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October 19th, 2015 at 8:33:41 AM permalink
Curious what the community would do in this situation, if anything.

Playing at an East Coast casino this weekend, and was hopping around playing a few different Ultimate X machines. Got up from one and went to another machine on the other side of the room, put my cup on the chair and asked the lady next to it to please hold the seat for me. I suddenly realize I left 100$ in my other machine and head back. By the time I get there the 100$ was gone.

Now at first I wasn't entirely sure that is what happened, but upon getting home and counting my money I realized it definitely did. Is this something worth bringing up to security or should I consider it a sunk cost? I was looking for multipliers on the machines and not sure if the casino frowns on this, so don't want to security to end up banning me or something if I ask them to review the tapes.

It's only 100$ but if it is easy for them to track wouldn't mind making a call.
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October 19th, 2015 at 8:39:56 AM permalink
You've already identified the yin/yang of the situation. If you ask security they'll probably see you vulturing the machine. Now whether they'll know anything about it or do anything about it, who knows. They might only be interested in watching you walk and leave $100 and watching whomever comes up and clicks cash out, because that is a crime. I'd be more tempted to go to security not to get my $100 but to get the person whom STOLE it prosecuted.

Pending which shop I was at, I probably would have went to security and told them as soon as I thought that's what happened.

Regardless, taking the $100 hit might be an okay idea just to teach/reinforce you to not leave money in a machine and walk away =p. One of those, yeah, that'll never happen again type events.
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October 19th, 2015 at 8:47:26 AM permalink
The longer you wait, the less helpful and more skeptical the security people will be.

I'm not sure where the line is, but I suspect you've already passed it.

Chalk it up to an expensive lesson learned.
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October 19th, 2015 at 8:54:26 AM permalink
Were you using your players card? Without it, even if the money was turned in they would have no way to contact you.
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October 19th, 2015 at 9:00:16 AM permalink
Contact the casino right away. Security won't know what you were up to (surveillance might), and it doesn't matter. Theft is theft. You might not get your $100 back, but if security can identify the person who cashed out that $100 and that person appears on property again they would likely get charged and 86ed.

And if you're a frequent enough better, I think you can cross-reference your claim to promotions who might issue you some free play, if vulturing X is not your only activity and you use a card.
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October 19th, 2015 at 9:14:54 AM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

The longer you wait, the less helpful and more skeptical the security people will be.

I'm not sure where the line is, but I suspect you've already passed it.

Chalk it up to an expensive lesson learned.



This happened yesterday afternoon, and yes I was using a players card.

Thanks.
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October 19th, 2015 at 9:20:19 AM permalink
I wouldn't be the least bit concerned about "vulturing". Security might be able to assist you; but I don't think you'd be getting your money back unless someone turned it in.
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October 19th, 2015 at 10:28:13 AM permalink
I wouldn't let the vulturing be an issue. Security/surveillance probably will think you were just shopping around for a "lucky" machine.

I would also put your odds of getting your money back at about 2% at best. It is more an issue of seeking justice, which is unlikely to be found. Casinos see credit vultures all the time and prefer to concentrate on bigger problems.

If it were me I'd just let it go.
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October 19th, 2015 at 10:30:30 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

...I would also put your odds of getting your money back at about 2% at best...

While you may be right, I'm curious as to why you rate this so low? With all of the cameras/technology... All they need is a time/machine and then they can see the person that did it, follow them from the time they walked in to the time they left. If they ever used an ID, or players card for ANYTHING inside the casino, then bam, first and last name, address, etc. How they don't get caught is kind of beyond me?

Am I grossly overestimating the standard casino surveillance? I thought this was pretty much their kind of case. Like what they would exactly be best for?
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October 19th, 2015 at 10:33:28 AM permalink
Abandoned money is not the same as stolen money.
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October 19th, 2015 at 10:39:49 AM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

Abandoned money is not the same as stolen money.

There was a thread about this recently... in which abandoned money was indeed found to be the same as stolen money?

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/23706-not-giving-back-found-in-a-slot-machine-stealing/
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October 19th, 2015 at 10:40:37 AM permalink
Quote: Romes

There was a thread about this recently... in which abandoned money was indeed found to be the same as stolen money?

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/23706-not-giving-back-found-in-a-slot-machine-stealing/


Not here it isn't.
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October 19th, 2015 at 10:45:56 AM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

Abandoned money is not the same as stolen money.



It is in the eyes of the casino I am pretty sure. I thought that casinos consider chips on the floors/money left to be their property? So while they might not care about me losing my money, they do care about someone taking money they consider to be their's.

If I am mistaken and this is not the case I am going to go around casino to casino "finding" money if there are no repercussions lol.
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October 19th, 2015 at 11:02:48 AM permalink
Quote: Hoodstar

Curious what the community would do in this situation, if anything.

Playing at an East Coast casino this weekend, and was hopping around playing a few different Ultimate X machines. Got up from one and went to another machine on the other side of the room, put my cup on the chair and asked the lady next to it to please hold the seat for me. I suddenly realize I left 100$ in my other machine and head back. By the time I get there the 100$ was gone.

Now at first I wasn't entirely sure that is what happened, but upon getting home and counting my money I realized it definitely did. Is this something worth bringing up to security or should I consider it a sunk cost? I was looking for multipliers on the machines and not sure if the casino frowns on this, so don't want to security to end up banning me or something if I ask them to review the tapes.

It's only 100$ but if it is easy for them to track wouldn't mind making a call.



If it were in the casino I work at, the footage is kept (regulated) for a minimum of a week. Our recorded history is much longer, due to storage space and bandwidth used by the CCTV. If you were able to provide the machine number + bank and a time and date of occurrence, it could be looked into and potentially recovered.

This sort of situation happens fairly often in one way or another, and a resolution is usually pretty easy.
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October 19th, 2015 at 11:35:27 AM permalink
I don't think I would worry about the vulturing aspect, unless I has already had some sort of run-in with the casino on that issue, or perhaps some similar issue.
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October 19th, 2015 at 11:37:59 AM permalink
Quote: rxwine

I don't think I would worry about the vulturing aspect, unless I has already had some sort of run-in with the casino on that issue, or perhaps some similar issue.



Not usually an element in the incident, from our perspective. Just looking to return the money to the rightful owner. Vulture away
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October 19th, 2015 at 1:31:19 PM permalink
Quote: Romes

While you may be right, I'm curious as to why you rate this so low? With all of the cameras/technology... All they need is a time/machine and then they can see the person that did it, follow them from the time they walked in to the time they left. If they ever used an ID, or players card for ANYTHING inside the casino, then bam, first and last name, address, etc. How they don't get caught is kind of beyond me?

Am I grossly overestimating the standard casino surveillance? I thought this was pretty much their kind of case. Like what they would exactly be best for?



Surveillance could easily get a good picture of who did it. However, it could be a recreational player who just found the money they (surveillance) don't recognize. It may also be one of hundreds of dregs that troll around the casino but security are only alerted to the faces of bigger fish.

If security really cared about cutting down on credit trolls they could use plants to abandon money in machines as bait and it wouldn't take long to catch a fish. But you never hear of them doing this.

Finally, just because they catch the drug doesn't mean he will give the money back. I'd lay long odds he doesn't.

Again, they have more important things to worry about.
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October 19th, 2015 at 1:41:32 PM permalink
Still, for the good of Gondor the call should be made to security, with the machine name to report the loss. Although your don't have a good chance of getting it back, the theft should be reported and an attempt for the thief to be caught should occur. It takes a bad egg off the casino floor and helps others.
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