Trump's Final 100 days

.....and BTW, at the risk of repeating myself, I personally do not take it well when someone continuously lies to me. You can, if you like, it's your prerogative. And I'm sorry that you let people BS you.

Quote: steeldco

.....and BTW, at the risk of repeating myself, I personally do not take it well when someone continuously lies to me. You can, if you like, it's your prerogative. And I'm sorry that you let people BS you.

So what did you do during the 8 years of Obama's bs and lies?

Quote: Homelessnyc

So what did you do during the 8 years of Obama's bs and lies?

Did you really believe that people, with some common sense, wouldn't expect a Gullible to pose that question? The Gullibles have to grasp at something in order to justify why they like to be BS'd and abused. The illogical seems to run rampant amongst the Gullibles. Unfortunately, it's perfectly understandable in our current screwed up world. Good Luck to you.

Quote: steeldco

Good Luck to you.

Thanks but you need the luck a lot more than i do with a reply like that.

I hope your tin foil hat didn't fall off while you were typing that reply.

Quote: Homelessnyc

I hope your tin foil hat didn't fall off while you were typing that reply.

Ruh roh.

Quote: steeldco

Did you really believe that people, with some common sense, wouldn't expect a Gullible to pose that question? The Gullibles have to grasp at something in order to justify why they like to be BS'd and abused. The illogical seems to run rampant amongst the Gullibles. Unfortunately, it's perfectly understandable in our current screwed up world. Good Luck to you.

Again I will never get why someone like you falls for this nonsense. I know you don't support either party but I don't get why you are so concerned about Trump. What has he done, or is trying to do that would hurt you? I don't see you as the typical liberal who thinks they have to save everyone because they are so stupid and helpless they would die without the government. If people are benefiting from things he is doing, great, if not it's up to them to better their life. If you are not mentally or physically handicapped, there has never been a better time to live in America and the world. Opportunity is all around you, take charge of your life and succeed. Or just continue to play victim and blame everyone except the person in the mirror. I do believe somewhere inside you know that.

Quote: Boz

Again I will never get why someone like you falls for this nonsense...

I don't get why ANYONE fall for the BS and lies ANY politicians tell you. It doesn't matter which side.

Quote: Ibeatyouraces

I don't get why ANYONE fall for the BS and lies ANY politicians tell you. It doesn't matter which side.

Why stop with politicians? NASA, the high priest of scientism, is part of the government too.

The two party system is what's broke as hell. Stop being democrats and republicans for a day and just be a citizen of the US. Regardless of what side you're on you see lobbyist paying for laws that favor them. You see politicians screwing over 98% of the population to give the wealthiest among us discounts on everything from taxes to restrictions to healthcare. You see lie after lie, from both sides, blaming the other side which is nothing more than a stalemate organized to keep you busy yelling at someone else OTHER than your party. At the end of the day what happens? Both sides yell at one another and your representatives get to be lifers sitting back collecting checks and payoffs from the lobbyists. Wanna get mad at someone? GET MAD AT YOUR REPRESENTATIVES, regardless of what "side" you're on.

F both parties... but since this is the tump last 100 days thread, yeah, he's a huge part of the idiotic problem.

Quote: Romes

The two party system is what's broke as hell.

Yup, two parties too many.

Many dems want to increase the power and scope of government then complain when the person they don't want is in charge. Republicans complain too but, like Boz said, at least many of them want to decrease gov.

Quote: RogerKint

Yup, two parties too many.

Many dems want to increase the power and scope of government then complain when the person they don't want is in charge. Republicans complain too but, like Boz said, at least many of them want to decrease gov.

By having trump run it as a CEO/dictator? lol... get out of the "my party is good the other is bad" mentality.

Quote: Romes

By having trump run it as a CEO/dictator? lol... get out of the "my party is good the other is bad" mentality.

My first sentence should have made it clear that I don't belong to a party...lol

Quote: Homelessnyc

Thanks but you need the luck a lot more than i do with a reply like that.

I hope your tin foil hat didn't fall off while you were typing that reply.

Let me see if I can boil this down to something that you can understand. Anybody who continuously lies to you does not deserve your support. It doesn't matter who they are, what party they belong to, what race they are. Nothing about them matters except for whether they have enough integrity to share the facts with you so that you can make appropriate decisions. I do the only thing that I can do. I vote against them and I lobby against them.

