Driving with Money
November 30th, 2014 at 7:59:47 PM
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After having read the civil forfeiture thread, I'm worried about driving with large sums of cash. If the cash is placed in addressed envelopes, with stamps, will that help prevent them from opening the envelopes when searching the car?
Recently an AP friend was driving from Gulfport, MS region when he was pulled over by the police. When my friend asked why he was being pulled over, the officer said that it was for following too closely.
After asking for ID, the officer says, "I see you've made this trip four times in the last year. Why?"
My friend was shocked that they knew exactly how many times he'd been down there during the last year. Evidently they have scanners on the highway and track where and how often you drive down certain roads.
The officer then asks, "Are you carrying any large sums of cash?"
My friend said, "No."
The officer then asks, "Would you mind if I searched the car?"
My friend says, "Id rather you didn't."
The officer then asked again, if he could search the car, and this time my friends said, "No."
Next, the officer returned to his car for a bit, then returned, and let my friend go.
Any suggestions on how to travel with cash? (In some casinos, it helps to play in cash, rather than putting up cashier checks or wiring money. Especially when timing is important.)
Furthermore, what has happened to our civil rights?
-Keyser
Recently an AP friend was driving from Gulfport, MS region when he was pulled over by the police. When my friend asked why he was being pulled over, the officer said that it was for following too closely.
After asking for ID, the officer says, "I see you've made this trip four times in the last year. Why?"
My friend was shocked that they knew exactly how many times he'd been down there during the last year. Evidently they have scanners on the highway and track where and how often you drive down certain roads.
The officer then asks, "Are you carrying any large sums of cash?"
My friend said, "No."
The officer then asks, "Would you mind if I searched the car?"
My friend says, "Id rather you didn't."
The officer then asked again, if he could search the car, and this time my friends said, "No."
Next, the officer returned to his car for a bit, then returned, and let my friend go.
Any suggestions on how to travel with cash? (In some casinos, it helps to play in cash, rather than putting up cashier checks or wiring money. Especially when timing is important.)
Furthermore, what has happened to our civil rights?
-Keyser
November 30th, 2014 at 8:20:27 PM
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Civil rights are being eroded every day. Especially in the PC culture we now live in.
If they find $10k in cash in your car and they say, why are you carrying so much money, reply with "If you think that's a lot of money, they aren't paying you enough"
good information on traffic stop searches
If they find $10k in cash in your car and they say, why are you carrying so much money, reply with "If you think that's a lot of money, they aren't paying you enough"
good information on traffic stop searches
November 30th, 2014 at 8:20:32 PM
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Ok, I'll bite. Why do you think he asked about cash? I have seen cops ask if you have anything illegal or such but never about cash. There is nothing illegal about having large amounts of cash that you can justify. Cash is not illegal. If you just sold $100K worth of blow and have no reportable income you have some explaining to do. But for even the biggest pro gambler who keeps accurate records, you have nothing to fear. Sounds like someone had something else to be worried about because sorry, they don't track cars who pass by once every 3 months.
November 30th, 2014 at 8:24:13 PM
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Boz,
I keep very detailed records. But in the real world, they don't have to charge me with anything, and they can still keep the cash by simply claiming that the cash is involved in a crime. Then my chances of getting it back are very slim.
For more info see...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kEpZWGgJks
Now that an associate has experienced this first hand, I'm worried about driving with cash to the casino.
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Aceofspades,
Thanks for the link.
-Keyser
I keep very detailed records. But in the real world, they don't have to charge me with anything, and they can still keep the cash by simply claiming that the cash is involved in a crime. Then my chances of getting it back are very slim.
For more info see...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kEpZWGgJks
Now that an associate has experienced this first hand, I'm worried about driving with cash to the casino.
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Aceofspades,
Thanks for the link.
-Keyser
November 30th, 2014 at 8:35:54 PM
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Quote: KeyserBoz,
I keep very detailed records. But in the real world, they don't have to charge me with anything, and they can still keep the cash by simply claiming that the cash is involved in a crime. Then my chances of getting it back are very slim.
For more info see...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kEpZWGgJks
Now that an associate has experienced this first hand, I'm worried about driving with cash to the casino.
Sorry I disagree. You may have heard from someone who says this happened to them but I don't think they gave you the entire story. This is still America and they don't just keep your money if you can explain why you have it. I think you are worrying about something that rarely happens, but perhaps I am way off base. If so, I would like others to share their experiences.
November 30th, 2014 at 8:40:41 PM
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Boz,
Please take the time to watch the video. Then you'll understand. Bob Nercessian, an attorney, has warned some gamblers about this type of situation.
Yes, this is the US, but each year the liberals, and some conservatives, take away more of our civil rights.
This used to be America. Unfortunately we no longer have the freedom that we used to have.
Please take the time to watch the video. Then you'll understand. Bob Nercessian, an attorney, has warned some gamblers about this type of situation.
Yes, this is the US, but each year the liberals, and some conservatives, take away more of our civil rights.
This used to be America. Unfortunately we no longer have the freedom that we used to have.
