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This is my 20,000th post. Should I retire now,
is 20K enough? Should this be my last post
at WoV?
Quote: EvenBobSee the poll above.
This is my 20,000th post. Should I retire now,
is 20K enough? Should this be my last post
at WoV?
How do your typing fingers feel? If there's no pain or swelling, I say keep on going, young man. You're an inspiration.
Quote: onenickelmiracleHow do you and duffman both decide to start and stop posting about the same time? What process is there, are others involved in the decision process? I like both you guys posting, just wondered why it is.
I don't think it was a coincidence that they both came over here very shortly after being suspended on Diversity Tomorrow, where they're both very active. I could be wrong.
Quote: EvenBobSee the poll above.
This is my 20,000th post. Should I retire now,
is 20K enough? Should this be my last post
at WoV?
Leave it at 20000 for a few months to drive folks nuts. Again!
Quote: AZDuffmanLeave it at 20000 for a few months to drive folks nuts. Again!
If you left it at 20000 for like 3 years, that would drive us crazy. So do that. Think about it, Evenbob posts 20001 on 1/1/2021. It would be a glorious post, telling us all the things you've learned in the last 3 years. It could celebrate Donald Trump's reelection with 39% of the popular vote. Boy, that would be something.
In the mean time, he might write a book about how to best survive on a message board. Format and all.Quote: FinsRuleIf you left it at 20000 for like 3 years, that would drive us crazy. So do that. Think about it, Evenbob posts 20001 on 1/1/2021. It would be a glorious post, telling us all the things you've learned in the last 3 years. It could celebrate Donald Trump's reelection with 39% of the popular vote. Boy, that would be something.
I knew something was up.Quote: beachbumbabsI don't think it was a coincidence that they both came over here very shortly after being suspended on Diversity Tomorrow, where they're both very active. I could be wrong.
I thought there was a chance Bob was suspended from DT, but I thought the suspension carried over to both sites?
Quote: AxelWolfI knew something was up.
I thought there was a chance Bob was suspended from DT, but I thought the suspension carried over to both sites?
Universal default is no longer in effect. Hard to say when it faded away. Not as many suspensions at DT in the first place.
Quote: AZDuffmanUniversal default is no longer in effect. Hard to say when it faded away. Not as many suspensions at DT in the first place.
I never went over there even after I learned about it, but I thought you couldn't get canned over there. What happened? Did you kill someone?
Quote: bobbartopI never went over there even after I learned about it, but I thought you couldn't get canned over there. What happened? Did you kill someone?
Safe Space issue.
Anyone can have a completely fictional presence here and use VPN to mask their identity. It's completely possible!
(but unlikely...)
Quote: boymimboI always thought AZ and EB was the same person.
Impossible.
One is better looking to the ladies
The other one is way smarter.
Quote: onenickelmiracleAnyone feel like sorting through Evenbobs 20,000 posts looking for duplicates, so they can get deleted, therefore not reaching 20,000 posts. Lol.
The counter still shows the posts were made even if they're deleted. They're just not available individually any more.
I like your devious mind, though. Lol back.
Quote: boymimboI always thought AZ and EB was the same person.
They had a rare disagreement on Uber and Lyft. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. I think AZD's position was it was a natural and healthy economic response to overcharging and long-hauling by the cabbing business. Don't even get EB started on how much he hates Uber and Lyft.
Again, if I'm not representing their positions correctly, please correct me.
Quote: 1MatterToMotionIn the mean time, he might write a book about how to best survive on a message board. Format and all.
So who did you used to be?
Quote: DeMangoSo who did you used to be?
lol I was thinking the same thing, and I haven't even been here that long.
Quote: WizardThey had a rare disagreement on Uber and Lyft. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. I think AZD's position was it was a natural and healthy economic response to overcharging and long-hauling by the cabbing business. Don't even get EB started on how much he hates Uber and Lyft.
