American Hustle
Not sure if its loosely based on a true story or not. Anyways its free to watch.
http://www.putlocker.com/file/DC5E108D5E1898CF# Click continue as free user then close out the popup window or tab and start watching.
Yes, it is based on true events:Quote: AxelWolfNot sure if its loosely based on a true story or not. Anyways its free to watch.
http://www.putlocker.com/file/DC5E108D5E1898CF# Click continue as free user then close out the popup window or tab and start watching.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abscam
I thought is was a very good movie. But, I recommend paying to watch it in a theater, rather than stealing it from a rogue site.
Not sure if streaming is stealing. WWBDD ?Quote: teliotYes, it is based on true events:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abscam
I thought is was a very good movie. But, I recommend paying to watch it in a theater, rather than stealing it from a rogue site.
From Wikipedia:Quote: AxelWolfNot sure if streaming is stealing. WWBDD ?
"The site has been named as one of five "rogue sites" by a Paramount Pictures executive on March 31, 2012 at the On Copyright conference."
"In December 2011, PutLocker was named by the Office of the United States Trade Representative as disseminating infringing content in its "Review of Notorious Markets."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PutLocker
Quote: AxelWolfNot sure if streaming is stealing. WWBDD ?
Just ask, "Did I pay for the service?" like streaming the film from Netflix.
Remember Napster? It started as a rogue site, got closed, and re-opened as an online music store that paid royalties.
Where dose it indicate it's stealing? You download nothing, you keep nothing.Quote: teliotFrom Wikipedia:
"The site has been named as one of five "rogue sites" by a Paramount Pictures executive on March 31, 2012 at the On Copyright conference."
"In December 2011, PutLocker was named by the Office of the United States Trade Representative as disseminating infringing content in its "Review of Notorious Markets."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PutLocker
Lets not get into a morality discussion. I just want to know if streaming a movie is illegal? Or if encouraging people to watch one is?
A company spends 100M to make a movie and you see it days after it is released for free and without permission of the production company or any of its associates on a site that is known for violating international copyright law and you want to ask about legality? Surely you are joking.Quote: AxelWolfI just want to know if streaming a movie is illegal?
Will you get in trouble for it? No
Quote: RorryAre you 100% clean of any legality if you watch it? No.
Correct.
Quote: RorryWill you get in trouble for it? No.
Ah, the "If I can get away with it without being caught, then it must be righteous to do" argument.
Quote: DRichIf someone posts copyrighted material on a forum and you read it, are you breaking the law? Clearly the person posting it is, and maybe the site where it resides is, but I am not sure if the person reading it is breaking the law.
If it's the owner's material with his approval, no, not at all.
Quote: PaigowdanIf it's the owner's material with his approval, no, not at all.
I am assuming the owner did not give his approval for it being posted. I'm just not sure if the reader is breaking the law.
Quote: DRichI am assuming the owner did not give his approval for it being posted. I'm just not sure if the reader is breaking the law.
A couple of recent related cases:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/25/joel-tenenbaum-music-fine-downloading_n_3500076.html
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/03/18/supreme-court-upholds-220000-fine-for-music-piracy/
This is what will happen now:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_Alert_System
That all seems to deal with DOWNLOADING not streaming. I would like to see a law that deals with streaming.Quote: teliotA couple of recent related cases:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/25/joel-tenenbaum-music-fine-downloading_n_3500076.html
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/03/18/supreme-court-upholds-220000-fine-for-music-piracy/
This is what will happen now:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_Alert_System
Quote: PaigowdanAh, the "If I can get away with it without being caught, then it must be righteous to do" argument.
Now now, I never said it was righteous to do, nor was I making an argument for either side. I was, quite simply, stating the facts.
How bout a review.
Cmon, those that have seen it, give us the scoop.
A little more then a thumb up or down would me much appreciated.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1800241/trivia?tab=gf&ref_=tt_trv_gf
its amazing of the errors movies make when they are spending 40 millions dollars.