November 30th, 2014 at 8:43:03 PM
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Quote: KeyserIf the cash is placed in addressed envelopes, with stamps, will that help prevent them from opening the envelopes when searching the car?
Any suggestions on how to travel with cash?
I am not a lawyer. (Talk to your lawyer.) I am not a banker. (Talk to your banker.)
I wouldn't count on sealed envelopes protecting anything.
Don't travel with more cash than you need to.
Travelers Cheques seem to still be a thing, aren't cash, and are available in $1000 denominations. They can be a hassle, but might be refunded if stolen. There are ways to purchase them without a fee.
Alternately, a high-daily limit ATM card (or 6) may work better. It might be helpful to get an account with a nationwide bank that is tolerant of large unscheduled cash withdrawals, so you can travel short distances with the cash, limiting your exposure.
May the cards fall in your favor.
November 30th, 2014 at 8:55:44 PM
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I was stopped in (Kansas?) about a year ago for "speeding". The car I was driving at the time was 100x nicer than any car within a hundred miles (I suspect that's why I got pulled over, but don't know for sure). After the usual BS " why did I get pulled over" blah blah blah, the cop was on a mission to find drugs in my car. I said no to a search. So they brought out a k9 dog unit and sniffed it. Of course it was a false hit or whatever it's called (when the policeman does something and the dog starts barking/scratching because of that...not because the dog smells any drugs). No drugs were found. Thankfully the only money I had was in my pocket which wasn't searched.
Pretty sure it's mostly just a southern thing. I don't plan on being in the South any time soon....at least without a gun I won't be.
Pretty sure it's mostly just a southern thing. I don't plan on being in the South any time soon....at least without a gun I won't be.
November 30th, 2014 at 9:07:55 PM
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You are unfortunately way off base.Quote: BozSorry I disagree. You may have heard from someone who says this happened to them but I don't think they gave you the entire story. This is still America and they don't just keep your money if you can explain why you have it. I think you are worrying about something that rarely happens, but perhaps I am way off base.
Seizure of rightfully owned cash and vehicles is a serious problem because it is a major source of funds for local departments. Explanations may be given on the spot but even if believed, the seizure will take place. You will need to pay legal fees to get anything back and your first "hearing" is NOT before a magistrate, its before the prosecutor.
Sure sometimes the magic word "casino" is similar to invoking the "chamber of commerce", no cop wants bad headlines for the businesses in town, but sometimes its "drug money" and the cop is salivating more than his dog is. An empty secret compartment in the car can get the vehicles seized as being modified for transporting contraband.
License plate scanners? They exist. Whether the cops in the Gulfport area use them or not I don't know.
Repo men now have scanners for parked cars as well as moving cars.
November 30th, 2014 at 9:25:45 PM
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I've been hearing a rising volume and frequency of people bringing this up in a variety of places. I use to think this concern was either a little nutty, or maybe a lot nutty, or just coming from people who were doing a not so clever back door broadcast of "hey everybody look at what a big baller I am." I'm still sure in a few cases that I know of that it is the last one of those, but the growing variety of sources of this concern and second hand reports of alleged problems has started to erode my skepticism. I am starting to wonder a little bit if I should take a few precautions, and what in the world they could possibly be.
I don't use cash to actually buy squat anymore, not even a donut, and I'm having a hard time trying to remember the last time I reached for a money clip instead of a card at any cash register. But. Actual folding pieces of green paper with ornate portraits on them are the only raw material accepted for some things I regularly do, I can't put "Aqueduct, sixth race, gimmie a four-seven-nine exacta box, ten times, please" on my American Express card, per gaming regs, my Individual Player Terminal advance deposit wagering accounts I use to do the same stuff have to be cashed out of weekly and then reactivated and re-funded with a fresh new balance when I return the next week, also per gaming regs, so I'm not a tourist checking into a resort on vacation with a hotel reservation, but I am actually commuting to and from town pretty often with currency that doesn't resemble anything like casual parking meter change. If someone's fevered imagination wanted to interpret it as a dope courier profile or somesuch, I suppose they probably could.
The purposefully marked envelope thing sounds interesting, in that it is something simple and easy and doesn't require becoming an obsessive kook about the end of days and fleets of black helicopters to do something like that. And I have absolutely no clue whether it would be likely to have any real practical benefit at all in keeping any uniformed official hands from messing with my casino money.
The part about "I know where and when you've been and how often" is just plain creepy and weird. I don't get that. Did this person also say he had the uniformed & armed public servant recite to him by the side of the road what he was wearing those days? Lemme guess: "Khakis. Jake was wearing wrinkled khakis. Four times. Negligent wardrobe offense."
