please don't call me a Trump supporter because I believe the "Russia" thing I believe is a big red herring. Because I don't believe there is a tape in Putin's library with him being peed on. Because I don't believe that Trump is beholden to anyone. Rant over....
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March 24th, 2018 at 11:03:58 AM permalink
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Franken admitted that it happened and he apologized, then resigned.

Tell that to Barbra. She makes him out to be a saint. Not really, but you get my point.

Who just said, "Its amazing how blind you are when the villain is on your side"
That goes for all sides and everyone.

Again, I'm not hating on Al Franken. I don't know enough about him or his or his politics to know if he would make a good president or not. I'm willing to give him a chance, I don't think he should be counted out.
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March 24th, 2018 at 11:26:37 AM permalink
I like al Franken as a senator but I don't feel he is strong enough to run the country

Case in point: he capitulated too easily under the pressure of this summer's scandal

Trump is a strong president. He's just a lying conniving rapist con artist idiot as well

We need someone strong in the white house without all that negative baggage

Doesn't have to Ghandi but can't be Putin on the Ritz either
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March 24th, 2018 at 11:30:00 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

I think the country is better off than if HRC was President.



I see people say this all the time, but they never say WHY we would be worse off if Hillary were President.

Quote: boymimbo

Any other democrat candidate with a shot would come from outside of politics, and that would be a major Hollywood actor.



I hope it's The Rock.
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March 24th, 2018 at 11:36:56 AM permalink
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Are you talking about the grab them by the pu**y tape? If so, the only thing I can tell from that tape is that he admitted that they LET him do it.



I don't believe any man can correctly guess what a woman wants 100% of time, so just by logic he is guilty of some sexual assaults. I just don't know how many.
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March 24th, 2018 at 11:49:04 AM permalink
Quote: TigerWu

I see people say this all the time, but they never say WHY we would be worse off if Hillary were President.



The simplest answer is the Supreme Court. It is pretty much neither "liberal" nor "conservative" now, which is as it should be. I think whoever HRC would have selected would have moved it too far to the left.
I think there would be more illegal immigrants here if HRC was President.
I think the "punish the rich" ideals of the Democrat party would be harder to stop if HRC was President.
If you think the pathetic budget bill Trump signed was bad, imagine what would have happened if HRC was President. At least there are SOME Republicans against the deficit explosion; there are no Democrats who feel that way.


I can go on and on.....
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March 24th, 2018 at 11:52:34 AM permalink
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The simplest answer is the Supreme Court. It is pretty much neither "liberal" nor "conservative" now, which is as it should be. I think whoever HRC would have selected would have moved it too far to the left.
I think there would be more illegal immigrants here if HRC was President.
I think the "punish the rich" ideals of the Democrat party would be harder to stop if HRC was President.
If you think the pathetic budget bill Trump signed was bad, imagine what would have happened if HRC was President. At least there are SOME Republicans against the deficit explosion; there are no Democrats who feel that way.


I can go on and on.....



Supreme court leaning is the mandate of every president. Each one will try to move the court one way or the other. In fact if you feel Hillary would have been successful at changing the supreme court's leanings that could be argued as being a very successful president
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March 24th, 2018 at 11:52:39 AM permalink
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Trump is ruining the Republican brand.



How many times are we going to hear the line about the "Republican Brand.?"

Funny you never hear about liberals "ruining the Democrat Brand." Promise to raise taxes or brag about making life easy for illegal aliens, you never hear it. Why?
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March 24th, 2018 at 12:18:01 PM permalink
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Sigh.

He wasn't touching her in the photo. It was parallax (the angle of the shot). It was a joke photo for the tour memory album, lIke a gag reel for a movie. Some on the plane claim she was in on it, and pretended to be asleep.

The entire tour was grab-ass, including her with other performers.(There's video proof).

Some of the people who toured with them have weighed in, and said it was a joke photo, they didn't hate each other, but weren't friends, and her raising an issue was opportunistic revisionism, not how it happened.

He had no intent to grab anyone inappropriately. I know him a little, and he's just not that kind of guy. (I went into a lot more detail over on DT at the time, not going to bore people here with an even longer recitation of it).

He was an entertainer and long-time writer for SNL at the time. That kind of humor was entirely in their wheelhouse.

Dozens of women who worked with him, on SNL, as a Senator, other things, put out written, attributable statements swearing to his integrity, his joking around (on the tour), his support of women in comedy and as team members. That part got ignored in the rush to judgment.

Quit trying to confuse the dialogue with facts.

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Trump, OTOH....

Years, even decades of stories, lawsuits, NDAs.

19 women complaining about him currently in non-consentual touching, groping, kissing, even statutory rape in at least one case. Almost surely many more constrained by NDAs they signed, since he's been using them for decades.

His own comments on Howard Stern and the Access Hollywood tape, bragging about going backstage to catch women naked, grabbing p!##y, forcing a kiss or a grope on them, etc.

