I was raped at mile marker 164
Quote: treetopbuddyOf course the containers were mine........they smelled of marijuana.
So you have drug containers, and a great deal of cash.
Even the dumbest cop can add 2+2 and come up with 4.
How do you feel you were wronged.
Quote: BuzzardYeah, have your attorney put the dog on the witness stand. Try and subpena the financial records of that cop. Spend 40K to try and get your money back.
Think about it. No charges filed, money confiscated because the dog hit on it. Take that dog to the local bank and arrest all the people
who work there.
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Quote: treetopbuddyThe crazy German Shepard probably hits on a pile of saw dust. All money has traces of pot, cocaine, heroin etc.
That should be your defense in court. It's the dog's
and the money's fault.
You think those state troopers are all Sherlock Holmes. More like Barney Fifes. Let's pull over as many guys as fit our profile and search their vehicles.
Same theory as city cops use in pulling over drivers for DWB.
Quote: Buzzardthe cop was never ever ever going to let a single male in a rental car go with just a WARNING.
How do you know so much about what happened that day?
Quote: EvenBobSo you have drug containers, and a great deal of cash.
Even the dumbest cop can add 2+2 and come up with 4.
How do you feel you were wronged.
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Quote: Buzzardthe cop was never ever ever going to let a single male in a rental car go with just a WARNING.
You think those state troopers are all Sherlock Holmes. More like Barney Fifes. Let's pull over as many guys as fit our profile and search their vehicles.
Same theory as city cops use in pulling over drivers for DWB.
Thanks Buzzard for your support......
Quote: treetopbuddyI politely asked Hitler if I could be on my way.
Godwin's Law Achieved!
Quote: treetopbuddyThe point of the OP....Sinatra, was to convey the idea that the fucking pirate had no probable cause to search my vehicle! No crime was committed. I'm simply traveling along I-70 minding my own business. I was polite and told the fucking Nazi that I'm not giving consent to run drug dogs around my vehicle. I politely asked Hitler if I could be on my way. They had no probable cause to detain me......get it!
You and the rest of the law and order types are not not going to like this......there will be no criminal case......the full weight of the constitution with come down on the MF'ing pirates if they even try........
Yeah, their Xmas party will better.........and Sparky probably got a T-Bone steak.......but their day is coming.
He was just going to warn you about the lane change, and you asked if you could be on your way...where weren't you just on your way? What happened in the middle there?
Quote: rdw4potusHe was just going to warn you about the lane change, and you asked if you could be on your way...where weren't you just on your way? What happened in the middle there?
He told the cop that he needed to go because he had the munchies. lol
Seriously, though, a lot of info is missing from this story. Unfortunately, the OP isn't interested in filling us in.
Quote: treetopbuddyI was polite and told the fucking Nazi that I'm not giving consent to run drug dogs around my vehicle. I politely asked Hitler if I could be on my way.
Were you as "polite" as you've been in this thread?
Quote: treetopbuddyThe day is coming that the pirates of I-70 are going to pull this shit on the wrong guy.
Quote: treetopbuddy.......but their day is coming.
I won't be joining you, but here, pop a cork, though it seems we celebrate in different ways:
This will brighten you day, apparently
Quote: treetopbuddy....there will be no criminal case......the full weight of the constitution with come down on the MF'ing pirates if they even try...
So you don't need an attorney, you have it all figured
out. The truth is, you have no idea what will happen.
Quote: rdw4potusHe was just going to warn you about the lane change, and you asked if you could be on your way...where weren't you just on your way? What happened in the middle there?
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Quote: treetopbuddyI was going to be searched no matter what I did or said?
So you read the cop's mind?
Quote: treetopbuddyI told the ass that I wasn't answering any of his questions. He gave me a ticket and we were on our way.
So why didn't they search you that time, yet you
were convinced they would search you this time.
Again, there's a big hole in the middle of this
story. You said or did something that sunk you
and you don't want to say what that is.
Quote: EvenBobSo you don't need an attorney, you have it all figured
out. The truth is, you have no idea what will happen.
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Quote: EvenBobSo why didn't they search you that time, yet you
were convinced they would search you this time.
Again, there's a big hole in the middle of this
story. You said or did something that sunk you
and you don't want to say what that is.
Why would I not tell the entire story? What would be my motivation?
Quote: treetopbuddyThey totally understand and deal with the piracy that has been going on along I-70 for years
So crooked cops is your attorney's defense. Does that
usually work? Kinda tough to prove when you had actual
evidence in your vehicle. What was the shakedown part,
you were guilty. You act like they planted the stuff in the
car.
Quote: Beethoven9thSo you read the cop's mind?
Yes, Rush, he was hell bent on searching my vehicle and wouldn't take no for an answer. The Nazi's have carte blanche on I-70.