.....and I know that I am liable to get skewered for this since for some reason this acquired some racial tones, but one of America's oldest sayings on its early flags during the revolutionary war was "Don't Tread on Me". That should be in any way, physically or otherwise. You, as a Trump follower, have been Tread on. I will not be.

Quote: RogerKint

Why stop with politicians? NASA, the high priest of scientism, is part of the government too.

You should be able to name something which has a better record than "scientism".

scientism = excessive belief in the power of scientific knowledge and techniques

Quote: rxwine

...scientism = excessive belief in the power of scientific knowledge and techniques

Isn't that what Scientology is about?? ;-) lol, someone had to lighten the mood in here.

Quote: rxwine

You should be able to name something which has a better record than "scientism".

scientism = excessive belief in the power of scientific knowledge and techniques

Scientism has a horrible record. Didnt scientists think the earth was flat? The scientific method is the best thing we've got but humans are often easily corrupted.

Quote: RogerKint

Scientism has a horrible record. Didnt scientists think the earth was flat? The scientific method is the best thing we've got but humans are often easily corrupted.

That's the great thing about scientists though... When provided with better/updated data, they change their opinions =).

Quote: Romes

That's the great thing about scientists though... When provided with better/updated data, they change their opinions =).

That's for sure. First the globe is cooling, then it's warming, then it's cooling. Then it's not a globe anymore, it's flat, then it's an oblate spheroid ;)

Eddie Bravo has some pretty interesting theories on this subject. He thinks there's undiscovered lands beyond Antarctica.

Quote: RogerKint

Scientism has a horrible record. Didnt scientists think the earth was flat?

Knowledge that the earth is a sphere dates back as far as the early Greeks. It was early Christian theologians (e.g., St Augustine) who objected to this. The flat-earth mind set was further promoted by some, but not all, church scholars in the Middle Ages. It was the return of the scientific method during the Renaissance that put an end to that mistaken idea. Chalk one up for science.

Quote: steeldco

Let me see if I can boil this down to something that you can understand. Anybody who continuously lies to you does not deserve your support. It doesn't matter who they are, what party they belong to, what race they are. Nothing about them matters except for whether they have enough integrity to share the facts with you so that you can make appropriate decisions. I do the only thing that I can do. I vote against them and I lobby against them.

.....and I know that I am liable to get skewered for this since for some reason this acquired some racial tones, but one of America's oldest sayings on its early flags during the revolutionary war was "Don't Tread on Me". That should be in any way, physically or otherwise. You, as a Trump follower, have been Tread on. I will not be.

Exactly. I really don't mind people being a Republican or even a Tea Party or a Libertarian. However, I don't see how you can put steadfast support in Trump with all of the lies and deception and know that election was won THANKS TO tacit interference of a psuedo-dictatorship who wants to see America weaken. I know alot of people voted "lessor of two evils" which is fine. But as an American citizen voting the GOP line, you purport yourself as a supporter of freedom, but when your election is heavily influenced by the Russian government it must give you a pretty sour taste four your candidate to win.

Quote: boymimbo

Exactly. I really don't mind people being a Republican or even a Tea Party or a Libertarian. However, I don't see how you can put steadfast support in Trump with all of the lies and deception

The old quote: "Oh! what a tangled web we weave
When first we practise to deceive!"

I will make my own interpretation for Trump. Eventually all threads of many lies he creates will entangle and entrap him in a manner from which he will not escape. I don't know the exact moment or thing that will do it, but I think it will happen.

Quote: boymimbo

but when your election is heavily influenced by the Russian government ....

If you have proof of this, inform the FBI, because all they have to go on is a report from a third party contractor.

We will never know conclusively whether the Russians hacked the DNC server, because the DNC refused to allow the FBI or NSA to examine it.

Instead of cooperating with the government, the DNC hired a contractor to examine their server.

Draw your own conclusions.

Without ever seeing the server, the FBI and NSA confirmed the Russian hacks, based upon the report from the DNC contractor.

What I'm trying to figure out is -- IF the Russians hacked us and influenced our election, why isn't everyone cheering and shouting with joy -- we were this close to having that witch, Hillary Clinton, elected as president.

Unless there's proof of an actual "something" that influenced our election -- like HRC, DNC, or someone being paid off to throw the election, or votes being changed from HRC to DJT (ya know, something that actually would matter), etc. then this is all meaningless BS.