How you even compare a smear job on Franken with the SELF-ADMITTED boorishness of Trump is just beyond me.

Thanks for the troll. I can hear you snickering at spooling me up from 2000 miles away. Enjoy.

Not going to disagree he is a boor, but that was all known when he was elected. If he rapes somebody than arrest him. I don't condone forcing women to do anything. But America needed change so badly, the public was willing to do anything to stop the ferris wheel of dynastic rule?

Sorry to say, this Omnibus bill tragedy exposes him to be just like the rest. So much for, "we won't get fooled again". https://youtu.be/zYMD_W_r3Fg
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March 24th, 2018 at 12:23:26 PM permalink
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Since the bar is lowered,....



Y'all drive me nuts.

News flash - There's only one bar, and YOU set it YOURSELF. If you lower it based on the actions of another, you're nothing but livestock, following wherever you're led regardless of who's leading. Sheep, pig, jackass, take your pick.

And if Team Blue needs someone to throw votes at, you will find (assuming things like this don't expire) that I am now of age and have only ever registered as (D). We'll have permanent daylight savings and an immediate and eternal switch to metric, but that's about as disruptive as I get. No criminal record, no criminal charges, I ain't even raped nobody before. Though perhaps this makes me underqualified...
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March 24th, 2018 at 12:30:01 PM permalink
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Are you talking about the grab them by the pu**y tape? If so, the only thing I can tell from that tape is that he admitted that they LET him do it.

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March 24th, 2018 at 1:05:55 PM permalink
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How many times are we going to hear the line about the "Republican Brand.?"

Funny you never hear about liberals "ruining the Democrat Brand." Promise to raise taxes or brag about making life easy for illegal aliens, you never hear it. Why?



Dems know that raising taxes is inevitable. You have a 1 trillion deficit this year while the economy is running excellently. You've lowered your revenues without reducing costs. The Republicans all of a sudden decided to throw away their conservative views on spending and go to town. It's disgusting.

Dems also know that they want to make life easier for DACA recipients. The GOP does too. As for "life easy for illegal aliens", ICE under Obama administration did not let up on illegal immigrants and while ICE removals did go up under Trump, they are nowhere near FY 2009 - 2013 removals averaging around 390,000 per year.

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March 24th, 2018 at 1:10:35 PM permalink
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I don't believe any man can correctly guess what a woman wants 100% of time, so just by logic he is guilty of some sexual assaults. I just don't know how many.

If you go by that logic most guys and gals would be guilty of some sexual assaults.
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March 24th, 2018 at 1:14:34 PM permalink
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If you go by that logic most guys and gals would be guilty of some sexual assaults.



Really?

I have made it a habit not to run up to strange women and smack their asses or grab their crotches

People who do like Trump are guilty of sexual assault

Tell you what. If i see you Axel I will rush up to you and grab you by your balls. I am sure:

A) you really wanted it
B) I'm not guilty of sexual assault

(Of course I would be guilty and no I never would grab axles crotch. Ewww!
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March 24th, 2018 at 1:32:34 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Really?

I have made it a habit not to run up to strange women

People who do like Trump are guilty of sexual assault

Tell you what. If i see you Axel I will rush up to you and grab you by your balls. I am sure:

A) you really wanted it
B) I'm not guilty of sexual assault

(Of course I would be guilty and no I never would grab axles crotch. Ewww!

Evidence that he rushes up to strange women smack their asses or grab their crotches?



You know danm well that's not what I was talking about when I said that.

I guess there are people who seem to be missing that part of their brain that picks up on tells and on what crossing the line with that individual and whats ok.
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March 24th, 2018 at 1:40:32 PM permalink
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Dems know that raising taxes is inevitable.



No, Dems prefer tax rates that punish higher earners. Go on YT and see them cheering it up when they raised taxes in 1993. Obama could not wait to raise taxes. He was just burned up that the top earners were not paying what they did under Clinton. Has nothing to do with the deficit, they will raise and spend.

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As for "life easy for illegal aliens", ICE under Obama administration did not let up on illegal immigrants and while ICE removals did go up under Trump, they are nowhere near FY 2009 - 2013 removals averaging around 390,000 per year.



Ever consider that this is because we have more illegal aliens than years past? It is more than Obama. Dems made CA a sanctuary state. Same CA give tuition breaks to illegal aliens. Across the nation, Dems try for the same. This is making life for illegal aliens easier. Oh, yeah, add in when Dems push for SNAP and welfare for illegals.
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March 24th, 2018 at 1:58:42 PM permalink
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No, Dems prefer tax rates that punish higher earners. Go on YT and see them cheering it up when they raised taxes in 1993. Obama could not wait to raise taxes. He was just burned up that the top earners were not paying what they did under Clinton. Has nothing to do with the deficit, they will raise and spend.



Ever consider that this is because we have more illegal aliens than years past? It is more than Obama. Dems made CA a sanctuary state. Same CA give tuition breaks to illegal aliens. Across the nation, Dems try for the same. This is making life for illegal aliens easier. Oh, yeah, add in when Dems push for SNAP and welfare for illegals.