That's like saying you think Mary-Kate Olsen is hot, but Ashley is ugly. LOL
They sure do. They understand that you have $35,000 for them to get their grubby hands on!Quote: treetopbuddyI've consulted with Kansas attorneys. They totally understand
Quote: treetopbuddyYesQuote: Beethoven9thSo you read the cop's mind?
LOL!!
Quote: Beethoven9th
They sure do. They understand that you have $35,000 for them to get their grubby hands on!
Exactly! Any good attorney would say kiss the money
goodbye and hope they don't file charges. Try and get
the money back and you still won't see a dime and could
be in big trouble on top of it.
Quote: EvenBobSo crooked cops is your attorney's defense. Does that
usually work? Kinda tough to prove when you had actual
evidence in your vehicle. What was the shakedown part,
you were guilty. You act like they planted the stuff in the
car.
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Quote: EvenBobExactly! Any good attorney would say kiss the money
goodbye and hope they don't file charges. Try and get
the money back and you still won't see a dime and could
be in big trouble on top of it.
What charges would they file? Possession of money? Former possession of drugs? Being a d-bag in the 1st degree?
Quote: treetopbuddyOf course the cops are crooked. They are adrenaline junkies....don't you know that......?
I really don't know that. I do know that every
guy who ever got caught for anything since the
beginning of time, always blames the cops.
Every person in prison is innocent, just ask them.
Quote: Beethoven9thWait a sec. You hate cops, but you love attorneys?
That's like saying you think Mary-Kate Olsen is hot, but Ashley is ugly. LOL
They sure do. They understand that you have $35,000 for them to get their grubby hands on!
I'm the same way. I like the police officers I work with, Marko and Eric, but really do not like them when they're in uniform. I don't like cops, but my lawyer is pretty awesome.
Quote: EvenBobExactly! Any good attorney would say kiss the money
goodbye and hope they don't file charges. Try and get
the money back and you still won't see a dime and could
be in big trouble on top of it.
I'm not getting the money back. It's gone......call it a 35k education. I'll rally, I always do.
Quote: treetopbuddyMaybe they will seize my worthless race horses and sell them to the meat man for 600 a head.....would that make you happy EvenBob?
Probably not. You do realize not much of this
story makes sense, the way you're telling it.
That's why you're getting so much flack.
Quote: EvenBobI really don't know that. I do know that every
guy who ever got caught for anything since the
beginning of time, always blames the cops.
Every person in prison is innocent, just ask them.
Having a bundle of cash and the smell of marijuana doesn't make you guilty of anything. It's important to remember that they didn't charge him with a crime. If they had evidence of an actual crime then he would have been arrested.
From forfeiture.gov, all the seizures in Kansas over the period of July 24 - August 24, 2013. Note all of the seizures in the I-70 towns of Ellsworth.
13-DEA-587351, $9,000.00 U.S. Currency, VL: $9000.00 which was seized in Ellsworth, KS from Dylan Sapsford and Jordan Gay on August 21, 2013
13-DEA-586290, $2,000.00 U.S. Currency, VL: $2000.00 which was seized in Overland Park, KS from Jin Leone on July 31, 2013
13-DEA-586548, $108,000.00 U.S. Currency, VL: $108000.00 which was seized in Kansas City, KS from Daniel Doerge on August 06, 2013
13-DEA-586665, $7,321.00 U.S. Currency, VL: $7321.00 which was seized in Kansas City, KS from Isreal Casares AKA Robert Casares on August 06, 2013
13-DEA-586699, $7,756.00 U.S. Currency, VL: $7756.00 which was seized in Ellsworth, KS from Nicholas Hardimon on August 02, 2013
13-DEA-586701, $5,495.00 U.S. Currency, VL: $5495.00 which was seized in Ellsworth, KS from Donovan Smith on August 06, 2013
13-DEA-586762, $11,800.00 U.S. Currency, VL: $11800.00 which was seized in Colby, KS from Samuel Edward Thomas and Matthew Scott Zahoran on August 06, 2013
13-DEA-587329, $19,930.00 U.S. Currency, VL: $19930.00 which was seized in Ellsworth, KS from Levi Mahon and Nicholas McDowell on August 19, 2013
13-DEA-586101, $14,852.92 U.S. Currency, VL: $14852.92 which was seized in Alma, KS from Jevan Ronnie Dominic Jones and Monique Desiree Johnson on July 24, 2013
13-DEA-586187, Jimenez Arms J.A. Nine 9mm Pistol #:087803, VL: $1.00 which was seized in Wichita, KS from Jennifer Simerly on July 25, 2013
13-DEA-586192, Cobra Enterprises CA380 .380 Caliber Pistol #:CP092019, VL: $1.00 which was seized in Wichita, KS from Jennifer Simerly on July 25, 2013
13-DEA-586700, $4,600.00 U.S. Currency, VL: $4600.00 which was seized in Ellsworth, KS from Gregory Sanders on August 02, 2013
13-DEA-586759, $128,570.00 U.S. Currency, VL: $128570.00 which was seized in Topeka, KS from Grace Lillian Hughes on August 07, 2013
Quote: PBguyHaving a bundle of cash and the smell of marijuana doesn't make you guilty of anything.