Again, if I'm not representing their positions correctly, please correct me.
Wait what? EB has a negative opinion on something. I would never have believed that.
Quote: WizardThey had a rare disagreement on Uber and Lyft. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. I think AZD's position was it was a natural and healthy economic response to overcharging and long-hauling by the cabbing business. Don't even get EB started on how much he hates Uber and Lyft.
Again, if I'm not representing their positions correctly, please correct me.
We disagree on several things. Biggest being if there is a God. Bob is an atheist. My position is anyone who wants to defend their position of no god needs to explain to me how life formed from nothing since science has proven that is not possible.
Quote: AZDuffmanMy position is anyone who wants to defend their position of no god needs to explain to me how life formed from nothing since science has proven that is not possible.
And you and the believers need to explain how a god or gods formed from nothing since science has proven THAT isn't possible.
Quote: IbeatyouracesAnd you and the believers need to explain how a god or gods formed from nothing since science has proven THAT isn't possible.
Because that is the point of God, he is above science and what it can explain. I don't recall science proving God is not possible. Do you have a good link or cite?
Ball back in your court. How did life form from nothing when science says this is not possible.
From where came nothing? Is it, nothing still here?Quote: AZDuffmanHow did life form from nothing when science says this is not possible.
Does science not say that the universe sprang from nothingness? A negative vacuum, or something?
Quote: 1MatterToMotionFrom where came nothing? Is it, nothing still here?
Does science not say that the universe sprang from nothingness? A negative vacuum, or something?
1. Law of conservation of matter says matter can neither be created nor destroyed, merely transformed. IOW, matter creation had to come from something supernatural, or some sort of God for those not afraid of the word.
2. Spontaneous Generation has been disproven. IOW, when life first formed, it had to come from some sort of God. Or say "Mother Nature" if you are afraid of the word.
Still waiting for someone to disprove the above.
Quote: AZDuffman1. Law of conservation of matter says matter can neither be created nor destroyed, merely transformed. IOW, matter creation had to come from something supernatural, or some sort of God for those not afraid of the word.
2. Spontaneous Generation has been disproven. IOW, when life first formed, it had to come from some sort of God. Or say "Mother Nature" if you are afraid of the word.
Still waiting for someone to disprove the above.
Projection. Those who fear the word God think it has relevance or meaning. Atheists think neither, by definition.
Quote: beachbumbabsProjection. Those who fear the word God think it has relevance or meaning. Atheists think neither, by definition.
Actually agnostics think like you say here. Atheists actively deny existence of a God. I one had a wacky atheist girl got upset that I casually used the phrase, "That is God's way of......." to explain something. She nearly blew a gasket, said she was "not religious." I said what was "religious" about it?
She says, "THAT word!"
Atheists think God has meaning, they just deny he exists. Meaning that said meaning is a problem for their position. This is why atheists demand "freedom from religion" down to trying to ban the word "Christmas" in a public setting.
Quote: AZDuffman1. Law of conservation of matter says matter can neither be created nor destroyed, merely transformed. IOW, matter creation had to come from something supernatural, or some sort of God for those not afraid of the word.
2. Spontaneous Generation has been disproven. IOW, when life first formed, it had to come from some sort of God. Or say "Mother Nature" if you are afraid of the word.
Still waiting for someone to disprove the above.
Quote:“We have very good evidence that there was a Big Bang, so the universe as we know it almost certainly started some 14 billion years ago. But was that the absolute beginning, or was there something before it?” asks Alexander Vilenkin, a cosmologist at Tufts University near Boston. It seems like the kind of question that can never be truly answered because every time someone proposes a solution, someone else can keep asking the annoying question: What happened before that?
But now Vilenkin says he has convincing evidence in hand: The universe had a distinct beginning — though he can’t pinpoint the time. After 35 years of looking backward, he says, he’s found that before our universe there was nothing, nothing at all, not even time itself.
