SHOOTING at Mandalay festival
Initial reports were confusing and often just said victims or wounded or injured. Some more précised data was collected in the medical narratives and the after-action reports at trauma and non-trauma hospitals, a few of which have been published in various emergency medicine journals. The problem with 'numbers' is that a person transported to one hospital is counted then perhaps transported to a different hospital and counted again and perhaps transported to a specialty ward where he gets counted again. Record keeping is the lowest priority since color tagging the patient and writing ON the patient is a priority, keeping a chart is not.Quote: petroglyphDid anyone ever see how many people out of the total were injured from being trampled versus shot?
All I recall at the moment was that first arrival of two police cars in the ambulance bay: eight patients, four thought dead but not black tagged, all were GSW since the initial scoop and runs were taking the most bloody victims.
Even at that teeny bopper sex concert in Manchester, most injuries were stampede victims, not bomb fragments or plastic shrapnel.
Eh? Forget Germany, Serbia, Africa, Iran/Iraq, Russia and genocides of many more countries. All mass murderers.Quote: MrVNo, the "best we can hope for" is that the psychological health and happiness of the body politic will improve to such a degree that even the thought of planning such a massacre would never occur to anyone.
We didn't have this sort of thing "back in the day;" what changed?
Nothing has changed.
Quote: sammydvEh? Forget Germany, Serbia, Africa, Iran/Iraq, Russia and genocides of many more countries. All mass murderers.
Nothing has changed.
They were political.
This wasn't.
Quote: GWAENow that's some bad luck. Final destination anyone?
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/11/25/las-vegas-massacre-survivor-killed-in-hit-and-run.html
Something similar happened to a friend of mine.
Survived three tours of Iraq and Afghanistan, gets out of the Army, walking down the road one day and gets hit and killed by a drunk driver.
Some people learn a state of hypervigilance. In WW2 soldiers were told to never pass up a chance to eat, sleep or take a bath, but they were also reminded that the enemy knew of that advice. Even in Vietnam soldiers soon learned that attacks came in the dead of night, the radio shack was the first target, the ammo dump the next one. It was a state of constant alertness or die.Quote: TigerWuSurvived three tours of Iraq and Afghanistan, gets hit and killed by a drunk driver.
You can see similar actions in other areas. People who lock their car doors even if walking just a few feet away for a brief time. People whose keys always go in the same pocket. People who carry something in their off hand to keep their gunhand unencumbered and unfatigued. People who count their change each and every time.
Although we often read of such stories as surviving combat but being killed in an auto accident, usually the very alert people are indeed those that survive. They are the first to duck rather than look around to see the fire crackers, they are the first to take cover or evasive action during a mass shooting. Some of the survivors of the Music Festival were reported to be 'zoning out' briefly as their minds reverted to the stressful events, it is perhaps these who later get killed in traffic accidents.
His rotation was finally up. His transport was inbound. He was headed from the jungle to outprocessing, then to Hawaii and home. He could not believe he made it through 8 months of mortal danger.
He goes to use the latrine, since it's a long flight. VC attack, mortar rounds. Everybody hunkers down. Smoke clears and attack stops as transport arrives with airborne protection. One casualty; the guy in the latrine.
Might be apocryphal, but he swears it happened.
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I agree, even extreme security measures and a few crystal balls thrown in could not have predicted or detected this up until the incident started, but once it did start, I do fault them.
You always fault MB in this tragedy. You claim there was lack of communications in law enforcement, operators and complete chaos from the slant of your posts.
Where are you getting your information from to make such a sure comment. I don't recall, were you there at the concert? If so then you may have more insight than just about anyone else on this thread. As I recall, numerous people on this thread were there. I'm just curious why the blame on a Casino. I don't get this from the other people here who were in the area. When there's such a contrast between one person and many others on the other side, I become curious as to the stand out voice.
You have no obligation to even acknowledge this message, I just thought it odd in your convictions about this.
gl
A not uncommon scenario, alas.
