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darkoz
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October 30th, 2017 at 6:56:35 PM permalink
So manafort and gates are on House Arrest!!!

Bail set at $10 Million

Starting to feel its serious yet lol
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October 30th, 2017 at 6:58:42 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

So manafort and gates are on House Arrest!!!

Bail set at $10 Million

Starting to feel its serious yet lol



There's a whole lotta beef in this "nothing burger."
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October 30th, 2017 at 6:59:59 PM permalink
Quote: ams288

Quote: RS

Quote: ams288

Cable news this morning:

CNN: Manafort
MSNBC: Manafort
Fox & Friends: Hamburger emoji


Just in case any more liberals think this is true....it's not.



Ummm.... yes it was true.



no idea if its true or not, but let's do a little investigating shall we?

All you need is a couple brain cells, a working eyeball, and some google to get to the bottom of #fakenews.

How much of the above can be utilized by those who can't even feed themselves without a blender/mother bird is the real question.
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October 30th, 2017 at 7:00:17 PM permalink
Quote: Maverick17

liberals, in general, need to be spoon fed pre-chewed mush in order to survive.

Proof is in the last 3 pages of this thread.

liberals, in general, either can't read for comprehension, or simply refuse to do so when necessary.

Manafort was indicted for actions while working for the DNC and the Clinton's specifically.

YOUR President severed ties to Manafort the moment he found out the man was corrupted by his liberal co-horts.

Papadopoulos recommended YOUR Presidents political team commit illegal acts, and then lied about it to the FBI. How did Mueller find out about these lies? He asked YOUR President's office if they had any proof the dirtbag was a liar, that's how! and YOUR President provided the FBI with the emails proving the liar was a liar.

MAF-ingGA!!!!



Please supply Link to your source. Apparently google has no idea what you are Talking about

Oh wait Google is part of the liberal fake media?
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October 30th, 2017 at 7:05:10 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Please supply Link to your source. Apparently google has no idea what you are Talking about

Oh wait Google is part of the liberal fake media?



Did you try anything besides "Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee" in your search?
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October 30th, 2017 at 7:06:48 PM permalink
Wow. After Jay Sekulow and sarah sanders say george papadopolis is just a volunteer on an advisory committee Don Lemon just played audio interview of Trump himself naming papadopolis as one of his close foreign advisors and quote an "excellent guy"
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October 30th, 2017 at 7:08:24 PM permalink
Quote: Maverick17

Quote: ams288

Quote: RS

Quote: ams288

Cable news this morning:

CNN: Manafort
MSNBC: Manafort
Fox & Friends: Hamburger emoji


Just in case any more liberals think this is true....it's not.



Ummm.... yes it was true.



no idea if its true or not, but let's do a little investigating shall we?

All you need is a couple brain cells, a working eyeball, and some google to get to the bottom of #fakenews.

How much of the above can be utilized by those who can't even feed themselves without a blender/mother bird is the real question.



Your 4th fact-free condescending post in a row. Getting tired of the ad hominem attacks on other members.

Argue your opinion, back it up with cites, refute other claims with facts, it's within bounds here. Disparaging other members is not. WARNING.
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October 30th, 2017 at 7:09:17 PM permalink
Quote: Maverick17

Did you try anything besides "Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee" in your search?



I thought so. You have no link to supply

Making stuff up.

Well with trump as your guide i understand why you think thats appropriate
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October 30th, 2017 at 7:10:23 PM permalink
Here is what I am wondering
Is Manafort smart enough
to realize this might of been coming
and protected himself by gathering evidence
to trade for his freedom?
got the popcorn out :-)
Its just a forum. Nothing here to get obsessed about.
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October 30th, 2017 at 7:12:04 PM permalink
He's doing what everybodybin the right wing media world is doing, trying to make a connection to the Podesta brothers. It's ironic that he's talking about being spoon fed information when all he is doing is regurgitating tucker Carlson.

We'll see where the investigation goes. But even if all the most optimistic and ridiculous spin they are laying out is ALL TRUE, that means trump is thr damn idiot he tries to be everyday.
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October 30th, 2017 at 7:14:52 PM permalink
Quote: Maverick17

Did you try anything besides "Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee" in your search?



