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AxelWolf
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August 2nd, 2017 at 9:58:41 AM permalink
Quote: gamerfreak

I've been told the pilots working for helicopter tour companies are only paid about $15/hr.

I'm having a hard time believing that.
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August 2nd, 2017 at 10:05:39 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I'm having a hard time believing that.



http://www.maverickaviationgroup.com/pilot-requirements.aspx

A lot of requirements to be considered.
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August 2nd, 2017 at 10:59:54 AM permalink
Quote: Boz

http://www.maverickaviationgroup.com/pilot-requirements.aspx

A lot of requirements to be considered.

Maybe they get tips or something on top of the $15 an hr.
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August 2nd, 2017 at 11:12:07 AM permalink
My neighbor is a ramp attendant/ apprentice mechanic for Grand Canyon Airlines and I'm fairly sure he makes more than that. He attended a local aviation mechanics program and spent over 50,000 to get a certificate.
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August 2nd, 2017 at 11:46:48 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Maybe they get tips or something on top of the $15 an hr.



Yea that's my point, seems low. I can't find line cooks that want to work at $15, maybe I need to start hanging out with copter pilots.
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August 2nd, 2017 at 11:51:39 AM permalink
President of Mexico and the Head of the Boy Scouts both claim Trump was lying about recent phone calls they supposedly had. White House confirms no recent calls between P.O.t.u.S and Mexican President.

You folks must be exhausted with all this winning.
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August 2nd, 2017 at 12:57:04 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

President of Mexico and the Head of the Boy Scouts both claim Trump was lying about recent phone calls they supposedly had. White House confirms no recent calls between P.O.t.u.S and Mexican President.

You folks must be exhausted with all this winning.



As always, winning comes down to how it effects the individual. My IRA and stock investments are winning, people seem to feel confident about their personal finances so they are spending money. Again this helps me win.

Would this have happened with Prez Hillary? Maybe but it seems most companies feel confident too so they are winning. You could argue they think Trump is an idiot and won't get in their way with regulations. Who cares, it's all about winning. And so far he hasn't found a way to reduce debt and government benefits, so those collecting are winning. Dems are raising record numbers of donations, they have to see that as a win.

Hard to find any losers since he has been elected. Perhaps those who fear they have something to lose if he actually got something done.
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August 2nd, 2017 at 1:40:15 PM permalink
Quote: Boz

Hard to find any losers since he has been elected. Perhaps those who fear they have something to lose if he actually got something done.



It's long term consequences some of us are concerned about. For instance, you improve production by loosening regulations there may be a price to pay.

10 years later, cancer rates are up. That's not winning. But it is typical rightwing thinking about winning -- hell to pay later, let's just make money and call it winning.
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August 2nd, 2017 at 1:48:23 PM permalink
Seems like the biggest losers are those working for Trump! If I had a job at the White House, I'd make damn sure my resume was up to date and I had a few months living expenses saved up....!

Seriously, though, the average American probably isn't seeing much winning OR losing under Trump. As with most Presidents, most people's day to day life isn't affected much if at all by what the President or Congress does.
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August 2nd, 2017 at 2:34:04 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

It's long term consequences some of us are concerned about. For instance, you improve production by loosening regulations there may be a price to pay.

10 years later, cancer rates are up. That's not winning. But it is typical rightwing thinking about winning -- hell to pay later, let's just make money and call it winning.



With the debt rising year after year, no one in Washington cares about the future they are leaving for their kids.
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August 2nd, 2017 at 2:36:04 PM permalink
Speaking of airlines.

I know someone who is a licensed airline parts refurbisher. The parts he receives are required by law to be refurbished at specific intervals of up to three years, depending on the part. Inside each part that he receives is a history of all the previous work that was done on the part. The airline companies are permitted to send the parts to Mexico for refurbishment. When he studies the records for the parts supposedly refurbished in Mexico, the records indicate the parts were refurbished, but when he examines the parts, he often finds the refurbishment was never done. Nothing was replaced, and planes have been flying with a part or parts that have not been refurbished in six years or longer.
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August 2nd, 2017 at 3:06:31 PM permalink
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Nothing was replaced, and planes have been flying with a part or parts that have not been refurbished in six years or longer.