I suspect the final report of the Las Vegas massacre will conclude that Paddock acted with the same motivation.
Speaking of "final reports", the FBI expects a final report to be issued at about the one year anniversary.Quote: MrVI suspect the final report of the Las Vegas massacre will conclude that Paddock acted with the same motivation.
Meanwhile, Westgate is still using a "microwave radar" system to scan people and luggage for firearms. Its basically a collision avoidance system that is repurposed.
800 bollards installed along the strip to keep sidewalk pedestrians from being rammed by vehicles. Also protects critical infrastructure such as pipeline connections, fuel tanks, etc. Probably protects all those oxygen cylinders that the casinos use to alter the gambler's brain chemistry. (lol).
Quote: FleaStiff800 bollards installed along the strip to keep sidewalk pedestrians from being rammed by vehicles. Also protects critical infrastructure such as pipeline connections, fuel tanks, etc. Probably protects all those oxygen cylinders that the casinos use to alter the gambler's brain chemistry. (lol).
When I was there at the end of November they were installing them in front of Paris.
It's long overdue. When in Vegas, I'm much more worried about a car (either terrorist or just a dumb drunk) jumping a curb and running me down than I am about getting shot in a casino.
Drunk pedestrians + likely drunk drivers = bad news bears.
Quote: RSA few years ago when I was walking the strip, I was astonished at how easy it would be for a car to get on the side walk. Not that my thoughts were of a terrorist or a maniac, but a drunk dude nodding off and crashing into a bunch of people on the side walk. Not to mention how easy it is for a person to get on the street, especially the cross walks between Caesars and Paris -- they aren't bridges, but actual cross walks.
Drunk pedestrians + likely drunk drivers = bad news bears.
From what I understand, you did not walk on the strip pre-1990s. Amazing it took 25 years but nice someone noticed that there should be some kind of barrier. Drunk chicks especially will wander into traffic.
Coroner rules each of the 58 victims as homicides.
Quote:Even Conair's "driving thru three states wearing a little girl's head as a hat" is not insanity, it is simply rarely done.
No disrespect, but you have an odd, strange concept about human insanity or what insanity encompasses.
That is indeed insane. Displaying another person body part in broad daylight and not knowing or accepting the action as unusual or illegal is not a normal mental state.
Being able to be lucid, make decisions about what angle you're going to shoot at means you're able to still function and make decisions, it doesn't make one any less insane for acting out the killing act.
Pollards act was the act of an insane person as looked at by any other person who considers themselves sane.
Many of those examples are very poor analogies which can not be realistically compared.
It's like saying "I like to fish because I like tuna fish doesn't make me a better bowler"
Quote: sammydvNo disrespect, but you have an odd, strange concept about human insanity or what insanity encompasses.
That is indeed insane. Displaying another person body part in broad daylight and not knowing or accepting the action as unusual or illegal is not a normal mental state.
Being able to be lucid, make decisions about what angle you're going to shoot at means you're able to still function and make decisions, it doesn't make one any less insane for acting out the killing act.
Pollards act was the act of an insane person as looked at by any other person who considers themselves sane.
Many of those examples are very poor analogies which can not be realistically compared.
It's like saying "I like to fish because I like tuna fish doesn't make me a better bowler"
Just semantics. Of course, by legal standards, he probably wasn't insane. That is, he knew what was real and knew what he was doing was wrong, or at least illegal. He didn't think he was shooting aliens or something.
I don't think "insane" is a medical term, but he probably wasn't psychotic. He probably had some conditions, like psychopathy and/or Autism. The idea of killing all those people didn't really bother him. But many famous people, like politicians, are probably psychopaths. Many cops and many journalists are psychopaths and we don't usually say they are insane.
However, if you want to use "insane" as a colloquialism, you can pretty much use it however you want.
