Trump's Final 100 days
His first 100 days are history, so I assert that it is counter productive to add comments to a thread about his first 100 days.
In an uncharacteristically optimistic mood, I invite discussion of his Final 100 days, which has hopefully now begun.
My champagne is in the fridge awaiting his resignation, impeachment, or untimely demise. I may crack the bottle open early if nukes start flying, but sure as hell will have another one ready if I survive the first volley of trump induced missile launches and I hear of one splitting its warheads twixt the Whitehouse and Mar a Lago.
I may offer side bets on whether I started the countdown too soon. In truth, I think that the wheels of justice will plod along at glacial pace, but that they will be as unstoppable as global warming.
Let this thread celebrate every step back towards sanity and democracy even if we are forced to accept that we will pass through a pretty dreadful Pence term on that route.*
*Who apart from Trump would want that w@nk3r Pence as VP or Potus? Surely not even the most conservative Republican. But, What the heck. Nothing trumps trump.
Oh. And as a side topic: Would it be preferable to have an ousted trump claiming some glory if that was the price to pay for having him out of power? Even Adolf still has a fan club.
Quote: OnceDearLook guys. I'm sick of trump. May he rot in hell.
His first 100 days are history, so I assert that it is counter productive to add comments to a thread about his first 100 days.
In an uncharacteristically optimistic mood, I invite discussion of his Final 100 days, which has hopefully now begun.
My champagne is in the fridge awaiting his resignation, impeachment, or untimely demise. I may crack the bottle open early if nukes start flying, but sure as hell will have another one ready if I survive the first volley of trump induced missile launches and I hear of one splitting its warheads twixt the Whitehouse and Mar a Lago.
I may offer side bets on whether I started the countdown too soon. In truth, I think that the wheels of justice will plod along at glacial pace, but that they will be as unstoppable as global warming.
Let this thread celebrate every step back towards sanity and democracy even if we are forced to accept that we will pass through a pretty dreadful Pence term on that route.*
*Who apart from Trump would want that w@nk3r Pence as VP or Potus? Surely not even the most conservative Republican. But, What the heck. Nothing trumps trump.
Oh. And as a side topic: Would it be preferable to have an ousted trump claiming some glory if that was the price to pay for having him out of power? Even Adolf still has a fan club.
You're too early by 6 to 9 months, IMO. This will take a while.
Meanwhile, Paul Ryan was on last night saying, (paraphrase) No, we're not distracted from what we're doing; there's a whole lot going on in Congress, many bills going through the process.
Thanks for the warning, Mr. Ryan. This has been your plan since the day Trump got elected; do a bunch of stuff nobody wants done outside the rich and powerful while Trump holds the national attention.
Yes, Trump will try to martyr himself into glory. His most fervent supporters will see him as human sacrifice, without ever acknowledging the hypocrisy or the illegal acts. Alternative facts rule, at least for now.
Quote: beachbumbabsYou're too early by 6 to 9 months, IMO. This will take a while.
... This has been your plan since the day Trump got elected; do a bunch of stuff nobody wants done outside the rich and powerful while Trump holds the national attention.
Yes, Trump will try to martyr himself into glory. His most fervent supporters will see him as human sacrifice, without ever acknowledging the hypocrisy or the illegal acts. Alternative facts rule, at least for now.
I fear you are correct, but I have to have something to cling to.
Meanwhile, was I the only person to think this of his recent speech. . .
Quote: trumpy"no politician in history, and I say this with great [Oh shit, what's the word. . . I wish I'd thought ahead . . . 'Pride' : No, can't use that. . . 'Sadness': No, that doesn't work. . . Charity: Hmmm sounds good but not quite. . . 'Surety': Yes. that will do it.] SURETY, has been treated worse or more unfairly."
NM spent 27 years in chokey. I live in hope.
He REALLY doesn't learn, does he?
Quote: OnceDearomg. the idiot still has access to twitter.
He REALLY doesn't learn, does he?
He whined about how Hilary sent a few emails from the wrong laptop, meanwhile Trump still uses his personal Android to tweet his daily absurd comments.
Quote: OnceDearomg. the idiot still has access to twitter.
He REALLY doesn't learn, does he?
He also doesn't spell, apparently....
Quote: gamerfreakHe also doesn't spell, apparently...
We already knew this. He misspelled "tap" in one of his tweets accusing Obama of wiretapping Trump tower.
All somewhat of a mute point as dems have refused to adjust in any way. We're near the end of liberal democracy most likely. Perhaps that's the inevitable flow of history.
Even though there is no evidence the unclassified memo, or the 'Comey associate' even exists, the article described it as "the clearest evidence the president has tried to directly influence the Justice Department and F.B.I".
