EvenBob on Eagilite, betting systems, posting,etc. (Split from Suspension list thread)
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Quote: DMSCRSo the Wiz or Mission is actually doing him a favor.
You know it all guys crack me up. He got himself
banned on purpose, read his post. If we're lucky
he'll be back, don't count on it. He knows more
about actual playing and the real life of a gambler
than anybody I know. And you all just dismiss
him with a wave of the hand because he doesn't
fit into your fantasy. It's your loss..
Quote: EvenBobIf we're lucky
he'll be back, don't count on it.
I'd be happy if he never comes back. We don't need any more of that voodoo progressive betting crap around here. At least the dice influencing threads have died down.
Quote: AcesAndEightsI'd be happy if he never comes back. We don't need any more of that voodoo progressive betting crap around here. At least the dice influencing threads have died down.
I hope he comes back. Watching Bob fawn over him is hilarious.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceI hope he comes back. Watching Bob fawn over him is hilarious.
I don't fawn. Watching you be jealous of something
you don't understand and can't do is even more
entertaining.
Quote: EvenBobI don't fawn. Watching you be jealous of something
you don't understand and can't do is even more
entertaining.
You understand that in the relationship with Egalite, you're Pinky, right? Narf.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceYou understand that in the relationship with Egalite, you're Pinky, right? Narf.
You really want to keep up this childishness? I don't,
play by yourself..
Quote: strictlyAPIs love to take a poll if how many people bob rubs the wrong way- not sure other then post count what he actually adds to the forums. Would love a poll
Already been done, you lost. Why don't you just
block the people you don't like. I have at least a
dozen blocked, maybe more.
Quote: EvenBobAlready been done, you lost. Why don't you just
block the people you don't like. I have at least a
dozen blocked, maybe more.
That would really confuse me. People would respond to something and I would have no idea what the hell they were talking about.
Quote: GWAEThat would really confuse me. People would respond to something and I would have no idea what the hell they were talking about.
You have the option of seeing the post
of the blocked person. I just looked and
I have 16 people blocked and I block
over 90% of the threads. Some days I
block every new thread posted.
Quote: EvenBobYou have the option of seeing the post
of the blocked person. I just looked and
I have 16 people blocked and I block
over 90% of the threads. Some days I
block every new thread posted.
You're the top-volume poster and you block over 90% of the threads? Holy crap. I have never blocked a thread or a poster yet. I can see how blocking threads can clean things up to navigate...but 90%? That's a lot.
He has a strange roulette system that he uses to win money
at the casinos and disses all of the rest of the systems.
Typical Republican, right wing, old fart (no insult intended).
Probably has FoxNews on 24/7.
Reminds me of my dad.
I like him.
And I bet he's alot more personable and friendly in person, though.
I don't know how he gets 14,000+ posts. There must be some frequent
flier program for WoV that I don't know about. Maybe when he swipes his
credit card at the grocery store, he gets 10 posts, I dunno.
Quote: tringlomaneI can see how blocking threads can clean things up to navigate...but 90%? That's a lot.
It makes it very streamlined, I only see the
threads I'm interested in and spend zero
time reading what I don't want to read.
Quote: boymimbo
I don't know how he gets 14,000+ posts.
I learned 20 years ago on the net
that brevity is key to any post. Short
and to the point.
It would be like having 14,000 posts on a horse racing forum and not knowing which way the horses run.
It would be like having 14,000 posts on Reddit and not being a virgin.
Quote: sodawaterhaving 14,000 posts on Reddit and not being a virgin.
LOL
Quote: sodawaterI just don't know how it is possible to have 14,000 posts on the pre-eminient gaming and gaming math forum in the world and.
Sigh. You guys are such amateurs at this,
I'm embarrassed for you. For a start, you
need to quote chapters from the DSM-5
(The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorder)
and say it all applies to me. The stuff you
guys are doing is newbie material. You
need to try and get at the real me. Try
giving it some more thought, I'll be right
here.
here."
that's what's making them crazy !
Quote: EvenBobSigh. You guys are such amateurs at this,
I'm embarrassed for you. For a start, you
need to quote chapters from the DSM-5
(The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorder)
and say it all applies to me. The stuff you
guys are doing is newbie material. You
need to try and get at the real me. Try
giving it some more thought, I'll be right
here.
I'm not interested in insulting you or anyone else here. I wish everyone well. I just think it is ironic that the person who posts the most on a gambling-math forum seems to have a very shaky understanding of gambling math.
Quote: sodawaterI'm not interested in insulting you or anyone else here.
Well that's good because you're doing a very poor
job of it. You have to make me feel small and
inadequate and insignificant, and so far you've
not even come close. I fell nothing, not even a
twinge..
+10Quote: AxiomOfChoiceuh-huh....
Yeah.. I doubt it. Here's my take.
He has a strange roulette system (this is pretty much the last point that we agree on). He loses his shirt just like everyone else who plays roulette, because, well, it's roulette, and the edge is north of 5%.
So, he loses, and doesn't really understand why. As a result, he is bitter and hates everyone who is actually intelligent, or somewhat educated, or understands basic math.