I think there are lots of people who are capable of doing this and sometimes fantasize about it, but all of the conditions for it to happen just never come about and they never quite decide it is worth giving up everything else in their lives.
Are you trying to tell us something? (-;Quote: Rigondeaux
I think there are lots of people who are capable of doing this and sometimes fantasize about it, but all of the conditions for it to happen just never come about and they never quite decide it is worth giving up everything else in their lives.
Quote: beachbumbabsMy ex has told the story of a guy he served with in Vietnam. The guy was sure from day 1 he would be KIA. Talked about it constantly. Had all sorts of odd habits, found someplace else to be whenever there was dangerous work, never volunteered. Always woke up dreaming of dying. Everybody had the same fears, but didn't go on about them like this guy: the stress would be too much to focus on it.
His rotation was finally up. His transport was inbound. He was headed from the jungle to outprocessing, then to Hawaii and home. He could not believe he made it through 8 months of mortal danger.
He goes to use the latrine, since it's a long flight. VC attack, mortar rounds. Everybody hunkers down. Smoke clears and attack stops as transport arrives with airborne protection. One casualty; the guy in the latrine.
Might be apocryphal, but he swears it happened.
Just single person I know who served has a similar story. Either the sole casualty of a rocket attack is the brand new guy who nobody knew his name or the guy about to return to the world. My Dad told the story, his buddies told the story, the NCOs at Beast Barracks told the story, my SGT. Major told us, my friend Pete( who won a Silver Star) actually had both a new guy and a last guy story. I think its all a part of Standing Order #4
c.losed some social media accounts rather than preserve them.
"I occasionally loaded ammo clips"....large capacity clips?
Emai exchanges about checking out clips, scopes, weapons.
cooperative posturing is not innocence.
Quote: FleaStiffShe knew.
c.losed some social media accounts rather than preserve them.
"I occasionally loaded ammo clips"....large capacity clips?
Emai exchanges about checking out clips, scopes, weapons.
cooperative posturing is not innocence.
Are you referring to the Filipino "girlfriend"? I was blasted on here for suggesting she may have driven him to this madness and to date, not one other person has come up with a more rational motive.
Quote: NokTangAre you referring to the Filipino "girlfriend"? I was blasted on here for suggesting she may have driven him to this madness and to date, not one other person has come up with a more rational motive.
Bleeding away your wealth of millions over several years to casinos and wanting to go out in a blaze of glory to "get back at casinos" sounds more rational to me...
I thought he wanted to get back at music fans or atleast at fans of country music.Quote: tringlomaneBleeding away your wealth of millions over several years to casinos and wanting to go out in a blaze of glory to "get back at casinos" sounds more rational to me...
Being driven by a Filipino girl sounds a bit round the bend he didn't even lure her to the site first. A Filipino maid might have shorted him on towels or something but its hardly a motive.
Perhaps he just didn't like loud music?
Quote: NokTangAre you referring to the Filipino "girlfriend"? I was blasted on here for suggesting she may have driven him to this madness and to date, not one other person has come up with a more rational motive.
Were that hare-brained theory close to true, you'd think he'd whack her instead of slaughtering the innocents.
Quote: NokTangAre you referring to the Filipino "girlfriend"? I was blasted on here for suggesting she may have driven him to this madness and to date, not one other person has come up with a more rational motive.
Not true. Not even close.
You were not blasted for being against one woman
You were blasted on here because you believe ALL Filipino woman will drive a guy insane which is absurd
Quote: tringlomaneBleeding away your wealth of millions over several years to casinos and wanting to go out in a blaze of glory to "get back at casinos" sounds more rational to me...
They are having hearings on what to do with the 5 million he left behind. Doesn't seem like he was anywhere near being broken by the casinos.
no word yet on that forensic autopsy ... I'm voting for parasites.
Remember Robin Williams. Ate lunch, felt a bit queasy for a night then forty years later he died of that mistreated stomach ache brought on by MAP.