Oops. You went and made it personal.

Second offense. 7 days.
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October 30th, 2017 at 7:23:11 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

Oops. You went and made it personal.

Second offense. 7 days.



Aww man

As the famous quote goes "the comedy has ended"
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October 31st, 2017 at 4:32:08 AM permalink
Donald hasn't tweeted since the Papadapoulos news broke yesterday.

Come on Donny, pick up the phone. Let the rage flow through those stubby orange fingers...
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darkoz
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October 31st, 2017 at 5:07:48 AM permalink
So after complaining FBI has leaks they cant stand at the white house and republican circles now Papadoupolis kept so under wraps they got stung up the wazoo. He may have even been wearing a wire

Excellently played. Bet repubs wish there had been FBI leaks now lol
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October 31st, 2017 at 5:51:33 AM permalink
Quote: ams288

#MAGA

(Men Are Getting Arrested)



That is excellent. Did you think that up or do you owe it to someone else?
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October 31st, 2017 at 5:57:50 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

That is excellent. Did you think that up or do you owe it to someone else?



I kinda owe it to social media. I saw someone post #MAGA (Manafort and Gates Arrested).
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October 31st, 2017 at 9:30:57 AM permalink
A Declaration of the Immediate Causes which Induce and Justify the Secession of the State of Mississippi from the Federal Union.

In the momentous step which our State has taken of dissolving its connection with the government of which we so long formed a part, it is but just that we should declare the prominent reasons which have induced our course.
Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin.
That we do not overstate the dangers to our institution, a reference to a few facts will sufficiently prove.
The hostility to this institution commenced before the adoption of the Constitution, and was manifested in the well-known Ordinance of 1787, in regard to the Northwestern Territory.
The feeling increased, until, in 1819-20, it deprived the South of more than half the vast territory acquired from France.
The same hostility dismembered Texas and seized upon all the territory acquired from Mexico.
It has grown until it denies the right of property in slaves, and refuses protection to that right on the high seas, in the Territories, and wherever the government of the United States had jurisdiction.
It refuses the admission of new slave States into the Union, and seeks to extinguish it by confining it within its present limits, denying the power of expansion.
It tramples the original equality of the South under foot.
It has nullified the Fugitive Slave Law in almost every free State in the Union, and has utterly broken the compact which our fathers pledged their faith to maintain.
It advocates negro equality, socially and politically, and promotes insurrection and incendiarism in our midst.
It has enlisted its press, its pulpit and its schools against us, until the whole popular mind of the North is excited and inflamed with prejudice.
It has made combinations and formed associations to carry out its schemes of emancipation in the States and wherever else slavery exists.
It seeks not to elevate or to support the slave, but to destroy his present condition without providing a better.
It has invaded a State, and invested with the honors of martyrdom the wretch whose purpose was to apply flames to our dwellings, and the weapons of destruction to our lives.
It has broken every compact into which it has entered for our security.
It has given indubitable evidence of its design to ruin our agriculture, to prostrate our industrial pursuits and to destroy our social system.
It knows no relenting or hesitation in its purposes; it stops not in its march of aggression, and leaves us no room to hope for cessation or for pause.
It has recently obtained control of the Government, by the prosecution of its unhallowed schemes, and destroyed the last expectation of living together in friendship and brotherhood.
Utter subjugation awaits us in the Union, if we should consent longer to remain in it. It is not a matter of choice, but of necessity. We must either submit to degradation, and to the loss of property worth four billions of money, or we must secede from the Union framed by our fathers, to secure this as well as every other species of property. For far less cause than this, our fathers separated from the Crown of England.
Our decision is made. We follow their footsteps. We embrace the alternative of separation; and for the reasons here stated, we resolve to maintain our rights with the full consciousness of the justice of our course, and the undoubting belief of our ability to maintain it.

How were people of good will supposed to compromise with this? Hey- Monday, Weds, Friday -you folks get to be slaves. The rest of the week you are free? Newborn negro males are slaves but females aren't?
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October 31st, 2017 at 9:35:02 AM permalink
Let the investigation continue. The right spent years digging up Benghazi and finding very little. The president spent 8 years insisting that Obama was not a legitimate president. All of this is well deserved on the GOP and Trump. And if the investigation turns some dirt on Clinton, Obama, and whomever else is in the path of the investigation let the work be done. Maybe they'll reopen an investigation into the 2000s housing crisis too. I'd like heads to roll there as well.