He likes to think that he has "street smarts", but anyone who really had "street smarts" would know that they couldn't beat roulette (regardless of whether they really understood the math). A hustler knows when he is being hustled, even if he doesn't understand exactly how. It takes one to know one, and all that.
Back to the bitterness: We all understand why he loses, and we can explain it clearly, and this bothers him. He is not the kind of person who will ever admit when he is wrong -- instead, he feels bitterness towards those who know more than him. That bitterness shows through in a lot of what he posts. He will pick a topic that he clearly knows nothing about, pick a position (often a completely indefensible one) and steadfastly defend it with completely illogical arguments.
Continuing with the bitterness: he never misses an opportunity to say anything bad about education or math. He trolls incessantly, and tries to pretend that he understands some grand betting scheme that none of us are smart enough to understand (except maybe his hero, Egalite).
It's kind of mean to laugh, but it's just so funny...
Quote: sodawaterI'm not interested in insulting you or anyone else here. I wish everyone well. I just think it is ironic that the person who posts the most on a gambling-math forum seems to have a very shaky understanding of gambling math.
fwiw, the highest volume posters at 2+2 poker forum also have little idea of math or at least they don't post much about it. They just make a bunch of to the point posts like Bob mentioned. Discussing posts with math is a much. much slower process. I am barely in the top 25 for overall posting, but when looking at the top 25 list, I am in the top 5 for "gaming math related" stuff. On this forum, the top "mathy" poster is Wiz, and it's not even close! I don't think we should be shocked over that though.
Quote: strictlyAPIs love to take a poll if how many people bob rubs the wrong way- not sure other then post count what he actually adds to the forums. Would love a poll
I'm new, but he's responded to a bunch of my posts or subjects I've posted on. Nothing to contribute except latent hostility.
Quote: tringlomanefwiw, the highest volume posters at 2+2 poker forum also have little idea of math or at least they don't post much about it. They just make a bunch of to the point posts like Bob mentioned. Discussing posts with math is a much. much slower process. I am barely in the top 25 for overall posting, but when looking at the top 25 list, I am in the top 5 for "gaming math related" stuff. On this forum, the top "mathy" poster is Wiz, and it's not even close! I don't think we should be shocked over that though.
Actually I would say that crystalmath and miplet have a higher percentage of math-related posts. Wizard often weighs in on general-interest topics -- as he should.
Quote: BizzyBNothing to contribute except latent hostility.
Latent? What's latent about it, Dr Freud.
Quote: sodawaterActually I would say that crystalmath and miplet have a higher percentage of math-related posts. Wizard often weighs in on general-interest topics -- as he should.
I wish he would weigh in on more. I originally came here for question that no one can answer, except the wizard. Maybe a sim could, I don't know. Anyway, the wizard never answered.
Quote: EvenBobLatent? What's latent about it, Dr Freud.
I don't have a problem with you. But your comments are generally not serious and sometimes a little inflammatory. And other people don't have highest opinion, so I'm reading. Kinda seein their point. But I'm new, and I also don't care that much.
Quote: AcesAndEightsIWe don't need any more of that voodoo progressive betting crap around here.
Exactly. Just another clown in the midst of progressive betting nonsense.
He will soon learn that valuable lesson, that the long run is simply the combination of many short runs.
Quote: michael99000Exactly. Just another clown in the midst of progressive betting nonsense.
He will soon learn that valuable lesson, that the long run is simply the combination of many short runs.
You might avoid the 'inevitable' crash. It can happen. There is no magic 'long term' or 'short term'. Just that the range of possible results gets better and better defined.
Quote: thecesspitYou might avoid the 'inevitable' crash. It can happen. There is no magic 'long term' or 'short term'. Just that the range of possible results gets better and better defined.
Reaching the point where your lifetime losses in a - EV game are equal to what the house edge says they should be... Doesn't always have to involve a "crash". It can also be an organized, uniform, slow, steady decline. I just feel that in a case such as egalites, a crash is more likely.
Quote: michael99000Reaching the point where your lifetime losses in a - EV game are equal to what the house edge says they should be... Doesn't always have to involve a "crash". It can also be an organized, uniform, slow, steady decline. I just feel that in a case such as egalites, a crash is more likely.
If you are playing a negative progression, it pretty much has to be a crash. That's exactly the point of negative progressions. Lots of small wins offset (and then some) by huge losses.
If you are flat-betting or playing a positive progression, it's more likely to be a slow, steady, grinding loss.
Duh! He seeks out negativity, thus blocking anything he can't add conflict to, or talk about himself and the back in the day crap.Quote: strictlyAPOn top of all that I call bs in the ninety percent blocked point from bob. He losing more and more credibility as we speak. He blocks ninety percent but literally posts in any thread at all with any hint confrontation
Quote: michael99000Reaching the point where your lifetime losses in a - EV game are equal to what the house edge says they should be... Doesn't always have to involve a "crash". It can also be an organized, uniform, slow, steady decline. I just feel that in a case such as egalites, a crash is more likely.
