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May 14th, 2017 at 1:50:48 AM permalink
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If you think I'm going to read all that nonsense, especially from female smarty pants Trump hater who loves the.... Pushover, C**T, racist, lesbian, whore, scam artist, puppet, loser Hillary ....I'M NOT.

Tails from a handmaiden = the way it should be.

p.s. I love OnceDear, but he's such a suck up.


Love you too Foxey, but I consider that a personal insult.
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May 14th, 2017 at 5:08:34 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

If you think I'm going to read all that nonsense, especially from female smarty pants Trump hater who loves the.... Pushover, C**T, racist, lesbian, whore, scam artist, puppet, loser Hillary ....I'M NOT.

10 drinks or not, that's Embarassing.
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May 14th, 2017 at 5:26:32 AM permalink
Quote: JohnnyQ

10 drinks or not, that's Embarassing.

I'm just harassing Barbra. She knows I think very highly of her. She's a very smart, independent, honest person with a heart. I could not say enough good things about her.

I really don't care about Hillary or Trump that much. As long as we are safe and the economy is doing ok, I'm good.
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May 14th, 2017 at 5:31:20 AM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

Love you too Foxey, but I consider that a personal insult.

♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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May 14th, 2017 at 6:16:08 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I'm just harassing Barbra. She knows I think very highly of her. She's a very smart, independent, honest person with a heart. I could not say enough good things about her.

I really don't care about Hillary or Trump that much. As long as we are safe and the economy is doing ok, I'm good.



I think this needs a slight bit more explanation on my part. I did not take offense, and did not ban, because Axel and I have had this conversation before, years ago. He only gives out this kind of crap to those he likes and knows can handle it. That doesn't really give him a pass, but his intent is the opposite of the statement, and I took that into account.

At the same time, for the sake of the rest of the forum, I would discourage Axel from these types of posts in public threads, as they can easily be taken literally. I also appreciate the feedback from our peers discouraging them. I don't want to support a double standard, or the appearance of one. Thanks, all.
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May 14th, 2017 at 5:02:06 PM permalink
I found this recent tidbit interesting.....

https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2017-05-10/donald-trump-thought-of-as-idiot-liar-and-strong-quinnipiac-poll-shows

Quinnipiac University on Wednesday released results of a national poll in which participants were asked a series of questions, including, "What is the first word that comes to mind when you think of Donald Trump?"

Instead of listing the results by percentage, researchers delineated the number of times each response was given, and ranked the responses in descending order from most frequently mentioned.

They then published words that were mentioned at least five times.

A list of 527 published responses shows that participants gave words ranging from "idiot" to "patriotism." Here's a look at the top 10 most frequently mentioned words.

Word # of Responses
idiot 39
incompetent 31
liar 30
leader 25
unqualified 25
president 22
strong 21
businessman 18
ignorant 16
egotistical 15


I think I would have gone with "jerk". But any of the top 3 are accurate as far as I am concerned.
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May 14th, 2017 at 5:27:46 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

I think this needs a slight bit more explanation on my part. I did not take offense, and did not ban, because Axel and I have had this conversation before, years ago. He only gives out this kind of crap to those he likes and knows can handle it. That doesn't really give him a pass, but his intent is the opposite of the statement, and I took that into account.

At the same time, for the sake of the rest of the forum, I would discourage Axel from these types of posts in public threads, as they can easily be taken literally. I also appreciate the feedback from our peers discouraging them. I don't want to support a double standard, or the appearance of one. Thanks, all.



Forgive me but that is nonsense. One member can post stuff like that because you've looked into his heart and know it is pure? Meanwhile l call someone a maroon, which was a joke , and you suspend me?
But you don't support a double standard so all is right in the world.
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May 14th, 2017 at 5:42:05 PM permalink
Donald spent the day golfing far away from Melania who is in NYC as usual.

Happy Mother's Day!
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May 14th, 2017 at 6:13:35 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

Forgive me but that is nonsense. One member can post stuff like that because you've looked into his heart and know it is pure? Meanwhile l call someone a maroon, which was a joke , and you suspend me?
But you don't support a double standard so all is right in the world.



