AxelWolf
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December 8th, 2017 at 2:54:35 PM permalink
I just watched the video and it was very disturbing.

http://www.tmz.com/2017/12/07/mesa-police-involved-shooting-bodycam-philip-brailsford-not-guilty-daniel-shaver/

Daniel Shaver was sobbing on his knees while begging the cops not to shoot him.

Brailsford's(the cop who shot him) AR-15 rifle had the words "You're fucked" inscribed on the side of it.

I don't know how anyone can justify this senseless horrible execution(It was an execution IMO). I'm sure there are a few trolls that will try.
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December 8th, 2017 at 3:11:07 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I just watched the video and it was very disturbing.

http://www.tmz.com/2017/12/07/mesa-police-involved-shooting-bodycam-philip-brailsford-not-guilty-daniel-shaver/

Daniel Shaver was sobbing on his knees while begging the cops not to shoot him.

Brailsford's(the cop who shot him) AR-15 rifle had the words "You're fucked" inscribed on the side of it.

I don't know how anyone can justify this senseless horrible execution(It was an execution IMO). I'm sure there are a few trolls that will try.



In better and offsetting news, the jerk cop who killed the fleeing runner in North Charleston got 20 years in prison this week. The one who shot 5 times in the back, then dropped a throw down beside the body as the guy lay dying, all caught on bystander video. That one really bugged me because I used to live and work there.

I do think the evil clown who killed all the blacks in the downtown church might have had something to do with the verdict and sentencing , though. If so, a little bit of overdue correction in a city that definitely had a double standard when I lived there in the 90's.

I agree this was an execution. A good example of Arizona "justice", the land of Arpaio and Brewer, among others. Nasty. Several people I like live there, including a couple in here. Not sure how y'all stand it.
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December 8th, 2017 at 3:17:17 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I just watched the video and it was very disturbing.

http://www.tmz.com/2017/12/07/mesa-police-involved-shooting-bodycam-philip-brailsford-not-guilty-daniel-shaver/

Daniel Shaver was sobbing on his knees while begging the cops not to shoot him.

Brailsford's(the cop who shot him) AR-15 rifle had the words "You're fucked" inscribed on the side of it.

I don't know how anyone can justify this senseless horrible execution(It was an execution IMO). I'm sure there are a few trolls that will try.



What motive do you think the executioner had? What did you think the jury might have seen that you might not have? 12 people unanimously votednot guilty, correct? Why do you think that is?
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December 8th, 2017 at 3:40:23 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I just watched the video and it was very disturbing.

http://www.tmz.com/2017/12/07/mesa-police-involved-shooting-bodycam-philip-brailsford-not-guilty-daniel-shaver/

Daniel Shaver was sobbing on his knees while begging the cops not to shoot him.

Brailsford's(the cop who shot him) AR-15 rifle had the words "You're fucked" inscribed on the side of it.

I don't know how anyone can justify this senseless horrible execution(It was an execution IMO). I'm sure there are a few trolls that will try.


Good god, there is no doubt in my mind that cop is a sadistic murderer.

He is clearly getting off on the power of the situation, hearing the guy beg for his life, giving bizarrely confusing instructions like some kind of Fd up sadistic Simon Says.

That went into the situation itching to kill someone. When the poor guy tried to adjust his pants, the cop saw his opportunity and took it. Absolutely disgusting.
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December 8th, 2017 at 4:02:20 PM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

12 people unanimously votednot guilty, correct? Why do you think that is?


In many cases, jurors actually think a defendant is guilty but not enough evidence to convict.
Not guilty often does not mean the jurors think a person is innocent
Sometimes its a poor prosecution case
or
Weak police investigation resulting in weak evidence to create a tiny bit of doubt
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December 8th, 2017 at 4:10:00 PM permalink
According to Wikipedia, the body-cam footage was released on Dec. 8'th and it appears (my interpretation) was not used in the trial, because of something about a right to a fair trial (that part doesn't make sense to me).
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December 8th, 2017 at 4:11:52 PM permalink
Quote: RS

According to Wikipedia, the body-cam footage was released on Dec. 8'th and it appears (my interpretation) was not used in the trial, because of something about a right to a fair trial (that part doesn't make sense to me).


I think it was presented as evidence in the trial, and not released to the general public until afterwards for a fair trial.
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December 8th, 2017 at 4:13:17 PM permalink
Quote: terapined

In many cases, jurors actually think a defendant is guilty but not enough evidence to convict.
Not guilty often does not mean the jurors think a person is innocent
Sometimes its a poor prosecution case
or
Weak police investigation resulting in weak evidence to create a tiny bit of doubt


or they think the person is guilty of a crime, just not the crime the prosecution charged them with
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December 8th, 2017 at 4:22:57 PM permalink
Ah, you're right. I'm over here multi-tasking and read the thing too quickly.


I didn't really want to watch the whole video because I don't really want to watch someone get shot, no matter the circumstances. But I did see the final part where he did get shot and I could see how that may be enough to put probable doubt or whatever into the jury's minds. I don't know what kind of information the policeman had going into it, but if someone is presumably armed and they make a quick motion to their hip......well, if it was me, I'm shooting first and asking second. I'm not gonna be the guy who got shot because I wanted to be 1000% sure the guy was armed. Put yourself in his shoes, as they say.

I'm not saying the policeman is innocent nor he was in the right, especially with the bizarre orders and all that stuff. Just saying how I can see why the jury would have possible doubt.
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December 8th, 2017 at 7:26:53 PM permalink
The officer's orders were confusing, AT BEST. How would you react if you were SOBER, and had an officer screaming at you "I WILL SHOOT YOU IF YOU MESS UP AGAIN", while brandishing a MILITARY grade firearm? Now remember that the man in the video is INTOXICATED. The man is BALLING his EYES out, begging and pleading with the officer. In the video you can see the man waddling on his knees trying to keep his shorts up. He made the fatal error of reaching toward his waistband to pull up his slumping shorts.

Police need to be better trained here in the U.S. to not be so trigger happy. The victim was SH!TT!NG his pants the moment cops showed up. This is the kind of stuff that happens in POVERTY-STRICKEN THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES, NOT THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!

This video has made me ashamed to be an American. It is just yet another example of the over-use of force by police officers. Philip Brailsford was the judge, jury, and executioner. Why was the man instructed to crawl forward? There was another officer present that could have easily handcuffed the man when he was laying on the ground. Where was the professional judgement on the officers' part? When you point an assault rifle at somebody and threaten to kill them, the average citizen is going to be beyond terrified and may have trouble complying out of sheer terror.


In the U.S., it is the police officers that are given the benefit of the doubt, and it is the citizen that is expected to remain calm and act without error in stressful situations.

There is also civil asset forfeiture, but that warrants its own topic.


This is why many law-abiding, tax-paying, productive members of society dislike the police

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