Quote: IbeatyouracesI guess if I buy a DVD and let someone borrow it, then they are stealing too.
Are you kidding...didnt you ever read the FBI warning before the movie starts....i THINK YOU CAN BE FINED OVER A BILLION DOLLARS FOR THAT.
look at blockbuster video......they arent around anymore....I think the FBI closed them all down.
No sharing!!!
Quote: LarrySlook at blockbuster video......they arent around anymore....I think the FBI closed them all down.
I don't think the FBI closed them down. I think that the business model no longer worked: Why have a store front and employees on site when you can do the same thing (more or less) with a Red Box booth?
Quote: skrbornevryminI don't think the FBI closed them down. I think that the business model no longer worked: Why have a store front and employees on site when you can do the same thing (more or less) with a Red Box booth?
really?
Quote: LarrySreally?
Or Net Flix for that matter..
Quote: IbeatyouracesNot the FBI, Netflix ran them out of business.
wow thats good knowledge
i thought for sure the FBI had a raid on 10,000 stores a few months ago...i think it was on a wednsday night, after "the middle"
afterwhich the records were seized and each member was fined 1 billion dollars......per rental
I wont steal it, I will just stream it.Quote: teddysDid anyone see The Wolf of Wall Street? I thought it was pretty good. Not gonna suggest stealing it, though; see it in the theater.
I wonder if its available yet?
Quote: teddysDid anyone see The Wolf of Wall Street? I thought it was pretty good. Not gonna suggest stealing it, though; see it in the theater.
Saw the movie and read Belfort's book. Read it to the end at Talking Stick Resort when husband and wife shot the bankroll.
Brilliant and aggressive SOB that Jordan Belfort; he and his outfit could have been a permanent fixture on Wall Street Realm as a financial house, if he had been/stayed clean in both business and personal aspects.
The Huge ($$$$$$) money, the beautiful "bar girl" seductresses that flocked and surrounded him, the ridiculous world-class man-toys, and the exquisitely pure cocaine and pharmaceutical Quaaludes got the better of him, and crippled and crushed him. Any red-blooded SOB would have been no different.
Quote: AxelWolfI wont steal it, I will just stream it.
For you, stream it. The old Jordan Belfort would have approved.
If you're in a twelve step program, actually pay for it, so you won't have to add to a "4th step" or "10th step" issue to the litany.
The movie was release two weeks ago and you are obviously stealing it.
That said, i plan on seeing the movie this weekend.
Quote: boymimboStreaming is stealing in this case because there is no way that the artist or the movie maker is receiving royalties for the movie. Obviously the movie won't be available online until it is released. Generally the movie distribution goes pre-release, release, hotels and airlines, Blu-Ray/DVD, On-Demand (PPV), online rentals, pay TV (HBO), regular TV.
The movie was release two weeks ago and you are obviously stealing it.
That said, I plan on seeing the movie this weekend.
Good man, it is not easy being a stand-up man here.
Quote: boymimboStreaming is stealing in this case because there is no way that the artist or the movie maker is receiving royalties for the movie. Obviously the movie won't be available online until it is released. Generally the movie distribution goses pre-release, release, hotels and airlines, Blu-Ray/DVD, On-Demand (PPV), online rentals, pay TV (HBO), regular TV.
The movie was release two weeks ago and you are obviously stealing it.
That said, i plan on seeing the movie this weekend.
wasnt there a similar question involving a 10 dollar hotel buffet that no one checked on so was it ok to yust go there without paying or even stay at the hotel.
If someone wants to sell you a tv from the back of his pickup truck that you suspect may be stolen....do you buy it
If looters break open a store window, and you walk by, is it ok to reach in and take something
is it ok to go to a multiplex and buy on ticket and see 3 movies
is it ok to sneak into a concert and watch for free
its all the same crap..and it all depends on how you were raised as to how the question is answered.
