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August 23rd, 2016 at 6:08:31 PM permalink
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I wonder if they ignore the so-called fifteen hundred dollar rule for people flying to for Las Vegas?

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Yes.
if it the size of your regular paycheck, as well as the amount you'd at least on occasion typically carry, (and it is for many Americans), the TSA cannot make a claim to it as suspicious. They really can't say anything for you cashing and taking your paycheck amount on a Vegas vacation.
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August 23rd, 2016 at 6:18:01 PM permalink
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Yes.
if it the size of your regular paycheck, as well as the amount you'd at least on occasion typically carry, (and it is for many Americans), the TSA cannot make a claim to it as suspicious. They really can't say anything for you cashing and taking your paycheck amount on a Vegas vacation.



You would have a case if $2,000 or $3,000 were an issue for them. Going in, it's your vacation and gambling money for the trip, and going out, your hot dice roll winnings. In a car on an empty highway, it would be different.

Some Cops, seeing more cash than their own paychecks allot for, may react strangely, whether the driver was a salt of the earth American farm boy who's now a general, or what have you.
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August 23rd, 2016 at 6:21:25 PM permalink
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Let me cut through the Malarkey and clear this thing up for you, FACE or Axel-Rod: Everyone is resposible for covering his ass and assets - regardless of class level or accusations.
And don't worry about talking nice to me, shoot, no one does, and I really don't care.

If you're traveling far from home with fifteen-plus C-notes on person/in pocket,
1. Expect that you may get robbed, - highway cops included;
2. Don't cry us or yourself a river - if done warned in plain English how to take reasonable precautions while out on the road.
3. "Almost" serves you right if not otherwise smart enough in the modern world, and;
4. No sympathy. Zero. None. Bordering on "serves you right to lose it." Seriously.

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No. Just for the non-stupid and reasonably world-wise - regardless of class. It isn't based on race or ethnicity or income or oppression, and DON'T try to say it is, Face, as you're implying. A POOR man doesn't travel in an old Chevy 600 miles with $19,000 in cash! He goes to Envios Cambios and protects himself just as I go to Chase Bank or the Bank of Las Vegas. I say, Don't give a crook an even chance on your stash, in any scenario, that's all.
Hence the easy advice. Don't be a Mark when warned not to in the real world,

Quote: Face

No. Liberty and justice for ALL. Jesus Christ.


C'mon now, Face, - don't be some sort of a Shangri-La Social Justice Warrior here, just pointing out the risk of traveling with too much cash.
In surveillance you bust AP players, and here you talk Shangri-La stuff, La-La stuff to me - I'm just not buying it.


Good, fine.
Personally, I consider it the mildest of punishments you might deserve if you take that naïve position. (On a new twist, they say: hurl me a river.)


No, It's business as the world simply is today, and yes as such it is damn good advice. I meant it in only that way. To apologize a tad here, and to soften things, I agree it [corruption anywhere] is not right or good, but it is the world we deal with. Why set yourself up as a mark when you don't have to, and when it is simple to avoid all these headaches?


Hey, I saw to it by work and by the school of hard knocks. NO apology here at all.
But the thing is, ANYONE can walk into a check-cashing or "Envios Cambios" place and buy money orders or a pre-paid debit card to thwart cash seizures and stick-ups, - regardless of social class, so don't play a class or race or immigrant thing to it. People have access to the same basic banking and precautions that I have, whether $19,000 a year or $104,572 a year. No apologizes, and it is NOT that much.
I'm sorry, but the lowliest immigrant knows as much when facing the business end of a switchblade or a crooked cop on the highway, for that matter. NOTHING elitist here, and to imply otherwise is Codswallop Poppycock Balderdash Malarkey. And Ron White is less of a false Social Justice Warrior than I am, but admittedly, not by much.


If you do this you're an idiot. You just need to protect yourself in travel, if you've done this then you've covered a reasonable nut.


I won't say, "There ya go..." - as I do think you're pretty sharp, Face.



You DESERVE Liberty and Justice, hence taking precautions to preserve your liberty, justice, (and CASH when ON THE ROAD.)


Oh, The Hell It Does. (And this coming from Surveillance....wow...)
If I were an HONEST cop, I would accept a reasonable reason for a driver having $6,000 in C-notes - but I would have my suspicions and book it as evidence if NOT receiving a plausible (cop-wise) scenario - AND to be returned upon reasonable proof to the court.
And I tell you, Mr. Driver would receive a lecture on using and supporting Credit Unions "for the people" to protect them - as fellow Americans, or even illegals.


Yeah, that's exactly my point - protect yourself in this real world, and DON'T expect justice, even/especially from cops and the court. We're here on suffereance, so please don't volunteer to be the poster boy.