Quote:That would soon change. In late 1979, a Stanford physics postdoc named Alan Guth offered an explanation for the explosive force behind the Big Bang. Guth’s intellectual leap stemmed from theories in particle physics, which held that at extremely high energies — far higher than could ever be reached in a laboratory — a special state of matter would turn gravity upside down, rendering it a repulsive rather than an attractive force.
Quote:Of course, Lucretius had never heard of quantum mechanics and inflationary cosmology, 20th-century fields that contest his bold claim. “We usually say that nothing can be created out of nothing because we think it would violate the law of conservation of energy,” a hallowed principle in physics holding that energy can neither be created nor destroyed, Vilenkin explains. So how could you create a universe with matter in it, where there had been nothing before?
“The way the universe gets around that problem is that gravitational energy is negative,” Vilenkin says. That’s a consequence of the fact, mathematically proven, that the energy of a closed universe is zero: The energy of matter is positive, the energy of gravitation is negative, and they always add up to zero. “Therefore, creating a closed universe out of nothing does not violate any conservation laws.”
http://discovermagazine.com/2013/september/13-starting-point
Incidentally, there is no mass inside a black hole. It's all shaken apart to the energy that curves the space-time continuum around it.
Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: IbeatyouracesAnd you and the believers need to explain how a god or gods formed from nothing since science has proven THAT isn't possible.
Because that is the point of God, he is above science and what it can explain. I don't recall science proving God is not possible. Do you have a good link or cite?
Ball back in your court. How did life form from nothing when science says this is not possible.
Stephan Hawking can not explain it. You are expecting someone smarter than him on this board?
Quote: DeMango
Stephan Hawking can not explain it. You are expecting someone smarter than him on this board?
I am expecting people to at least allow for the *possibility* of a God. However, on this very board when I have gone down that road I have had atheists go crazy on me. A good scientist will allow for the possibility of a God no matter their beliefs. But the atheists on here are atheist fundamentalists. No veering from the official line.
As an atheist I am comfortable saying "I do not know the answer."
The notion of constructing a belief system which incoproates a Holy Ghost, a Virgin Mother and pedophile priests puts me off my feed.
I think that God is possibility, itself, as matter or a certainty. The matter we are or aren't isn't quite the same, so when we think we are the important ones, it's hard to see who or what actually is.Quote: AZDuffmanI am expecting people to at least allow for the *possibility* of a God.
Quote: DeMangoSo who did you used to be?
I refer to Trump having written a book on winning something. Maybe, EB could do the same?
Quote: MrVAs an atheist I am comfortable saying "I do not know the answer."
People love to over complicate everything.
An atheist is perfectly comfortable saying
'I don't know' to any question he doesn't
know the answer to. By comparison, far
too many people have to make up a god
and blame everything they don't understand
on him. Atheists are perfectly happy waiting
for the science and proof of something. We
feel no need to make up fairy tales to explain
things in the meantime.
Quote: EvenBobPeople love to over complicate everything.
An atheist is perfectly comfortable saying
'I don't know' to any question he doesn't
know the answer to. By comparison, far
too many people have to make up a god
and blame everything they don't understand
on him. Atheists are perfectly happy waiting
for the science and proof of something. We
feel no need to make up fairy tales to explain
things in the meantime.
I'm confused! your claiming to be waiting for
proof in one sentence and claiming you
already know its a fairy tale in another.
Quote: rainmanI'm confused! your claiming to be waiting for
proof in one sentence and claiming you
already know its a fairy tale in another.
You can't prove any god exists, just
like you can't prove Santa or Jack
and the Beanstalk exists. They are
all fairy tales until proven otherwise.
A plane leaving the ground looks like
a miracle to me, how is it even possible.
But we know and can prove the science
behind it, there's no need for any other
explanation.
Never in my life have I heard a scientist
come to the conclusion that the final
answer is god. Unless they were taught
it as a child, it never even occurs to them.