For all of those attempting to pivot to Clinton, the investigation is about 2016 Russian-Trump collusion, not about a deal Hillary made with uranium 8 years ago.

80% of what comes out of Trump's mouth is lies. That's a fact. Why would he start telling the truth now? His biggest disgrace so far in my opinion is the $25k check that he didn't send until the press found out about it and the condolence call. The guy is a disgrace to the office.

Still I don't think Trump is coming down. While his actions as candidate was completely unethical, it wasn't illegal.
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October 31st, 2017 at 9:53:53 AM permalink
While his actions as candidate Trump don't appear to be illegal, his actions as President Trump could very well have been.
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October 31st, 2017 at 10:01:43 AM permalink
Quote: boymimbo

Maybe they'll reopen an investigation into the 2000s housing crisis too. I'd like heads to roll there as well.



Heck, if we're gonna go back that far, might as well put the Iraq War on the table.

In fact, can we just pretend it's 1999 right now and just get a whole do-over on the last 18 years?
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October 31st, 2017 at 10:04:48 AM permalink
Considering how alarming the income gap is and how the deficit has coincided with that gap, I'd like to go back to the 80s and get a do over on the mythical trickle down crap.
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October 31st, 2017 at 10:08:36 AM permalink
Quote: TigerWu

Heck, if we're gonna go back that far, might as well put the Iraq War on the table.

In fact, can we just pretend it's 1999 right now and just get a whole do-over on the last 18 years?



And find another 1,000 democrats in Florida? Absolutely!
Maybe back to 1995 before Monica appeared in the White House... though if it wasn't her blue skirt, it would have been someone else's.

Oh for the good ol'd days. Trump is so bad that we long for Dubya and Cheney to be back, even give him and his ass-grabbing dad a warm reception at the Astros game even though the Bush family were owners of their rival Texas Rangers.
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October 31st, 2017 at 10:48:37 AM permalink
So here is what Maverick was attempting to refer to in his posts.. this is a quote from an article on CNN's website.

How did a prominent Democratic lobbyist get wrapped up in an investigation of Russia's efforts to help Trump and hurt Clinton in the 2016 race? By working with none other than Paul Manafort, the one-time campaign chairman for Trump, who now faces a 12-count indictment linked to his work in the Ukraine.
The Podesta Group, along with Manafort's firm, were tasked with leading an PR effort on behalf of a group called the European Centre for a Modern Ukraine.
The ECFMU was a non-profit group whose true goal was allegedly to soften the Obama administration's opposition to the pro-Russian Ukrainian government in power at the time. (Several Ukrainian leaders were facing public condemnation from the American government for their treatment of political opponents.) The Podesta Group, along with Manafort's firm, were tasked with leading that effort on behalf of the European Centre for a Modern Ukraine. (In the indictment of Manafort unsealed on Monday, the Podesta Group appears to be referred to as "Company B" but never referred to specifically by name.)
The Podesta Group didn't properly file disclosure forms detailing the 32 meetings it had with government officials at the State Department and the Vice President's office on behalf of the European Centre for a Modern Ukraine, according to CNN reporting.

That is hardly Manafort working for the DNC and Clintons. Based on the wording here, Manafort never worked for the Podesta Group, but his own firm was working with the Podesta Group.
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October 31st, 2017 at 10:54:14 AM permalink
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Still I don't think Trump is coming down. While his actions as candidate was completely unethical, it wasn't illegal.



Don't forget, any illegal activities Muellar's team comes across regardless of the connection to the Russia meddling, is not simply dismissed, but liable for prosecution.

If Trump hasn't acted lawfully for the last decade, he could be ensnared by some other link. What are the odds?
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October 31st, 2017 at 11:31:53 AM permalink
More on Fox News's disastrous coverage of yesterday's indictments...