I don't use cash to actually buy squat anymore, not even a donut, and I'm having a hard time trying to remember the last time I reached for a money clip instead of a card at any cash register. But. Actual folding pieces of green paper with ornate portraits on them are the only raw material accepted for some things I regularly do, I can't put "Aqueduct, sixth race, gimmie a four-seven-nine exacta box, ten times, please" on my American Express card, per gaming regs, my Individual Player Terminal advance deposit wagering accounts I use to do the same stuff have to be cashed out of weekly and then reactivated and re-funded with a fresh new balance when I return the next week, also per gaming regs, so I'm not a tourist checking into a resort on vacation with a hotel reservation, but I am actually commuting to and from town pretty often with currency that doesn't resemble anything like casual parking meter change. If someone's fevered imagination wanted to interpret it as a dope courier profile or somesuch, I suppose they probably could.
The purposefully marked envelope thing sounds interesting, in that it is something simple and easy and doesn't require becoming an obsessive kook about the end of days and fleets of black helicopters to do something like that. And I have absolutely no clue whether it would be likely to have any real practical benefit at all in keeping any uniformed official hands from messing with my casino money.
The part about "I know where and when you've been and how often" is just plain creepy and weird. I don't get that. Did this person also say he had the uniformed & armed public servant recite to him by the side of the road what he was wearing those days? Lemme guess: "Khakis. Jake was wearing wrinkled khakis. Four times. Negligent wardrobe offense."
Suck dope, watch TV, make up stuff, be somebody on the internet.
November 30th, 2014 at 9:38:58 PM
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Kansas isn't where it use to be?Quote: RSI was stopped in (Kansas?) about a year ago for
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Pretty sure it's mostly just a southern thing. I don't plan on being in the South any time soon....at least without a gun I won't be.
Suck dope, watch TV, make up stuff, be somebody on the internet.
November 30th, 2014 at 9:57:18 PM
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Just stumbled upon this. I found page 6 informative.
Obviously, local jurisdictions may have lower thresholds for seizure, but the "$5000" amount seems to be a recurring theme in the videos.
Also informative were the defined procedures for seizing travelers cheques.
TL;DR: Figure out a way to not carry cash.
Quote: p5/6These guidelines set minimum net equity levels that generally must be met before federal forfeiture actions are instituted.
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(3) Cash—minimum amount must be at least $5,000
Obviously, local jurisdictions may have lower thresholds for seizure, but the "$5000" amount seems to be a recurring theme in the videos.
Also informative were the defined procedures for seizing travelers cheques.
TL;DR: Figure out a way to not carry cash.
May the cards fall in your favor.
November 30th, 2014 at 10:07:03 PM
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The best thing I can think of is to deposit the money in a bank with a ton of branches (BOA, Chase, CITI) closest to the casino you AP'ed from. Of course this might be a problem if it's a tribal casino in the middle of nowhere.
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November 30th, 2014 at 10:13:36 PM
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Quote: FleaStiffYou are unfortunately way off base.
Seizure of rightfully owned cash and vehicles is a serious problem because it is a major source of funds for local departments. Explanations may be given on the spot but even if believed, the seizure will take place. You will need to pay legal fees to get anything back and your first "hearing" is NOT before a magistrate, its before the prosecutor.
Sure sometimes the magic word "casino" is similar to invoking the "chamber of commerce", no cop wants bad headlines for the businesses in town, but sometimes its "drug money" and the cop is salivating more than his dog is. An empty secret compartment in the car can get the vehicles seized as being modified for transporting contraband.
License plate scanners? They exist. Whether the cops in the Gulfport area use them or not I don't know.
Repo men now have scanners for parked cars as well as moving cars.
Ok, let's take it point by point.
Show me someone, anyone who has had their car taken for no valid reason. So you are telling me people are being pulled over for no reason and their cars are being taken?? Where is the Huffington Post on this? I must have missed it while they were defending everyone else in the world.
Next, who the hell has a "secret" compartment in his or her car? And again WHY are they searching your car. Again are you saying people are being pulled over for no reason and then the cops are looking for empty secret compartments? Like everyone else, I saw "Walking Tall", but Bufford is dead and the south isn't that bad anymore.
Casino? It's not a dirty word anymore and they are everywhere.
License plate scanners. Yea they are there for people who use the EZ pass lane without one. As for tracking, I must be Public Enemy Number 1 because I have traveled from PA to AC over 100 times this year. I guessing am lucky they don't have cops looking at people like me who spend hundreds a month on EZ pass, instead they are looking for people who travel an untracked road in MS every 3 months.
Why does any Repo man have any concerns with cars he doesn't have a claim on? Of course they have GPS on every car bought on a shitty credit plan. They can shut the at off if you don't pay when you buy at a high interest "buy here....pay here " location. Again are you saying Repo Men Are watching ME??
Maybe, just maybe people traveling with 20K in cash should have concerns, but you are overblowing it like they need to be prepared to be targeted and their money taken by rouge cops.
November 30th, 2014 at 10:19:37 PM
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Quote: djatcThe best thing I can think of is to deposit the money in a bank with a ton of branches
I don't recall which bank, but I do recall someone saying they had a problem making a large (>$500) cash withdrawal without an appointment.
Probably worth confirming that you can get your money out before you bother to put your money in.
May the cards fall in your favor.
November 30th, 2014 at 10:22:05 PM
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I think for large sums, you are supposed to (or should?) make an appointment saying you're gonna be pulling out a large amount on a certain date.