That sounds terrifying, but it also speaks to the quality of the original parts and skills of the engineers that under those conditions there aren't far more airplane accidents than there are.

I still don't fly unless I absolutely have to.
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August 2nd, 2017 at 3:09:09 PM permalink
Quote: Boz

With the debt rising year after year, no one in Washington cares about the future they are leaving for their kids.



Just wait till the GOP tries to pass massive tax cuts without paying for them...
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August 2nd, 2017 at 3:18:53 PM permalink
Quote: Boz

http://www.maverickaviationgroup.com/pilot-requirements.aspx

A lot of requirements to be considered.



Maverick helicopter pilots make 270/day or about 70k (as of 2012). Pilots at regional airlines earn a starting pay of between $43 and $98/hour. Per hour, meaning flight-hour. 1/2 that for duty hour and you are only allowed 100 hours per month. So conceiving a starting pilot could earn $43k, but that pay improves drastically with experience and training.
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August 2nd, 2017 at 3:45:37 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Maybe they get tips or something on top of the $15 an hr.



See the Grand Canyon by helicopter! Now only $50!
(Return trip from the Grand Canyon by helicopter $450)
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August 2nd, 2017 at 3:47:58 PM permalink
The guy loves to stick to bull. Yes, the Whitehouse to him is probably a dump compared to his eminence's residence at Trump tower. Probably says the same thing about the finest rooms in historical hotels too.

And then the BoyScout and Mexican president comments today which is complete exaggeration / bull. Meanwhile Congress/Senate force a bill on Trump that he has to sign restricting himself from changing sanctions against Russia.

And by Boz's definition of winning there were plenty of winning going on towards the end of Obama's term. And plenty of "winning" is going on today.
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August 2nd, 2017 at 4:41:19 PM permalink
Quote: ams288

Just wait till the GOP tries to pass massive tax cuts without paying for them...



I don't disagree but it proves my point they both are unwilling to make the hard decisions needed to financially secure the future. But the public has no appetite for spending cuts or tax increases unless it doesn't effect them. Everyone wants the other guy to pay more, just not them.
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August 2nd, 2017 at 7:03:50 PM permalink
Quote: Boz

I don't disagree but it proves my point they both are unwilling to make the hard decisions needed to financially secure the future. But the public has no appetite for spending cuts or tax increases unless it doesn't effect them. Everyone wants the other guy to pay more, just not them.



Isn't that the gist of 160% of your posts? That others should pay more, so you can pay less?
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August 2nd, 2017 at 9:25:39 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

Isn't that the gist of 160% of your posts? That others should pay more, so you can pay less?


I don't think so.

He's not saying he wants others to pay more so he can pay less. He's saying he doesn't want to pay more so that others can pay less.
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August 2nd, 2017 at 11:43:31 PM permalink
Quote: RS

I don't think so.

He's not saying he wants others to pay more so he can pay less. He's saying he doesn't want to pay more so that others can pay less.



Bill: he's saying 6+5=11
RS: no, he's saying 5+6=11.

Can we agree that many of his posts are about his burdens and others lack of them.
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August 3rd, 2017 at 12:46:33 AM permalink
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Can we agree that many of his posts are about his burdens and others lack of them.



Taxes weren't designed to be used fairly according to how much one puts in, they were designed to be used with input from each voter.
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August 3rd, 2017 at 7:24:12 AM permalink
The Washington Post has obtained transcripts of Donald's January calls with the leaders of Mexico and Australia.

Trump urged Mexican president to end his public defiance on border wall, transcript reveals

Everyone knows the "Mexico will pay for the wall" line was B.S. (except the Trumpsters, apparently). Now we have confirmation from Donald himself.

Quote:

He described the wall as “the least important thing we are talking about, but politically this might be the most important.”