No reason to forgive you. I agree with you. On the face of what was posted, he insulted me (and OnceDear, for that matter). I knew what was behind it, you didn't. I've asked him to stop, because it was public and bound to be misunderstood, as it has been. If he is foolish enough to continue, I will have to take action.

You, I don't know, though I'd like to; you're very interesting. But at the time, what you said was a personal insult, and I had to take it at face value. There was another factor with you which I will discuss in PM if you wish, but not here. But that was the deciding factor.in your being suspended for a relatively mild infraction.

These things are rarely cut-and-dried. And there are often things that mitigate or exacerbate each instance.
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May 15th, 2017 at 2:43:18 PM permalink
Quote: JohnnyQ

I found this recent tidbit interesting.....

https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2017-05-10/donald-trump-thought-of-as-idiot-liar-and-strong-quinnipiac-poll-shows

Quinnipiac University on Wednesday released results of a national poll in which participants were asked a series of questions, including, "What is the first word that comes to mind when you think of Donald Trump?"

Instead of listing the results by percentage, researchers delineated the number of times each response was given, and ranked the responses in descending order from most frequently mentioned.

They then published words that were mentioned at least five times.

A list of 527 published responses shows that participants gave words ranging from "idiot" to "patriotism." Here's a look at the top 10 most frequently mentioned words.

Word # of Responses
idiot 39
incompetent 31
liar 30
leader 25
unqualified 25
president 22
strong 21
businessman 18
ignorant 16
egotistical 15


I think I would have gone with "jerk". But any of the top 3 are accurate as far as I am concerned.



My guess is SooPoo, RonC, RS, Zcore13, Paradigm and other Trumpers on this thread would view the racist, sexist, rapist and scam artist trump as "leader", "president", and "strong."

A recent news today reported that Trump revealed highly classified information to Russian foreign minister and ambassador in a WH meeting on May 10, 2017.

http://gizmodo.com/trump-reportedly-shared-highly-classified-info-with-rus-1795236079

What will the United Kingdom or Germany or Saudi Arabia think now that the President of the United States is now offering up classified information to Putin’s top lieutenants, apparently by accident?

It’s simple: They’ll think that the US is run by a reckless, dangerous buffoon who can’t be trusted to wipe his own ass without posing a risk to national security. And frankly, after last week and now this, they wouldn’t be wrong.


http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-revealed-highly-classified-information-to-russian-foreign-minister-and-ambassador/ar-BBBaWuJ?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=mailsignout

President Trump revealed highly classified information to the Russian foreign minister and ambassador in a White House meeting last week, according to current and former U.S. officials, who said that Trump’s disclosures jeopardized a critical source of intelligence on the Islamic State.

The information Trump relayed had been provided by a U.S. partner through an intelligence-sharing arrangement considered so sensitive that details have been withheld from allies and tightly restricted even within the U.S. government, officials said.

The partner had not given the United States permission to share the material with Russia, and officials said that Trump’s decision to do so risks cooperation from an ally that has access to the inner workings of the Islamic State. After Trump’s meeting, senior White House officials took steps to contain the damage, placing calls to the CIA and National Security Agency.

“This is code-word information,” said a U.S. official familiar with the matter, using terminology that refers to one of the highest classification levels used by American spy agencies. Trump “revealed more information to the Russian ambassador than we have shared with our own allies.”
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May 15th, 2017 at 3:31:26 PM permalink
Luckily, Trump taped himself giving code word information to them.
It keeps getting better and better.
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May 15th, 2017 at 3:47:16 PM permalink
This is not hyperbole or an exaggeration:

Hillary would have been impeached if she did what Trump did.

The GOP congress will look the other way for Donald, again.
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May 15th, 2017 at 4:02:16 PM permalink
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racist, sexist, rapist and scam artist Trump



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May 15th, 2017 at 4:02:59 PM permalink
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https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2017-05-10/donald-trump-thought-of-as-idiot-liar-and-strong-quinnipiac-poll-shows

Quinnipiac University on Wednesday released results of a national poll in which participants were asked a series of questions, including, "What is the first word that comes to mind when you think of Donald Trump?"

A list of 527 published responses shows that participants gave words ranging from "idiot" to "patriotism." Here's a look at the top 10 most frequently mentioned words.

Word # of Responses
idiot 39
incompetent 31
liar 30
...