The Dow fell 375 points because of that sketchy article.
Two weeks earlier on May 3rd, when questioned under oath , Comey denied it ever happened
Comey testifies under oath, no one tried to get him to stop an FBI investigation.
Instead Trump used "subtle influence", "I hope you can let this go". No threats. I wouldn't call that a "try" to get Comey to stop. So I believe Comey is still truthful in his statements, but I think both situations rise to the level of obstruction of justice.
Heh heh heh.
When all's said and done, the "Trump" name will be mud, and his legacy that of a liar-loser-fool.
The Republicans rode his coat tails and are now gleefully rubbing their hands together getting ready to knife him in the back (their plan all along) in order to install their real champion, Pence, in the white house.
Yes, it really can get worse.
Quote: TankoTwo days ago, the NYT published this article, based upon an alleged memo that no one has seen, and was allegedly read over the telephone to the NYT reporter by an unidentified source they described as “one of Mr. Comey’s associates”.
Even though there is no evidence the unclassified memo, or the 'Comey associate' even exists, the article described it as "the clearest evidence the president has tried to directly influence the Justice Department and F.B.I".
The Dow fell 375 points because of that sketchy article.
Two weeks earlier on May 3rd, when questioned under oath , Comey denied it ever happened
Comey testifies under oath, no one tried to get him to stop an FBI investigation.
Are you implying that the Comey memo doesn't exist?
Quote: TankoTwo days ago, the NYT published this article, based upon an alleged memo that no one has seen, and was allegedly read over the telephone to the NYT reporter by an unidentified source they described as “one of Mr. Comey’s associates”.
Don't you even suspect that if the memo doesn't exist that Comey would have stepped forth and said "Woah guys: That bit of news is fake"
He's unhinged today..............
Fixed that for you.Quote: steeldcoHe's unhinged everyday..............
It is kinda "ironic" that all of the trumpsters I previously heard from (on my personal social media is what I'm mainly referring to) have all clammed up pretty quickly all of the sudden.
Quote: RomesFixed that for you.
It is kinda "ironic" that all of the trumpsters I previously heard from (on my personal social media is what I'm mainly referring to) have all clammed up pretty quickly all of the sudden.
I hope that the remaining Gullibles are getting tired of getting lied to. When they stop letting him hammer them in the head continuously, it's going to feel awfully good to them. A lot of relief and much less pain.
Quote: steeldcoWow. That goofy Trump just said in an interview (paraphrasing), that the Democrats are upset because they lost an election that they should have won because "the Electoral College" was slanted their way. Huh? Which way did the Electoral College vote?
He's unhinged today..............
Makes no sense. He still claims the election was rigged against him due to voter fraud, because not winning the popular vote is too much for his fragile ego to handle.
Chaffetz, resigning, and not seeking re-election:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/utahs-chaffetz-expected-leave-office-end-june-165533680--politics.html
Quote: OnceDearDon't you even suspect that if the memo doesn't exist that Comey would have stepped forth and said "Woah guys: That bit of news is fake"
Fine. Produce the letter.
Even if Trump did ask him if he could drop the Flynn investigation, this is not a crime, and it is not obstruction of justice.
If any part of it was criminal, Comey would have reported it to the Attorney General.
Comey has a credibility problem.
Earlier this month, he testified under oath that Huma Abedin had a ‘regular practice’ of sending ‘hundreds or thousands’ of emails to her husband Anthony Weiner’s laptop.
A week later, ProPublica reported that neither of those claims was true. It wasn’t a ‘regular practice’, and she only sent a handful of emails, not 'hundreds or thousands' for printing.
“….far more benign than the FBI Director led America to believe.”- -New York Magazine
Far more benign than he led Congress to believe as well.
Comey is either a liar, or he is grossly misinformed. In either case, he doesn’t deserve to be the FBI Director.
It wasn’t until nearly a week after Comey testified, and only after the ProPublica report, that the FBI and not Comey, sent this letter to Senator Grassley 'to clarify the Director's testimony'.
Quote: TankoComey has a credibility problem.
If it comes down to Comey's word vs. Donald's word, Comey ain't the one with the credibility problem....
Quote: ams288If it comes down to Comey's word vs. Donald's word, Comey ain't the one with the credibility problem....
What an odd thing to say. It's almost as though you are implying that there is any evidence that trump has lied at some point in time. And of course, there is no such evidence. Trump might have once made a mistake, but he never lies and certainly not intentionally.