If people were raised to know the above are illegal ...then they probably wont be streaming movies that they know just came out
Ok..... is it illegal? if so please show me the law on this.Quote: boymimboStreaming is stealing in this case because there is no way that the artist or the movie maker is receiving royalties for the movie. Obviously the movie won't be available online until it is released. Generally the movie distribution goses pre-release, release, hotels and airlines, Blu-Ray/DVD, On-Demand (PPV), online rentals, pay TV (HBO), regular TV.
The movie was release two weeks ago and you are obviously stealing it.
That said, i plan on seeing the movie this weekend.
I think it comes down to perception. I never heard of anyone steaming a movie online, leading to killing someone. Speeding is illegal, Yet I bet 95% of the people saying, streaming movies is wrong, has or dose drive over the speed limit often. This is far more dangerous and destructive then streaming some video.Quote: LarrySwasnt there a similar question involving a 10 dollar hotel buffet that no one checked on so was it ok to yust go there without paying or even stay at the hotel.
If someone wants to sell you a tv from the back of his pickup truck that you suspect may be stolen....do you buy it
If looters break open a store window, and you walk by, is it ok to reach in and take something
is it ok to go to a multiplex and buy on ticket and see 3 movies
is it ok to sneak into a concert and watch for free
its all the same crap..and it all depends on how you were raised as to how the question is answered.
If people were raised to know the above are illegal ...then they probably wont be streaming movies that they know just came out
Someone posted a link to a online gambling site, I didn't see Teliot suggest that it would be illegal to play on that site. it's even a felony in some states.
It may be illegal to feed a homeless person in a park. If someone dose that perhaps they were brought up wrong because they are breaking the law.
It's almost certainly illegal for the provider to stream the movie online. If you watch the film, you are aiding and abetting the crime. That said, it's a grey area like most kinds of piracy, but it's inherently wrong none the less. I know a lot of people who watch TV exclusively on streaming sites, and I've bittorrented some movies that are on DVD. It's all a matter of degree.Quote: AxelWolfOk..... is it illegal? if so please show me the law on this.
Quote: AxelWolfThat all seems to deal with DOWNLOADING not streaming. I would like to see a law that deals with streaming.
To stream something, you have to download it. Downloading means getting something from another location to your location via the internet. Just because you are not saving it to your hard drive to watch again at a later point or make a copy for a friend, does not mean you are not downloading it.
If I listen to music from a streaming site, the party streaming the site is presumably paying royalties. The same is true if I watch a movie or TV show.
In your case where you are watching streaming content and you have no idea of its legality, anyone coming after you would have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that you knew that you were stealing. You could probably just claim that you searched for it and found it and didn't think about paying for the service. The anti-piracy folk would go after the distributor anyway.
I don't understand why people don't consider intellectual property "property". The cost of the software license that I work with every day is on the order of a couple of million dollars per customer. It's intellectual property and code and is easily distributable. That intellectual property extends to the configuration guides, training materials, analysis, spreadsheets and documentation that I produce.
Of course intellectual property applies to TV, movies and music. The industry behind this is not supplying this service for free.
What if you don't have a hard drive? From what I understand, it's playable in a web based player, everything is embedded directly into the page. People are stating opinions, yet I have yet to see any proof or a law stating streaming is illegal. I am not saying it is, or is not, I just want to see the proof.Quote: boymimboThat was my next point. The meaning of "download" is irrelevant in the cloud world. If my hard drive contents are on some network location not resident on my hard drive, and I choose to use a subscription from a non-MicroSoft site, am i guilty of a crime? Yup.
If I listen to music from a streaming site, the party streaming the site is presumably paying royalties. The same is true if I watch a movie or TV show.
In your case where you are watching streaming content and you have no idea of its legality, anyone coming after you would have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that you knew that you were stealing. You could probably just claim that you searched for it and found it and didn't think about paying for the service. The anti-piracy folk would go after the distributor anyway.