'I want to quit': Fox News employees say their network's Russia coverage was 'an embarrassment'

Quote:

"It's an embarrassment," another Fox News employee echoed to CNN. "Frankly, there are shows on our network that are backing the President at all costs, and it's that short term strategy that undermines the good work being done by others."

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October 31st, 2017 at 12:54:08 PM permalink
Quote: ams288

More on Fox News's disastrous coverage of yesterday's indictments...

'I want to quit': Fox News employees say their network's Russia coverage was 'an embarrassment'



ROTFL
Foxnews has become a joke
If something happens concerning the Trump admin
Nobody that wants to know what is going on is tuning into fox
Its no longer Foxnews, its foxtrumpdefense channel
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October 31st, 2017 at 1:06:19 PM permalink
There are journalists working at FoxNews.

You learn something new every day.
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October 31st, 2017 at 4:44:41 PM permalink
“Whatever else I may forget, I shall never forget the difference between those who fought for liberty and those who fought for slavery; between those who fought to save the Republic and those who fought to destroy it
Fredrick Douglass, who as Donald noted, is doing a fine job.
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October 31st, 2017 at 5:24:54 PM permalink
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�Whatever else I may forget, I shall never forget the difference between those who fought for liberty and those who fought for slavery; between those who fought to save the Republic and those who fought to destroy it
Fredrick Douglass, who as Donald noted, is doing a fine job.



What are you mumbling about?ðźś
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October 31st, 2017 at 6:05:30 PM permalink
Former Republican Leader of the House John Boehner has claimed there are “Nazis” serving in Congress
“We’ve got some of the smartest people in America who serve in the Congress, and we’ve got some of the dumbest”, Mr Boehner said. “We have some of the nicest people you’d ever want to meet, and some that are Nazis”.
The Ohio Republican and former Speaker of the House talked candidly about his former congressional colleagues in a lengthy article.
After presiding over a caucus fractured by the rise of the Tea Party, which propelled multiple challenges to his leadership, Mr Boehner ultimately stepped down. He has since become a critic of Donald Trump, whom he described as a “populist” without “an ideological bone in his body”, but he said Mr Trump is not prejudiced.
“I do not believe that he is a racist. I do not believe that he is a white supremacist,” Mr Boehner told POLITICO Magazine. “He has clearly done some things to lead people who never liked him to say those things about him.”
But by labelling unnamed members of Congress “Nazis”, Mr Boehner invoked a spectre that has been haunting American politics this year.
White supremacists, some of them organized under the broad label of the “alt-right”, have been increasingly vocal and public in advancing their nationalist vision. Former White House adviser Stephen Bannon, who helped manage Mr Trump’s campaign and for months served as a top aide before stepping down, has returned to his role managing Breitbart News, which he once proclaimed a “platform for the alt-right”.
In August, protesters including the KKK and Neo-Nazis marched on Charlottesville, Virginia to demonstrate against the removal of a statue of confederate general Robert E Lee. After a car plowed into a crowd of counterprotestors, killing a woman, Mr Trump faced widespread criticism for saying there was "blame on both sides". That led Rep Maxine Waters, a California Democrat and fierce antagonist of Mr Trump, to call the White House the “White Supremacists' House.”
Both Mr Trump, Mr Bannon and those who know them have consistently denied that they hold bigoted views.
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November 1st, 2017 at 7:21:12 AM permalink
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Former Republican Leader of the House John Boehner has claimed there are �Nazis� serving in Congress
�We�ve got some of the smartest people in America who serve in the Congress, and we�ve got some of the dumbest�, Mr Boehner said. �We have some of the nicest people you�d ever want to meet, and some that are Nazis�.
The Ohio Republican and former Speaker of the House talked candidly about his former congressional colleagues in a lengthy article.
After presiding over a caucus fractured by the rise of the Tea Party, which propelled multiple challenges to his leadership, Mr Boehner ultimately stepped down. He has since become a critic of Donald Trump, whom he described as a �populist� without �an ideological bone in his body�, but he said Mr Trump is not prejudiced.
�I do not believe that he is a racist. I do not believe that he is a white supremacist,� Mr Boehner told POLITICO Magazine. �He has clearly done some things to lead people who never liked him to say those things about him.�
But by labelling unnamed members of Congress �Nazis�, Mr Boehner invoked a spectre that has been haunting American politics this year.
White supremacists, some of them organized under the broad label of the �alt-right�, have been increasingly vocal and public in advancing their nationalist vision. Former White House adviser Stephen Bannon, who helped manage Mr Trump�s campaign and for months served as a top aide before stepping down, has returned to his role managing Breitbart News, which he once proclaimed a �platform for the alt-right�.
In August, protesters including the KKK and Neo-Nazis marched on Charlottesville, Virginia to demonstrate against the removal of a statue of confederate general Robert E Lee. After a car plowed into a crowd of counterprotestors, killing a woman, Mr Trump faced widespread criticism for saying there was "blame on both sides". That led Rep Maxine Waters, a California Democrat and fierce antagonist of Mr Trump, to call the White House the �White Supremacists' House.�
Both Mr Trump, Mr Bannon and those who know them have consistently denied that they hold bigoted views.


