100xOdds
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September 26th, 2015 at 8:12:23 PM permalink
So I was at a bar in a casino and a guy was talking about him almost losing $500 because he was a dumbass.

he said thought he cashed out of his machine. but when he went to the cashiers cage, he couldn't find his slot ticket.
he went back to the machine and saw a lady there playing. the amount on the machine was $5xx.
he asked her if there was $ in the machine when she sat down. she said no.

He went to security.
Cameras showed that after he left, she sat down. and it also showed that there was still $5xx in the machine when he left.
he said security went to talk to her. she refused to give back the $.

they asked him if he wanted to press charges. he said as long as he gets his $ back, she's free to go.
and he got his $ back.


Yeah, this makes sense. Security can prove the $ belongs to someone else.
it's not yours and not giving it back when asked is stealing.

if I found $ in a machine and security told me the $ belongs to XYZ and the cameras can prove it, I would have no problem giving it up.
On the other hand, I would probably just cash out instead of playing it and take the ticket to a self-service kiosk to cash it. then leave.
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zoobrew
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September 26th, 2015 at 8:32:01 PM permalink
"On the other hand, I would probably just cash out instead of playing it and took the ticket to a self-service kiosk to cash it. then leave."

Doing this will probably force the casino/police to follow the path of an arrest warrant for you(the person in the photo). I wouldn't plan on visiting a casino in that city for awhile.
rxwine
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September 26th, 2015 at 8:41:21 PM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds


if I found $ in a machine and security told me the $ belongs to XYZ and the cameras can prove it, I would have no problem giving it up.
On the other hand, I would probably just cash out instead of playing it and took the ticket to a self-service kiosk to cash it. then leave.



I thought of another thing you could do in this kind of situation.

Lots of people talk about crummy casino personnel they run across. Cash it out and go give it to your least favorite tip hustler, or whatever person you had a problem with.

Have a good laugh when it is re-claimed by security later.
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September 26th, 2015 at 8:57:24 PM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

Yeah, this makes sense. Security can prove the $ belongs to someone else.
it's not yours and not giving it back is stealing.

if I found $ in a machine and security told me the $ belongs to XYZ and the cameras can prove it, I would have no problem giving it up.
On the other hand, I would probably just cash out instead of playing it and took the ticket to a self-service kiosk to cash it. then leave.



Each ticket is logged by the slot machines when they're inserted or cashed out. Whether someone plays the money or cashes it out, they're still caught.

My favorite is when someone puts in $20 on top of it, spins once, and cashes the whole thing out. Still able to determine whose credits is whose.
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September 26th, 2015 at 9:34:58 PM permalink
Quote: Dodsferd

Each ticket is logged by the slot machines when they're inserted or cashed out. Whether someone plays the money or cashes it out, they're still caught.

My favorite is when someone puts in $20 on top of it, spins once, and cashes the whole thing out. Still able to determine whose credits is whose.

And? Elaborate more please with different scenarios.

Other than not forgetting in the first place. What's the best way for a player to protect himself from this?

What happens if player leaves $100 behind, player B comes along and puts in $100, by the time security arrives all the money is all lost?

What happens if player leaves $100 behind, player B comes along and puts in $20 in plays hits a jackpot(on player A's credits and gets paid. Finally Security arrives.
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sabre
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September 26th, 2015 at 9:48:28 PM permalink
Quote: Dodsferd

Each ticket is logged by the slot machines when they're inserted or cashed out. Whether someone plays the money or cashes it out, they're still caught.

My favorite is when someone puts in $20 on top of it, spins once, and cashes the whole thing out. Still able to determine whose credits is whose.



It gives the thief some plausible deniability if caught. "What? I put money in spun some times and cashed out. I thought I won, isn't that how slot machines work? Sorry, didn't realize, here's the money."

Doubtful they will be arrested if they go this route. If they just cash out the ticket then it's a lot harder to deny that it isn't straight up theft.
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September 26th, 2015 at 10:01:09 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

And? Elaborate more please with different scenarios.

Other than not forgetting in the first place. What's the best way for a player to protect himself from this?



First and foremost, never trust those stupid "reserved" signs. They're completely pointless.

If players aren't able to remember to cash out after being done at the machine, they'll be at the mercy of hoping that the Slots / Security / Surveillance teams are competent, and that the CCTV system is able to get the right angles.

Quote: AxelWolf


What happens if player leaves $100 behind, player B comes along and puts in $100, by the time security arrives all the money is all lost?


They still owe player A $100. If they refuse to pay it, they're banned until the have a change of heart. I've seen one specific instance where the casino took the stance to reimburse the player directly, and have the accused owe the casino instead.

Quote: AxelWolf


What happens if player leaves $100 behind, player B comes along and puts in $20 in plays hits a jackpot(on player A's credits and gets paid. Finally Security arrives.



I love this scenario. I've seen this happen. Whomever spun the reel, gets the jackpot. Player A would get their original volume of credits back, but they have no claim to the jackpot.

Quote: sabre

It gives the thief some plausible deniability if caught. "What? I put money in spun some times and cashed out. I thought I won, isn't that how slot machines work? Sorry, didn't realize, here's the money."

Doubtful they will be arrested if they go this route. If they just cash out the ticket then it's a lot harder to deny that it isn't straight up theft.



No it doesn't. Even after paying back the money, depending on circumstance, we may ban the player anyway if it's decided that they're predatory in nature.
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sabre
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September 26th, 2015 at 10:09:49 PM permalink
Quote: Dodsferd

No it doesn't. Even after paying back the money, depending on circumstance, we may ban the player anyway if it's decided that they're predatory in nature.



Ok, if you think police are as likely to arrest someone who cashes out immediately vs someone who puts their own money on top, plays, then cashes out, then that's fine.
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September 26th, 2015 at 10:12:00 PM permalink
Quote: sabre

Ok, if you think police are as likely to arrest someone who cashes out immediately vs someone who puts their own money on top, plays, then cashes out, then that's fine.



Who said anything about police arresting anyone? I'm talking about what the casino and what gaming will do. Do you have experience in these scenarios?
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AxelWolf
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September 27th, 2015 at 3:37:29 AM permalink
Quote: Dodsferd

First and foremost, never trust those stupid "reserved" signs. They're completely pointless.

If players aren't able to remember to cash out after being done at the machine, they'll be at the mercy of hoping that the Slots / Security / Surveillance teams are competent, and that the CCTV system is able to get the right angles.


They still owe player A $100. If they refuse to pay it, they're banned until the have a change of heart. I've seen one specific instance where the casino took the stance to reimburse the player directly, and have the accused owe the casino instead.



I love this scenario. I've seen this happen. Whomever spun the reel, gets the jackpot. Player A would get their original volume of credits back, but they have no claim to the jackpot.



No it doesn't. Even after paying back the money, depending on circumstance, we may ban the player anyway if it's decided that they're predatory in nature.

Having your players card in is the best way to protect yourself.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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