I don't understand why people don't consider intellectual property "property". The cost of the software license that I work with every day is on the order of a couple of million dollars per customer. It's intellectual property and code and is easily distributable. That intellectual property extends to the configuration guides, training materials, analysis, spreadsheets and documentation that I produce.
Of course intellectual property applies to TV, movies and music. The industry behind this is not supplying this service for free.
It may or may not be breaking the law. I have a feeling most of of break the law in one way or another. I gave an example of speeding. Maybe someone enters and intersection on a green light, but someone is still in the intersection, or you follow someone to close perhaps you don't leave enough room when stopping behind someone.
1) I can afford it, it's not that much.
2) I like the big screen experience.
3) I like movies, and I want to make sure that studios keep making them.
4) I am wary of making an internet connection to a rogue site and keeping it open and unmonitored for a couple hours.
Go see them both.
The text of the act is here.
The law that is in effect and pertains here is Title 17 of the United State Code, section 506:
Quote: United States Code, Title 17, Section 506
(a) Criminal Infringement.—
(1) In general.— Any person who willfully infringes a copyright shall be punished as provided under section 2319 of title 18, if the infringement was committed—
(A)for purposes of commercial advantage or private financial gain;
(B)by the reproduction or distribution, including by electronic means, during any 180–day period, of 1 or more copies or phonorecords of 1 or more copyrighted works, which have a total retail value of more than $1,000; or
(C)by the distribution of a work being prepared for commercial distribution, by making it available on a computer network accessible to members of the public, if such person knew or should have known that the work was intended for commercial distribution.
(2) Evidence.— For purposes of this subsection, evidence of reproduction or distribution of a copyrighted work, by itself, shall not be sufficient to establish willful infringement of a copyright.
(3) Definition.— In this subsection, the term “work being prepared for commercial distribution” means—
(A)a computer program, a musical work, a motion picture or other audiovisual work, or a sound recording, if, at the time of unauthorized distribution—
(i)the copyright owner has a reasonable expectation of commercial distribution; and
(ii)the copies or phonorecords of the work have not been commercially distributed; or
(B)a motion picture, if, at the time of unauthorized distribution, the motion picture—
(i)has been made available for viewing in a motion picture exhibition facility; and
(ii)has not been made available in copies for sale to the general public in the United States in a format intended to permit viewing outside a motion picture exhibition facility.
Quote: boymimboIt's illegal. It's the PRO-IP act signed into law by Dubya in 2008. This act amended United States code.
The text of the act is here.
The law that is in effect and pertains here is Title 17 of the United State Code, section 506:
If you want to talk about criminals, lets talk about the highway robbery being committed and the concessions stands in these theaters!!!!! 500-700% mark up!!!
Wolf of Wall Street 9/10
American Hustle 8/10
Both were very entertaining...
Quote: TheWolf713Quote: boymimboIt's illegal. It's the PRO-IP act signed into law by Dubya in 2008. This act amended United States code.
The text of the act is here.
The law that is in effect and pertains here is Title 17 of the United State Code, section 506:
If you want to talk about criminals, lets talk about the highway robbery being committed and the concessions stands in these theaters!!!!! 500-700% mark up!!!
Then dont buy at Cinema concession stands. They can price themselves at any level they want... you dont have to buy.
One is a necessity for day-to-day life, the other is used to power cars.Quote: IbeatyouracesWhy is this ok but if a gas station does it with gasoline it's price gouging and illegal?
But the guy who will drive all over town to save 2 cents a gallon, will pony up $7 for a large popcorn. LOL
Quote: teliotOne is a necessity for day-to-day life, the other is used to power cars.
Quote: IbeatyouracesBull!! Ride a bus, taxi, bicycle or walk. You don't need to buy gas or drive.
I'm still not awake yet, but I think teliot was making a funny.