Yep, the national poll got it right. You know what they say, 527 heads are better than one.
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May 15th, 2017 at 4:43:24 PM permalink
Threw up news channels simultaneously

CNN: coverage of trump discussing classified info with Russian ambassador

MSNBC: coverage of trump discussing classified info with Russian ambassador

Fox news: coverage of liberal riots attempting to silence conservative voices

LOL
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May 15th, 2017 at 5:56:05 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Threw up news channels simultaneously

CNN: coverage of trump discussing classified info with Russian ambassador

MSNBC: coverage of trump discussing classified info with Russian ambassador

Fox news: coverage of liberal riots attempting to silence conservative voices

LOL



Fox's website earlier this evening:



I think we all can agree that the importance of this story is on par with ABC canceling Last Man Standing...!
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May 15th, 2017 at 5:59:49 PM permalink
Quote: Face

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Your posts were normally very long, but this reply is too short. Perhaps you were in a hurry to take a shower...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/05/15/i-need-to-take-a-shower-kellyanne-conway-said-after-defending-candidate-trump-according-to-morning-joe/?utm_term=.3623affd47b6
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May 15th, 2017 at 6:21:59 PM permalink
Anyone tired of winning yet?
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May 15th, 2017 at 6:51:17 PM permalink
Quote: 777

Your posts were normally very long, but this reply is too short. Perhaps you were in a hurry to take a shower...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/05/15/i-need-to-take-a-shower-kellyanne-conway-said-after-defending-candidate-trump-according-to-morning-joe/?utm_term=.3623affd47b6



Shower? It's not Thursday yet. But if you'd like a bit more substance...

The GOP is fractured, and not a little chip off the corner. It's a bit of a rift that doesn't seem to be slowing its progression into gorge, which I would suppose is a bad thing for the GOP. Bad for the GOP = happy Face.

The Dems are showing themselves more and more to be but flip sides of the GOP coin. Surely a wholly different brand of repugnance than the GOP; I don't mean to imply they're in cahoots. But basically embodied in the same s#$% stance of divisiveness and exclusion. Highlighting that is hurtful to Team Blue. Hurt Blue = happy Face.

Trump, himself, is IMO locking dead in stone the opinion I had of him when I came into the knowledge of him existing, which is that he is a buffoon. Further, the actions of the Dems and especially the actions and conduct of the Trump regime have made it all but impossible to deny that the entire system is complete s#$%, as no matter which team you call yours, neither answers to anyone. Whether petty morality or legit criminal fraud, it's happening before our eyes and ain't not a thing you can do about it.

It seems, as I look around, that Mr President has brought to the forefront and with shocking clarity the innards of the Thing. It, IMO, supports the view I personally hold and hopefully begins the sort of awakening I so desperately hope for. That .gov is garbage and it is foolish to task it with anything more than the basic services and necessities of civilized life. And for that task, which is nothing short of the very foundation upon which a great country can be built, to have said overseers that we employ be capable of task, accountable to the employer, and held in nothing more than the exact standards expected from every other citizen in the country. I suppose that's an old fashioned idea and thus be labeled a conservative one. But for me, it above all is the most important.

Trump has shown what it is. When did I first hear "Impeach him!"? Months ago, surely. And since then he's, I dunno, threatened an ally with sanctions or some such, and enacted an unconstitutional EO, and... I gotta be honest, y'all know how much he's done better than me. You know it all. And it just keeps going. And will keep going. And no one cares how it affects their life, just how it affects their side.

It's all bats#$% and Trump is revealing it all. For that, at least, he deserves true thanks.
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May 16th, 2017 at 5:11:06 AM permalink
Trump tweeted this morning he did indeed paas along sensitive info to the russians and claims he has absolute authority to do so
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May 16th, 2017 at 5:16:12 AM permalink
While everyone talking about trump admitting passing classified info to russians Fox News is reporting how a wikileaks exec murdered a year ago the case hasnt been solved

Coming up next: should illegals be deported at our expense

Fox is so embarrassing.