I have no idea what you are saying.

Not that the forum's character encoding being broken is helping anything, but I think if you formatted these walls of text a little better and linked the source you are quoting from to provide some context, your point might be a little more legible.
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November 1st, 2017 at 7:47:19 AM permalink
Since I'm turning 26 and can no longer mooch off my parent's health insurance, so I signed up for coverage on healthcare.gov for the first time.

The site is working well and is easy to use, no hangups at all. The part that doesn't work so well is where you enter your doctor's/prescriptions and it attempts to tell you if they are covered under a particular plan, and estimate those costs. It gave me completely bunk info compared to what the insurer's website was telling me.

I entered a few different incomes out of curiosity to see what the subsidy was like. At $30k yearly income, the tax credit is around $300/mo. It tapers off to $0/month at around $60k yearly income. This is with no dependents, I'm not sure if having any increases the subsidy or not.

Here are the plans I was offered as a non-smoking 26yo healthy male:

Bottom of the barrel coverage was $321/mo. This plan pays out absolutely nothing until you hit the $6,700 deductible in healthcare expenses.

The least expensive plan with a $0 deductible was $375/mo. The Copay's on that were:
Emergency room care: $550
Generic drugs: $15
Primary doctor: $40
Specialist doctor: $80

From there, there were various plans with premiums up to $780/mo with copay's getting lower as the premium increased.

In my opinion, the biggest issue with all of this is that in my State/County, I was only offered plans from a single company. Zero competition. I'm not sure what the reason for that is, but I feel like if there was more competition, a dogsh*t healthcare plan for a healthy young adult wouldn't cost $321/mo. Thus lower income individuals might not need any subsidies at all to afford a basic plan.
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November 1st, 2017 at 8:02:12 AM permalink
Quote: gamerfreak

I have no idea what you are saying.

Not that the forum's character encoding being broken is helping anything, but I think if you formatted these walls of text a little better and linked the source you are quoting from to provide some context, your point might be a little more legible.



It must be a browser function. When I read it on one browser, it's fine. On my kindle, it gets all sorts of symbols ,where ever quotation marks are.
Gist of the article is that Boehner claims there are actual Nazis in the U.S. Congress.
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November 1st, 2017 at 8:07:57 AM permalink
Quote: gamerfreak

Since I'm turning 26 and can no longer mooch off my parent's health insurance, so I signed up for coverage on healthcare.gov for the first time.

The site is working well and is easy to use, no hangups at all. The part that doesn't work so well is where you enter your doctor's/prescriptions and it attempts to tell you if they are covered under a particular plan, and estimate those costs. It gave me completely bunk info compared to what the insurer's website was telling me.

I entered a few different incomes out of curiosity to see what the subsidy was like. At $30k yearly income, the tax credit is around $300/mo. It tapers off to $0/month at around $60k yearly income. This is with no dependents, I'm not sure if having any increases the subsidy or not.

Here are the plans I was offered as a non-smoking 26yo healthy male:

Bottom of the barrel coverage was $321/mo. This plan pays out absolutely nothing until you hit the $6,700 deductible in healthcare expenses.

The least expensive plan with a $0 deductible was $375/mo. The Copay's on that were:
Emergency room care: $550
Generic drugs: $15
Primary doctor: $40
Specialist doctor: $80

From there, there were various plans with premiums up to $780/mo with copay's getting lower as the premium increased.

