Who deserves credit for the development of Las Vegas?
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August 19th, 2015 at 10:40:24 AM
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As a fan of Las Vegas history and development, I sometimes ask myself who was most instrumental in the development of Las Vegas and its gambling casinos and culture?
I'd say E. Parry Thomas, the ultimate "Man Behind The Curtain."
I'd say E. Parry Thomas, the ultimate "Man Behind The Curtain."
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August 19th, 2015 at 10:50:34 AM
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Quote: MrVAs a fan of Las Vegas history and development, I sometimes ask myself who was most instrumental in the development of Las Vegas and its gambling casinos and culture?
I'd say E. Parry Thomas, the ultimate "Man Behind The Curtain."
Then you should have voted. It is your poll.
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August 19th, 2015 at 10:53:56 AM
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Probably Moe Greene.
Really it is different people in different eras. Modern era no question it is Steve Wynn, Vegas had a has-been image when he broke ground for Mirage.
Really it is different people in different eras. Modern era no question it is Steve Wynn, Vegas had a has-been image when he broke ground for Mirage.
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August 19th, 2015 at 11:24:56 AM
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Jay Sarno
Benny Binion
Derek Stevens
Benny Binion
Derek Stevens
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August 19th, 2015 at 11:37:24 AM
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I wouldn't even blame the Devil for that mess.
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August 19th, 2015 at 12:00:19 PM
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Jimmy Hoffa
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August 19th, 2015 at 12:32:49 PM
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Sam 'Ace' Rothstein with some help from Nicky Santaro and Billy Sherbert
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August 19th, 2015 at 1:03:01 PM
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Quote: DJTeddyBearJay Sarno
Benny Binion
Derek Stevens
I'm a big fan of the D but come on, how can you list Stevens ahead of Wynn or Adelson?
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August 19th, 2015 at 1:28:29 PM
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Quote: bigfoot66I'm a big fan of the D but come on, how can you list Stevens ahead of Wynn or Adelson?
The poll is specifically about "Las Vegas", isn't it?
OK, I must admit that Wynn did once own a casino in Las Vegas, though I don't think Adelson ever has. Unlike Stevens & Wynn, Mr. A spent his time way outside town in Paradise.
;-)
August 19th, 2015 at 1:28:30 PM
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Quote: AZDuffmanJimmy Hoffa
The key word in the original post is "development."
Jimmy Hoffa gets the vote followed by Steve Wynn.
Billy Wilkerson was already building an upscale casino and hotel when Bugsy Siegel maneuvered himself in place and took it over,
Hughes bought casinos but never built any. Frank Rosenthal ran casinos but never built anything either.
August 19th, 2015 at 1:48:05 PM
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Might be more appropriate to use the term blame than credit me thinks. Tough call, good suggestions so far.
August 19th, 2015 at 1:50:41 PM
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How about the Mormons? If was just a pile of sand until they showed up.
August 19th, 2015 at 1:51:10 PM
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The ploppies
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August 19th, 2015 at 1:59:46 PM
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Quote: mcallister3200Might be more appropriate to use the term blame than credit me thinks. Tough call, good suggestions so far.
The more money lost, the more the people have to rationalize it as something good.
The winners know (and don't mind telling) what the score is.
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August 19th, 2015 at 3:11:05 PM
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I do believe Ibeatyouraces beat your everything on this one. Good job. Is there a prize?
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August 19th, 2015 at 3:26:02 PM
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Quote: TwoFeathersATLI do believe Ibeatyouraces beat your everything on this one.
Lol, the AP's shoot real blanks.
Quote: TwoFeathersATLIs there a prize?
Bob's duct tape from Walmart.
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August 19th, 2015 at 3:27:31 PM
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Quote: DocThe poll is specifically about "Las Vegas", isn't it?
OK, I must admit that Wynn did once own a casino in Las Vegas, though I don't think Adelson ever has. Unlike Stevens & Wynn, Mr. A spent his time way outside town in Paradise.
;-)
I knew some guy too smart for his own good would post this objection. Come on!!!
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August 19th, 2015 at 3:29:10 PM
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Quote: bigfoot66I knew some guy too smart for his own good would post this objection. Come on!!!
The casinos love the smart ones.
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August 19th, 2015 at 3:31:55 PM
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Quote: DoubleOrNothingThe casinos love the smart ones.
But they love the stupid ones 1000x better!
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August 19th, 2015 at 3:48:06 PM
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Quote: IbeatyouracesBut they love the stupid ones 1000x better!
This is exactly what they want the AP's to believe. The real AP's are the ones who set it all up, the AP's versus SP's.
I guess then really stupid would be to wise up? Go to Disneyland, get some decent memories and get it out of your system after one or two trips instead of never.
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August 19th, 2015 at 3:55:52 PM
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Quote: bigfoot66I knew some guy too smart for his own good would post this objection. Come on!!!
Gotta get my entertainment where I can find it! Note: the winking smiley was to indicate just how serious my objection was.