I don't think $500 is a "large sum" though.
I don't think $500 is a "large sum" though.
November 30th, 2014 at 10:23:49 PM
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Quote: BozWhy does any Repo man have any concerns with cars he doesn't have a claim on?
My understanding is that when they're not performing "asset recovery", they're investigating for possible future "asset recoveries", and that there's an information network many of them feed into.
Submitting asset location information to the network makes them money.
May the cards fall in your favor.
November 30th, 2014 at 10:26:17 PM
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I don't carry cash, for a variety of reasons, mostly because in 2014 I can use my debt card anywhere and faster than waiting for change, etc.... Also the security factor of having nothing to lose if I get mugged.
But one time I do carry cash is to (and less frequently from) the casino. I don't use casino ATMs on principle because of their outrageous fees. So I stop at a free atm on the way and carry with me.
Granted in no case would it be anywhere close to over 10k, so I doubt I would have to worry, though with some NJ police....
But Civil Forfeiture has been a controversial issue for a while. That John Oliver segment is really good, and he is not somebody I usually agree with. But libertarians have been talking about this for a while. I think The first learned of this from Ron Paul some years back, but it's good some of the mainstream media is starting to catch on.
I don't think it should be legal. The only way a cop should be able to seize private property is temperarily as evidence and return it after the trial. Even if money was acquired from selling drugs, the cops should not be able to seize cash, especially since the cash is seized on suspicion, even if a drug dealer gets arrested that does not mean his cash is from drugs. It's a dangerous road to go down when local police are encouraged to seize money for departmental use.
If you look across the country some departments take advantage of civil forfeiture far more than others. And since civil forfeiture requires almost no evidence, police don't even have to cook up a fancy story they can literally just say "suspicious money" and take it. Another great case for police Federlization...
But one time I do carry cash is to (and less frequently from) the casino. I don't use casino ATMs on principle because of their outrageous fees. So I stop at a free atm on the way and carry with me.
Granted in no case would it be anywhere close to over 10k, so I doubt I would have to worry, though with some NJ police....
But Civil Forfeiture has been a controversial issue for a while. That John Oliver segment is really good, and he is not somebody I usually agree with. But libertarians have been talking about this for a while. I think The first learned of this from Ron Paul some years back, but it's good some of the mainstream media is starting to catch on.
I don't think it should be legal. The only way a cop should be able to seize private property is temperarily as evidence and return it after the trial. Even if money was acquired from selling drugs, the cops should not be able to seize cash, especially since the cash is seized on suspicion, even if a drug dealer gets arrested that does not mean his cash is from drugs. It's a dangerous road to go down when local police are encouraged to seize money for departmental use.
If you look across the country some departments take advantage of civil forfeiture far more than others. And since civil forfeiture requires almost no evidence, police don't even have to cook up a fancy story they can literally just say "suspicious money" and take it. Another great case for police Federlization...
November 30th, 2014 at 10:27:38 PM
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Quote: RSI think for large sums, you are supposed to (or should?) make an appointment saying you're gonna be pulling out a large amount on a certain date.
I don't think $500 is a "large sum" though.
Exactly my bank allows me to make $1200 ATM withdrawals, also I've pulled $8,000 or so at a branch (in a grocery store lol) without prior notice, but then again I am in Las Vegas.
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November 30th, 2014 at 10:29:12 PM
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You can get your ATM withdrawal limit raised to a very high limit by simply contacting your bank. However some ATMs have their own built in limits.
November 30th, 2014 at 11:48:12 PM
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For those who don't know about civil forfeiture here's a funny explanation.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/06/john-oliver-civil-forfeiture_n_5938686.html
Search civil forfeiture on YouTube or bing videos and you can find dash cam footage.
http://wn.com/civil_forfeiture_highway_shakedowns_in_tennessee
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/06/john-oliver-civil-forfeiture_n_5938686.html
Search civil forfeiture on YouTube or bing videos and you can find dash cam footage.
http://wn.com/civil_forfeiture_highway_shakedowns_in_tennessee
December 1st, 2014 at 12:09:41 AM
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First off there's at least one good thread about this, even with links to some good Videos. Why a new thread when there's a perfectly good one?
One shows video or audio of 2 poker players driving to vegas for the WSOP.
I didn't see any legitimate reason for the search.
BOZ do some research please, It's scary. A guy who wins the lottery should be sufficient reason right? Apparently not
I can't find the video but here is the story and transcripts of 2 poker players .. read ... thisxhttp://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news/17922-lawyer-for-poker-players-who-had-100k-stolen-by-iowa-police-officers-talks-about-case
Tonight with John Oliver: Civil Forfeiture (HBO)
http://zeeklytv.com/video/2813/Last-Week-Tonight-with-John-Oliver-Civil-Forfeiture-HBO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TU_nh51FU14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2iJ7UBODw8
For the people saying travel with travelers checks, that's all well and fine if you have time to plan.
As Djatc pointed out, what if you travel to a obscure place?