In my opinion, the biggest issue with all of this is that in my State/County, I was only offered plans from a single company. Zero competition. I'm not sure what the reason for that is, but I feel like if there was more competition, a dogsh*t healthcare plan for a healthy young adult wouldn't cost $321/mo. Thus lower income individuals might not need any subsidies at all to afford a basic plan.



That $321 plan comes with $300 tax credit for someone earning $30,000 so it's real cost is about $250 a year.
On the other plan, while emergency rooms may have a $550 deductible, what is it for Urgent Care centers? That's where hospitals want you to go most times.
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November 1st, 2017 at 8:37:21 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

That $321 plan comes with $300 tax credit for someone earning $30,000 so it's real cost is about $250 a year.
On the other plan, while emergency rooms may have a $550 deductible, what is it for Urgent Care centers? That's where hospitals want you to go most times.


$100 for urgent care, which sucks for me because its $20 on my current plan.

My primary care doctors office always has a 1 month+ wait for appointments. I get a sinus infection 2x a year between the seasons that I need a $3 prescription antibiotic for unless I want to be sick for 3 weeks. I always go to the urgent care for that, but Im not paying $100 to get a $3 prescription written. Maybe I just need to find a primary care that doesnt make me wait a whole month to be seen.
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November 1st, 2017 at 8:42:32 AM permalink
So you'd rather pay $300+ a month instead of just $103 twice a year? And you people can't understand why insurance is a SCAM??
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November 1st, 2017 at 8:43:42 AM permalink
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$100 for urgent care, which sucks for me because it�s $20 on my current plan.

My primary care doctor�s office always has a 1 month+ wait for appointments. I get a sinus infection 2x a year between the seasons that I need a $3 prescription antibiotic for unless I want to be sick for 3 weeks. I always go to the urgent care for that, but I�m not paying $100 to get a $3 prescription written. Maybe I just need to find a primary care that doesn�t make me wait a whole month to get seen.



Many plans now have a call in service where you talk to a PA or Nurse Practitioner and in the event of a reoccurring infection write you a prescription without an office visit. When I was in NY, with Oscar, they also laid out $250 a year for gym membership. Be sure to look for these sorts of benefits when choosing a plan.
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November 1st, 2017 at 8:59:45 AM permalink
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So you'd rather pay $300+ a month instead of just $103 twice a year? And you people can't understand why insurance is a SCAM??


That would be great, but I dont want to go bankrupt if I get cancer or hit by a bus.
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November 1st, 2017 at 9:03:19 AM permalink
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So you'd rather pay $300+ a month instead of just $103 twice a year? And you people can't understand why insurance is a SCAM??


That would be great, but I dont want to go bankrupt if I get cancer or hit by a bus.


You'll go bankrupt before either happens.

Insurance company CEO's are laughing at the millions of suckers buying their scam.
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November 1st, 2017 at 9:36:18 AM permalink
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So you'd rather pay $300+ a month instead of just $103 twice a year? And you people can't understand why insurance is a SCAM??



Yeah, it's somewhat of a scam. Alot of people feel that way, until they're on the other side of the fence, facing manageable medical bills when they discover they have cancer, are pregnant, get interactions to a drug that causes hospitalization, etc.

The reason insurance exists is to collect money and distribute it to the people who need it. Unfortunately for health care providers (insurance companies, doctors, hospitals, pharmaceuticals, medical supply companies) they have managed to find various methods to maximize profit by price-fixing, monopolies, overcharging, and overvaluing their services.

Health insurance would be a hell of a lot cheaper if competition was mandated and fair pricing was placed on services provided and extreme greed was extremely taxed.
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November 1st, 2017 at 12:05:53 PM permalink
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I get a sinus infection 2x a year



Poor tip: befriend your dentist. They sling the same stuff. Tell them that cavity they found "feels itchy". Boom, antibiotics.

Pro poor tip: livestock take the same stuff. Farmers and vets can get you out of a pinch.