They tend not to get to exactly 'where the house edge' says they should be. They get closer, plus or minus some amount to the 'should'. That plus/minus can be quite a large range of actual values. Remember the law of large numbers... and the gamblers fallacy. If bozo X wins a $20,000 using his method that hits 24% of the time, he's exactly 24% likely to do it again.
Quote: sodawaterActually I would say that crystalmath and miplet have a higher percentage of math-related posts. Wizard often weighs in on general-interest topics -- as he should.
I wasn't totally clear here...I think I am top 5 within the top 25 overall posters for "gaming related" posts. crystalmath and miplet definitely have a higher percentage than me, and likely have more gaming related posts than i do, but aren't in the top 25 in overall posts since they rarely post on anything that is general BS.
But that doesn't matter some members want to be addressed personally by the wizard no matter what the topic. People could receive better advice form a particular expert in just about any field. They will not be satisfied until the wizard weighs in.Quote: sodawateroh yeah i wasn't even referring to you. i was just saying miplet and CM are more "mathy" than wizard.
Quote: thecesspitThey tend not to get to exactly 'where the house edge' says they should be. They get closer, plus or minus some amount to the 'should'. That plus/minus can be quite a large range of actual values. Remember the law of large numbers... and the gamblers fallacy. If bozo X wins a $20,000 using his method that hits 24% of the time, he's exactly 24% likely to do it again.
It's not even true that you get absolutely closer. You do get closer as a percentage, because your number of trials goes up (also note that the expectation keeps getting more and more negative, so while you might not get closer to expectation, you will still go from being ahead to being behind)
Obviously as Y goes up, Z goes down. But I'd like to know for instance, what are my odds of being in the plus after playing 10,000 hands of blackjack.. 100,000 hands... A million hands
Edit: got off topic. This question prob belongs somewhere else. My apologies
Quote: michael99000that the long run is simply the combination of many short runs.
Is it? Is that what it feels and looks like when
it's happening? You place a bet and watch the
wheel spinning, that feels like long term to
you right then? Sure it does.. Do they pay
you in the long term, or in the extreme short
term. That's all you need to know about what's
really happening.
Quote: EvenBobThat's all you need to know about what's
really happening.
OK, I am going to try to defuse this.
Bob is saying something that is correct, but he is explaining himself wrong. What is correct is to say that a small trial might well represent a distribution beneficial to the player in a game that in the long run has house advantage. It is also completely observable that some players seem to be able to win. Personally, I have to believe these players are merely lucky in the short run. Bob and others believe at least some of them are on to something. Our guy has spent a lot of effort trying to say the HE is getting beat, a road he should not have traveled down IMO. Although to some degree it is about semantics, I feel Bob has lost that argument, but feels frustrated that what he knows to be correct [the first part] is also under attack.
Egalite, on the other hand, has just set up a bunch of smoke and mirrors and made wild ridiculous claims. He has latched on to this belief that 'at least some of them are on to something', a fallacy in general opinion, but I think we have to agree it is opinion. In this latter case, though, the claims are so wild that Egalite is just a fool if he thought they would be accepted out of hand. If we ever find out I am wrong about that, it's going to be another Don Johnson situation, an acceptable explanation we did not get.
Quote: odiousgambitBob is saying something that is correct, but he is explaining himself wrong.
No, he really isn't. He's saying something that's wrong.
Quote:What is correct is to say that a small trial might well represent a distribution beneficial to the player
You mean, sometimes people win bets? Sure. I don't think that that's news to anyone.
Quote:It is also completely observable that some players seem to be able to win.
Sure, a lot of incorrect things seem to be true if you don't make careful observations.
Quote:Personally, I have to believe these players are merely lucky in the short run.
No, you don't. You can do the math and find out for sure. No guesswork is required here.
Quote:Bob and others believe at least some of them are on to something.
Yes, and that's the laughably incorrect part. THIS is the important part, and it's the reason that you're wrong when you say that Bob is saying something that's correct. No one is arguing that you don't win 18 times out of 38 when you bet on red in roulette; the only argument here is about whether you can beat the casino anyway, even though you only get paid even money.
Quote:Our guy has spent a lot of effort trying to say the HE is getting beat, a road he should not have traveled down IMO. Although to some degree it is about semantics, I feel Bob has lost that argument, but feels frustrated that what he knows to be correct [the first part] is also under attack.
It's not under attack. We all understand that you win 18 times out of 38 when you bet on red in roulette. The only discussion is about whether it's important that they only pay you even money instead of 10:9.
Quote: sodawaterI just don't know how it is possible to have 14,000 posts on the pre-eminient gaming and gaming math forum in the world and still not have a clear understanding of the most basic concept there is, house edge.
Exactly.
I've been on other forums where there's an inverse relationship between 'post count' and understanding of the forums basic concepts, I just didn't think it applied here.
Quote: EvenBobYou have the option of seeing the post
of the blocked person. I just looked and
I have 16 people blocked and I block
over 90% of the threads. Some days I
block every new thread posted.
Doubt it
Quote: treetopbuddyDoubt it
One way to find out. Go to my profile page
and see what threads I post in and
which I don't. I bet I blocked 10 threads
already today.
