mickeycrimm
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April 11th, 2014 at 4:10:19 PM permalink
So Ivey made the Main Event final table 9 times, huh? No one has ever made the final table 9 times. I only recall him making it once. And another time he came damn close. But Moneymaker sucked out on him and knocked him out 10th.

Can someone quote the New Jersey statute that makes edge sorting illegal?
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AxelWolf
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April 11th, 2014 at 4:18:33 PM permalink
Quote: mickeycrimm

So Ivey made the Main Event final table 9 times, huh? No one has ever made the final table 9 times. I only recall him making it once. And another time he came damn close. But Moneymaker sucked out on him and knocked him out 10th.

Can someone quote the New Jersey statute that makes edge sorting illegal?

I doubt there's a specific statute and it's open to interpretation.
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mickeycrimm
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April 11th, 2014 at 4:32:16 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I doubt there's a specific statute and it's open to interpretation.



Well, we have some pretty good minds on WOV. Is edge sorting cheating, anyone? Isn't it the responsibility of Borgata to protect it's games, not Ivey's responsibility?
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treetopbuddy
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April 11th, 2014 at 4:35:28 PM permalink
Quote: mickeycrimm

Well, we have some pretty good minds on WOV. Is edge sorting cheating, anyone? Isn't it the responsibility of Borgata to protect it's games, not Ivey's responsibility?



I don't have a very good mind but I'm answering anyway. This is all on the Borgata.
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nickolay411
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April 11th, 2014 at 4:40:11 PM permalink
Quote: mickeycrimm

Well, we have some pretty good minds on WOV. Is edge sorting cheating, anyone? Isn't it the responsibility of Borgata to protect it's games, not Ivey's responsibility?



Is the Casino cheating by having games in their favor? Is it cheating if they let you know beforehand they have an advantage?

I don't think what you asked is a good question because no game we play in the casino is a fair game to begin with...

I'd say all is fair in love and going to war against the casino. This is definitely AP.

More power to him.
MathExtremist
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April 11th, 2014 at 4:41:09 PM permalink
Quote: mickeycrimm

Can someone quote the New Jersey statute that makes edge sorting illegal?


How about this one?
Quote: 5:12-113 Swindling and cheating; penalties.



113. Swindling and Cheating; Penalties.

a.A person is guilty of swindling and cheating if the person purposely or knowingly by any trick or sleight of hand performance or by a fraud or fraudulent scheme, cards, dice or device, for himself or herself or for another, wins or attempts to win money or property or a representative of either or reduces a losing wager or attempts to reduce a losing wager in connection to casino gaming.

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treetopbuddy
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April 11th, 2014 at 4:46:36 PM permalink
Don't believe Ivey committed fraud, a fraudulent scheme, trick or sleight of hand.
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RS
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April 11th, 2014 at 5:04:17 PM permalink
Quote: MathExtremist

How about this one?



What about it??
Hunterhill
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April 11th, 2014 at 5:05:46 PM permalink
Quote: MathExtremist

How about this one?


Well counting cards is a mental trick ,yet we know that is not cheating.
I don`t think Borgata has a chance.
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tringlomane
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April 11th, 2014 at 5:19:03 PM permalink
Quote: Hunterhill

Well counting cards is a mental trick ,yet we know that is not cheating.
I don`t think Borgata has a chance.



Mental and physical are two different levels of acceptance to most people I would think.

And beat me to the punch ME, that's the only law that looks applicable here looking through the database. Ivey will probably have some good lawyers on his side to twist the hell out of that law though.

Merriam-Webster says:

fraud: the crime of using dishonest methods to take something valuable from another person

Is ordering the dealer to turn the cards a certain way fulfill the above definition? Meh.

Considering what Phil Ivey did with Full Tilt though, makes me sick people want him to win this lawsuit. Phil Ivey is scum.

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