ROFLMAO. In case anyone just wandered into the 21st century and is new to this forum, the above comment was not meant to be taken seriously.
trump is the biggest liar ever to stand at a podium in any country and in any sphere of life. He's an insult to the species.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/apos-art-deal-apos-co-060917242.html
'Art Of The Deal' Co-Author: Trump Will Resign, Then Declare Victory
“I surely believe that at some point over the next period of time he’s going to have to figure out a way to resign,” Schwartz said in comments posted online by Mediaite. But in quitting, Trump will try to “figure out a way, as he has done all his career, to turn a loss into a victory so he will declare victory when he leaves.”
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/commentary-bob-schieffer-the-what-if-president/
By BOB SCHIEFFER CBS NEWS May 18, 2017, 7:45 PM
Commentary: The "what if" president
WASHINGTON -- I interviewed Sen. John McCain the other night during a chaotic week and he said, "Bob we've seen this movie before." So I'm thinking, "what if this movie had a slightly different plot?"
What if President Trump had taken Barack Obama's private advice to get Gen. Flynn to resign in the beginning?
What if he had cut Flynn loose after Flynn told the Trump team he was under federal investigation?
What if he had gone on national television and said, "I've told FBI Director Comey to get to the bottom of this Russia situation, no one wants to clear it up more than me because we have work to do."
What if he had joined Republican and Democratic leaders in praising the selection of Robert Mueller as special counsel instead of calling it a "witchhunt?"
But he didn't. So, I don't know what answers the special counsel will find, but it brings me back to something else that John McCain said the other night: This has reached "Watergate size and scale."
Quote: JohnnyQCaught this on the CBS Evening News tonight. My hat's off to them to be brave enough to have an Editorial.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/commentary-bob-schieffer-the-what-if-president/
By BOB SCHIEFFER CBS NEWS May 18, 2017, 7:45 PM
Commentary: The "what if" president
WASHINGTON -- I interviewed Sen. John McCain the other night during a chaotic week and he said, "Bob we've seen this movie before." So I'm thinking, "what if this movie had a slightly different plot?"
What if President Trump had taken Barack Obama's private advice to get Gen. Flynn to resign in the beginning?
What if he had cut Flynn loose after Flynn told the Trump team he was under federal investigation?
What if he had gone on national television and said, "I've told FBI Director Comey to get to the bottom of this Russia situation, no one wants to clear it up more than me because we have work to do."
What if he had joined Republican and Democratic leaders in praising the selection of Robert Mueller as special counsel instead of calling it a "witchhunt?"
But he didn't. So, I don't know what answers the special counsel will find, but it brings me back to something else that John McCain said the other night: This has reached "Watergate size and scale."
From the link you provided, two comments by DMWNC1 and HONGRN caught my attention. The comment by DMWNC1 posed lots of questions and ended with an answer "...we'll never know" and it reminds me of a WoV's SooPoo post in which he/she answered one of his/her own question as "Thank god, we'll never know..." (I can't find exact quote from SooPoo's post in this thread topic. I also don't see my others posts/replies in this thread. What happened?).
HONGRN's comment best reflect the current state of our nation. And I also like DMWNC1's comment because his/her comment reminds me of SooPoo's answer to his/her own question).
The two comments by DMWNC1 and HONGRN in responding to the "What If" article you referenced are repeated below for convenience to WoV readers:
DMWNC1
What if during the first 100 days of his presidency Trump spent it at the White House and actually knuckled down, working with our elected officials to make America great again instead of jetting off to Mar a Lago twenty-five times to play golf?
What if during the first 100 days of his presidency Trump put the damn phone down, shut off his Twitter account, quit attending pep rallies, and actually tried uniting the country instead of dividing it?
What if during the first 100 days of his presidency Trump said he was going to "drain the swamp", then turned around and filled it with his own billionaire cabinet of alligators and hired his own family to run the country from inside the White House?
What if Trump didn't turn his back on the Middle Class and go back on nearly every single one of his campaign promises?
What if every time we turned around Trump wasn't whining about something again, and again, and again?
What if?
I guess we'll never know.
HONGRN
You can't teach this orange dog new tricks. A pitbull will never be a golden retriever. A thug will never be able to buy any class no matter how rich he becomes. It's so sad to think that our fellow citizens voted for this anal orifice to lead this great nation.
Quote: OnceDearLook guys. I'm sick of trump. May he rot in hell.
His first 100 days are history, so I assert that it is counter productive to add comments to a thread about his first 100 days.
In an uncharacteristically optimistic mood, I invite discussion of his Final 100 days, which has hopefully now begun.
