Health and Weight Loss
Look up the word humble, it will help you out a ton.
Quote: ZenKinGDont you wish you could see through all of lifes problems at a young age like i have been able to.
Everyone here wishes we could be exactly like you
Quote: TomGEveryone here wishes we could be exactly like you
Speak for yourself!
Quote: ZenKinGWomen today expect the world and feel so entitled but yet cant even make a sandwich or make an omeltte and are only useful for emptying your wallet. Theyre pretty much something you want to avoid especially before youre 35 and when i say avoid, i mean 'relationships' with them.
Let me guess, you're very active on r/mgtow and r/incel
Quote: AcesAndEightsLet me guess, you're very active on r/mgtow and r/incel
/r/incels has been banned for a while
/r/TheRedPill is generally the center of that garbage
Quote: DRichI am still wondering why everyone's goal is to live longer. That doesn't have much appeal to me.
You'll probably outlive us all with that attitude!
Quote: TomGEveryone here wishes we could be exactly like you
Hey, ZK has like $50,000 he's got earmarked for blackjack... I wouldn't mind being in a position where I had $50,000 of disposable income.
Quote: ZenKinGPeople cant go more than 8 hours their whole life without putting something in their mouth and then everyone wonders why theyre overweight and are on 3+ forms of medication. People need to rely on doctors and the scam that is health insurance. Health insurance is NOT health ASSURANCE. Diets dont work. If you go 'on' a diet, youre eventually going to go 'off' the diet. What people need are lifestyle changes. Fasting is the answer kids.
Also i laugh at all the people who go to the gym to lose weight. If youre going to the gym for something superficial such as losing weight, you wont last very long and youll just end up quitting. To last in the gym long term, you gotta go for something bigger than that. You gotta go because you truly 'enjoy' being there. Its gotta be something 'spiritual' rather than superficial.
Sigh, if only people actually listened to me, the world will be better off in so many different ways.
This is what is called black and white thinking. It is a symptom of mental health problems.
The ideal is certainly to adopt an extremely healthy lifestyle. But there is a middle ground between the ideal and utter failure. While there are people who relapse completely there are others who make progress incrementally.
I do agree that what they need to be working towards is a healthier lifestyle as opposed to a one time weight loss. But it seems like almost everyone agrees on that, including those promoting most diets.
A lot of people are in ok shape and eat ok but then they do somethinhg like put on a few pounds during the holidays and then go on a stricter diet to lose it. No problemo.
Other people eat trash their whole lives because they were raised that way and become obese. A diet can be a stepping stone. On the diet they might learn to like healthy foods and learn to like taking control of their appetites or learn to like cooking. Something like the south beach diet can provide them with a coherent narrative and guidelines that make sense to them.
They might hit some goals, decide dessert is now ok once in a while, which it is, then slip too far, then need to ramp up again. That's fine.
Trying to improve, especially in an area of weakness is usually an up and down process. You can learn from the ups and downs. You might never achieve perfection but still be better than when you started.
Hopefully GWAE will be an example of this. He is at least aware of his problems.
That said, dried fruit are a good source of calories in a small package. I think you would see backpackers, who need to maximize calorie to weight ratios, often carry them. However, for the average person who gets little exercise and could stand to lose some weight, I would stay away from them. There might be some vitamin benefit but it is far outweighed by the cost of calorie consumption. Health and longevity are highly correlated to a low body weight. For that reason, except if you're running a marathon or something like that, I would avoid dried fruit.
I've already posted the Apples, Applesauce, Apple juice gradient. Rehydrating the dried fruit is important but most people ingest them as a snack food such as a Trail Mix with no re-hydration
I agree with the upthread comments about "less than optimal" not necessarily being bad, but its a bit like tire inflation there is a wide range of damage done prior to getting a "flat tire" and even then, its only flat on the bottom.
Quote: GWAEDieting is definitely all about changing eating habits but it is really hard. Skinny people dont understand just how hard. I can fully understand why smokers can't stop smoking or druggies can't stop drugs.