Quote: Tanko

Draw your own conclusions.

Without ever seeing the server, the FBI and NSA confirmed the Russian hacks, based upon the report from the DNC contractor.

Pretty sure the heads of several intelligence agencies say the Russians continue their cyber attacks even to this day.

Now maybe they didn't bother attacking during the election? Really?

You say draw your own conclusions. I think your conclusion is more full of holes than you think.

Quote: RS

What I'm trying to figure out is -- IF the Russians hacked us and influenced our election, why isn't everyone cheering and shouting with joy

Reagan is rolling over in his grave. Traitor.

Quote: rxwine

Pretty sure the heads of several intelligence agencies say the Russians continue their cyber attacks even to this day.

No one said the Russians were not committing cyber attacks. Other states have also tried. They are doing it right now.

Norse Cyber Attack Map - Live

According to the NSA and FBI, Russians attacked US voting infrastructure, and their efforts in this area did not change a single vote.

What we will never know for certain is whether they hacked into the DNC server.

We will also never know what information the DNC had on their server, they did not want the FBI to see. Draw your own conclusions.


Jeh Johnson. No evidence the Russians were successful in changing voting totals.


Comey and Rogers. No evidence Russians changed vote tallies.

Lots of tin foil going on here. But if you are happy that Russia (or another foreign body) influenced your election via Wikileaks likely orchestrated by the Russians, fake news stories dominating social media, then I believe hyprocrite is a word I would use for you. I mean the links in the post are from RT, the Kremlin's mouthpiece. If you can't discern your news sources and the influence they have, then you are part of the problem.

Quote: Tanko

According to the NSA and FBI, Russians attacked US voting infrastructure, and their efforts in this area did not change a single vote.

The issue of changed votes is a peripheral one. The Russian cyber attacks were part of a larger psy-ops which is defined as:

"action which is practiced mainly by psychological methods with the aim of evoking a planned psychological reaction in other people...and are aimed at influencing a target audience's value system, belief system, emotions, motives, reasoning, or behavior. ....Target audiences can be governments, organizations, groups, and individuals, and is not just limited to soldiers. Civilians of foreign territories can also be targeted by technology and media so as to cause an effect in the government of their country."

For multiple reasons, Putin wishes to discredit the very concept of Western democracy and free elections. Casting doubt on the validity of election results and re-enforcing Trump's pre-election narrative of rigged elections would be consistent with Russian strategic objectives and their known doctrine and tactics for conducting psyops and asymmetric warfare. Simply the presence of indicators that the voting infrastructure had been targeted would suffice. Actually changing votes would have been icing on the cake.

Quote: Tanko

What we will never know for certain is whether they hacked into the DNC server.

Nobody in national security would ever use the phrase "know for certain" since in warfare, certainty is a rarity. Instead they ask if the intel is actionable. As to your use of "we", if you mean the US government, then they certainly know more than they will say in public. If you mean the general public, there are still pretty good indicators available. The folks at Ars Technica have had a series of articles on the subject but I'll point you to one in particular: "Guccifer” leak of DNC Trump research has a Russian’s fingerprints on it. If you still doubt it was the Russians, you can also read Evidence suggests Russia behind hack of French president-elect

"Russia hacked the election" is the new "Obama is a Kenyan Muslim Socialist."

Quote: boymimbo

I mean the links in the post are from RT, the Kremlin's mouthpiece. If you can't discern your news sources and the influence they have, then you are part of the problem.

You lie.

Only one of the five links was RT. The other four are from CNN and C-Span.

So, you got it all wrong once again.

As for McAfee, his message would be no different if he was interviewed on CBS or NBC.

Perhaps they would have interviewed him, if his message conformed with the narrative.

The Wikileaks reports didn't contain any explosive revelations, and Hilary won the popular vote by three million votes.

Still, you conclude our election was “heavily influenced by the Russian government”.

Here's the definition out of the Merriam-Webster dictionary:

"Definition of gullible for English Language Learners

: easily fooled or cheated; especially : quick to believe something that is not true"


How does the above definition not apply to Trump's Gullibles?

He treads on you and doesn't even wipe his shoes................