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No harm in that; it's actually a kind and generous thing to do. But to put the onus on the common man? Shameful to the nth. The fact that these views are held is already gonna keep me up at night.
The onus IS on the common man, and he needs help and advice from his fellow gambling man every step of the way to protect his ass from the man.


And who the Hell are you to judge me, or how well I sleep? I sleep mighty fine, right after Jimmy Fallon.
I think you're a false self-righteous Social Justice Warrior taking shots here at this board.

It's not just some rogue cops doing this. It's organized legal theft. Even the bad cops are given permission and encouraged to do this on a grand scale(Billions worth)
Everyones money or property is automatically guilty even when the people are obviously innocent. Due to short deadlines and legal costs people lose their money. It's not some rare bad cop situation.

You think it's just people traveling with money? Well It's not, they are going into innocent peoples homes and taking their cash. Here's a quick case. Drug dealer on 2nd floor apartment was raided. Neighbors who had zero affiliation with him or drugs the cops I'm the midst of the raid break into their apartment find one person with $1500 and someone with $2000 and they take it. They neighbors only get back $1500 of the $3500 and only after getting a lawyer and 5 court apperiances and 18 months. Everyone's in on it not just a bad cop hete and there because the court's had the opportunity to make it right yet they didn't.

87 year old woman saves her pension money of $2000
They take it from her HOME. And guess what?


You might want to do some more research on this subject. There's a lot more to it than you think.

TSA agent told me the other day they will detain you and cease your money. I don't know if they are the ones to take it but who cares who takes it once it's gone.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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August 23rd, 2016 at 6:43:50 PM permalink
Look:

I live in Vegas, so I can bring cash five blocks down the street and I'm in a big casino pit.

But I would just as quickly say don't travel very far with very big cash.
It is begging trouble, cop or thief crossing your path, and frequently one may be the same - under the justification of foreiture malarkey.

The longer the distance, the bigger the cash, the bigger the risk and better the reason to wire it or use Travelers Check with receipts kept at home, what have you/what do you.CASH they can take from you for the reasons given. This they cannot claim nor cash, nor put a stop on against you, short of a criminal filing in court.

I don't like the world's condition any more than FACE does, but I see it as it is: sometimes very rough the way it is. I can't consider buying a few prepaid cards or travelers checks to be an issue or an injust inconvenience, or if you can't have the casino accept a wire transfer - if you're a roller.

This is something your bank or credit union or casino cage can advise you on in a moment
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August 23rd, 2016 at 6:44:22 PM permalink
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Quote: Romes

[Calling upon Paigowdan...]Oh god... What have I done?


You summoned the devil yourself.


Both.
1. Bad cops exist. - check!
2. Bad laws exist (that allow bad cops to do this!). - check!
3. Traveling with cash that is not physically on your person cannot be taken from you by such cops, or any cops. [As this would require judges and lawyers, who know more about the law and are less likely to do this than cops.]


It's totally indefensible by them in the end - but you can still lose the cash on you if you are not smart before travelling.
They can say either one of two things:
1. Cry me a river, and you're broke, and you're now free to go.
2. Cry me a river, and you still have your assets, and you are now free to go.

It's NOT a question if bad cops exit. It's a question of keeping what's yours in spite of them while traveling.
In this regard, trust wire transfers, other defensive measures, and the casino cage more than them if you are concerned.



It is very common for a black father or mother to advice their sons on how to deal with cops in certain ways to avoid becoming a victim of police brutality. And your expression or "advice" here is not an advice by any mean, but it is really a statement of blaming the victim.

Your attitude in the money seizure is a classic case of blaming the victim. Your attitude of blaming the money seizure victim is no different than blaming a rape victim because the way she dressed.

The fact that money seizure incidents discussed here is very rare, and it is very common for people to choose convenience over the low probability of having their cash legally or illegally confiscated by bad law enforcement personnel or by a corrupted enforcement agency. And there is nothing stupid for choosing such convenience. Traveling with large cash on hand for the sake of convenience is NOT the same as walking through a crime laden neighborhood at night with pocketful of cash.
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August 23rd, 2016 at 6:52:05 PM permalink
Quote: Paigowdan

Are you kiddin' ?
You read it, loved it, and cursed me for it because you disagree, and have trouble falsifying it. The real deal.
A gambler who travels protects himself.
Any and all should.



No, I just see you as the ploppy you present yourself as. If I missed something along the way, feel free to inform me. Always willing to admit when I'm wrong. Because that's what smart people do. Make an educated evaluation and still be open to admitting they are wrong. My evaluation is based on your posts of what you play. But again I am not too proud to admit I was wrong based on your posted results of your play. After all, most of us are not too stubborn to learn from those who are beating the HA.
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August 23rd, 2016 at 7:05:48 PM permalink
I am a false self-righteous Social Justice Warrior, and I been lobbing shots all month. No argument there. I certainly decry things while enjoying the advantages of them. I do engage in action in conflict with my rhetoric. Guilty as charged.

