Hot machines??

I spend much less time on machine play than I used to just a couple years ago, as I have a partner that now handles that aspect, but occasionally, like this morning, I played through some free play. Now it is total" voodoo", but in addition to looking for the best pay tables available, I try to stay away from a machine that has a recent big cash out on it, figuring someone just hit something big and we all know that won't happen again in close order (sarcasm). Now my partner does just the opposite, looking for a machine that does have a big recent cash out, thinking the machine is 'hot'.

We both know that our two different approaches are total nonsense and makes no difference on what the machine is likely to do in the future, but just stuck with a little voodoo-ism in our systems, I guess. Does anyone else do this?

Quote: kewlj

I spend much less time on machine play than I used to just a couple years ago, as I have a partner that now handles that aspect, but occasionally, like this morning, I played through some free play. Now it is total" voodoo", but in addition to looking for the best pay tables available, I try to stay away from a machine that has a recent big cash out on it, figuring someone just hit something big and we all know that won't happen again in close order (sarcasm). Now my partner does just the opposite, looking for a machine that does have a big recent cash out, thinking the machine is 'hot'.

We both know that our two different approaches are total nonsense and makes no difference on what the machine is likely to do in the future, but just stuck with a little voodoo-ism in our systems, I guess. Does anyone else do this?

I won't play a machine that is "hot".

Speaking of some FREE PLAY

I have some that I will not be able to use

you know the routine

Quote: coilman

Speaking of some FREE PLAY

I have some that I will not be able to use

you know the routine

Just a thought on this, coilman. If you let other's play your freeplay, as I know you like to do, doesn't the fact that the person will only be playing through the free play actually hurt you because it will bring down your average for future offers. Wouldn't you be better off just to eat the free play and your average play will remain high for future offers?

To the OP;

I like a machine that's been paying for someone else; in my experience, the machine usually isn't done. No scientific basis for this, but it works for me.

I like a machine that the buttons all work and push easily:-)

On VP(slots may be a different story) it should be completely random therefore complete nonsense. When choosing a machine from a group of same pay tables the fastest should be your goal or something closer to the bathroom, exit, cash machine, end machines for more room, clean non sticky buttons, clear screen, view. Other then that i just plop down at the first one available.

I know a ton of machine pros who do in fact believe in some of that voodoo and will switch machines if possible, if one is running good or bad. I had a guy that would often play for me who would do this machine switching occasionally(not when playing for me). I brought it up to him and asked why he did that. He simply replied, It cant hurt, other then losing a few hands per hrs. He said, If you don't like how something is going, change it, or it will remain the same. This guys drop was always seemed to be better when he did this.

A few months ago me and my GF put quite a few hrs in on some older coin droppers, 2 side by side machines we often switched machines throughout the day for one reason or the other. Strangely enough the one machine would have a significant worst drop day after day no matter who was playing it(spooky). I asked others who played the same 2 as well, overwhelmingly everyone had the same results. During theses conversations, I learned just how quite a few machine pros actually think. I would constantly hear things like, its on a bad drop cycle.

I know a few guys, who are very intelligent, who when they were "DUE" for a Royal from playing lower denominations, they would move up denominations.They wouldn't do this if they had a good play going. It would usually be after a few a long plays with bad results. Wouldn't you know it, it worked very well for them creating 200k-300k bankrolls in a very short period of time in the 90s, they are now very, very successful.

Other then my first paragraph, I don't advocate any of this.

Quote: kewlj

I spend much less time on machine play than I used to just a couple years ago, as I have a partner that now handles that aspect, but occasionally, like this morning, I played through some free play. Now it is total" voodoo", but in addition to looking for the best pay tables available, I try to stay away from a machine that has a recent big cash out on it, figuring someone just hit something big and we all know that won't happen again in close order (sarcasm). Now my partner does just the opposite, looking for a machine that does have a big recent cash out, thinking the machine is 'hot'.