Quote: steeldco

Here's the definition out of the Merriam-Webster dictionary:

"Definition of gullible for English Language Learners

: easily fooled or cheated; especially : quick to believe something that is not true"


How does the above definition not apply to Trump's Gullibles?

He treads on you and doesn't even wipe his shoes................

The above definition exactly describes 99.9999999% of people in the U.S.

Quote: Ibeatyouraces

The above definition exactly describes 99.9999999% of people in the U.S.

So you agree that it applies to the Trump Gullibles :-)

Quote: steeldco

So you agree that it applies to the Trump Gullibles :-)

It doesn't matter which side you're on.

Quote: Ibeatyouraces

It doesn't matter which side you're on.

Sure it does. I am on the right side. Don't BS or lie to me. Others need to acquire some self-respect.

Quote: steeldco

Sure it does. I am on the right side. Don't BS or lie to me. Others need to acquire some self-respect.

I still would love to know why you hate Trump so much. I see your "lying " excuse as a cover but maybe I'm wrong. We have all made good money in the market and anyone who wants to do well for themselves can.

Honestly I don't see the reason for all that hate. What has Trump to hurt YOU or your family?

Quote: steeldco

Sure it does. I am on the right side. Don't BS or lie to me. Others need to acquire some self-respect.

No It doesn't. Regardless of which side you're on, if you believe what they tell you, you're gullible.

The fact that one would post *any* link from Russia Today puts doubt on your reasoning.

All of your intelligence agencies conclude that Russia did everything it could to influenced the election towards more people voting for Trump, via Clinton smear campaigns which were a bunch of fake news, Wikileaks, and other means which brought more Trump voters to the polls. That is completely obvious.

I don't mind that Trump won. I don't think the Electoral college requires tweaking. What I mind is the tacit approval of GOP folks accepting Russian interference as perfectly fine. Or that there is a possibility of collusion from the Trump campaign with the Russian government.

There are other worse things: gerrymandering; the immense amount of money allowed to be used in a campaign; a stupidly long election cycles which makes politicians who should be doing their job focus on one thing - their own longevity.

Quote: Boz

I still would love to know why you hate Trump so much.

I personally just hate him as a person. And this goes back to long before he ever ran for President. I just think he's a scumbag and a P.O.S.

But it's too soon (I think) to actually judge the job he's done as President. I don't think he's going to be a good one just based on his past actions and persona, but time will tell and I could be wrong.

Quote: Boz

I still would love to know why you hate Trump so much. I see your "lying " excuse as a cover but maybe I'm wrong. We have all made good money in the market and anyone who wants to do well for themselves can.

Honestly I don't see the reason for all that hate. What has Trump to hurt YOU or your family?

Boz, I'm not sure why it is that you don't understand my opinion. It has nothing to do with something being done to me personally.
It starts with Trump possibly being the most frequent liar that I have ever run across and he knows you buy into it.

Aside from that, I do think that he is delusional and not operating with a full deck, so to speak. However, on this item I do believe that our checks and balances will probably keep him from doing anything too detrimental domestically. I do fear, however, that he can really screw us internationally.

Lastly, again, and don't make me keep repeating this, see the first point about lying. Nobody should accept being bullshitted for political agenda. I take it personally. These politicians assume that you are stupid when you just accept their crap. This is not just Trump, although he may be the most prolific liar ever. You can easily throw a Pelosi or Schumer into this group. They need to taken out of officer also.

Quote: steeldco

Sure it does. I am on the right side. Don't BS or lie to me. Others need to acquire some self-respect.

U r on the right side as in wrong or right?

Or as in right and left?

In political discussions u hav to be very clear

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/06/23/a-long-overlooked-player-is-emerging-as-a-key-figure-in-the-trum/22778998/

Good article about where the investigation is headed and russian interference

Essentially the article points are that the digital director of Trump's campaign, Brad Parscale, is now under the microscope. The article points to data given from Guccifer to Nevins who used the free data stolen from DNC to target campaigns in those districts. Nevins has no regrets about using data stolen by Russians to help in a campaign.

Now, if that doesn't turn your stomach, I don't know what does. What is equally as bad is that the Dems would do and likely have done the exact same thing.

