mickeycrimm
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January 18th, 2014 at 6:03:02 PM permalink
Quote: sodawater

No they were T5000 chips which were issued from the start. Apparently more than 200 fake T5000 chips were found.



But that's the higher denom I was referring to compared to $25, $100, $1000 chips. From what I've read it was a deep stack event. I don't know how much in chips each player started with. Maybe $20,000 at the most. So each player probably wouldn't have more than maybe two of those T5000 chips to start with. I think it would be rather obvious if someone slipped more T5000 chips into their stack at the start. During a table move would be a good time to slip chips into your stack.
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sodawater
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January 18th, 2014 at 6:18:04 PM permalink
Quote: mickeycrimm

But that's the higher denom I was referring to compared to $25, $100, $1000 chips. From what I've read it was a deep stack event. I don't know how much in chips each player started with. Maybe $20,000 at the most. So each player probably wouldn't have more than maybe two of those T5000 chips to start with. I think it would be rather obvious if someone slipped more T5000 chips into their stack at the start. During a table move would be a good time to slip chips into your stack.



Yes. Players started with T20,000 which included 2 t5000 chips. From reading the 2+2 thread, Borgata was using brand new grey T5000 chips in addition to their old and worn grey T5000 chips. The counterfeit chips look like spray-painted lower-denomination sticker chips. Really poor quality and probably was exploiting the fact that with 4800 runners, it was chaos in terms of supervision, staff, etc. Also the event was played in the ballroom upstairs where the cameras are a lot further from the tables than they are in the main poker room.

This is gonna be a shitshow.
strictlyAP
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January 18th, 2014 at 6:39:07 PM permalink
I'm heading down now- i can't evan imagine how poorly this will play out
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Buzzard
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January 18th, 2014 at 7:41:10 PM permalink
Ok, lets say they find 2 of the 27 players left were the culprits. Now What ?

I think play continues, all other players can either keep their payoffs or get a full refund if they did not cash ?

Casino has to provide an honest game PERIOD. They stood to win $187,720.

Can't wait to see how fairly this is handled !
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zippyboy
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January 18th, 2014 at 8:08:44 PM permalink
I remember a story years ago in Bluff magazine about a player buying tourist chips in the gift shop at the Rio that were the same color as T chips, and bringing them into play in the late stages.

I've also heard stories of people who frequent a certain casino and play in their daily $50 tournament, who rat-hole high denom chips and bust out, only to introduce them in that casino's monthly (or semi-annual) tournament which uses the same chips. Mostly, those tournament chips are cheap with no colored inserts and are used in all tournaments regardless of buy-in. Cash games use multi-colored cheques, but Tchips are cheap plastic or clay, sometimes don't even have the casino's name on them or the denomination. Easy to do when the TD moves the player to another table.
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s2dbaker
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January 18th, 2014 at 10:14:58 PM permalink
How do you get Tophat and Cane to make bogus chips for you? This seems like a big deal if TH&C is involved.
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sodawater
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January 18th, 2014 at 10:26:25 PM permalink
Quote: Buzzard

Ok, lets say they find 2 of the 27 players left were the culprits. Now What ?

I think play continues, all other players can either keep their payoffs or get a full refund if they did not cash ?

Casino has to provide an honest game PERIOD. They stood to win $187,720.

Can't wait to see how fairly this is handled !



the tournament is already canceled, they will not play it out.

there are lots of questions to be answered, but the 2 biggest are:

1. is borgata going to refund the 4800 buys ins + entry fees?

2. What are the final 27 going to get for their payouts? Spots 450-28 were already paid.
sodawater
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January 18th, 2014 at 10:26:57 PM permalink
Quote: s2dbaker

How do you get Tophat and Cane to make bogus chips for you? This seems like a big deal if TH&C is involved.



From the picture on Twitter, it looks like the counterfeit chips were just spray painted -- very poor quality work.
onenickelmiracle
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January 18th, 2014 at 10:27:56 PM permalink
Maybe they'll have to start keeping chip tallies after every hand with someone keeping score. Or print new labels on the chips each day with identifiers of whom they originally belonged to. Sounds like a mess but not unpreventable.
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kenarman
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January 19th, 2014 at 9:01:05 AM permalink
Although I am not aware of any fake chips ever being found or serious cheating discovered, the WSOP has discussed their chip tallies many times. They tally the count every night and it is never the same 2 nights in a row. Part of the error of course is they take the count written on the bags that were done by each player. Likely with thousands of bags that some of the counts are off on any given night. One other thing that happens which actually reduces the chip count is a player who's dream it has been to play the WSOP will rathole a souvenir chip. The race off of lower denominations also increases the count. All these things make it very hard to ever keep an exact count.
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