We both know that our two different approaches are total nonsense and makes no difference on what the machine is likely to do in the future, but just stuck with a little voodoo-ism in our systems, I guess. Does anyone else do this?

That is pretty funny. Once, I was reading an article by Bob Dancer, and he mentioned that he liked to feed $100s into the machine beside him while we was playing, so he could cash out $1000 tickets, so he could buy into his current game with less delay (I have no idea how he could possibly do this without slowing down his main game, but, whatever). So, he was not playing the other machine, just feeding in $100s and cashing out.

People would not play the machine beside him because they saw that it had just paid out $1000, so they figured it wasn't likely to hit again any time soon.

Quote: AxiomOfChoice

That is pretty funny. Once, I was reading an article by Bob Dancer, and he mentioned that he liked to feed $100s into the machine beside him while we was playing, so he could cash out $1000 tickets, so he could buy into his current game with less delay (I have no idea how he could possibly do this without slowing down his main game, but, whatever). So, he was not playing the other machine, just feeding in $100s and cashing out.

People would not play the machine beside him because they saw that it had just paid out $1000, so they figured it wasn't likely to hit again any time soon.

I know this. He is feeding the two machines at the same time. Because a machine usually takes quite a few seconds to register the money,
you have plenty of time to feed the next machine.

I'm not susceptible to the myths about the machines. I just play the odds and assume that no machine is hot, no machine is cold, and no machine is due to hit. I've had stranger AP's try to scare me off machines with lines like "a lady just hit that machine for $10,000." I just joke them back with a line like "wow! This machine is hot! I'm gonna keep playing it!"

Quote: beachbumbabs

I like a machine that's been paying for someone else; in my experience, the machine usually isn't done. No scientific basis for this, but it works for me.

I don't play slots often but I once found a very cold machine that did not award me even one measly credit, not one. So I moved to a nearby machine but when I happened to notice someone sitting down at that machine, I told them that although they were perfectly welcome to play it, that machine had just taken my entire deposit and not ever returned anything. After a few "pulls on the handle" they cashed out and switched to a different machine too. I doubt any of this was scientifically valid or constituted an adequate sampling of the machines responses, but we often let emotions override cold facts.

Since it doesn't matter, do what makes you feel good. Myself, if I'm sitting down to a WoF machine I'll avoid any one where the red and white space was the last one hit.

HOWEVER. I was sitting next to a woman who had a hand pay at one, something like 7-2x-2x on a $5 WoF, $1600. She was going to cash out what she had left, maybe 12 credits, but the attendant encouraged her to spin again, and she hit 2x-2x-2x. $10000. That was about 8 years ago I think the Tropicana in AC. Might have been Caesar's or Resorts though.

I move around a bit if I'm not hitting natural 4oak on bonus games.

I don't think I have even ever taken hot/cold/neutral machines or what their payout was or any of that into consideration. The closest thing to that was when I sat at a $2 machine, the guy next to me was rambling on how "it took all mah money" and "that machine is cold don't play it". After watching a few of his playing decisions, it had nothing to do with the machine, but with the player. I mean I saw the guy hold 2 to a RF but not the TEN for 3 to a RF. Anyway, I was up about $2,500 in like 2 hours.

Quote: AxelWolf

A few months ago me and my GF put quite a few hrs in on some older coin droppers, 2 side by side machines we often switched machines throughout the day for one reason or the other. Strangely enough the one machine would have a significant worst drop day after day no matter who was playing it(spooky). I asked others who played the same 2 as well, overwhelmingly everyone had the same results. During theses conversations, I learned just how quite a few machine pros actually think. I would constantly hear things like, its on a bad drop cycle.

I don't believe in the bad drop cycle but you used to be able to get a feel for the pay percentage on the old coin droppers. The paybacks were fixed on them when they were manufactured and they stayed the same for years if not their total life span. After a while the players would be able to notice the difference in the payback of seemingly identical machines and follow these winners around. The casino would move the machines around every few years. You would write down the number of the winning machines so you could find them after the move.