My champagne is in the fridge awaiting his resignation, impeachment, or untimely demise. I may crack the bottle open early if nukes start flying, but sure as hell will have another one ready if I survive the first volley of trump induced missile launches and I hear of one splitting its warheads twixt the Whitehouse and Mar a Lago.
I may offer side bets on whether I started the countdown too soon. In truth, I think that the wheels of justice will plod along at glacial pace, but that they will be as unstoppable as global warming.
Let this thread celebrate every step back towards sanity and democracy even if we are forced to accept that we will pass through a pretty dreadful Pence term on that route.*
*Who apart from Trump would want that w@nk3r Pence as VP or Potus? Surely not even the most conservative Republican. But, What the heck. Nothing trumps trump.
Oh. And as a side topic: Would it be preferable to have an ousted trump claiming some glory if that was the price to pay for having him out of power? Even Adolf still has a fan club.
Comey friend: Trump repeatedly tried to compromise him
http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/19/politics/benjamin-wittes-comey-trump-relationship/
Excerpt:
President Donald Trump repeatedly tried to woo former FBI Director James Comey through phone calls, private sit-downs and even a hug, according to a published account of their relationship by a Comey friend.
IMO, the GOP privately want to get rid of the racist, sexist, rapist and scam artist Trump, but they are afraid to do so because of Trump's base, in which they desperately needed for any re-election. The GOP put their interest above America's interest, and for this reason, I don't see an impeached Trump scenario within the next 100 days.
Quote: ams288If it comes down to Comey's word vs. Donald's word, Comey ain't the one with the credibility problem....
Yeah, it's a terrific imbalance. It'd be amazing if they believed Trump's word over Comey's one on one. Even the majority of Republicans. Almost anyone is going to have that advantage against Trump.
Trump's going to need real recordings in his favor.
Why you ask?
Because then when it comes to light that donald has done something illegal, gets impeached, etc, through obstruction of justice all of the evil GOP's either hiding secrets OR protecting trump will also get persecuted... Shit, could take out dozens of them in one fell swoop... Drain the swamp, right???
Quote: beachbumbabsYou're too early by 6 to 9 months, IMO. This will take a while.
Meanwhile, Paul Ryan was on last night saying, (paraphrase) No, we're not distracted from what we're doing; there's a whole lot going on in Congress, many bills going through the process.
Thanks for the warning, Mr. Ryan. This has been your plan since the day Trump got elected; do a bunch of stuff nobody wants done outside the rich and powerful while Trump holds the national attention.
Yes, Trump will try to martyr himself into glory. His most fervent supporters will see him as human sacrifice, without ever acknowledging the hypocrisy or the illegal acts. Alternative facts rule, at least for now.
What’s the Matter With Republicans?
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/19/opinion/whats-the-matter-with-republicans.html?ribbon-ad-idx=5&rref=opinion&module=Ribbon&version=context®ion=Header&action=click&contentCollection=Opinion&pgtype=article
Below is Paul Krugman's quick comparison between the two political parties:
The Democratic Party is a coalition of interest groups, with some shared views but also a lot of conflicts, and politicians get ahead through their success in striking compromises and finding acceptable solutions.
The G.O.P., by contrast, is one branch of a monolithic structure, movement conservatism, with a rigid ideology — tax cuts for the rich above all else. Other branches of the structure include a captive media that parrots the party line every step of the way. Compare the coverage of recent political developments on Fox News with almost everywhere else; we’re talking North Korea levels of alternative reality.
And this monolithic structure — lavishly supported by a small number of very, very wealthy families — rewards, indeed insists on, absolute fealty. Furthermore, the structure has been in place for a long time: It has been 36 years since Reagan was elected, 22 years since the Gingrich takeover of Congress. What this means is that nearly all Republicans in today’s Congress are apparatchiks, political creatures with no higher principle beyond party loyalty.
That seems pretty close to admitting to obstruction.
Quote: billryanTimes is reporting the day after firing him,Trump called Comey a nutjob and told the Russians that the pressure is off the investigation, according to a transcript read by an American official.
That seems pretty close to admitting to obstruction.
It is difficult to prove obstruction with that statement alone. However, a case of STRONG of obstruction of justice can be built when that statement is combined with Comey's testimonies under oath, and with other statements of the racist, sexist, rapist, and scam artist Trump.
The racist, sexist, rapist and con artist Trump calling Comey a “nutjob” to our adversary Russia is an indication that Trump does not respect his country. His lack of respect and sympathy for Comey and other subordinates are troublesome.
The way racist, sexist, rapist and con artist Trump treats WH staffs, it would be very difficult for him to find high quality staffs.