When did dems push for snap and welfare for illegals

Please provide link
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March 24th, 2018 at 4:05:09 PM permalink
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No, Dems prefer tax rates that punish higher earners. Go on YT and see them cheering it up when they raised taxes in 1993. Obama could not wait to raise taxes. He was just burned up that the top earners were not paying what they did under Clinton. Has nothing to do with the deficit, they will raise and spend.



Raise and spend at least is better than cuts and spend, which is what Trump and the GOP are doing (with the Dem's blessing). The GOP stopped Obama from raising spending without cutting spending somewhere else. Where has that ideology gone? What happened to the fiscal conservatives? You can complain all you want about the Dems, but they haven't held the Senate since 2014 nor Congress since 2010.

You won't answer this. How do you defend tax cuts without spending cuts to match revenue. How do you defend a 1 trillion dollar deficit when the economy is so great? Where is Boz to say that his stocks are up 30% when all of the gains were wiped away with an ill-advised trade war?

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Ever consider that this is because we have more illegal aliens than years past? It is more than Obama. Dems made CA a sanctuary state. Same CA give tuition breaks to illegal aliens. Across the nation, Dems try for the same. This is making life for illegal aliens easier. Oh, yeah, add in when Dems push for SNAP and welfare for illegals.



As for "sanctuary states", you and I know what the law says. Being here unlawfully does not break any US criminal law. It breaks civil law. It is up to ICE to enforce immigration law, not LEO. California still communicates with ICE when unlawful immigrants break certain criminal laws and when those criminals are about to be released.

Tuition breaks for undocumented also exist in Texas, Florida, Kansas, Minnesota, Nebraska, New Mexico, Utah and 10 other states besides California. That loophole could easily be closed by the GOP Congress by making its law more clear. I don't know why you pick on California, when there are plenty of red states that do the same thing.
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March 24th, 2018 at 4:29:41 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

No, Dems prefer tax rates that punish higher earners. Go on YT and see them cheering it up when they raised taxes in 1993. Obama could not wait to raise taxes. He was just burned up that the top earners were not paying what they did under Clinton. Has nothing to do with the deficit, they will raise and spend.



Democrats tax and spend, Republicans borrow and spend. It's been like that since Nixon / Kennedy and both sides keep getting more and more extreme with every budget they work on. After the most recent budget, it is looking likely that Trump will be the most liberal spending president in history.

The only real difference between the two spending ideologies is pay now with taxes or pay later with debt. We pay more each year in debt than it would cost to build a Wall. The people Trump should be blaming for not having the money in the budget isn't the Democrats, it's Reagan and Bush who made sure our debt would cripple any future presidents ability take on any expensive pet project.

There is also the likely scenario that Mexico gave Trump money to build The Wall, but he already spent it on things other than trying to help our country.

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Ever consider that this is because we have more illegal aliens than years past? It is more than Obama. Dems made CA a sanctuary state. Same CA give tuition breaks to illegal aliens. Across the nation, Dems try for the same. This is making life for illegal aliens easier. Oh, yeah, add in when Dems push for SNAP and welfare for illegals.



Mostly because Trump is either too lazy or too incompetent to do anything about it. He whined that he didn't like spending bill, but signed it anyway because it's easier for him that actually working on a solution. That's not the Democrats, that's the Republican president and the Republican majority on both sides of Congress
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March 24th, 2018 at 4:35:58 PM permalink
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Tuition breaks for undocumented also exist in Texas, Florida, Kansas, Minnesota, Nebraska, New Mexico, Utah and 10 other states besides California.



Harvard, Yale, and Trump's alma-mater provide tuition-free education to any qualified student without regard to national origin. The military gives the GI Bill to servicemembers who aren't US citizens. It's not a matter of making life easier for illegals, it's that having a more educated country makes the quality of life better for everyone. Even Trump agrees with that
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March 24th, 2018 at 4:39:35 PM permalink
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Evidence that he rushes up to strange women smack their asses or grab their crotches?



I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab 'em by the pussy. You can do anything.

He said he does it, then a bunch of women came out and said he did it to them.
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March 24th, 2018 at 4:45:50 PM permalink
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I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab 'em by the pussy. You can do anything.

He said he does it, then a bunch of women came out and said he did it to them.



I agree but axelwolfs response is he only SAID he did it. You didn't actually see him do it.

And the corroborating females are not to be believed since everyone knows women love being groped by rich guys

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March 24th, 2018 at 9:16:56 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Really?

I have made it a habit not to run up to strange women and smack their asses or grab their crotches

People who do like Trump are guilty of sexual assault

Tell you what. If i see you Axel I will rush up to you and grab you by your balls. I am sure:

A) you really wanted it
B) I'm not guilty of sexual assault

(Of course I would be guilty and no I never would grab axles crotch. Ewww!



I'm not sure he has balls, to be honest.
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