EDIT: one Fox journalist just concluded "this is news worth reporting on right?" to her fellow journalists. Almost certain this is her form of protest at what must be seen as a total lack of coverage of currently topical importance
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May 16th, 2017 at 8:15:02 AM permalink
I don't think there can be any doubt in anyone's mind at this point that Trump is trying to get fired. He never wanted to be President, but his massive ego won't let him quit. That was clear the day after the election. You could see it in his expression when he met with Obama, that look of "Oh, f***. What have I done...." He was doing it for the publicity, just assuming he would lose to Hillary (even when it was clear that Hillary was a horribly weak candidate), and his plan backfired spectacularly. He has been purposely screwing up day after day, either on purpose or subconsciously, just hoping people will finally get fed up with him and let him go back to his old life, and so far Congress is just letting him get away with it. He's gotta be sitting in the Oval Office night after night with his head in his hands saying, "What the f*** does a person have to do to get fired around here...."

Mark my words, if he somehow makes it through a first term, he will NOT be running for re-election.
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May 16th, 2017 at 8:17:48 AM permalink
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Hillary would have been impeached if she did what Trump did.



Forget Hillary....if literally any other President, of any political party, had done this, impeachment proceedings would be underway already.
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May 16th, 2017 at 8:59:34 AM permalink
I don't post here much any more, but this one was just too good to pass up.



It reminds me of this one that went around the net during the election, though I don't think it was ever posted here:

- If we win the presidency, our Supreme Court nominees should be confirmed. When you win the presidency, we will block you at every turn.

- If Trump wins, the election is legitimate and the people have SPOKEN. If Hillary wins, it must be RIGGED.

- Donald Trump is accused of forcing himself on over ten women. STICK TO THE ISSUES. Bill Clinton accused of misconduct by four women. His wife should be disqualified from office and imprisoned.

- Hillary Clinton has not directly mentioned any of Trump's accusers. She needs to stop distracting from real issues. Trump has a press conference with four of Bill Clinton's accusers, gives them front row seats to the debate, and mentions them during debate. Great job taking the gloves off, president Trump.

- Bill Clinton cheats on his wife. Impeach him. Trump proudly brags about sexual assault (has 5 kids with 3 wives and has cheated on his wives). Elect him.

- Hillary oversaw the Department of State while four people died in an embassy attack. JAIL HER. Two Republicans were in office while over 200 people died in embassy attacks. No problem.

- Independent fact checkers found Trump is likely the least truthful candidate in the history of modern politics. He tells it like it is. Hillary is statistically more truthful than most politicians according to fact checkers. She is the most untrustworthy, lying liar who has ever run for political office.

- The Clinton Foundation only spent 87% of their donations helping people (average amount is 75%). CROOKED. Trump's foundation paid off his debts, bought paintings of him, and made political donations to avoid investigations for a fake university while giving less than 5% of funds to charity (and he got shut down by NY State). So savvy...put him in the White House.

- Trump made 4 billion dollars in 40 years, when an index fund started at the same time with the same "small loans" he received would be worth $12 billion today... without a trail of bankruptcies, thousands of lawsuits and burned small business owners. He's a real business whiz. Hillary took a loss of $700k. She's a criminal.

- Trump is the first candidate in the modern era to not release his tax returns, and he took a almost billion-dollar loss in one year. Genius. Hillary releases 40 years of taxes. Corrupt. Trump denies saying things (on the record) he actually said (on the record). He's just telling it like it is.
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May 16th, 2017 at 11:24:25 AM permalink
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May 16th, 2017 at 1:02:59 PM permalink
Can anybody explain to me why people say it wouldn't be fair if we got rid of the electoral college and instead went with the popular vote to decide the president?

As it stands right now, the electoral college favors rural areas. Going with a popular vote would make sure everyone's vote is exactly equal.

What am I not understanding?
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May 16th, 2017 at 1:29:54 PM permalink
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Can anybody explain to me why people say it wouldn't be fair if we got rid of the electoral college and instead went with the popular vote to decide the president?

As it stands right now, the electoral college favors rural areas. Going with a popular vote would make sure everyone's vote is exactly equal.

What am I not understanding?



Electoral college and caucus are obsolete and should be eliminated. It would be very difficult to get rid of electoral college because it would require amending the U.S. Constitution.
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May 16th, 2017 at 1:31:08 PM permalink
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While everyone talking about trump admitting passing classified info to russians Fox News is reporting how a wikileaks exec murdered a year ago the case hasnt been solved

Coming up next: should illegals be deported at our expense

Fox is so embarrassing.