The Trump Administration Talent Vacuum
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/19/opinion/trump-white-house-staff.html?ref=opinion
Excerpt:
Trump, for his part, is resentfully returning fire, blaming his underlings for his own mistakes, complaining that McMaster is a pain, speculating about firing and demoting people. This is a White House in which the internal nickname for the chief of staff is Rancid.
The organizational culture is about to get worse. People who have served in administrations under investigation speak eloquently about how miserable it is. You never know which of your friends is about to rat you out. No personal communication is really secure. You never know which of your colleagues is going to break ranks and write the tell-all memoir, and you think that maybe it should be you.
Even people not involved in the original scandal can find themselves caught up in the maelstrom and see their careers ruined. Legal costs soar. The investigations can veer off in wildly unexpected directions, so no White House nook or cranny is safe.
As current staff leaves or gets pushed out, look for Trump to try to fill the jobs with business colleagues who also have no experience in government. It’s striking that the only person who this week seems excited to take a Trump administration job is Milwaukee Sheriff David Clarke, who made his name as a TV performance artist calling the Black Lives Matter movement “black slime,” and who now claims he has been hired to serve in the Department of Homeland Security.
Having a secret meeting with the Russian Ambassador in the Oval Office, where he not only passes along code word secrets but says he fired Comey in order to relieve pressure on him not only sounds like obstruction but collusion, as well.
Somebody please convince me I'm wrong?
Quote: billryanI believe an impeachment trial is closer to a civil one than a criminal one. The burden of evidence being much lower.
Having a secret meeting with the Russian Ambassador in the Oval Office, where he not only passes along code word secrets but says he fired Comey in order to relieve pressure on him not only sounds like obstruction but collusion, as well.
Somebody please convince me I'm wrong?
You aren't wrong at all. Impeachment is not a civil/criminal decision, it's 100% a political decision. The burden of evidence is 0. The house can impeach for any reason they like.
After a president is impeached by the House, he is not removed from office until the Senate has a more court-style hearing/vote where a defense/prosecution is heard.
That's about the only good thing I can see from the Trump Presidency.... gotta take what you can get I guess.
Quote: billryanAnd yet is still drawing his salary as Sheriff.
It appears that the racist, sexist, rapist and scam artist Trump is having difficulty of finding good & qualify candidates to fill WH staffs and other positions.
Despite Multiple Lawsuits, Milwaukee Sheriff David Clarke Says He’ll Take DHS Position
http://www.snopes.com/2017/05/18/milwaukee-sheriff-david-clarke/
Clarke is currently the target of multiple lawsuits in Milwaukee County that accuse him of harassing a private citizen, and his staff of abusing inmates in his jails. Seven of his employees face potential criminal charges for turning off the water in a man’s cell for a week in 2016, causing him to die of dehydration. Clarke has also been scrutinized for a trip to Russia in 2015, now that multiple investigations into the president’s dealings with the Russian government are underway.
When they go low, we go high. Or NOT, in 777's case.Quote: 777It appears that the racist, sexist, rapist and scam artist Trump
Quote: JohnnyQWhen they go low, we go high. Or NOT, in 777's case.
Ain't no "they" or "we", just U.S.
The House GOP has not sent their TrumpCare 2.0 bill over to the Senate yet.
In their rush to pass it, they may have screwed up and passed a bill that the Senate would not be able to pass during Reconciliation (where they'd only need 51 votes instead of 60).
They may have to vote on it AGAIN in the House, and the CBO score will be coming out on May 24 which will surely be awful and make it harder to pass.
Quote: ams288One thing that got lost in all the chaos this week:
The House GOP has not sent their TrumpCare 2.0 bill over to the Senate yet.
In their rush to pass it, they may have screwed up and passed a bill that the Senate would not be able to pass during Reconciliation (where they'd only need 51 votes instead of 60).
They may have to vote on it AGAIN in the House, and the CBO score will be coming out on May 24 which will surely be awful and make it harder to pass.
I really, really doubt the Senate would vote on it before they get the CBO report, after the condemnation the House got for doing that. So I'm guessing the Senate will put forth a more reasonable bill for the House to consider. Then it will depend on House factions.
I'm also guessing the White House will stay out of it until and unless something shows up to sign, and it will get signed, not vetoed. Then another round of smug self-congratulatory rhetoric. I hope whatever does pass will be worthy of it.
However, I think it's most likely there will not be a new law this session, given the protests in home districts.
Quote: alphastormWhat irks me the most is Trump playing golf 21 times in 16 weeks. Someone mentioned that as a golfer on a college team, even they didn't play as much.
He also heavily criticized Obama for taking vacations, and promised he'd have no time to do so himself with all the winning he'd be doing.