Last year I stopped drinking pop and substituted some other drinks. I was content for 100 days. But I went right back to it. Some of the reason for me to not eat as well as I should is cost. I am poor and we try to keep our food budget down. I love fajitas and could probably eat them every day. They are pretty healthy if you make them right, but it would cost us about $16 per dinner to do that. Or we can make spaghetti or sloppy joe and French fries for about $6. 1 is way healthier but I just can't afford that right now.
Same with snacks. I could buy fruits and veggies and spend $25 a week or I can buy pretzels and other foods like that for $6 a week.
I meant to respond to this before.
One thing ZK is right about is that intermittent fasting works wonders. It also has secondary benefits like preventing dementia so, if nothing else, your kids won't have to become your baby sitter one day.
Last i checked, not eating was free.
For me, doing 24 hours a couple times a week is easier but i think most people find doing 16 hours most days easier. Don't snack before bed. Skip breakfast (most people aren't really hungry in the morning) and you win.
I agree that junk food is like a drug. That makes things harder, especially since it leaves you feeling hungry.
As i mentioned earlier, you don't have to become a fitness nazi or have washboard abs. It's fine to do well for a while, then slack off, then get motivated again. That's how it is in areas that are not your strong suit or that don't come naturally. I'm like that with working out and... Many many things. But maybe reread your posts about how excited you were to be eating well. The novelty and excitement wore off. That's natural. But you can get some of it back.
Lastly, if you buy whatever is on sale, produce is pretty damn cheap. Almost anything tastes good with olive oil, salt, pepper, garlic, onions, hot sauce, parmesan cheese or whatever seasonings you like.
Eggs are damn near free. Hard boiled eggs with some salt... Tasty and healthy, especially for men. Beans are also basically free. You can make like 2 gallons of chili for a few bucks. Etc.
Ever try peeling those darn hard boiled eggs...frustration and annoyance drives me to consume 5000 calories of booze. Eggs and mayonnaise taste okay for a day perhaps two, but then it gets tiresome.Quote: Rigondeaux
Eggs are damn near free. Hard boiled eggs with some salt... Tasty and healthy, especially for men. Beans are also basically free. You can make like 2 gallons of chili for a few bucks. Etc.
Two gallons of chili.... I'm still under a court order obtained by the ASPCA that prevents me from throwing my chili in the dumpster where wild animals might eat it.
This 5:2 diet does seem to work but two days of fasting is harder than two days of markedly reduced caloric intake which seems to work just as well.
I wish I could find a source of culinary flower petals but the costs are so high.
No plants.
Going to see how it affects my heart calcium, insulin and cholesterol particle numbers - all of which are dangerously bad right now.
But something that helped me get myself off Soda, is drinking water with a splash of juice. It's enough sugar and flavor to scratch that itch, but FAR less than soda.
Quote: gamerfreakMost juice is just as bad as soda - it's all sugar water.
But something that helped me get myself off Soda, is drinking water with a splash of juice. It's enough sugar and flavor to scratch that itch, but FAR less than soda.
I maybe have about 2 sodas a year. I drink only water each and every day. I don't understand why people can't just drink water? Get your flavor from food, not from liquids.
Quote: ZenKinGGet your flavor from food, not from liquids.
Coffee and tea is good for flavor, and those are basically just water, too.
I also drink milk.
But I don't understand how people can drink so much soda.
100% agree, though in the midwest we call it pop, because carbonation pops =).Quote: gamerfreakMost juice is just as bad as soda - it's all sugar water...
Final thoughts on weight loss
In the end everyone wants what they think is the most 'efficient' way, which often times is the maximum results for the minimum effort. The only way to see real change is to have real change in your life (like ZK said actually). You need to want to live a healthier lifestyle. That doesn't mean never eating what you want, etc, but just being more conscious of what you're putting in your body and making better choices some/most of the time (but def not all of the time =D ). Between doing that and actually staying active and working out, HOWEVER you want to do it - biking, hiking, walking, fighting, sports, weights, running, you name it.... it's really really really really really not that hard to lose weight or maintain a healthy weight.
In the end, it boils down to... eating healthy (er) and exercising/being active. No matter WHAT pill you see, what plan/diet you've heard is the next fad, it all doesn't matter. At the core you must eat better and you must exercise. If you don't do those, you will not be losing healthy weight nor maintaining any kind of fictitious loss you do get from some 'diets' that starve your body of things you need (like carbs) and then you lose all of your muscle (i.e. "lose weight").