Even with your travelers checks that doesn't solve everything, what if you get lucky and win 30k at 3am on saturday in a small obscure place and you want to drive home?
One shows video or audio of 2 poker players driving to vegas for the WSOP.
I didn't see any legitimate reason for the search.
BOZ do some research please, It's scary. A guy who wins the lottery should be sufficient reason right? Apparently not
I can't find the video but here is the story and transcripts of 2 poker players .. read ... thisxhttp://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news/17922-lawyer-for-poker-players-who-had-100k-stolen-by-iowa-police-officers-talks-about-case
Tonight with John Oliver: Civil Forfeiture (HBO)
http://zeeklytv.com/video/2813/Last-Week-Tonight-with-John-Oliver-Civil-Forfeiture-HBO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TU_nh51FU14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2iJ7UBODw8
For the people saying travel with travelers checks, that's all well and fine if you have time to plan.
As Djatc pointed out, what if you travel to a obscure place?
Even with your travelers checks that doesn't solve everything, what if you get lucky and win 30k at 3am on saturday in a small obscure place and you want to drive home?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
December 1st, 2014 at 12:39:13 AM
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Quote: AxelWolfEven with your travelers checks that doesn't solve everything, what if you get lucky and win 30k at 3am on saturday in a small obscure place and you want to drive home?
It's just another tool at your disposal that you may find helpful. That's all.
As for cashing out, would the cage be unable to cut you a check?
May the cards fall in your favor.
December 1st, 2014 at 1:14:11 AM
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Do people see any particular advantages or disadvantages to having your regular wagering bankroll or designated 'working capital' in the form of chips vs. folding green stuff? Maybe it is a silly question, I'm not sure, but chips happen to be the one other thing they can take at the desk of the parts of the casino I'm usually there for. Seems they pretty much advertise themselves where they're from and what they're at least ostensibly for, right there on this one in front of me, between the dollar denomination and the artsy rendering of brightly colored palm trees where it says "The Mirage" rather than "kilo of cocaine & sack of bomb triggers." Yeah, I know, someone could theoretically do a deal to trade anything for anything of their mutual choice, but still. Ya wanna know where are these clay disk things from in my bag that say "Wynn Las Vegas" or "Caesars Palace" on them? Duh.
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December 1st, 2014 at 1:20:56 AM
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probably not at 3am. Even then I don't trust a check from a indian casino. They might be indian givers.Quote: DieterIt's just another tool at your disposal that you may find helpful. That's all.
As for cashing out, would the cage be unable to cut you a check?
You might need that cash for another play.
If you play often do you know how much of a pain in the ass that would be?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
December 1st, 2014 at 1:26:25 AM
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Assuming your money is in a stamped envelope would that be a federal crime for a state or local police to tamper with it?
Toss a mail box in the trunk (;
Toss a mail box in the trunk (;
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
December 1st, 2014 at 1:30:24 AM
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I would prefer chips if I primarily played table games (at that specific casino) and if my BR was large enough for that. Having $5,000 in Wynn chips is not helpful if you're trying to play VP at Mandalay Bay. They might be useful at MB if you're trying to play a table game....or maybe they aren't. Depends if they let you cash them (duh). If you're wonging into shoes, very good to have chips. If you don't want to continuously be buying-in when you're "chasing", good to have chips. If you're going to all-play in BJ or some other game, eh, doesn't really matter IMO.
It really depends on your situation, what you play and how you play.
If you're talking about traveling with money / safety, I'd think you're much safer with chips than actual cash.
It really depends on your situation, what you play and how you play.
If you're talking about traveling with money / safety, I'd think you're much safer with chips than actual cash.
December 1st, 2014 at 1:33:44 AM
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Quote: AxelWolfAssuming your money is in a stamped envelope would that be a federal crime for a state or local police to tamper with it?
I believe it's a federal crime to send cash through the USPS (United States Postal Service). Then again, how would they find out if there's cash in the envelope if they're not allowed in it?
What about having your lawyer (or CPA?) write some sort of letter showing that you are a big gambler and tend to have large quantities of money on you....like "proof" that it's gambling money..in a way?
December 1st, 2014 at 1:36:04 AM
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possibly however they can take anything of value. There is a list of items(easy to sell) like TV's they should target.Quote: RSI would prefer chips if I primarily played table games (at that specific casino) and if my BR was large enough for that. Having $5,000 in Wynn chips is not helpful if you're trying to play VP at Mandalay Bay. They might be useful at MB if you're trying to play a table game....or maybe they aren't. Depends if they let you cash them (duh). If you're wonging into shoes, very good to have chips. If you don't want to continuously be buying-in when you're "chasing", good to have chips. If you're going to all-play in BJ or some other game, eh, doesn't really matter IMO.
It really depends on your situation, what you play and how you play.