Why would it.
Quote: EvenBobYou can't prove any god exists, just
like you can't prove Santa or Jack
and the Beanstalk exists. They are
all fairy tales until proven otherwise.
A plane leaving the ground looks like
a miracle to me, how is it even possible.
But we know and can prove the science
behind it, there's no need for any other
explanation.
Never in my life have I heard a scientist
come to the conclusion that the final
answer is god. Unless they were taught
it as a child, it never even occurs to them.
Why would it.
I agree, I'm just saying God cannot be proven or dis proven that's
my stance.
Quote: EvenBob
Never in my life have I heard a scientist
come to the conclusion that the final
answer is god. Unless they were taught
it as a child, it never even occurs to them.
Why would it.
Have any scientists come to the conclusion that there is no God? Certainly, it occurs to them all the time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_of_evil_(cosmology)
Other universal anomalies point to the same types of queries.
Quote: rainmanI agree, I'm just saying God cannot be proven or dis proven that's
my stance.
Neither can scads of other things, so why
give them any thoughts at all. God deserves
no more thought time than do Leprechans
or mermaids. What would be the point.
People who sit around all day worrying
about what some silly god thinks of them
are wasting their time in a monumental
fashion.
Quote: EvenBobNeither can scads of other things, so why
give them any thoughts at all. God deserves
no more thought time than do Leprechans
or mermaids. What would be the point.
People who sit around all day worrying
about what some silly god thinks of them
are wasting their time in a monumental
fashion.
I will disagree here, to
contemplate a creator of the
universe and all things in it
including man himself from
a scientific stand point seems
a little more legit than contemplating
Leprechans or bigfoot who's existence
or not would be meaningless to our lives.
on the other hand the existence of a
god would be significantly impactful.
Quote: rainmanI will disagree here, to
contemplate a creator of the
universe and all things in it
including man himself from
a scientific stand point seems
a little more legit .
Only because you want it to be.
There is no other reason to do
it, there is no basis for the
supernatural in this existence.
It's all superstition and poppycock,
which science proves on a daily
basis.
Quote: EvenBobOnly because you want it to be.
There is no other reason to do
it, there is no basis for the
supernatural in this existence.
It's all superstition and poppycock,
which science proves on a daily
basis.
No sir your forming an opinion
for me. the discovery of An almighty who has
power over you would be far
more impactful than a mermaid.
It's not what I want it's just what is.
Remember I choose to come from a
place that is neither for or against
it is the only way I can find truth.
Quote: rainmanNo sir your forming an opinion
for me. the discovery of An almighty who has
power over you would be far
more impactful than a mermaid.
It's not what I want it's just what is.
Remember I choose to come from a
place that is neither for or against
it is the only way I can find truth.
There is good science versus bad science, but neither quite make it into the realm of no religion versus religion. Eg, cold fusion was never about the existence of God.
Someone mentioned, earlier, in this thread that God lies outside of space-time. It will take a special type of science to go the distance.
Quote: rainmanthe discovery of An almighty
'Discovery', like he's hiding behind a
tree waiting to pop out at you? I'll
wait till the discovery is actually made
and in the meantime, go on like he
doesn't exist. Which, of course, obviously,
he does not.
Quote: MaxPenI believe in God because there is absolutely no benefit in not believing. How can an AP not believe in God?
Same reason we don't believe in luck. Neither exists.
Quote: IbeatyouracesSame reason we don't believe in luck. Neither exists.
I see you like to take chances.😆👹👹😈😱
Quote: MaxPenI believe in God because there is absolutely no benefit in not believing.
Depends on how fanatical your belief
is. If you spend all day worrying about
pleasing a god, and advising others to
do the same, like FrG the priest does,
it can be very harmful indeed. It can
stop you from living your own life
and instead living it for a fairy tale.
(I alerted FrG, he can defend his
defenseless position if he wants)