Quote: ZenKinGI maybe have about 2 sodas a year. I drink only water each and every day. I don't understand why people can't just drink water? Get your flavor from food, not from liquids.
Quote: TigerWuBut I don't understand how people can drink so much soda.
It's literally an addiction to sugar. There's no better excuse for it than smoking. Someone addicted to feels a dopamine rush from gulping it down.
At the worst of times, I wanted soda first thing in the morning, and would prob drink 40oz+ per day.
I've cut back significantly though. I agree it's disgusting and literal poison.
Quote: FleaStiffEver try peeling those darn hard boiled eggs...frustration and annoyance drives me to consume 5000 calories of booze.
After you take the egg out of the boiling water, you're supposed to immerse it in cool water. That will make it easy to peel later. I'm not sure why this works, but it does.
Quote: FleaStiffEver try peeling those darn hard boiled eggs...frustration and annoyance drives me to consume 5000 calories of booze.
Also the ones that come already peeled taste fine as long as you can get over that they come swimming in a bag of stinky egg water.
Quote: WizardAfter you take the egg out of the boiling water, you're supposed to immerse it in cool water. That will make it easy to peel later. I'm not sure why this works, but it does.
You also shouldn't use newer eggs. If you use eggs that are a week from expiration those are the best ones.
Easy way to cook eggs. Place eggs in large pot and fill half way with water. Add some salt. Put on high heat and bring to a roaring boil. Once it boils turn off burner and cover pot. Let stand for 12 minutes. While water stands get a large container and fill with water and a bunch of ice. After 12 minutes take eggs and gently place into ice water for about 5 min. Remove and let dry and you will have perfect hard boiled eggs.
And according to many sources, diet sodas (artificial sweeteners) are even worse for you than regular soda.Quote: gamerfreakIt's literally an addiction to sugar. There's no better excuse for it than smoking. Someone addicted to feels a dopamine rush from gulping it down.
At the worst of times, I wanted soda first thing in the morning, and would prob drink 40oz+ per day.
I've cut back significantly though. I agree it's disgusting and literal poison.
https://medium.com/@jamesheathers/5-proper-reasons-to-lose-weight-e756025691e0
So your research for that clip... got jammed?Quote: djatcCrap I can't find a youtube vid or a gif of Jeremy Jamm on Parks and Rec...
Heck no! Dozens of complex anti-oxidants in each. Catechins and Epicatechins in Green Tea are not only relaxing but they stimulate fat burning.Quote: TigerWuCoffee and tea is good for flavor, and those are basically just water, too.
Good news for those of us with mis- spent yoots.
- dried fruit is a great high-energy snack for hiking, etc. Just like candy and nuts. But its not a good food to gorge on as if it is one of the five food groups.
- cooling eggs after boiling them makes them easier to peel. It is because of differential thermal expansion/contraction. I.e., upon quenching in cold water the egg shell does not contract as much as the egg such that the albumen shrinks and 'parts' from the egg shell. However if the egg is allowed to slowly cool, the albumen does not part from the shell.
- eating healthy does indeed require a decision to live differently.
However, just want to say this: fructose has a chemical effect on the brain that dextrose and sucrose do not. Fructose makes you want to eat more, whereas other sugars do not. Eat a chocolate bar and after awhile it is easy to stop. Eat processed foods that have high-fructose corn syrup as a component and you want to eat and eat and eat. There is an obvious commercial incentive for fast food chains and processed food providers (like Kraft) to use fructose syrup as a sweetener. But they are partially responsible for the obesity epidemic in the United States.
Coffee as bad and linked to unusual cardiac rthyms acknowledged to be ultraconservative guff utterly unsupported by the evidence.
Other than Romes recently, I don't recall anyone else saying anything really "bad" about the no carb, no sugar...diets or "weight loss diet"...I think? it was once called the "Atkins Diet" and now "Keto..something" and of course "Butter Bob's" youtube presentations....
So thanks...A discussion of BP meds and statins might be in order here?