If you're talking about traveling with money / safety, I'd think you're much safer with chips than actual cash.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
December 1st, 2014 at 1:38:34 AM
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I wouldn't want to try to answer that, but if one is prepared to pay for her/his services I imagine an attorney could make hay with ripping open your mail. After the Supreme Court recently made this not too wordy or hard to interpret pronouncement on the circumstances of when it is okay to go poking at the information people carry around in their cell phones:Quote: AxelWolfAssuming your money is in a stamped envelope would that be a federal crime for a state or local police to tamper with it?
Quote: United States Supreme CourtGet a warrant.
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December 1st, 2014 at 1:54:13 AM
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Quote: AxelWolfAssuming your money is in a stamped envelope would that be a federal crime for a state or local police to tamper with it?
I am not a lawyer. (Consult your lawyer.)
That said, I think that you might have a chance if it's cancelled - that is, mailed. I don't think you get any special protections by slapping a stamp on an envelope addressed to yourself.
USPIS can do asset forfeiture too, however, and are already on the lookout for money laundering. (Mailing any significant amount of money might show up on their radar.)
Mailing large amounts of cash is already generally regarded as a dumb idea. (It could get stolen, lost, delayed or damaged by automated handling equipment. For "legitimate" transactions, there are "better" ways of moving money.)
IF I was going to try and use mail protections, I'd get a post office box at the nearest post office that actually sorts mail, and mail the letter from that post office. This should minimize the handling, and the chance for loss.
In case you're not aware, there are special restrictions on stamped mail over 13 ounces. It either has to be handed to a postal clerk or mailed from an APC kiosk. (This likely starts to come into play at around $28k in $100's per parcel, once you add in the weight of the envelope and other protective packaging.)
May the cards fall in your favor.
December 1st, 2014 at 2:14:14 AM
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Quote: RSI believe it's a federal crime to send cash through the USPS (United States Postal Service). Then again, how would they find out if there's cash in the envelope if they're not allowed in it?
I don't believe it's a crime to send cash through the USPS. (Their FAQ - search for "what is covered by domestic insurance" - says you can insure registered mail of cash up to face value, limit $25,000.)
I'm pretty sure that US currency is of a distinctive size and shape, and they can X-Ray letters and parcels without opening them, probably looking for that distinctive shape of a brick of notes. Also, if you're insuring it, you probably have to say what's inside. (Insurance, btw, is at 90c/$100 of value.)
May the cards fall in your favor.
December 1st, 2014 at 2:22:59 AM
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Yes, I was thinking about chips vs. cash in the necessary driving to and from often with the designated casino bankroll. I'm in the habit of being fanatical about keeping casino related bankroll totally religiously separate both in an accounting sense and physically for many other reasons unrelated to this thread topic, and for me it happens that both the casino books and the poker rooms do routinely treat their casino's chips as cash whether for buy-ins or making an individual wager at a window or funding your advance deposit wagering account, so no added 'friction' would be added to the transaction there.Quote: RSI would prefer chips if I primarily played table games (at that specific casino) and if my BR was large enough for that. Having $5,000 in Wynn chips is not helpful if you're trying to play VP at Mandalay Bay. They might be useful at MB if you're trying to play a table game....or maybe they aren't. Depends if they let you cash them (duh). If you're wonging into shoes, very good to have chips. If you don't want to continuously be buying-in when you're "chasing", good to have chips. If you're going to all-play in BJ or some other game, eh, doesn't really matter IMO.
It really depends on your situation, what you play and how you play.
If you're talking about traveling with money / safety, I'd think you're much safer with chips than actual cash.
I definitely can see where chips and something like the VP bill acceptor slots wouldn't be so friction-free for others. On the slot floor I'm an oaf who is befuddled for a minute yet again by the little task of even finding where to stick the card vs. the paper on those occasions when they give me some kind of thing I have to run through a machine to launder into spendable money. Ooops, I said launder, I meant "play" so please don't seize my freeplay coupon; they have expiration dates. See there, now I'm becoming one of those, and soon I may start to hear a strange rustling noise out there amidst my cactus. So here's an ignorant little question: When you hit "cash-out" and it spits out your voucher from whatever credits you had in there, if you don't choose to go feed it to the thing that turns it into currency, does that voucher expire at some point?
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December 1st, 2014 at 2:32:39 AM
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Quote: DrawingDeadWhen you hit "cash-out" and it spits out your voucher from whatever credits you had in there, if you don't choose to go feed it to the thing that turns it into currency, does that voucher expire at some point?
The ones I see around here all say that they expire after 30 days. I believe that; I've kept a few low-value vouchers as a test. They worked on day 29; they didn't on day 31.
If they expire, expect that the expiration period is clearly marked. Expect the expiration to be based on the time/date of issuance (also clearly marked).
May the cards fall in your favor.
December 1st, 2014 at 2:47:12 AM
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Thanks for the reply. For just a moment I had a fleeting thought about whether those could be treated as handy alternatives as a store of value for one's designated casino money. Buh-bye to that moment. Of course some kind of dating would seem to be natural, since the business doesn't want to carry it on their books floating out there indefinitely with a probability but not certainty that it will eventually be presented for payment at some indeterminate date.