I don't think anybody accused him of being guilty of anything. The only thing he has been criticized for is not telling us the entire story.
Quote: boymimboMoney seizure laws are very strong in the USA. There are plenty of papers on the profit motive for the police to nab vehicles. Kansas is just east of Colorado and is a major freeway for trafficking marijuana, which is still a federal crime. All of the money goes back to the law enforcement agency who discovered the money.
From forfeiture.gov, all the seizures in Kansas over the period of July 24 - August 24, 2013. Note all of the seizures in the I-70 towns of Ellsworth.
13-DEA-587351, $9,000.00 U.S. Currency, VL: $9000.00 which was seized in Ellsworth, KS from Dylan Sapsford and Jordan Gay on August 21, 2013
13-DEA-586290, $2,000.00 U.S. Currency, VL: $2000.00 which was seized in Overland Park, KS from Jin Leone on July 31, 2013
13-DEA-586548, $108,000.00 U.S. Currency, VL: $108000.00 which was seized in Kansas City, KS from Daniel Doerge on August 06, 2013
13-DEA-586665, $7,321.00 U.S. Currency, VL: $7321.00 which was seized in Kansas City, KS from Isreal Casares AKA Robert Casares on August 06, 2013
13-DEA-586699, $7,756.00 U.S. Currency, VL: $7756.00 which was seized in Ellsworth, KS from Nicholas Hardimon on August 02, 2013
13-DEA-586701, $5,495.00 U.S. Currency, VL: $5495.00 which was seized in Ellsworth, KS from Donovan Smith on August 06, 2013
13-DEA-586762, $11,800.00 U.S. Currency, VL: $11800.00 which was seized in Colby, KS from Samuel Edward Thomas and Matthew Scott Zahoran on August 06, 2013
13-DEA-587329, $19,930.00 U.S. Currency, VL: $19930.00 which was seized in Ellsworth, KS from Levi Mahon and Nicholas McDowell on August 19, 2013
13-DEA-586101, $14,852.92 U.S. Currency, VL: $14852.92 which was seized in Alma, KS from Jevan Ronnie Dominic Jones and Monique Desiree Johnson on July 24, 2013
13-DEA-586187, Jimenez Arms J.A. Nine 9mm Pistol #:087803, VL: $1.00 which was seized in Wichita, KS from Jennifer Simerly on July 25, 2013
13-DEA-586192, Cobra Enterprises CA380 .380 Caliber Pistol #:CP092019, VL: $1.00 which was seized in Wichita, KS from Jennifer Simerly on July 25, 2013
13-DEA-586700, $4,600.00 U.S. Currency, VL: $4600.00 which was seized in Ellsworth, KS from Gregory Sanders on August 02, 2013
13-DEA-586759, $128,570.00 U.S. Currency, VL: $128570.00 which was seized in Topeka, KS from Grace Lillian Hughes on August 07, 2013
Yes, visit site in a month or so and you will see a 35,700 seizure. Love the 1.00 seizure on July 25.
Quote: PBguyHaving a bundle of cash and the smell of marijuana doesn't make you guilty of anything. It's important to remember that they didn't charge him with a crime. If they had evidence of an actual crime then he would have been arrested.
You don't have to be charged with a crime for the police to take your money. All you need to have is a suspicion. Read Kansas' forfeiture statutes
Quote: what a pile of shit
60-4104: Covered offenses and conduct giving rise to forfeiture. Conduct and offenses giving rise to forfeiture under this act, whether or not there is a prosecution or conviction related to the offense, are: [long list follows]
Forgot about treetopbuddy. Listen: innocent people are being robbed. It happens! You guys can obsess over the details of this incident, but the truth is that you're glossing over the real tragedy, and it's nothing to do with this one instance. It's an immoral practice that is taking place of police officers robbing innocent victims as they get snagged in the snares designed to hit drug smugglers in the pocketbook.
I would guess, myself, that our treetopbuddy may have broken zero laws in Kansas regardless of whether or not he used, bought, or sold marijuana in another state. And that is *ALL* that Kansas should be concerned about.
An honest cop would have said, well, you were smart to leave the pot at home because if you had it here, we'd be keeping your money.