Statins are substances that make you die with better numbers in your medical file, but they have not been shown to increase life span or quality of life in any way, you just die with better numbers.Quote: NokTang...A discussion of BP meds and statins might be in order here?
also statins are thought to cross the blood brain barrier so those who have had a diabetic crisis should probably not be on statins.
BP meds? Are you referring to saffron, hibiscus tea, passion flower petals, turmeric, parsley?
Quote: NokTangAny other opinions on the low/no carbs and no sugar diets which seem to be everywhere?(online) I just discovered yet another distant friend was also on the no carb deal and in his case, only eating once a day at 5pm. The claim was your body starts burning fat while you sleep(that night) and all the next day? He's lost 15 kilos in four weeks doing nothing else.(no exercise, was/is obese)
There's nothing wrong with carbs. You need them for energy. The vast majority of the time when people talk about how they cut out carbs and lost weight, it's because they cut those foods out of their diet and haven't replaced them with anything else. I.e., they've simply cut calories. It has nothing to do with the fact that they've specifically cut carbs. By the same token, though, carb-y foods CAN be calorie dense, so if you're trying to lose weight, and you normally eat a slice or two of toast in the morning, by cutting out those carbs you can save up to a couple of hundred calories a day, which can lead to sustained weight loss.
15kg sounds like a lot to lose in four weeks, though. I'd be worried that your friend, by losing so much so quickly, completely cutting out carbs, and only eating once a day, is not setting himself up for a sustainable healthy lifestyle. He might be able to do it in the short term, and lose weight, but can he do it for 5, 10, 50 years and keep that weight off?
Sugar should be avoided as much as possible, though.
Quote: FleaStiffHeck no! Dozens of complex anti-oxidants in each. Catechins and Epicatechins in Green Tea are not only relaxing but they stimulate fat burning.
I meant they're "basically just water" in that it's like 99% of the composition. Nothing like soda which has a ton of added crap in it.
Quote: NokTangAny other opinions on the low/no carbs and no sugar diets which seem to be everywhere?(online) I just discovered yet another distant friend was also on the no carb deal and in his case, only eating once a day at 5pm. The claim was your body starts burning fat while you sleep(that night) and all the next day? He's lost 15 kilos in four weeks doing nothing else.(no exercise, was/is obese)
Other than Romes recently, I don't recall anyone else saying anything really "bad" about the no carb, no sugar...diets or "weight loss diet"...I think? it was once called the "Atkins Diet" and now "Keto..something" and of course "Butter Bob's" youtube presentations....
So thanks...A discussion of BP meds and statins might be in order here?
Before I met him, my ex-husband lost about 150 lbs on something called the Carbohydrate Addicts.Diet. It totally goes against most eating advice, but it worked for him.
The basic thing was, IIRC, you ate nothing with any carbs in it 23 hours a day. Water, black coffee, tea, sugar-free gum, whatever you could find ultra-low carbs. For 1 hour a day, the same hour every day (think it was dinnertime), you could eat anything you wanted regardless of fat, sugar, carb content. Might even have been recommended to high-carb your meals to get the diet to work.
Supposedly, it kept your body from starvation mode, which causes it to hoard fat cells, but it would.work overtime to burn the calories when it finally got some. I think.there was some guidance about vitamins and mineral ingestion as well. But the timing 23/1 was the key.
Quote: beachbumbabsBefore I met him, my ex-husband lost about 150 lbs on something called the Carbohydrate Addicts.Diet. It totally goes against most eating advice, but it worked for him.
The basic thing was, IIRC, you ate nothing with any carbs in it 23 hours a day. Water, black coffee, tea, sugar-free gum, whatever you could find ultra-low carbs. For 1 hour a day, the same hour every day (think it was dinnertime), you could eat anything you wanted regardless of fat, sugar, carb content. Might even have been recommended to high-carb your meals to get the diet to work.
Supposedly, it kept your body from starvation mode, which causes it to hoard fat cells, but it would.work overtime to burn the calories when it finally got some. I think.there was some guidance about vitamins and mineral ingestion as well. But the timing 23/1 was the key.
Seems like a fasting regimen, specifically an intermittent fasting regimen, not really a 'diet'. Diets dont work. Lifestyle changes work. Hopefully he managed to implement that into his lifestyle.