BTW, I'm headed out on a little trip starting tomorrow and plan to find some entertainment in one or two floating casinos.
August 19th, 2015 at 3:58:34 PM
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Quote: DoubleOrNothingThis is exactly what they want the AP's to believe. The real AP's are the ones who set it all up, the AP's versus SP's.
I guess then really stupid would be to wise up? Go to Disneyland, get some decent memories and get it out of your system after one or two trips instead of never.
I hate Disney and anything associated with it. BTW, Walt was a Nazi supporter.
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August 19th, 2015 at 4:07:12 PM
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Quote: IbeatyouracesWalt was a Nazi supporter.
And a deadbeat too, but at least some good came of it.
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August 19th, 2015 at 5:03:49 PM
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I read an interesting article in a May issue of "Las Vegas Weekly" about one of E. Parry Thomas' sons, Roger Thomas.
He's the right hand man of Steve Wynn when it comes to casino design and decoration: extremely talented.
He and Steve worked hand in hand on Steve's casinos.
A genuine friendship and symbiotic business arrangement exists between them, which completes the circle when one considers that Roger's dad was instrumental in giving Steve his big break into the world of Las Vegas casinos and their development.
He's the right hand man of Steve Wynn when it comes to casino design and decoration: extremely talented.
He and Steve worked hand in hand on Steve's casinos.
A genuine friendship and symbiotic business arrangement exists between them, which completes the circle when one considers that Roger's dad was instrumental in giving Steve his big break into the world of Las Vegas casinos and their development.
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August 19th, 2015 at 6:10:51 PM
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Good profile of Roger Thomas a few months back in The New Yorker, unfortunately by Jonah Lehrer.
August 19th, 2015 at 6:14:25 PM
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Not ahead necessarily. Just listing a few guys that I think should be poll choices.Quote: bigfoot66I'm a big fan of the D but come on, how can you list Stevens ahead of Wynn or Adelson?Quote: DJTeddyBearJay Sarno
Benny Binion
Derek Stevens
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http://www.DaveMillerGaming.com/ —————————————————————————————————————
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August 19th, 2015 at 7:36:57 PM
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I think Wynn deserves more credit than anybody for Vegas being what it is now. Not entirely a good thing, but when you add up Circus Circus, GN, Mirage, Wynn, each time he took a major step in marketing affordable/family trips, raising the level of service/expectation, raising the bar for entertainment and ambience, taking the long view over 40 years or so, and the rest have come along via competition. I've also noticed that none of the properties he started, then sold, improved after he left, and most didn't even hold the line. I still remember his full-page ads in the Sunday Parade magazines with what I thought were impossible pricing (low) in the early 80's. All IMO.
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August 19th, 2015 at 10:38:44 PM
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"Circus Circus?"
Uh, no.
That was Sarno, then Pennington and Bennett.
Wynn never owned it.
Uh, no.
That was Sarno, then Pennington and Bennett.
Wynn never owned it.
"What, me worry?"
August 19th, 2015 at 10:47:33 PM
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Quote: MrV"Circus Circus?"
Uh, no.
That was Sarno, then Pennington and Bennett.
Wynn never owned it.
Oops. Thanks for the correction.
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August 19th, 2015 at 10:51:03 PM
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Quote: MrV"Circus Circus?"
Uh, no.
That was Sarno, then Pennington and Bennett.
Wynn never owned it.
The book Super Casino is a wonderful book by Peter Earley. The whole Circus Circus story unfolds.
Now, why was the word "Circus" used in the name of the hotel/casino twice?
August 20th, 2015 at 7:03:22 AM
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Quote: GreasyjohnThe book Super Casino is a wonderful book by Peter Earley. The whole Corcus Circus story unfolds
+1
A very good read.
I also enjoyed (and still re-read on occasion) "The Green Felt Jungle" by Ed Reid and Ovid Demaris.
Yes, that's the same Ovid Demaris who penned "The Boardwalk Jungle," that fascinating work / expose' about how casinos came to Atlantic City.
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August 20th, 2015 at 9:26:17 AM
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Quote: MrV+1
A very good read.
I also enjoyed (and still re-read on occasion) "The Green Felt Jungle" by Ed Reid and Ovid Demaris.
Yes, that's the same Ovid Demaris who penned "The Boardwalk Jungle," that fascinating work / expose' about how casinos came to Atlantic City.
I have the book The Green Felt Jungle too. I think I found it at a library used book sale. Probably paid less than a dollar for it. I'll have to read The Boardwalk Jungle sometime. Demaris is a very good writer.
August 20th, 2015 at 9:41:45 AM
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President Hoover, and the people that approved building the Hoover dam. Vegas came about as the result of the builders of the dam.
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August 20th, 2015 at 6:00:46 PM
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Quote: discflickerPresident Hoover, and the people that approved building the Hoover dam. Vegas came about as the result of the builders of the dam.
Interesting, and DARE I say it, insightful.....
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