Same thing with Shooter Paddington. Mild infection and forty years then it reached his brain.
Quote: NokTangAre you referring to the Filipino "girlfriend"? I was blasted on here for suggesting she may have driven him to this madness and to date, not one other person has come up with a more rational motive.
It's a valid possibility. You were blasted on here because you made statements about ALL Filipino women being this way. There is a difference. It would be very fair to say that many women and men drive their partners crazy. Nonetheless it does not take away from the shooter's personal responsibility in this matter.
Quote: FleaStiffIf grocery stores gave free rooms overlooking the crowds he would have shot up Safeway or Walmart or whatever.
no word yet on that forensic autopsy ... I'm voting for parasites.
Remember Robin Williams. Ate lunch, felt a bit queasy for a night then forty years later he died of that mistreated stomach ache brought on by MAP.
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Do you have a link? I googled that and couldn't find much.
Of course you can't find much,. Medicine rarely focuses on contaminated foods and when it does it only focuses on the short term consequences.Quote: RigondeauxDo you have a link? I googled that and couldn't find much.
Long term effects of ciguateria poisoning are a life time of chronic fatigue, but no one focuses on this.
Viral clusters such as Lake Tahoe are ignored.
MAP is ingested by cows. Milk, cheese, grass spreads MAP to humans. Most do not get sick. Of those who do, most get over it. Some leaks from the gut into the enteric nervous system and eventually treks all the way thru the vegas nerve (sorry) vagus nerve to the brain cells and interferes with cranial autophagy/xenophagy pathways. So the Pt eventually gets diagnosed with something like Premature Senility, Early Onset Alzheimers, or perhaps even Lewis Body Disease. At autopsy its Officially Lewis Body Disease, but how can you go back 30 or 40 years and investigate a mild stomach ache that didn't even leave an impression then.
Its the same thing with cat scratch fever or cat litter. Most people get exposed to it with no consequences, some suffer. Eventually the parasite works its way to the brain in some genetic subset primed by manganese deficiency. These poor souls become combative, thrill seekers, gamblers, drunk drivers, etc. Medicine ignores this. You go into a bar and get beat up the cops and the quacks are through with you in 72 hours. No one studies you long term.
Quote: boymimboIt's a valid possibility. You were blasted on here because you made statements about ALL Filipino women being this way. There is a difference. It would be very fair to say that many women and men drive their partners crazy. Nonetheless it does not take away from the shooter's personal responsibility in this matter.
Take this as an example...She continued to ask for his card despite being put down in public. She helped load the ammunition yet knew nothing about it's intended usage. Normally, you would think it's impossible that someone could load multiple bullets into the stock(whatever the word is) and not think something is "wrong" but nope, she had no clue and convinced the investigators she had no clue. On a broader spectrum when Subic Bay and Clark air bases were shut down, the Filipino's didn't understand why the Americans were going to stop paying the rent. Folks who have been exposed to this can certainly relate to an American mindset being driven mad, not to imply American's are somehow better or more educated. We are just different. It's like dogs and cats.
"Not much is known about Danley's and Paddock's relationship, though workers at a Starbucks in a Mesquite casino recalled that he had a habit of berating her in public. The abuse would come if she asked to use his casino card to make a purchase. Danley stood only elbow high to Paddock, a tall man with a beer belly.
Esperanza Mendoza, a supervisor at the Starbucks, told The Times in October: "He would glare down at her and say - with a mean attitude - 'You don't need my casino card for this. I'm paying for your drink, just like I'm paying for you.' Then she would softly say, 'OK,' and step back behind him. He was so rude to her in front of us.""
Quote: FleaStiffSounds like she was his entertainment. He dragged her around so he could belittle her for his amusement. Not much as motivation and if he fund her annoying he would have booted her out, not shot up half of Vegas for her.
She drove him crazy. Don't you folks get it yet?
Quote: NokTangShe drove him crazy. Don't you folks get it yet?