Quote:

To solve that problem, Trump pressured Peña Nieto to suppress the issue. When pressed on who would pay for the wall, “We should both say, ‘We will work it out.’ It will work out in the formula somehow,” Trump said. “As opposed to you saying, ‘We will not pay,’ and me saying, ‘We will not pay.’ ”

Peña Nieto resisted, saying that Trump’s repeated threats had placed “a very big mark on our back, Mr. President.” He warned that “my position has been and will continue to be very firm, saying that Mexico cannot pay for the wall.”

Trump objected: “But you cannot say that to the press. The press is going to go with that, and I cannot live with that.”

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August 3rd, 2017 at 7:24:55 AM permalink
And this is my favorite bit of the leaked transcripts, showing just how little Donald cares for his supporters:

Quote: Dumb Donald

“We have a massive drug problem where kids are becoming addicted to drugs because the drugs are being sold for less money than candy,” Trump said. “I won New Hampshire because New Hampshire is a drug-infested den.”



He didn't even win New Hampshire! What a delusional nutjob...
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August 3rd, 2017 at 8:16:59 AM permalink
I love the Mexico conversation... you have to stop saying you won't pay for the wall... it makes me look bad. Um no, Donald... YOU make you look bad.
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August 3rd, 2017 at 9:12:58 AM permalink
Yes what a fun read. Truly Trump has no respect for earlier deals and doesn't understand the meaning of it. Australia's deal was to take on central american refugees for the refugees by boat. It was a win-win situation. Australia takes on refugees who are currently being smuggled through mexico and end up dead on trucks, and in turn the US takes on refugees from the middle-east who are only in prison because they arrived on boat and Australia has a strict policy on that arrival method because it encourages human trafficking because getting people to Australia on boats is easy.

As for the conversation with Mexico he knows (and so does everyone) that a renegotiation of NAFTA and balancing the trade deficit will pay for the wall.

Didn't the Mooch fire that leaker, or does Kelly still have a problem?

Anyway, distractions from what's really going on, which is North Korea, a tax reform package, immigration reform, and health care.
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August 3rd, 2017 at 9:24:16 AM permalink
Quote: boymimbo

Anyway, distractions from what's really going on, which is North Korea, a tax reform package, immigration reform, and health care.

He's holding NK back for the big show stopper. Meanwhile there is still potential for him to start a war with Scotland, Ireland, Wales, England, Sweden, Germany, Australia, Turkey ( No he likes Turkey ), Europe, NATO, Anywhere really.

Tax Reform and Healthcare will just be bigly excuses for him to be critical of his GOP traitors.

Now, on the very VERY near horizon, there is the minor issue of the debt ceiling. Tick Tock TICK TOCK. BOOM.

None of it will be his fault, of course.
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August 3rd, 2017 at 9:33:53 AM permalink
I'm winning
I'm winning
I'm winning
I'm winning.
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August 3rd, 2017 at 9:53:00 AM permalink
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I have had it. I have been making these calls all day, and this is the most unpleasant call all day.



When the media reported (accurately) on this Jan. 28th call with the Australian PM, Donald tweeted that they lied about it.

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August 3rd, 2017 at 9:56:01 AM permalink
Quote: ams288

And this is my favorite bit of the leaked transcripts, showing just how little Donald cares for his supporters:



He didn't even win New Hampshire! What a delusional nutjob...



I predict his first 2020 opponent will announce in NH.
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August 3rd, 2017 at 10:18:30 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

I'm winning
I'm winning
I'm winning
I'm winning.



Of course you are. You made LEGAL decisions in your life to limit your reportable taxable income and get government subsidies for your Health Care.

Believe it or not, I respect that. We need more people with that mentality, not less.
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August 3rd, 2017 at 10:31:51 AM permalink
Quote: boymimbo

Didn't the Mooch fire that leaker, or does Kelly still have a problem?



This leak is pure CIA.

It was in retaliation for Trump ending support for the CIA backed Syrian rebels.