EDIT to add: I just looked at one of my tickets from a casino's book. Not a slot or VP ticket. I'm quite familiar with the expiration dates of wager tickets there in the book, which are the typical 120 days from "event" date (rather than related to date of purchase), but I just now paid a moment of attention to this additional language following wager expiration terms that states: "Cash vouchers are valid for sixty days from date of issuance." I tend to suspect that cash voucher expiration terms may be consistent among different parts of the casino, unlike some other separate things that are necessarily unique to the operation of race & sports books. So there, that's probably that, I said to myself.
EDIT to add: I just looked at one of my tickets from a casino's book. Not a slot or VP ticket. I'm quite familiar with the expiration dates of wager tickets there in the book, which are the typical 120 days from "event" date (rather than related to date of purchase), but I just now paid a moment of attention to this additional language following wager expiration terms that states: "Cash vouchers are valid for sixty days from date of issuance." I tend to suspect that cash voucher expiration terms may be consistent among different parts of the casino, unlike some other separate things that are necessarily unique to the operation of race & sports books. So there, that's probably that, I said to myself.
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December 1st, 2014 at 3:53:30 AM
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TITO (Ticket In Ticket Out) vouchers do expire. I've never seen one (or at least noticed) one that didn't have an expiration. They tend to say something like "Issued: MM/DD/YYYY HH/MM/SS. Expires in XXX Days". In Vegas, I've noticed most are 180 days.
I did have a voucher from the Tropicana for like $30 or $40 bucks and it was about to expire but I couldn't get it cashed before then. I called them and asked if they would still honor the voucher, even though expired, and they said they would. I believe there were some limitations on it, though, like the value of the ticket as well as how many days expired it was. But, I wouldn't plan on the casino honoring an expired ticket.
I did have a voucher from the Tropicana for like $30 or $40 bucks and it was about to expire but I couldn't get it cashed before then. I called them and asked if they would still honor the voucher, even though expired, and they said they would. I believe there were some limitations on it, though, like the value of the ticket as well as how many days expired it was. But, I wouldn't plan on the casino honoring an expired ticket.
December 1st, 2014 at 4:03:05 AM
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>Ok, let's take it point by point.
Sure but remember my moniker is FleaStiff so I'm not ever transporting the large sums you guys are. And while I have a Persona on this forum, I do not really work as a porn slapper or as a panhandler, nor do I actually buy into a craps game for twenty dollars. I do not eat at a homeless shelter and I do not actually live in a cardboard box that magically has an internet connection.
Show me someone, anyone who has had their car taken for no valid reason. So you are telling me people are being pulled over for no reason and their cars are being taken?? Where is the Huffington Post on this? I must have missed it while they were defending everyone else in the world.
....So look up the old Datelines 48Hours 60Minutes etc. that have done stories on some "drug roads" having so many pretextual stops motorists are avoiding them. If the stop doesn't yield drugs, the cops use intimidation for a consent to search. Out of state plates and high value vehicles are targeted.
>Next, who the hell has a "secret" compartment in his or her car?
A woman who bought it at auction and foolishly consented to a search at a road side stop.
>Casino? It's not a dirty word anymore and they are everywhere.
I'm sure the Tribal Police won't take your money, but hop onto the interstate and see what happens.
>Why does any Repo man have any concerns with cars he doesn't have a claim on?
The equipment scans EVERYONE and beeps if he gets a hit, then they dispatch a tow truck.
> Of course they have GPS on every car bought on a shitty credit plan.
IF Honest John pays for it.
>Maybe, just maybe people traveling with 20K in cash should have concerns, ...
The cops won't find that 20K until they make a stop based on a profile or make a stop for some other reason and get lucky. Its always a financial gain for the department to seize anything.
Sure but remember my moniker is FleaStiff so I'm not ever transporting the large sums you guys are. And while I have a Persona on this forum, I do not really work as a porn slapper or as a panhandler, nor do I actually buy into a craps game for twenty dollars. I do not eat at a homeless shelter and I do not actually live in a cardboard box that magically has an internet connection.
Show me someone, anyone who has had their car taken for no valid reason. So you are telling me people are being pulled over for no reason and their cars are being taken?? Where is the Huffington Post on this? I must have missed it while they were defending everyone else in the world.
....So look up the old Datelines 48Hours 60Minutes etc. that have done stories on some "drug roads" having so many pretextual stops motorists are avoiding them. If the stop doesn't yield drugs, the cops use intimidation for a consent to search. Out of state plates and high value vehicles are targeted.
>Next, who the hell has a "secret" compartment in his or her car?
A woman who bought it at auction and foolishly consented to a search at a road side stop.
>Casino? It's not a dirty word anymore and they are everywhere.
I'm sure the Tribal Police won't take your money, but hop onto the interstate and see what happens.
>Why does any Repo man have any concerns with cars he doesn't have a claim on?
The equipment scans EVERYONE and beeps if he gets a hit, then they dispatch a tow truck.
> Of course they have GPS on every car bought on a shitty credit plan.
IF Honest John pays for it.
>Maybe, just maybe people traveling with 20K in cash should have concerns, ...