Maybe you should tell it in ALL CAPS!!!!!!!!
Quote: billryanMaybe you should tell it in ALL CAPS!!!!!!!!
Beat your own head on a urine soaked concrete wall and then give us some basic common sense. Thanks.
Quote: NokTangShe drove him crazy. Don't you folks get it yet?
Lots of wives and girlfriends of all nationalities drive their mates "crazy". He was a white guy with alot of money. He chose her to be his partner. Given that he wired a million bucks to her family at home, I doubt that "she drove him crazy".
You ultimately are responsible for your own emotional state. One cannot drive another person crazy - you have to allow that person to get into your head.
It's up to a Million now? I haven't really been following.Quote: boymimboLots of wives and girlfriends of all nationalities drive their mates "crazy". He was a white guy with alot of money. He chose her to be his partner. Given that he wired a million bucks to her family at home, I doubt that "she drove him crazy".
You ultimately are responsible for your own emotional state. One cannot drive another person crazy - you have to allow that person to get into your head.
Quote: AxelWolfIt's up to a Million now? I haven't really been following.
I'm off by a factor of 10. It was 100,000.
It is claimed that the shooter and his brother were into child porn.
I thought his brother had already been arrested a while ago for that?Quote: MrVHis brother was arrested.
It is claimed that the shooter and his brother were into child porn.
An estranged wheelchair-bound brother was arrested in October (surprise!). His case was given a continuation in December. Another brother picked up the ashes yesterday from the Clark County coroner.Quote: AxelWolfI thought his brother had already been arrested a while ago for that?
Turns out one officer fired three rounds while in a separate interior room after the shooter was already dead and only police were in the suite
Rumors of arrests probably coming from lack of official statements.
It was ISIS
Seriously, this guy is insane.
ROTFL.
Only a republican can be this stupid
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/rep-scott-perry-isis-las-vegas-shooting_us_5a620b1ee4b0125fd6361768
its so absurd
Whats next?
Blame the govt shutdown on ISIS?
lol
Now that you mention it.Quote: terapinedBlame the govt shutdown on ISIS?
Frankly, I consider the declining interest in sexual relations with the "girlfriend", the exaggerated sense of smell, the increased fear of germs to be indicative of a serious medical issue and I sure don't blame ISIS for that, Its like these otherwise intelligent people who think MH370 was seized by a UFO.
I’ve seen cases like this firsthand, from friends who lost millions or ruined their families because of gambling, but they would always talk about strategies and give advice like they were gaming geniuses; consequently, they were respected as gambling wizards by people who knew them.
Almost all gamblers who talk about how much they win gambling are really big time losers who are also probably degenerates, and no one should ever loan a penny to them for ‘a medical expense’.
Wonder if he was using his throwdown?Quote: FleaStiffTurns out one officer fired three rounds while in a separate interior room after the shooter was already dead and only police were in the suite.
The police have two different versions as to the skill sets of the actual entrants. Shooting took place after Shooter known to be dead was investigated by internal affairs separately,Quote: petroglyphWonder if he was using his throwdown?
He was an advantage player... with all that term means or meant.
He had a big bankroll so his theo was high. He got free booze, free shows, free meals free rooms.
Even if he knew all there was to know about VP he could do know better than anyone else at the VP machines that he played on.
In addition to a big bankroll he had a big ego and a big tongue.
He had lots of losing streaks he had lots of winning streaks. You gamble ten hours a day you are bound to have wins and losses but to always SAY you are in the plus column.
Anyone who wants to call his free room "income' to him can do so.
Medical treatment might have avoided this. First of all a heightened sense of smell is common in a variety of disorders including pedophlia. Personality change, excessive focus on germs is significant particularly since it was a change. I'm sorry they cremated rather than test the guy. Don't think they found anythingof note in the separately autopsied brain.
There were no imaging or parasite tests at the time of the Texas Tower shooting; there are now.