The dirtbag Syrian rebels supported by the dirtbag CIA joyfully beheaded this poor ragged ten year old boy ‘fighter’, and proudly posted the video on the Internet.

If MSM covered this story, I didn’t see it.

Trump saw the video, and in disgust, immediately ordered and end to the dirtbag CIA support for Syrian rebels.

Days later, Jeff Bozo’s WAPO, distributor of CIA propaganda, tried to make Trump look like the bad guy and reported “Syrian rebels feel betrayed by US”, never mentioning the beheading.


Obama's Rebels - Your tax dollars at work.

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August 3rd, 2017 at 11:02:54 AM permalink
Trump to spend 3 WEEKS golfing at his NJ course lol

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/08/03/report-trump-set-for-three-week-vacation-at-bedminster-golf-course/23063304/
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August 3rd, 2017 at 11:34:13 AM permalink
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Trump to spend 3 WEEKS golfing at his NJ course lol



I wouldn't mind if he spent the rest of his term golfing, tbh...
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August 3rd, 2017 at 12:06:52 PM permalink
Quote: @RealDonaldTrump

Can you believe that,with all of the problems and difficulties facing the U.S., President Obama spent the day playing golf. Worse than Carter.
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump)
October 14, 2014



Hypocrite.
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August 3rd, 2017 at 12:20:28 PM permalink
Quote: boymimbo

Quote: @RealDonaldTrump

Can you believe that,with all of the problems and difficulties facing the U.S., President Obama spent the day playing golf. Worse than Carter.
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump)
October 14, 2014



Hypocrite.



"I would not be a president who took vacations. I would not be a president that takes time off.”
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August 3rd, 2017 at 12:32:26 PM permalink
What astounds me is that a third of the population still thinks he is honest.
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August 3rd, 2017 at 12:41:06 PM permalink
Huge breaking news:

Special Counsel Mueller Impanels Washington Grand Jury in Russia Probe

Quote:

“This is yet a further sign that there is a long-term, large-scale series of prosecutions being contemplated and being pursued by the special counsel,” said Stephen I. Vladeck, a law professor at the University of Texas. “If there was already a grand jury in Alexandria looking at Flynn, there would be no need to reinvent the wheel for the same guy. This suggests that the investigation is bigger and wider than Flynn, perhaps substantially so.”

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August 3rd, 2017 at 1:52:45 PM permalink
And CNN reporting that Mueller is looking at potential financial crimes involving Russia... some unconnected to the election.

tick tick tick
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August 3rd, 2017 at 7:54:13 PM permalink
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And CNN reporting that Mueller is looking at potential financial crimes involving Russia... some unconnected to the election.

tick tick tick



About time .. Trump's been a crook and con man for decades.
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August 3rd, 2017 at 9:22:25 PM permalink
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About time .. Trump's been a crook and con man for decades.



Even if they stumble on 100% completely unrelated criminal activity, at the very least, it will be turned over to another investigative arm, as it won't just be ignored.

He has nothing to hide, I assume.
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August 4th, 2017 at 5:08:05 AM permalink
The Senate left town yesterday for five weeks, but it isn't *officially* going into recess - a move to prevent Donald from being able to fire Sessions and do a recess appointment for a new AG who could fire Mueller.

It's pretty funny when the GOP controlled Senate doesn't even trust their President...
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August 4th, 2017 at 7:21:49 AM permalink
Quote: ams288

The Senate left town yesterday for five weeks, but it isn't *officially* going into recess - a move to prevent Donald from being able to fire Sessions and do a recess appointment for a new AG who could fire Mueller.

It's pretty funny when the GOP controlled Senate doesn't even trust their President...



But it is also funny that the GOP Voters don't trust the Senate. If the Dems didn't have such a disadvantage on members up for reelection next year, they would easily win the Senate back.