I suffered the exact same thing for my whole life until i got into aquariums. I've not had one since. Assuming you're a northerner, run a humidifier like religion.
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November 1st, 2017 at 12:20:57 PM permalink
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Poor tip: befriend your dentist. They sling the same stuff. Tell them that cavity they found "feels itchy". Boom, antibiotics.

Pro poor tip: livestock take the same stuff. Farmers and vets can get you out of a pinch.

I suffered the exact same thing for my whole life until i got into aquariums. I've not had one since. Assuming you're a northerner, run a humidifier like religion.


I know an ER doctor who would write it for me if I ask, more of a friend of a friend. I feel bad even though he says he doesnt mind, but im asking for antibiotics not painkillers. It wasnt worth hassling him when I could go to urgent care for $20, but now I might ask.

Ive heard of end of world preppers stockpiling fish antibiotics.

Ive tried the humidifiers but I get a nasty sinus infection like clockwork during the transition from winter to spring and summer to fall. A Z-Pack clears it up really fast, even though the doctors always tell me they never prescribe it anymore because its one of the most resistant antibiotic due to overuse. I insist on it and it always works like a charm.
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November 1st, 2017 at 12:42:31 PM permalink
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Quote: Ibeatyouraces

So you'd rather pay $300+ a month instead of just $103 twice a year? And you people can't understand why insurance is a SCAM??


That would be great, but I dont want to go bankrupt if I get cancer or hit by a bus.



You can run up a bill for 10k just getting tested, and no treatment like I did.

Went to quick care.
Sent by ambulance to hospital for arrhythmia on an ekg.
Underwent further tests overnight.
Found nothing to treat.

Bill for 10k.

Insurance covered it.
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November 1st, 2017 at 2:26:26 PM permalink
As executor of my Mothers estate, I had to deal with her medical bills. Less than a year before she died, she had emergency open heart surgery. It was almost $240,000, not counting the hospital stay which ran about $1800 a day for ten days.
The night she died, we called an ambulance( $1800). Her ER treatment was over $10,000, not counting her unsuccessful surgery, which ran over $50,000. Between Tri-Care For Life and Medicaid, our out of pocket cost was zero.
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November 2nd, 2017 at 8:23:38 AM permalink
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Oh, things are going sooooo smoothly with North Koria, pence as it turns out is a pretty good insurance policy though I still hold fair odds he will indeed get impeached or resign before his term is up, and don't we now have white neo nazis running around america with trump saying "some of them are good people too" ??? Sounds like we're well on our way on all of those campaign promises ;-)


Huh? I don't remember this actually happening. I remember people thinking this happened (re: Charlottesville)....but it didn't happen, since ya know, I'm capable of reading a transcript and listening to that video. I'd love to see a transcript or video of Trump saying the things you said he did. I'll even link to the video and a transcript.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ix3764QIBIc
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-trump-charlottesville-transcript-20170815-story.html

I literally watched his press conference where he said there were "good people on both sides" because he believed not everyone was bad, while MARCHING WITH the neo-nazi's chanting "jews will not replace us" and "blood and soil" and other nazi slogans/slurs/hate speech.

1 minute: "you had very fine people on both sides"... NO, NO you do not have "very fine" people MARCHING ALONG SIDE NEO-NAZIS CHANTING HATE.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3vmUNi0yhs

That took maybe 30 seconds to find. You really did your homework, didn't you?
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November 2nd, 2017 at 9:58:19 AM permalink
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Quote: RS

Quote: Romes

Oh, things are going sooooo smoothly with North Koria, pence as it turns out is a pretty good insurance policy though I still hold fair odds he will indeed get impeached or resign before his term is up, and don't we now have white neo nazis running around america with trump saying "some of them are good people too" ??? Sounds like we're well on our way on all of those campaign promises ;-)


Huh? I don't remember this actually happening. I remember people thinking this happened (re: Charlottesville)....but it didn't happen, since ya know, I'm capable of reading a transcript and listening to that video. I'd love to see a transcript or video of Trump saying the things you said he did. I'll even link to the video and a transcript.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ix3764QIBIc
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-trump-charlottesville-transcript-20170815-story.html

I literally watched his press conference where he said there were "good people on both sides" because he believed not everyone was bad, while MARCHING WITH the neo-nazi's chanting "jews will not replace us" and "blood and soil" and other nazi slogans/slurs/hate speech.