But I try. I see what not trying gets you. Since when are we not supposed to resist things which are harmful, or call out when we see it in others? I'm not perfect in that regard, I'm not asking it of others. But I try. And I am asking that.

I'm not challenging your help, your assistance. I said it straight out, as a warning as to the ways of today, it's great. It's exactly what one should do, and kudos to you for offering the advice as one who savvy to the game. But the lack of concern for such an obvious wrong apparent in your boo-hoo, cry a river post should not be tolerated. It should not be held. Hell, man, you have such deep seated views when it comes to "casino law". Do you only hold regard for your specific company, or for the gaming industry as a whole?

It's just wrong. And comparing it to criminal theft, that is, theft committed by a citizen, is unfair to the max. There are plenty of way to avoid, deter, and prevent that sort. Being aware of your surroundings, body posture, avoiding shady areas and times of day, resistance, force. What are your options when it comes to 5-0? There is but ONE. State that you do not consent, remain calm, and allow them to do any single thing they so choose. To resist means pain, if not death, and a certain criminal charge no matter how right you were.

And by the folks we employ to act in our best interest. Those who we employ to protect us, to allow us to prosper. No sir, not the same at all. It's a wrong on so many levels. Too many levels.

And yes, I did do it. Recently, too. There are plenty who are not "third world poor" but my kind of poor. I don't buy from dealers as it's too expensive, and ain't no pickins out in the sticks. Car, truck, boat... BIG purchases are made via Craigslist. And unless you're buying, say, electronics still in the package, the value is TBD. How do you do that with a cashier's check? Just make it for asking price and lose dollars you cannot afford? Or make a 12 hour round trip for nothing, because although you came to a deal, your amount of funds is concrete and doesn't fit. Unless I'm reading this wrong, for doing this I am both an idiot (an opinion I've no complaint against) but also not deserving of liberty and justice. No. I don't stand for that. I'd ask no one to stand for that, and I'd hope you'd change your mind, too.

Lastly, I have been lobbing shots. I have been more extremist than I've ever been. I just can't help it. I see things I feel are so obviously wrong, and when light is shone upon them, I feel most people just shrug and continue plodding along their path. It all ties into every other one of my rants. You want to fix the world? It's on YOU. It means doing the work and putting in the effort to stand by what is right and resist that which is wrong. Not shrug and sulk because you just got ripped off $500, but stand and fight it. Encourage others to do the same. And if there's any rah-rah warrior balderdashery here, it's out of frustration as I can't believe that asking for such base things as standing up for yourself and doing the right things are being met with RESISTANCE and DISAGREEMENT. The mind boggles.

So yes. Pow-pow, shots across the bow. I want to see passion. I want to stir you, to make you act without thinking. I want to see what's at the core, because what I see on the surface is s#$%. And I want to see if I'm not alone. It's tough doing the right thing, and I need inspiration, too.
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August 23rd, 2016 at 7:38:24 PM permalink
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Quote: Paigowdan

Paigowdan here: Let me say if you're carrying more than a paycheck's worth of cash when traveling domestically ($1,500 with a pay check stub), then something may be up, in the eyes of law enforcement. If you're innocent, fine, if you're dead-to-rights guilty, also fine - but you're a SCHMUCK if you're so stupid as to travel with tons to cash; little sympathy from me if you have no brains on the road and how to travel with money. Sad? - Yes, oftentimes very sad, but a bit of Cry me a river if you fail to think before you travel.



I can't tell if I'm losing my mind, or if everyone around me is losing theirs. Gimme a sec to settle down and I will say the nicest thing I can about this post...

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Liberty and justice for the wise? For the wealthy? For the poor? For the intelligent? For the simple?

No. Liberty and justice for ALL. Jesus Christ.

Opinions such as these make me literally sick. It's good advice, sure. I can't argue that it's "wise" to "avoid trouble". But damn each and every one of you who looks at this as "business as usual". F#$% that.

Maybe YOU have nice and easy access to financial institutions. Maybe YOU have time to spare to transact some sort of check. Maybe YOU have the time to return it if the deal goes south. Maybe YOU have a job that allows you free 9-5 time to do so. Maybe YOU have a spouse that can help if you can't. Good for you.

Maybe I wanna keep all my money in my mattress. Maybe I only wanna deal in cash. Maybe I don't have the time, ability, or sources to go that "safe" route. Am I an idiot? Debatable. But am I undeserving of liberty and justice? NO.

