endermike
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April 2nd, 2014 at 6:08:17 PM permalink
Quote: LarryS

Its funny to put out a betting line on a valued members death?

It can be. This is a gambling forum. Many folks resort to humor to deal with uncomfortable topics (like death). A death bet can be a funny topic (examples available upon request). One might say it isn't in this case, however without further info there is no reason to assume such a topic is taboo.
LarryS
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April 2nd, 2014 at 6:18:31 PM permalink
Quote: endermike

It can be. This is a gambling forum. Many folks resort to humor to deal with uncomfortable topics (like death). A death bet can be a funny topic (examples available upon request). One might say it isn't in this case, however without further info there is no reason to assume such a topic is taboo.



I disagree, the idea that gamblers are gruff, classless people who make fun of other peoples death....at least in their abscence is a steriotype

Just my opinion.

It may be someones opinion to think its ok to make a line on the death of your child or your mother. I cant stop them if they think its funny...and others agree.

If all they have to do is say....."hey I am gambler..its all cool",,,,,,,Then I have no comment....who can argue with that.
endermike
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April 2nd, 2014 at 6:55:37 PM permalink
Quote: LarryS

I disagree, the idea that gamblers are gruff, classless people who make fun of other peoples death....at least in their abscence is a steriotype

Just my opinion.

It may be someones opinion to think its ok to make a line on the death of your child or your mother. I cant stop them if they think its funny...and others agree.

If all they have to do is say....."hey I am gambler..its all cool",,,,,,,Then I have no comment....who can argue with that.

I don't think being gamblers is an excuse. it only explains the choice for betting instead of some other joke. Do you think death can't be funny? There are plenty of counter examples (see also Arrested Development, South Park, the Simpsons, Family Guy and Seinfeld). Or is the problem that only death bet jokes aren't funny? Cause I think that isn't true either.
LarryS
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April 2nd, 2014 at 7:12:09 PM permalink
Quote: endermike

I don't think being gamblers is an excuse. it only explains the choice for betting instead of some other joke. Do you think death can't be funny? There are plenty of counter examples (see also Arrested Development, South Park, the Simpsons, Family Guy and Seinfeld). Or is the problem that only death bet jokes aren't funny? Cause I think that isn't true either.




EB was very sick on friday. I spoke with him via pm and gave him some advice that he asked for. I posted here that he was ill. And in the light of that it seems people like you seems to think that mocking his death was a funny joke.

And for that reason one should never make fun of someones death, you may learn after the big joke that something may have gone terribly wrong in that persons life.

No one said.."hey i didnt realize" or "i hope he is ok"......instead the hits just kept coming.

very disrespectful

I stand by my opinion.

Its not universal I know...its funny....I know.
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April 2nd, 2014 at 7:29:22 PM permalink
Quote: LarryS

Quote: endermike

I don't think being gamblers is an excuse. it only explains the choice for betting instead of some other joke. Do you think death can't be funny? There are plenty of counter examples (see also Arrested Development, South Park, the Simpsons, Family Guy and Seinfeld). Or is the problem that only death bet jokes aren't funny? Cause I think that isn't true either.




EB was very sick on friday. I spoke with him via pm and gave him some advice that he asked for. I posted here that he was ill. And in the light of that it seems people like you seems to think that mocking his death was a funny joke.

And for that reason one should never make fun of someones death, you may learn after the big joke that something may have gone terribly wrong in that persons life.

No one said.."hey i didnt realize" or "i hope he is ok"......instead the hits just kept coming.

very disrespectful

I stand by my opinion.

Its not universal I know...its funny....I know.



LarryS,

I'm trying to hang in there with you, I really am, but between the spamming I removed and the days of trolling this and other threads trying to make something out of nothing, and now putting personal information from a PM in public mode, yer killin' me, man. EB has been on this forum every day since he last posted; I've looked. He has chosen not to post, including his health concerns, if any. He has posted every day on Diversity Tomorrow, multiple times, in that time frame; he has not discussed his health there, either. He chose to share that with you privately; please respect that. Please, take it down a notch.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
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April 2nd, 2014 at 7:36:59 PM permalink
I hope everyone who is sick who is a good person feels better soon!
endermike
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April 2nd, 2014 at 8:25:06 PM permalink
Quote: LarryS

EB was very sick on friday. I spoke with him via pm and gave him some advice that he asked for. I posted here that he was ill. And in the light of that it seems people like you seems to think that mocking his death was a funny joke.