But the cops are standing on a higher moral ground and operating beyond the scope of the laws and deciding without due process if you are guilty and operating accordingly.
In my view, this problem isn't about our treetopbuddy. This problem is about our failed war on drugs and how it affects folks that are not guilty of any crime, yet get punished without due process in clear violation of our rights given by the fourth amendment of the Constitution of US.
Quote: Beethoven9thI don't think anybody accused him of being guilty of anything. The only thing he has been criticized for is not telling us the entire story.
Look, why would I not tell a bunch on anonymous strangers the true story? What's to gain? What's the point? The OP sums it up! That's what happened. If you hold to the romantic notion that this is a free country.......well, your badly mistaken.
Quote: treetopbuddyLook, why would I not tell a bunch on anonymous strangers the true story? What's to gain? .
So you admit there was way more to the story,
and you ask us for advice? What's the point.
Quote: AhighAnyone who doesn't recognize the violation of rights of innocent people being robbed by police obviously has been brainwashed by someone or something that it's alright.
Forgot about treetopbuddy. Listen: innocent people are being robbed. It happens! You guys can obsess over the details of this incident, but the truth is that you're glossing over the real tragedy, and it's nothing to do with this one instance. It's an immoral practice that is taking place of police officers robbing innocent victims as they get snagged in the snares designed to hit drug smugglers in the pocketbook.
I would guess, myself, that our treetopbuddy may have broken zero laws in Kansas regardless of whether or not he used, bought, or sold marijuana in another state. And that is *ALL* that Kansas should be concerned about.
An honest cop would have said, well, you were smart to leave the pot at home because if you had it here, we'd be keeping your money.
But the cops are standing on a higher moral ground and operating beyond the scope of the laws and deciding without due process if you are guilty and operating accordingly.
In my view, this problem isn't about our treetopbuddy. This problem is about our failed war on drugs and how it affects folks that are not guilty of any crime, yet get punished without due process in clear violation of our rights given by the fourth amendment of the Constitution of US.
Amen. +1
Quote: EvenBobSo you admit there was way more to the story,
and you ask us for advice? What's the point.
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Quote: treetopbuddyWhere did I admit there is more to the story? The OP tells the entire story.
Then why are we so confused? It doesn't make sense
the way you tell it. The cop said he was giving you a
warning and you talked him into a full search. Is that
about the gist of it?
Oy..
Treetop, maybe contacting the press might be appropriate, and perhaps your state and federal representatives, too. One well known strategy is to focus interdiction efforts on out-of-state rental cars. And given Treetop was a single male driving one with a ton of cash, this is not a surprise.
Quote: EvenBobThen why are we so confused? It doesn't make sense
the way you tell it. The cop said he was giving you a
warning and you talked him into a full search. Is that
about the gist of it?
Oy..
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Ah, so there IS more to the story! I knew it.Quote: treetopbuddyHe goes back to car and runs background check. I have a disorderly conduct mark on my record. I'm 57. Horse track brawl
In this version of the story, you don't sound as "polite" as you had claimed in the OP. So what else have you left out? Did your car reek of weed? Also, it sounds like you were argumentative from the get-go. Why??
Shouldn't you have outgrown the pot phase about 30 years ago?!?Quote: treetopbuddyI'm 57
Quote: Beethoven9thAh, so there IS more to the story! I knew it.
?!?
So the warning was your idea, not his. That changes everything.
You're ordering him around, telling him how to do his job.
Quote: Beethoven9thShouldn't you have outgrown the pot phase about 30 years ago?!?
I think you're missing the point entirely. I think you're in denial.
Lots of people use marijuana or other "crimes" as a justification for this activity.
The problem has nothing to do with the crimes being used by the officials as part of the extortion process.
The problem is the extortion process itself.
Keep talking about marijuana, and you'll never understand the problem. In the future, it could be some other random thing that's the crime.
Marijuana just happens to be one of those things that is very easy to find (because it smells so much and has such a peculiar odor) that it is often used.
Nobody smells LSD in the car, you know. So that doesn't get used a lot.
Marijuana is pretty much harmless. The fact that it stinks so much is why law enforcement likes it so much because it's so easy to hone in on that as a justification for taking property and generating income. The cops LOVE marijuana because it's so easy to use as a way to get money for themselves from their victims.
I think it's probably the #1 justification for forfeiture, just wild-ass guessing. You can smell pot from a mile away, so take all their stuff if you smell it boys!!!
Huh?? What am I in denial about? Most people experiment with pot when they're young, and then they stop as they get older.Quote: AhighI think you're in denial.
Double huh?? The point is that I'm responding to the OP's initial post and subsequent comments.Quote: AhighI think you're missing the point entirely.