It's going to be a fun 15 months seeing who sticks with Trump and who runs the other way. Of course like the weasels they are, they will pay focus groups to make the decision for them.
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August 4th, 2017 at 8:16:05 AM permalink
Quote: boymimbo

Quote: @RealDonaldTrump

Can you believe that,with all of the problems and difficulties facing the U.S., President Obama spent the day playing golf. Worse than Carter.
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump)
October 14, 2014



Hypocrite.



No, no, haven't you got this figured out by now?? Trump will claim the U.S. isn't facing any problems or difficulties at this time because of all the hard work he's done, so therefore it's not hypocritical for him to play golf.
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August 4th, 2017 at 8:29:27 AM permalink
Quote: Boz


It's going to be a fun 15 months seeing who sticks with Trump and who runs the other way. Of course like the weasels they are, they will pay focus groups to make the decision for them.



Trump still has too big of a fanbase for many Congressmen to bail on him. If his approval rating ever gets down into the teens, then he's in REAL trouble with the House and Senate, because they won't have to appease their constituents anymore.
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August 4th, 2017 at 9:19:01 AM permalink
The guy should swap Air Force One for a short bus.
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August 4th, 2017 at 11:45:25 AM permalink
I was watching Fox yesterday and someone I assume was a Fox reporter was standing in front of the White House explaining Trump is not going on vacation. He is moving to his golf club in order for the WH to be painted. Trump, he explained, has unbelievable stamina, rarely sleeps and is working even while on the golf course.
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August 4th, 2017 at 11:47:32 AM permalink
Quote: TigerWu

Trump still has too big of a fanbase for many Congressmen to bail on him. If his approval rating ever gets down into the teens, then he's in REAL trouble with the House and Senate, because they won't have to appease their constituents anymore.



Please. His ratings are at one third. They can't get much lower.
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August 4th, 2017 at 12:33:35 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

I was watching Fox yesterday and someone I assume was a Fox reporter was standing in front of the White House explaining Trump is not going on vacation. He is moving to his golf club in order for the WH to be painted. Trump, he explained, has unbelievable stamina, rarely sleeps and is working even while on the golf course.



Sounds like the Fox reporter could use a job at the North Korean state news agency. The only difference is that North Korea only has one news agency. Luckily, we still have the freedom to hear the rest, despite the Executive branch's attempt to marginalize them at every turn.

When do the Trump statues go up?

Don't get me wrong. I am sure Trump would want nothing more but to be a great president. The problem is that he lacks the skills to do so. I am sure that his team will knock out a few really good trade agreements. But he has already failed miserably on diplomacy and foreign issues. He overly reacts to things he watches on TV. He lacks analytical capabilities and does not have the capacity to think things through. He hires people who are loyal to him rather than people who can perform their job well.

But he can shovel manure better than anyone else, and people (including MSM) eat it all up. Yum.
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August 4th, 2017 at 1:12:53 PM permalink
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Don't get me wrong. I am sure Trump would want nothing more but to be a great president. The problem is that he lacks the skills to do so. I am sure that his team will knock out a few really good trade agreements. But he has already failed miserably on diplomacy and foreign issues. He overly reacts to things he watches on TV. He lacks analytical capabilities and does not have the capacity to think things through. He hires people who are loyal to him rather than people who can perform their job well.



Yeah, this is what I don't get. Trump is objectively a bad President. I don't see how anyone can argue otherwise. I mean, you can look at most other Presidents and, regardless of what policies they supported or enacted, you can tell they at least handled the job in a professional manner. Trump is not handling the office well at all. I mean, just by the nature of the job, I'm sure some good bills and/or laws or whatever will come to pass, but any idiot with a pen will eventually sign off on something good if it's their job 24/7/365.

Trump has no idea what he's doing. He is literally acting like a child. I 100% believe he has some kind of serious mental disability. He is a narcissist and a pathological liar. It's kind of baffling to me that there haven't been efforts to remove him from office, but like I said somewhere else on here, I think everyone is just so stunned that this is happening they're kind of frozen and they don't really know what to do. They're just kind of hoping it will somehow go away on it's own. It might. In 3 1/2 years.
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