Quote: LarryS, the post you mention

he was pretty sick the last time I communicated with him.....so yeah maybe he is dead and you can have a good laugh.

There is not nearly enough to go on to interpret your post as "he is on death's door and therefore jokes about it are in bad taste." You didn't give a time of your communication, what what pretty sick means, or his preferences about us discussing his 15000th post and his health heading into it. In addition, You were flippant about his death in your post! If you wanted your message to be understood, you should probably try to make it more clear what you mean. I can understand if you were trying to get your message across without violating PM rules, but there was nowhere near enough in your attempt to get that across.

Furthermore, the first one post which mentioned his death was:
Quote: GWAE

or he dies, or maybe he did already?

+3500 if he is already dead

Which was then immediately followed by your vague message. How many times was death mentioned again before you mentioned it again: NONE. Seriously, there are 5 posts, none of them mention health or death. People joked about when he would post and the concept of a watched pot never boiling in terms of our desire for him to roll over the odometer, but his health was not mentioned again until you brought it up in this post:
Quote: LarryS

I guess the old rules have returned where we can mock others in their abscence and take a bet on their death.


I can go with that.


back to clever insults.....just like B9

If you had said "I believe him to be very sick and can't post due to health concerns," that would make things clear and we would have probably respected that (I know I would have). However, you didn't. Probably because his health is not what is slowing his posting here as evidence by his posting on DT. You can either quit this the failing charade or try a new tack.

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On a different note, I hope members of this forum are in good health or get headed in the direction of good health soon.
LarryS
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April 2nd, 2014 at 8:49:50 PM permalink
you are scrambling to justify.

Oh yeah I dodnt do a good enough job to talk about someones personal medical problems.

If someone told me here they are visting their sister because she is sick and leaves it vague.....itsok for me to make the hilarious joke when the poster is away for a few days that I will give odds on the sisters death

And then blame the psoter that the exact illness was not divuldged. Because after all making a line on a persons death is funny.

I said he was ill, and sarcastically mentioned that a death might be hilarious to someone. You took that as taking it lightly?

Thats enough info to get people to lay off. Question if he is alright today? Show some concern?

But people find it funny to make lines on the death of members. So where is the line where its not hilarious....you unborn child? your wife. your sister flying cross country....taking odds on a crash.....when is it not funny...or is it always fun and games

I am not saying someone should be banished for. Like you and BBB have shown...this can be viewed as very funny stuff

I just have a different opinion. Especially in the light of being told someone is sick

no one said ooops.....on second thought...it wasnt so funny.

Instead I get all this tap dancing how I didnt explain things better....as if my parents should have raised me better.

No its not ME..

I reject that its all in great fun to joke about someones death when they are not in the room, when they are not there to participate in the hysterical joke.

Its just a pure insult...minimizing the value of their life.,,,,enjoying the thought of someones death, joking about it,

You think its funny and I dont

we just dont agree.....its the way you are....I cant go back and forth and expect a resolution. You have your ideas of funny....and I have my ideas.
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April 2nd, 2014 at 8:55:48 PM permalink
so that everyone knows....mutual concent...is the key words for PMs.and info thereby posted
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April 2nd, 2014 at 9:35:38 PM permalink
Quote: LarryS

you are scrambling to justify.

Oh yeah I dodnt do a good enough job to talk about someones personal medical problems.

If someone told me here they are visting their sister because she is sick and leaves it vague.....itsok for me to make the hilarious joke when the poster is away for a few days that I will give odds on the sisters death

And then blame the psoter that the exact illness was not divuldged. Because after all making a line on a persons death is funny.

I said he was ill, and sarcastically mentioned that a death might be hilarious to someone. You took that as taking it lightly?

Thats enough info to get people to lay off. Question if he is alright today? Show some concern?

But people find it funny to make lines on the death of members. So where is the line where its not hilarious....you unborn child? your wife. your sister flying cross country....taking odds on a crash.....when is it not funny...or is it always fun and games

I am not saying someone should be banished for. Like you and BBB have shown...this can be viewed as very funny stuff

I just have a different opinion. Especially in the light of being told someone is sick

no one said ooops.....on second thought...it wasnt so funny.

