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June 26th, 2015 at 8:10:14 AM permalink
If a player hits a jackpot for say $1,500 and doesn't have their ID & are issued a claim ticket to come back within 90 days with their ID & soc security card to claim it and the casino snaps a picture of them to match up when the person returns to claim the jackpot, do they use facial recognition in any of the following scenarios to identify the player?

- after claim slip is issued & picture is taken of the player, does the casino then run that image thru facial recognition software to see if it matches up to anyone on their exclusion list? (i.e, self-exclusions, trespassed players, banned, 86'd, etc...)

- if they do, and they get a match, but the name given on the claim ticket doesn't match the name of the person they matched up thru facial recognition, would the jackpot winner be arrested if still in the casino or would they wait for them to come back & claim the jackpot?

- if they don't run the image taken of the winner at that time, do they run it when the player comes back in to claim the jackpot?

- if they do, and it's matched up to someone on their exclusion list but the name on the ID presented to the cashier when claiming the jackpot doesn't match the name of the person they matched the image to on the exclusion list, what will happen?

- when the player returns with their ID to claim their jackpot, is the photo on their ID and the photo taken of them at the time the claim ticket was issued run thru facial recognition software to see if the two photos match to ensure they are the same person? If they do, and the two photos don't match, what will happen?

- do identical twins have identical facial recognition profiles? (i.e, if one twin is 86'd and has their photo taken and their identical twin comes into the casino a couple weeks later and their face is scanned by facial recognition software, would it be matched up to their identical twins photo that was taken when they were 86'd? If so, would the innocent twin get arrested for trespassing?

-if the twin that was 86'd came back into the casino 15 yrs later and hit a jackpot but said they didn't have their ID (becuz if they were to give it to them the casino would find out they were 86'd and the player would forfeit the jackpot and be arrested for trespassing) and give their identical twins name instead, should the actual winner come back in to claim the jackpot with their twins ID or just send their twin in to claim it with their own ID?

- what if the twins appear to be identical by all outward appearances but in fact, there are subtle differences in their faces that only their parents (and the twins themselves) would recognize, could that affect the outcome on whether or not facial recognition would identify them as the same person or two different people?

- which act imposes harsher legal reprecussions if one of these persons were caught: a jackpot winner who was 86'd (15 yrs ago) who gave another persons name & soc sec # on their claim ticket and then having that person go in days later and claim it using their own ID & soc sec # or the winner going in themselves using the person's ID & soc sec # that they listed on the claim ticket?
So who would get in the worst trouble, the person who goes in to claim for the winner using valid credentials that match that listed on the claim ticket but are not the actual person who hit the jackpot or the person who actually hit the jackpot going in to claim it using the credentials of the person they listed on their claim ticket (with that persons knowledge & permission of course) or would the reprecussions be the same for both scenarios no matter which person gets caught?

- in all of the above scenarios, what are the odds of even being caught as long as the two look alike?

Thank you for your input. These two would rather not claim the jackpot at all if the potential for getting caught is highly likely or if the consequences would be detrimental to their freedom.

They appreciate your advice, and again, thank you :)
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June 26th, 2015 at 9:00:56 AM permalink
Too many what ifs.I think if they were going to check and see if you were on the exclusion list they would do it the day you hit the jackpot. As long as you have the claim slip and look like the person on the license i think you should be o.k,unless you are really well known there. Unless they are a really large casino i doubt they use FRS.

If you think there is going to be a problem send in the twin that has not been excluded have him loiter around the high limit pit and play a few hands and see what happens. If they confront him you will know that you are going to have a problem.
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June 27th, 2015 at 4:51:03 PM permalink
Ok thank you. the other twins name was given when the claim ticket was issued and they went back last night & successfully claimed the jackpot. Sorry fir all the what if's, i was just trying to cover all the possible scenarios. Lol. So only big casinos have facial recognition? What exactly, is meant by "big casinos" ? You mean size wise? Or ones with hotels? Or if its a big name, like Harrah's or something? Are casino's on indian reservations considered small time? How would one find out if a specific casino uses facial recognition? I was under the impression all casinos used it, so that is not the case? Thank you very much for answering my questions. I greatly appreciate it :)
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June 27th, 2015 at 5:05:49 PM permalink
Also, would hanging around the high limit pit be where facial recognition is utilized the most and not necessarily the slot machines? I thought they mightve had FRS installed in each individual machine and it scanned and ran your facial image while you are playing because a friend of mine told me that they were playing a slot machine and security came up to them and asked for their ID & they said they didn't have it on them & that it was out in their car & they'd be right back, they were gonna go get it, but they were aprehended by security when they tried to leave and the police were called and they were arrested for tresspassing because they had also been excluded, but it was a self exclusion (i guess it doesn't matter if you voluntarily exclude yourself, they still charge you with trespassing if you're caught) but they said when they went to court they tried to get out of it and said they were only in there looking for a friend who had called them for a ride, but when they got there, the friend wasn't out in front like they were supposed to be so they went in to find them and that's when they were spotted by security (this was before we all had cell phones) but the judge produced a print out of a picture of them AT the actual machine they were playing & they said you could clearly see that their arm was in such a position that indicated they were pulling the slot machine's handle! Lmfao! They said the image appeared to be taken from inside the slot machine itself. That doesn't necessarily mean FRS is installed on the machines themselves, but since security approached them while playing them machine along with the image that the judge produced, i was inclined to think that maybe it was.
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June 27th, 2015 at 8:56:00 PM permalink
My expectation is that they'll check the name and date of birth against the 86 list, but not FRS.

Expect that any presented ID will be scrutinized to confirm that it's not forged, possibly more than usual scrutiny due to the partial hit (guessing last name and DoB match).

Alternately, their "permanently excluded" timeframe may have already elapsed, and no problems will be encountered.
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June 28th, 2015 at 5:29:15 AM permalink
Facial recognition is a spotty tool, at best. Even if the facial recognition hit on someone else, which will happen a lot, the human has the last say. All you have to do is convince the human you are this person.
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June 28th, 2015 at 5:31:40 AM permalink
Quote: YouBet

Also, would hanging around the high limit pit be where facial recognition is utilized the most and not necessarily the slot machines? I thought they mightve had FRS installed in each individual machine and it scanned and ran your facial image while you are playing because a friend of mine told me that they were playing a slot machine and security came up to them and asked for their ID & they said they didn't have it on them & that it was out in their car & they'd be right back, they were gonna go get it, but they were aprehended by security when they tried to leave and the police were called and they were arrested for tresspassing because they had also been excluded, but it was a self exclusion (i guess it doesn't matter if you voluntarily exclude yourself, they still charge you with trespassing if you're caught) but they said when they went to court they tried to get out of it and said they were only in there looking for a friend who had called them for a ride, but when they got there, the friend wasn't out in front like they were supposed to be so they went in to find them and that's when they were spotted by security (this was before we all had cell phones) but the judge produced a print out of a picture of them AT the actual machine they were playing & they said you could clearly see that their arm was in such a position that indicated they were pulling the slot machine's handle! Lmfao! They said the image appeared to be taken from inside the slot machine itself. That doesn't necessarily mean FRS is installed on the machines themselves, but since security approached them while playing them machine along with the image that the judge produced, i was inclined to think that maybe it was.



There is no FRS in the machine. The FRS did not catch your friend. Someone happened to recognize him.
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