What is clear is that Donald wanted to "drain the swamp" in Washington and instead he welcomed the help of a foreign power to try to win the election. If anyone was scrupulous, they would have thrown out the stolen data and paid to do their own research. But because SCOTUS allows people and corporations to use all of their money freely to support candidates, be it by direct support or via a PAC, in addition to voter suppression and gerrymandering, the whole ideal of democracy has been warped by the gravity of money and political dirty games. And while my examples are GOP strategies, the Democrats also use strategies which are equally as immoral and thwarts the will of the people.

People believe that the Obama government could have done much better with regards to foreign relations with Russia, but the annexation of Crimea by Russia was completely unacceptable. Putin himself is extremely corrupt, shunting billions of dollars of the Russian public's money into his own country. And while it pays to have a decent relationship with a huge world player especially when it comes to having common goals over Syria, Iran, and North Korea, both countries are at opposite ends of the spectrum when it comes to policy and its views of democracy. In short, the Russian government is pretty evil by Western standards.

America had a choice to accept the evil and wheel and deal with them, which is what Trump's administrations appears to want to do, becoming more isolationist in the process. Or to condemn the action and do what's right, which is what Obama wanted to do.

The problem with Obama's approach was that the funding and willpower wasn't there to do what's right and the American people were getting sick of being the world cop and screwing up. Face it, despite the fact that Iraq wanted US forces out of their country (and Bush signed the agreement), the threat of ISIL must have been known and US forces could have been left on the ground to squash that uprising at the source. Afghanistan is still unstable. And the actions in Syria by opposing forces created a vacuum that allowed for the propagation of extremism.

I think what Trump has right is the ideal to let countries sort it out themselves. The problem is that there is so much intervention from other foreign countries that the US has to intervene in order to serve its own interests. I think the Trump administration wishy-washy attitude in Qatar and Syria is a reflection of an administration that doesn't want to deal with foreign policy but has to.

I think that if Hillary and Nancy Pelosi could each grow a pair, they can easily change their names to Donnie and Donnie Jr.
They would each have a slight advantage over Trumpy in that his alzheimers is further along than theirs.

Quote: steeldco

They would each have a slight advantage over Trumpy in that his alzheimers is further along than theirs.

Which medical school did you graduate from?

Nevada Sen. Heller came out against the Senate bill. Some POG proxy group is going to saturate the airwaves this week with ads for people to confront him on it, and have promised a primary challenge. Unlike the Gang of Four lead by Paul and Cruz, he feels this bill punishes the poor too much, while the Gang of Idiots don't think it punishes them enough.
The Obama Medicaid expansion has allowed almost three million Vets to get health insurance outside of the VA. Take that away and they run back and overwhelm
the system. But Trump and Republicans love our Vets . Just ask them.

Quote: Homelessnyc

Which medical school did you graduate from?

Reagan had Alzheimer's too. Did you only believe that once you heard it from an M.D.?

Quote: ams288

Reagan had Alzheimer's too. Did you only believe that once you heard it from an M.D.?

As opposed from getting it from random untrained posters online?

Trumps campaign manager in Vermont filed a bank fraud complaint against Mrs. Sanders. First he filed it at the state level and then at the Federal level. So now the DOJ is looking into it, but there is no head of the Vermont office because Trump fired him. Not to worry, Trump is about to appoint a new head of the office. Leading candidate is none other than Trumps campaign manager, the very person who filed the complaint.
Way to drain the swamp.

Quote: steeldco

Boz, I'm not sure why it is that you don't understand my opinion. It has nothing to do with something being done to me personally.
It starts with Trump possibly being the most frequent liar that I have ever run across and he knows you buy into it.

Aside from that, I do think that he is delusional and not operating with a full deck, so to speak. However, on this item I do believe that our checks and balances will probably keep him from doing anything too detrimental domestically. I do fear, however, that he can really screw us internationally.

Lastly, again, and don't make me keep repeating this, see the first point about lying. Nobody should accept being bullshitted for political agenda. I take it personally. These politicians assume that you are stupid when you just accept their crap. This is not just Trump, although he may be the most prolific liar ever. You can easily throw a Pelosi or Schumer into this group. They need to taken out of officer also.

So who is there to save us? The system is not changing in our lifetimes, so sure we can bitch about it, but we are not changing it. It really is every man for himself, as it always has been. And other than nuclear war I personally love being in charge of my life. Never has been a better time for strivers to achieve. All it takes is determination and hard work. We all have a limited life span, why not take advantage of the opportunities that present themselves instead of blaming some guy who is helping make your life better?