Instead I get all this tap dancing how I didnt explain things better....as if my parents should have raised me better.

No its nr ME..

I reject that its all in great fun to joke about someones death when they are not in the room, when they are not there to participate in the hysterical joke.

Its just a pure insult...minimizing the value of their life.,,,,enjoying the thought of someones death, joking about it,

You think its funny and I dont

we just dont agree.....its the way you are....I cant go back and forth and expect a resolution. You have your ideas of funny....and I have my ideas.


If you want your post to be taken seriously I recommend better grammar, formatting and spelling. Beyond those obvious issues, I will further dismantle your "argument."

Quote: LarryS

Oh yeah I dodnt do a good enough job to talk about someones personal medical problems.

If someone told me here they are visting their sister because she is sick and leaves it vague.....itsok for me to make the hilarious joke when the poster is away for a few days that I will give odds on the sisters death

Please point to where Bob said he was sick. Please point to where you said he is not posting because he is sick. Please explain how he is only healthy enough to post on DT.

Quote: LarryS

I said he was ill, and sarcastically mentioned that a death might be hilarious to someone. You took that as taking it lightly?

Yes, sarcasm is a form of humor. When someone spends about 1/2 of their post using sarcasm, then we can guess they find an issue to not be beyond comedy.

Quote: LarryS

But people find it funny to make lines on the death of members.

Since your post find one person who joked about his health. You won't. All you will find are your posts about his health, some of the same old jokes about how Niagara Falls went dry and BBB pointing out your trolling posts. Then you will find this post from me:
Quote: endermike, defending dark humor

It can be. This is a gambling forum. Many folks resort to humor to deal with uncomfortable topics (like death). A death bet can be a funny topic (examples available upon request). One might say it isn't in this case, however without further info there is no reason to assume such a topic is taboo.

Where did I say that I wish ill on EB? Oh that's right, I didn't. I defended jokes which some might see as taboo. This is an opinion of mine. I fall on the side that once some things are off limits, too much goes off limits. You seem to disagree. No harm there, reasonable minds can differ on that. However, you then again resorted to thoughts which are clearly offensive to you with the hope that it would raise my ire or change my mind referencing death upon my child or mother.
Quote: LarryS

It may be someones opinion to think its ok to make a line on the death of your child or your mother. I cant stop them if they think its funny...and others agree.

I have no problem with people making jokes. I am not so fragile of mind that I can't tune out a bad thought if it offends me (which these do not). If I am ever in a situation where I find myself becoming unhinged due to some comment online I can always leave the conversation. Other times you bring this concept up:
http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/17615-evenbob/4/#post346205
http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/17615-evenbob/5/#post346244

Quote: LarryS

I just have a different opinion. Especially in the light of being told someone is sick

Sick has many meanings. Your phrase was "pretty sick." That can mean any of a wide variety of maladies. To me the default meaning would be too sick for work but going to get better in a few days. I would use "pretty sick" for food poisoning or a bad cold. I would never use that phrase to mean gravely sick. On that we may disagree. On that point, no problem there, English is an imperfect language.

Quote: LarryS

Instead I get all this tap dancing how I didnt explain things better....as if my parents should have raised me better.

I too doubt we can blame parents on this one. The lack of clarity in your posts is probably your own fault. (See the next quote, literally the next one in your post.)

Quote: LarryS

No its nr ME..

Left unrebutted for doing so is unnecessary.

Quote: LarryS

I reject that its all in great fun to joke about someones death when they are not in the room, when they are not there to participate in the hysterical joke.

The joke can with them in the room or not. If EB was here either he would participate or ask us to stop. Look at how his posts are replied to in other threads, people speak no differently if he is in the room or not.

Quote: LarryS

enjoying the thought of someones death

Please point to where anyone in this thread says something along the lines of "I hope he is dead or dying." How about you don't post again until you find it.

Quote: LarryS

we just dont agree.....its the way you are....I cant go back and forth and expect a resolution. You have your ideas of funny....and I have my ideas.

Actually, I might amend my earlier clip here. You are right that we disagree on what is taboo for humor. However, on virtually all the facts you have based your other arguments your posts are flawed. I bid you adieu.

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