This could well be what you were experiencing. The one machine that was paying had a significantly better pay back percentage. If it was an old coin dropper it could have a payback percentage in the high 90's.

If all of the paytables are the same, then I just glance around for a flashing, "Cash Out," button and select the machine with the credits left behind. That's good for a buck or more every now and then on the machines with Video Keno with a $2.50 Max Bet and VP on the same machine, tons of people playing Max and just get up and walk away when they are not able to make the next Max bet.

Aside from that, whichever machine has an ashtray located near it.

Yup, $1.25 + left behind, free hand, right there.

Quote: Mission146

If all of the paytables are the same, then I just glance around for a flashing, "Cash Out," button and select the machine with the credits left behind. That's good for a buck or more every now and then on the machines with Video Keno with a $2.50 Max Bet and VP on the same machine, tons of people playing Max and just get up and walk away when they are not able to make the next Max bet.

Aside from that, whichever machine has an ashtray located near it.

Yup, $1.25 + left behind, free hand, right there.

Just because the paytables are the same doesnt mean the payback percentage is the same. The frequency of the symbols on the virtual relays does not have to be the set the same.

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I worked at Eureka casino. Had a bank of dollar slots. All were set for 96.8 payback. After 3 months all were close except the end one. It was paying 106.8. Max hit was only 300-1. Shit happens Some bad, some good.

Quote: kenarman

Just because the paytables are the same doesnt mean the payback percentage is the same. The frequency of the symbols on the virtual relays does not have to be the set the same.

What do you mean? It's Video Poker, of course they're the same.

Quote: kenarman

I don't believe in the bad drop cycle but you used to be able to get a feel for the pay percentage on the old coin droppers. The paybacks were fixed on them when they were manufactured and they stayed the same for years if not their total life span. After a while the players would be able to notice the difference in the payback of seemingly identical machines and follow these winners around. The casino would move the machines around every few years. You would write down the number of the winning machines so you could find them after the move.

This could well be what you were experiencing. The one machine that was paying had a significantly better pay back percentage. If it was an old coin dropper it could have a payback percentage in the high 90's.

I don't know about any of that. But it does not sound good, I try to avoid playing anything in the 90% range, unless I have a promotion or something to go along with it.

If you are somehow indicating that you have an advantage by doing such a thing, there are still casinos with old coin droppers, YOU can make a fortune.

I get you the information including what ones the locals and change people think are the good ones, just cut me in on the win and non of the loss.


Edit: Now thinking about this. OF COURSE they would pay back in the high 90s, most VP machines back then the pay scales were 8/5 -9/6. they should be in the high 90's.

If you had a choice between a hot machine and a cold slot to play, I would choose the one showing results. Naturally, a looser machine would be more likely to show winning sessions and a tight one more likely to show bad sessions, so I wouldn't see reason to make an assumption bucking the assumption.

Video poker, I wouldn't care if not because of pay tables. If OCD was flaring, and it's apples to apples, switch who cares.

Quote: onenickelmiracle

If you had a choice between a hot machine and a cold slot to play, I would choose the one showing results. Naturally, a looser machine would be more likely to show winning sessions and a tight one more likely to show bad sessions, so I wouldn't see reason to make an assumption bucking the assumption.

Video poker, I wouldn't care if not because of pay tables. If OCD was flaring, and it's apples to apples, switch who cares.

I have no clue what you just said.

Quote: AxelWolf

I have no clue what you just said.

If ten people told me people sometimes do well on machine A, but also told me everyone regrets playing machine B, Ok I'll try A. With less certainty, still no reason to choose B. Machine B could have a good day, but you would have no way to know it was a fluke.

Video poker there would be no reason to care of limited results. If emotions say don't play one machine anymore and play in identical pay table, it makes no difference.

Quote: Mission146

What do you mean? It's Video Poker, of course they're the same.

Yes in video poker the pay table determines the payout, unless you are actually on a lottery style. Not everyone on this thread was talking strictly video poker machines. I was talking about regular slots.