1 minute: "you had very fine people on both sides"... NO, NO you do not have "very fine" people MARCHING ALONG SIDE NEO-NAZIS CHANTING HATE.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3vmUNi0yhs

That took maybe 30 seconds to find. You really did your homework, didn't you?



This has been covered here before. It has become RS's hobby to pretend that Donald didn't say what he said RE: "good people on both sides." Just ignore it, he's trolling.
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November 2nd, 2017 at 2:31:54 PM permalink
ANTIFA is planning a series of protests beginning November 4th, to rid the nation of what they say is an illegitimate regime.

Non-stop protests across twenty cities from NYC to Honolulu, ‘will not stop until our single demand is met’.

“We will gather in the streets and public squares of cities and towns across this country, at first many thousands declaring that this whole regime is illegitimate and that we will not stop until our single demand is met: This Nightmare Must End: the Trump/Pence Regime Must Go!
Our protest must grow day after day and night after night—thousands becoming hundreds of thousands, and then millions—determined to act to put a stop to the grave danger that the Trump/Pence Regime poses to the world by demanding that this whole regime be removed from power.”

Expect them to be armed with more than baseball bats, chains and hammers this time around.
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November 2nd, 2017 at 2:52:02 PM permalink
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ANTIFA is planning a series of protests beginning November 4th, to rid the nation of what they say is an illegitimate regime.

Non-stop protests across twenty cities from NYC to Honolulu, ‘will not stop until our single demand is met’.

“We will gather in the streets and public squares of cities and towns across this country, at first many thousands declaring that this whole regime is illegitimate and that we will not stop until our single demand is met: This Nightmare Must End: the Trump/Pence Regime Must Go!
Our protest must grow day after day and night after night—thousands becoming hundreds of thousands, and then millions—determined to act to put a stop to the grave danger that the Trump/Pence Regime poses to the world by demanding that this whole regime be removed from power.”

Expect them to be armed with more than baseball bats, chains and hammers this time around.



Maybe Trump should follow BO's lead and sick the IRS on them. Edit: Left didn't see much a problem with using the IRS as a weapon against your political enemies. Not exactly leading by example but hey, they're cool with it. (disclaimer: I've been trying to ignore politics here for some time. Looks to be the usual going on. The homeless suspension was CLASSIC babs. Totally saw that coming. Well, with the warning of course.)
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November 2nd, 2017 at 2:53:49 PM permalink
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ANTIFA is planning a series of protests beginning November 4th, to rid the nation of what they say is an illegitimate regime.

Non-stop protests across twenty cities from NYC to Honolulu, ‘will not stop until our single demand is met’.

“We will gather in the streets and public squares of cities and towns across this country, at first many thousands declaring that this whole regime is illegitimate and that we will not stop until our single demand is met: This Nightmare Must End: the Trump/Pence Regime Must Go!
Our protest must grow day after day and night after night—thousands becoming hundreds of thousands, and then millions—determined to act to put a stop to the grave danger that the Trump/Pence Regime poses to the world by demanding that this whole regime be removed from power.”

Expect them to be armed with more than baseball bats, chains and hammers this time around.



Gather up your children and womenfolk. Be afraid. Be very afraid.
Or perhaps not. I hear they are going to execute white parents and force feed the corpses to the children, and that thousands of Antifa super-soldiers have been juicing and training for just this moment.
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November 2nd, 2017 at 3:34:33 PM permalink
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ANTIFA is planning a series of protests beginning November 4th, to rid the nation of what they say is an illegitimate regime.

Non-stop protests across twenty cities from NYC to Honolulu, ‘will not stop until our single demand is met’.

“We will gather in the streets and public squares of cities and towns across this country, at first many thousands declaring that this whole regime is illegitimate and that we will not stop until our single demand is met: This Nightmare Must End: the Trump/Pence Regime Must Go!
Our protest must grow day after day and night after night—thousands becoming hundreds of thousands, and then millions—determined to act to put a stop to the grave danger that the Trump/Pence Regime poses to the world by demanding that this whole regime be removed from power.”

Expect them to be armed with more than baseball bats, chains and hammers this time around.



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