EDIT: one Fox journalist just concluded "this is news worth reporting on right?" to her fellow journalists. Almost certain this is her form of protest at what must be seen as a total lack of coverage of currently topical importance



Here's how Fox News responded to reports Trump leaked classified information to Russian officials
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/heres-fox-news-responded-trumps-131156651.html
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May 16th, 2017 at 2:23:30 PM permalink
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Can anybody explain to me why people say it wouldn't be fair if we got rid of the electoral college and instead went with the popular vote to decide the president?

As it stands right now, the electoral college favors rural areas. Going with a popular vote would make sure everyone's vote is exactly equal.

What am I not understanding?



Because that would mean the black and brown skinned voters would be just as important as the white ones.
We can't have that, can we?
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May 16th, 2017 at 2:26:09 PM permalink
Quote: TigerWu

Can anybody explain to me why people say it wouldn't be fair if we got rid of the electoral college and instead went with the popular vote to decide the president?

As it stands right now, the electoral college favors rural areas. Going with a popular vote would make sure everyone's vote is exactly equal.

What am I not understanding?



The electoral college has generally served us well. It was designed this way so that the one state tail can't wag the 49 states' dog. It was done to be sure that one, or two, populace states could not control the nation.
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May 16th, 2017 at 2:27:16 PM permalink
One of Trump's Gullibles told me that there was no way that Trump could have passed along any intelligence. After a second or two of thought, I had to concede that fact to him.
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May 16th, 2017 at 2:39:53 PM permalink
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One of Trump's Gullibles told me that there was no way that Trump could have passed along any intelligence. After a second or two of thought, I had to concede that fact to him.



People in his administration agree with that sentiment. This is from a NYT article:

Quote:

In private, three administration officials conceded that they could not publicly articulate their most compelling — and honest — defense of the president: that Mr. Trump, a hasty and indifferent reader of printed briefing materials, simply did not possess the interest or knowledge of the granular details of intelligence gathering to leak specific sources and methods of intelligence gathering that would do harm to United States allies.



Ouch.
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May 16th, 2017 at 2:40:34 PM permalink
BREAKING NEWS:

NYT just posted leaked FBI memo of Trump asking Comey to drop the Russia investigation

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/05/16/us/politics/james-comey-trump-flynn-russia-investigation.html
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May 16th, 2017 at 2:41:35 PM permalink
Edit: darkoz beat me to it.

Obstruction!!!
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May 16th, 2017 at 2:44:44 PM permalink
Quote: steeldco

The electoral college has generally served us well. It was designed this way so that the one state tail can't wag the 49 states' dog. It was done to be sure that one, or two, populace states could not control the nation.



Why would populous states control the nation? If 9 million people in California voted for Hillary, how would that override 9 million people who voted for Trump in rural areas (if we went with a popular vote)? That's what I'm not understanding...
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May 16th, 2017 at 2:59:17 PM permalink
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Edit: darkoz beat me to it.

Obstruction!!!



Beat u by about a minute

I was typing furiously on my celly lol
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May 16th, 2017 at 3:02:42 PM permalink
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Why would populous states control the nation? If 9 million people in California voted for Hillary, how would that override 9 million people who voted for Trump in rural areas (if we went with a popular vote)? That's what I'm not understanding...



TigerWu, sorry in that I sometimes I do not articulate my thoughts very well.
Look at it another way, if it was strictly by population then these 9 states could control the entire nation of 50 states:
California
Texas
New York
Florida
Illinois
Pennsylvania
Ohio
Michigan
Georgia
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May 16th, 2017 at 3:06:46 PM permalink
Quote: TigerWu

Why would populous states control the nation? If 9 million people in California voted for Hillary, how would that override 9 million people who voted for Trump in rural areas (if we went with a popular vote)? That's what I'm not understanding...



This is going to be an incomplete answer to a complex question, but I'll attempt it anyway.

You have to put the Constitution in the context of the nation and the times in which it was written.

Most of the powerful men of the time were landowners. Their wives and their slaves couldn't vote. Their business was agriculture, and populations were sparse.