The cops won't find that 20K until they make a stop based on a profile or make a stop for some other reason and get lucky. Its always a financial gain for the department to seize anything.
December 1st, 2014 at 4:39:40 AM
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Quote: BozSorry I disagree. You may have heard from someone who says this happened to them but I don't think they gave you the entire story. This is still America and they don't just keep your money if you can explain why you have it. I think you are worrying about something that rarely happens, but perhaps I am way off base.
You are "way off base". You must have believed the "if you like your doctor you can keep him" line too.
December 1st, 2014 at 4:42:03 AM
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Quote: RSI was stopped in (Kansas?) about a year ago for "speeding". The car I was driving at the time was 100x nicer than any car within a hundred miles (I suspect that's why I got pulled over, but don't know for sure). After the usual BS " why did I get pulled over" blah blah blah, the cop was on a mission to find drugs in my car. I said no to a search. So they brought out a k9 dog unit and sniffed it. Of course it was a false hit or whatever it's called (when the policeman does something and the dog starts barking/scratching because of that...not because the dog smells any drugs). No drugs were found. Thankfully the only money I had was in my pocket which wasn't searched.
Pretty sure it's mostly just a southern thing. I don't plan on being in the South any time soon....at least without a gun I won't be.
When did Kansas become "The South".
December 1st, 2014 at 8:49:26 AM
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Quote: bobsimsWhen did Kansas become "The South".
Kansas is about as South as you can get without being in the South. Came close to bieng a southern state before the Civil War.
After reading this thread I'm probably going to keep my money concealed in my car when I travel (and only keep a few bills in my wallet). Of course, I don't look or act anything like a drug dealer or criminal. No tats either. No 25" rims. No bling. I blend in like a chameleon. (Same thing at the BJ tables.)
December 1st, 2014 at 9:05:58 AM
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Quote: BozSorry I disagree. You may have heard from someone who says this happened to them but I don't think they gave you the entire story. This is still America and they don't just keep your money if you can explain why you have it. I think you are worrying about something that rarely happens, but perhaps I am way off base. If so, I would like others to share their experiences.
Nobody should have to explain why they have cash with them. Until changed, we are forced to use a fiat currency forced upon us by the Fed (which is not even part of the Federal government)
December 1st, 2014 at 9:06:54 AM
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December 1st, 2014 at 9:23:50 AM
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For people skeptical that this only happens to people who aren't on the up and up, read what happened to poker player Viffer in 2009 at a freaking Airport.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/19/high-stakes-pl-nl/warning-high-stakes-travelers-398198/
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/19/high-stakes-pl-nl/warning-high-stakes-travelers-398198/
December 1st, 2014 at 2:41:14 PM
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Quote: aceofspadesNobody should have to explain why they have cash with them.
Philosophically, I agree.
Pragmatically, try not to carry cash, just in case.
May the cards fall in your favor.
December 2nd, 2014 at 12:46:13 AM
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I still like rolling $5K in hundreds and putting
them in a prescription bottle. They fit perfectly.
Mix it in with your other script bottles and they
never see it. It sounds impossible, but others
on here have proved it. You can fit $5K into
this container:
them in a prescription bottle. They fit perfectly.
Mix it in with your other script bottles and they
never see it. It sounds impossible, but others
on here have proved it. You can fit $5K into
this container:
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
December 2nd, 2014 at 4:10:03 AM
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Dogs may be trained to "hit" on money. Slim Shady's pills won't fool them.
Many people, especially ignorant people, want to punish you for speaking the truth. - Mahatma Ghandi
December 2nd, 2014 at 5:23:26 AM
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I can probably fit 7k in pill bottle with brand spanking new bills. However that's not a good Idea for many reasons. PRESCRIPTION PILLS ARE A BIG TARGET. I posted multiple links supporting why this is a bad idea. Show me anything legitimate other than your opinion supporting your opinion.
Even cops know to verify and check prescription bottles.
Warning:
Even if you have an extra 5k, didn't try this at home kids.
Even cops know to verify and check prescription bottles.
Warning:
Even if you have an extra 5k, didn't try this at home kids.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
December 2nd, 2014 at 9:58:00 AM
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Quote: AxelWolfHowever that's not a good Idea for many reasons. PRESCRIPTION PILLS ARE A BIG TARGET.
Exactly!! I would never consider putting valuables in a pill bottle. Both cops and other thieves love to look at pill bottles.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
December 2nd, 2014 at 10:03:15 AM
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"Do you have a prescription for that 5k Sir?"Quote: DRichExactly!! I would never consider putting valuables in a pill bottle. Both cops and other thieves love to look at pill bottles.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
December 2nd, 2014 at 10:16:34 AM
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If you're ever pulled over while carrying alot of cash, I would think that having your destination being a gambling resort, where you have a reservation, would be pretty good evidence as to what the cash was for.
It didn't work for that poker player in the article, but you laugh in the face of authority and come off with an attitude, and guess what?
It didn't work for that poker player in the article, but you laugh in the face of authority and come off with an attitude, and guess what?