It's stances like PGD's that give credence to these shakedowns. It's one thing to advise folks in how to deal with a f#$%ed up situation. No harm in that; it's actually a kind and generous thing to do. But to put the onus on the common man? Shameful to the nth. The fact that these views are held is already gonna keep me up at night. I have no idea how you can sleep at all.



+100. Cringed at the dead eagle, though.

Tired but oh so true Franklin paraphrase. Those who would exchange a bit of liberty for a bit of safety deserve neither.

It's legal to travel with cash. There are many legit reasons to do so. All the war in drugs has done in this regard is inconvenience millions, steal from thousands, and enrich the collective police state.

We are the Evil Empire in this regard. Thanks, RWR. So much. I was subject to illegal search several times a year as ATC; drug testing was implemented after I was hired. Made required retroactive. Still resent peeing in a crowd.

Seizing money and sorting it out months later, if ever, just because you HAVE it is completely Bogus. Not to mention the attorney fees likely, and or the civic fees. Reminds me of China charging the family for the bullet they used to execute the prisoner.

Enough rant. Hot food.
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August 23rd, 2016 at 8:04:13 PM permalink
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It is not common for a black father or mother to advice their sons on how to deal with cops in certain ways to avoid becoming a victim of police brutality. And your expression or "advice" here is not an advice by any mean, but it is really a statement of blaming the victim.


Bullshit.
I said "don't carry large amounts of cash that crooked cops or thieves can steal" - or impound when they don't have to, - and when you are on the road.

I said wire money, or use Prepaid cards, or use Traveler's Checks. Nothing racial in that. YOU said color 777, not me. Shades of Godwin's Law coming.

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Your attitude in the money seizure is a classic case of blaming the victim. Your attitude of blaming the money seizure victim is no different than blaming a rape victim because the way she dressed.


No.
I said protect yourself from becoming a freaking victim of thieves and corrupt police, and I listed various techniques to "fight the oppressors ways" here.
I don't blame the victim. But I will blame a moron who should have known better; that's different. If you walk down a ghetto street in North Las Vegas at 1AM in a Mister Roger's Cardigan and Polo shirt with $10,000 sticking out of your pocket, yes, PLEASE get robbed of that money while looking at the rifling of a .45 ACP. If you don't end up in the Emergency room of UMC, then it was a wonderful day in the neighborhood. There can be NO claims of victimhood here, just stupidity and naivety. Same thing with driving through some small town hick county area in a hick state with the same money sitting on the dashboard. I'd hope Sheriff Roscoe P. Coltrane takes half of it, calling you a fool, while welcoming you to Farnsworthville, Mississippi, home of the 10-foot Cheese Wheel.

Quote: 777

The fact that money seizure incidents discussed here is very rare, and it is very common for people to choose convenience over the low probability of having their cash legally or illegally confiscated by bad law enforcement personnel or by a corrupted enforcement agency. And there is nothing stupid for choosing such convenience. Traveling with large cash on hand for the sake of convenience is NOT the same as walking through a crime laden neighborhood at night with pocketful of cash.


As a matter of fact, the money seizure incidents discussed here are so common that John Oliver of HBO (as well as this forum and Time magazine) made it an issue of prominence in the U.S., if you had notice this thread or watched the media. In fact "Highway Robbery" is a part of English Language lexicon, apparently not going away any time soon. And Police-Fabricated Asset Seizure is just as bad neighborhood robbery, just done by cops or the state, which is a more serious issue when the state itself commits it. No excuse of "my wife needed to feed the kids here" can be applied, as it is now government institutionalized.

As for "Convenience": I also think there is NO convenience in carry $10,000 in cash that can be lost at the point of a switchblade, or a 5th drink, or handgun, - or at a corrupt police stop on a highway; in fact, it's all very stupid and a very great inconvenience when you think about it or the risk in losing it. Once you get stuck-up for ten grand or so out of your car OR pocket, I think the "convenience point" is quite moot. Same with having a few drinks and misplacing it. Only a damn fool carries needed excess cash needlessly, to lose, no matter what the social-economic class.

In fact, the lower the socio-economic class, the dumber the risk in losing your family's needed cash, hence Darwinism of it all, and as politically incorrect to say.

Traveling with large cash on the highway is the same as walking through a crime laden local neighborhood at night - if you get stuck the hell up. One is not a "softer, kinder, and gentler" stick-up than the other - as you attempt to imply here. Bullshit. And either is stupid if avoidable. Town or highway, white or black, male or female, gambler or non-gambler - none is excusable or superior, as you 777 are attempting to imply here. All robbery sucks - and, I think a cop of the State doing it makes it even worse.

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August 23rd, 2016 at 8:14:11 PM permalink
Glad I started reading this thread now....got to the point where PGD's posts are now entirely in the "I have no idea wtf is being said" category, while ping-ponging from "I'm just trying to help" and "blame the victim".

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