Oh by the way, 'starvation mode' doesnt exist. Glad i could clear up the misinformation once again.
Quote: NokTang
So thanks...A discussion of BP meds and statins might be in order here?
I have had no luck with the multitude of BP meds that I have tried. I blame my bad genes and not all of the alcohol, smoking, and bad habits that I possess.
If anyone wants to have a blood pressure contest I think I will win (or lose). I am regularly 190/120 and often 205/130. Of course, I may not live long enough to collect so it could be a freeroll for others.
Quote: DRichI have had no luck with the multitude of BP meds that I have tried. I blame my bad genes and not all of the alcohol, smoking, and bad habits that I possess.
If anyone wants to have a blood pressure contest I think I will win (or lose). I am regularly 190/120 and often 205/130. Of course, I may not live long enough to collect so it could be a freeroll for others.
Drich we could have a go. Should we eat something like McDonalds right before?
Quote: DRichI have had no luck with the multitude of BP meds that I have tried. I blame my bad genes and not all of the alcohol, smoking, and bad habits that I possess.
If anyone wants to have a blood pressure contest I think I will win (or lose). I am regularly 190/120 and often 205/130. Of course, I may not live long enough to collect so it could be a freeroll for others.
Do you go to a doctor and actually take the medicines he/she writes for? Those diastolics are ludicrously high.
Going 100% animal fats would worry me. From what I've read it isn't bad, and better than eating chips and soda obv. But long term its probably better to eat some veggies too, or perhaps even copious amounts of certain ones.
Also it just seems hard to follow. It depends on your tastes to some degree but our pallates are malleable. If ypu can learn to like dark chocolate, nuts, heavily seasoned veggies, avocado and so on you have a hell of a lot more to choose from.
E.g. i just had chicken fajitas with hot sauce, salsa and guac. No tortilla obviously. Very tasty and satisfying. I think eating just the chicken would get old fast.
One keto tip. Not usually on the front page. get some lemon juice, like in your water. Also salt. That's easy enough. Just don't be afraid to use it.
Quote: RigondeauxZK's claim that starvation mode, ie ketosis, does not exist appears to be totally unfounded but a source would be cool.
Going 100% animal fats would worry me. From what I've read it isn't bad, and better than eating chips and soda obv. But long term its probably better to eat some veggies too, or perhaps even copious amounts of certain ones.
Also it just seems hard to follow. It depends on your tastes to some degree but our pallates are malleable. If ypu can learn to like dark chocolate, nuts, heavily seasoned veggies, avocado and so on you have a hell of a lot more to choose from.
E.g. i just had chicken fajitas with hot sauce, salsa and guac. No tortilla obviously. Very tasty and satisfying. I think eating just the chicken would get old fast.
One keto tip. Not usually on the front page. get some lemon juice, like in your water. Also salt. That's easy enough. Just don't be afraid to use it.
Did you wrap the fajitas in anything? I love fajitas and was thinking about making them tomorrow but trying to use large leaf lettuce as the wrap.
For dinner tonight I had a large salad with spinach, romaine, iceberg, carrot, green peppers, sunflower seeds, a little low sodium lunch meat Turkey, shredded lettuce, and oil and vinegar. It was very tasty.
I didn't wrap it in anything. This was in a diamond lounge so i just made a heap and ate it with a fork. But i think lettuce wraps would be better.
Getting into spicy foods and hot sauce and stuff is another good thing. It's good or neutral for you but it is a strong flavor you can look forward to and enjoy.
Quote: RigondeauxGood job man.
I didn't wrap it in anything. This was in a diamond lounge so i just made a heap and ate it with a fork. But i think lettuce wraps would be better.
Getting into spicy foods and hot sauce and stuff is another good thing. It's good or neutral for you but it is a strong flavor you can look forward to and enjoy.
I have been bad the last 10 days. Thursday is my last day at old job and I have been working about 50 hours a week at new business. 90 hours a week has made me lazy when it comes to food. After Thursday I plan on getting back on the horse and making another attempt at changing lifestyle and losing some weight.
Quote: GWAEAfter Thursday I plan on getting back on the horse and making another attempt at changing lifestyle
Careful with phrasing. Don't want to give Axel false hope.