There were 3 populous cities, all in the north; Boston, Philadelphia, and New York City, with many tradesmen and merchants. Travel was hard; people lived where they worked.

A straight democracy, electing by popular vote, would ensure those candidates and issues from the Northern populated areas would dominate elections and policies. With representative govt, embodied both by a Senate apportioned by state and not population, and an Electoral College which gave small population states an unequal (larger) say in Presidential elections (adding the Senate proportions to the Representative proportions), those powerful landowners in rural and slave states were mollified enough to ratify the Constitution.

Otherwise, it would have been about 4 states for ratification, 9+ against, and we would not be United, we'd be Co - located States of America. (Gotta look up how many states originally ratified the Constitution; I think there were more than 13 by then, but can't recall offhand.)

Edit: So. According to this list, colonies became states on the day they each ratified the Constitution. We became the United States once 9 of them had done this.

However, 35 colonies, territories, or other entities had been settled by the time the Constitution was ratified, all of which eventually became states. After the original 13 colonies became states, others were allowed ratification votes; some joined quickly, others after decades, even more than a century.

Most of the remaining 15 were part of the Louisiana Purchase of 1803.

All more interesting now than in 10th grade American History . Lol...
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May 16th, 2017 at 3:16:02 PM permalink
CNN is reporting Comey confidante has confirmed Comey wrote the memos reported by NYT

Comey testimony is being sought now in front of congress. Memos will probably be subpoenaed

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May 16th, 2017 at 3:25:54 PM permalink
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CNN is reporting Comey confidante has confirmed Comey wrote the memos reported by NYT

Comey testimony is being sought now in front of congress. Memos will probably be subpoenaed

CNN breaking something new every few minutes. True fast and furious



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May 16th, 2017 at 3:47:11 PM permalink
Quote: steeldco

TigerWu, sorry in that I sometimes I do not articulate my thoughts very well.
Look at it another way, if it was strictly by population then these 9 states could control the entire nation of 50 states:
California
Texas
New York
Florida
Illinois
Pennsylvania
Ohio
Michigan
Georgia



Your thoughts are fine, it's the concept itself I don't get.

Why would more populous states "control" anything? What does that even mean? California, for example, has almost 40 million people. In a popular vote scenario, how do those 40 million people have more "control" over the country than 40 million people living in not-California? And why are States even part of the equation? There are X-million people in the U.S. of voting age. Come election day, everyone gets one vote. The candidate with the most votes wins. The end. Why do we need to say, "Oh, wait, there's 40 million people living in this one part of the country... we need their votes to count less than 40 million people living in this OTHER part of the country, just because their population is more dense."

Honestly, I don't think I'll ever understand... even when people explain it to me it doesn't make sense. There's X million people in the U.S. who can vote. Just count up the totals and the person with the most votes, wins. States and cities and population centers don't even need to be in the equation. As an individual living in a city, my vote wouldn't have any more "power" or "control" than an individual living on a farm in the middle of nowhere.

EDIT: Beachbumbabs, I understand the electoral college in that context, but I think that's even more evidence it is severely outdated and needs to be done away with.
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May 16th, 2017 at 5:28:28 PM permalink
Multiple sources are reporting that Donald is screaming himself hoarse tonight in the WH:

Quote:

White House sources say Trump is cursing up a storm - ranting and raving. Yelling at staffers & using the "F" word. He's losing it tonight.



Give. This. Man. His. Phone!!!!
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May 16th, 2017 at 6:00:30 PM permalink
Quote: steeldco

TigerWu, sorry in that I sometimes I do not articulate my thoughts very well.
Look at it another way, if it was strictly by population then these 9 states could control the entire nation of 50 states:
California
Texas
New York
Florida
Illinois
Pennsylvania
Ohio
Michigan
Georgia



No, because the votes would be counted nationally so no one would know for certain what percent of people in NY voted for A or for B, same as votes in every other state. We would have a true national election instead of 51 local elections. A candidate might actually advertise in Nebraska instead of spending all their media in Florida, Ohio and one or two other states.
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May 16th, 2017 at 6:27:04 PM permalink
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And why are States even part of the equation?



