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November 10th, 2017 at 5:41:57 PM permalink
In the wake of the LV shooting, will we see authorities looking deeper into the predatory gaming practices of the casinos? I for one believe that predatory gaming practices contributed to the shooters state of mind. I believe that the MGM is culpable.



I've read that the shooter was beginning to possibly experience some financial problems from his gambling. A gambling problem that reminds me of Terrance Watanabe, but on a much smaller scale. Casinos are aware of whom the sick and degenerate gamblers are on their floors, yet they choose to continue feeding on their junkies while banning and turning away the winners. Such predatory gambling practices can lead the addicts into a darker frame of mind.



Does anyone believe that such predatory gaming practices will be investigated further and that new legislation may come from it?
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November 10th, 2017 at 6:05:03 PM permalink
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In the wake of the LV shooting, will we see authorities looking deeper into the predatory gaming practices of the casinos? I for one believe that predatory gaming practices contributed to the shooters state of mind. I believe that the MGM is culpable.



I've read that the shooter was beginning to possibly experience some financial problems from his gambling. A gambling problem that reminds me of Terrance Watanabe, but on a much smaller scale. Casinos are aware of whom the sick and degenerate gamblers are on their floors, yet they choose to continue feeding on their junkies while banning and turning away the winners. Such predatory gambling practices can lead the addicts into a darker frame of mind.



Does anyone believe that such predatory gaming practices will be investigated further and that new legislation may come from it?



I don't believe there will be any gaming changes in Vegas due to the shooting. Security changes, probably.
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November 10th, 2017 at 7:46:29 PM permalink
I donít really have an informed opinion on gaming practices, but I will say that large strip property night clubs/pools do things that range from scummy to downright irresponsible.

The Flamingo pool for example, they check everything in your bag absolutely meticulously. Not for weapons, which Iím sure is their excuse, but to keep you from being in any type of beverage (even non-alcoholic). They will stand there and open up every sunscreen bottle and verify the contents.

Obviously they donít want you to sneak in with a flask and drink for free. But thatís not the problem. The problem is that THEY WILL NOT SERVE YOU WATER FOR FREE. You can only buy bottled water for a WHOPPING TEN DOLLARS. Seriously, people has been boozing all day in the desert heat and youíre going to force them to pay a 1000% markup to hydrate? Go F yourself. That goes so far beyond greed to absolutly psychopathic negligence for the safety of guests.
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November 10th, 2017 at 9:50:19 PM permalink
Itís going to take huge leap of faith to connect the dots between predatory practices you describe and events of 10/1. Even if a motive note is eventually found that makes it easier to connect the dots, itís still going to be hard to connect the dots.

Frankly, I think most people find it hard to believe that any type of beefed up security and modified Do Not Disturb rules would have prevented the massacre.
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November 10th, 2017 at 10:37:00 PM permalink
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I don't believe there will be any gaming changes in Vegas due to the shooting. Security changes, probably.

Agreed.
The casino's attitude is similar to a movie theater frisking everyone to make sure you don't bring in outside candy or popcorn.
The swimming pools are separate profit centers and will be treated that way.

Are there still Bottle Clubs in Vegas? 800 dollars a bottle is outrageous but at least they tell you that in advance.

Now, no such predatory practices are present in the casino itself. If you can no longer afford the High Limit room you've got the entire casino to play in.

If the shooter was having a run of bad luck it was not affecting his ability to buy guns or airline tickets.
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November 10th, 2017 at 10:37:00 PM permalink
If you are falling down drunk in the corridors that is one thing but if you are falling off your chair in the casino they will indeed stop your gambling. Its not really predatory.
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November 11th, 2017 at 12:24:18 AM permalink
Quote: gamerfreak

I donít really have an informed opinion on gaming practices, but I will say that large strip property night clubs/pools do things that range from scummy to downright irresponsible.

The Flamingo pool for example, they check everything in your bag absolutely meticulously. Not for weapons, which Iím sure is their excuse, but to keep you from being in any type of beverage (even non-alcoholic). They will stand there and open up every sunscreen bottle and verify the contents.

Obviously they donít want you to sneak in with a flask and drink for free. But thatís not the problem. The problem is that THEY WILL NOT SERVE YOU WATER FOR FREE. You can only buy bottled water for a WHOPPING TEN DOLLARS. Seriously, people has been boozing all day in the desert heat and youíre going to force them to pay a 1000% markup to hydrate? Go F yourself. That goes so far beyond greed to absolutly psychopathic negligence for the safety of guests.



Why do you think its okay for a club to charge $800 for a $40 bottle of liquor or $18 for a mixed drink with fifty cents worth of liquor and a nickels worth of soda but not to charge for water? What I find ridiculous is that people pay these prices.
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November 11th, 2017 at 1:38:59 AM permalink
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dinner last night at a great place called the Parkway Tavern. Sam Stout on tap, nicely done sliders, and fried stuffed mushrooms. Came to about $18. Stopped by a Strip Casino to met a friend in town with a trade show for a nitecap and they were charging $16 for a Gentleman Jack and Coke. They comped the drinks when we said we'd play some video poker.

Well, video poker is the business they are in. Though all those Parkway Taverns offer video gambling also. Casinos price everything high but the real business is always gaming, not over priced drinks.

Its these separate profit centers such as pools and restaurants that royally screw their customers.
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November 11th, 2017 at 7:23:07 AM permalink
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Its these separate profit centers such as pools and restaurants that royally screw their customers.



I disagree. The customers screw themselves by paying the prices.
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November 21st, 2017 at 3:45:46 PM permalink
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Why do you think its okay for a club to charge $800 for a $40 bottle of liquor or $18 for a mixed drink with fifty cents worth of liquor and a nickels worth of soda but not to charge for water? What I find ridiculous is that people pay these prices.
Bags checks are for 1) weapons, 2) drugs, 3) contraband. Used to be big on looking for those laser pointers but that craze has died down. Had dinner last night at a great place called the Parkway Tavern. Sam Stout on tap, nicely done sliders, and fried stuffed mushrooms. Came to about $18. Stopped by a Strip Casino to met a friend in town with a trade show for a nitecap and they were charging $16 for a Gentleman Jack and Coke. They comped the drinks when we said we'd play some video poker.


I think they should charge whatever people are willing to pay for alcoholic drinks. But charging for water in an environment that is designed to encourage large amounts of alcohol consumption is completely irresponsible, ESPECIALLY in cases when the environment is outside in the god damn Mohave desert.

Youíve owned bars, you know that water between drinks is an easy way for someone to make sure they donít belligerently drunk. Itís the first thing you give someone who has had a re too many or is approaching that point. But nope, thatíll be &10z

$1-$2 for bottled water might be passable, but bars not only charging for water, but outright price gouging water, isnt much different than charging to use the bathroom in my opinion.

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