Different states have different interests depending on their geography and demographics and economic production. Some even have disproportionate religious identities like Utah.

Take Nevada for instance. 30 years ago, if Nevada never mattered in a presidential election many people in other states wouldn't care if Nevada had particular gambling interests? That could adversely affect what legislation goes through at Federal levels.

Shoot, a decision to build a highway or railroad through one state instead of another can depend on national influence.

The Yucca Mountain nuclear waste disposal would likely already be in Nevada if it weren't for political influence.

That's what I think the drawback would be to a popular vote. Unless you provided for certain protections of small populated states.
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May 16th, 2017 at 6:55:18 PM permalink
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BREAKING NEWS:

NYT just posted leaked FBI memo of Trump asking Comey to drop the Russia investigation

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/05/16/us/politics/james-comey-trump-flynn-russia-investigation.html



It is time for the GOP to put America's ahead of their party. And it is also time for Trumper such as SooPoo, RS, RonC, Zcore13, et al. to put America's ahead of their party.

And it is time for America to put the rule of law above personal interest.

Yes, the sinister Pence is more dangerous than the racist, sexist, rapist, scam artist, incompetent, corrupted, idiot, liar, and untrustworthy Trump, but for the sake of "rule of law" principle, America should not be afraid of Pence succeeding Trump as the next POTUS. It is time to give Trump a fair trial in an impeachment proceeding.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/05/15/the-republicans-trump-problem-and-ours

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/05/16/trump-officials-on-comey-memo-dont-see-how-trump-isnt-completely-fcked
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May 16th, 2017 at 7:08:02 PM permalink
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Different states have different interests depending on their geography and demographics and economic production. Some even have disproportionate religious identities like Utah.

Take Nevada for instance. 30 years ago, if Nevada never mattered in a presidential election many people in other states wouldn't care if Nevada had particular gambling interests? That could adversely affect what legislation goes through at Federal levels.

Shoot, a decision to build a highway or railroad through one state instead of another can depend on national influence.

The Yucca Mountain nuclear waste disposal would likely already be in Nevada if it weren't for political influence.

That's what I think the drawback would be to a popular vote. Unless you provided for certain protections of small populated states.



The correct word should be influence instead of control. Influencing in politic and/election is unavoidable. For example, NRA represent a very small percentage of voters can exert great influence. The same is true for evangelical, and the rich.

The structural of House Representative and Senate in Congress would provide certain protections of small states. For example, small states have the same representation in Senate (2 per state regardless od population size), and small states often form alliance to have effective representation/negotiation.

There will never be a perfect system, but the fairest system should be based on majority rule with good built in check-and-balance of power. And IMO, our system of governance would be much better and fairer if the electoral college is eliminated.
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May 16th, 2017 at 7:49:36 PM permalink
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Someone get Donald his unsecured Android phone! I wanna see some stupid ass tweets!!



Someone in the WH should remind the racist, sexist, rapist and scam artist Trump of this Miranda rights warning:

“You have the right to remain silent. Anything you tweet can and will be used against you in a court of law or an impeachment proceeding. You have the right to an attorney. If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be provided for you."
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May 16th, 2017 at 8:02:44 PM permalink
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There will never be a perfect system, but the fairest system should be based on majority rule with good built in check-and-balance of power. And IMO, our system of governance would be much better and fairer if the electoral college is eliminated.



I actually would prefer popular vote election, and it's even possible that if the founders had gone with a popular vote, the US would adapt to it successfully.

They assumed they would have certain problems, but perhaps unfortunately did not assume that people might improvise and solve the problem of representation without an electoral college.

Of course, in general you solve the problem of large majorities by smaller groups working together. That's the most obvious improvisation, but there may be other solutions.
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May 16th, 2017 at 11:42:03 PM permalink
I just watched Conan tonight. Was a replay of the day the CNN and whoever else fell for the Trump-hookers-piss fake news story. Conan passed it on as news too and the audience ate it up. It was a good reminder of why there's nothing as a Trump supporter to freak out about.

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May 17th, 2017 at 3:31:44 AM permalink
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There will never be a perfect system, but the fairest system should be based on majority rule with good built in check-and-balance of power. And IMO, our system of governance would be much better and fairer if the electoral college is eliminated.

Agreed.

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