Money Talks
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceAre the high rollers not smart enough to realize that $250/week is a better deal that 40% of tens of thousands?
I'm sure there is some basis for the dramatization, but the bet sizes are probably exaggerated. anyway, claiming you have huge clients "investing" large sums of money with you is just a typical boiler room tactic.
plus you don't really expect to get his best picks for only $250 a week.
Quote: Lemieux66I've seen people at the theatre bid $1500 on a sweaty shirt from Orlando Bloom.
Also $5000! On an autograph poster board with lyrics from a song from Frozen.
Bottom line people have money to burn.
I had to look up both Orlando Bloom and Frozen.
I wouldn't say that spending money on collectibles is the same thing. I am not shocked that people have money; I'm shocked that people this gullible have money. Or, at least, have any money left. Shouldn't the Nigerian email scammers have gotten all of it by now?
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceI had to look up both Orlando Bloom and Frozen.
I wouldn't say that spending money on collectibles is the same thing. I am not shocked that people have money; I'm shocked that people this gullible have money. Or, at least, have any money left. Shouldn't the Nigerian email scammers have gotten all of it by now?
i don't know.. it would be fairly interesting if someone could recommend a book or something that profiled casino whales.. would be interested to know to what degree it is smart people with impulse control problem versus math dummies.
Quote: chrisri don't know.. it would be fairly interesting if someone could recommend a book or something that profiled casino whales.. would be interested to know to what degree it is smart people with impulse control problem versus math dummies.
It's not the same as a casino whale, either.
Someone betting $10k on a hand of baccarat may not be dumber than the guy betting $100 on a hand of baccarat. He may just have 100x or more as much money as the smaller bettor, and may need to play those stakes in order for it to be interesting for him. They are getting the same odds, after all (in fact the big player may be getting better odds when loss rebates, etc are factored in).
This is more like someone who walks right past the single-zero roulette wheel, past the double-zero wheel, and insists on playing a wheel with 15 zeroes. They don't make wheels with 15 zeros because they figure that no one would be dumb enough to play them. But, maybe this guy's clients would give them some action...
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceAre the high rollers not smart enough to realize that $250/week is a better deal that 40% of tens of thousands?
On the show the high rollers get to hang out with Stevens - they showed them golfing together, watching the games together, going to place the bets together, etc. - and they are given the picks directly from Stevens. I assume the $250/week is just some phone line that people call in and that's it. I'm not saying it makes any sense, just that is what's portrayed.
"They are 5 and 1 against the spread."
This is the most useless information one can get from a sports tout.
Quote: AxelWolfWell know poker players get deals just like this.
Yes, I used to buy into certain tournament players at the World Poker Challenge in Reno. I pay 1/3'rd of the buy-in I get 25% of the cash.
Quote: mickeycrimmThe one line that sticks out to me from last night's show was actually said twice:
"They are 5 and 1 against the spread."
This is the most useless information one can get from a sports tout.
Yep,.....'OK we are going to go with team X. They have covered 12 of l6 when on the road, favored by more than 3 1/2, when kickoff temp is below freezing and team Y failed to cover in last game.'
Quote: treetopbuddyYep,.....'OK we are going to go with team X. They have covered 12 of l6 when on the road, favored by more than 3 1/2, when kickoff temp is below freezing and team Y failed to cover in last game.'
Brilliant!! I give the producers quedos for showing Stevens failing last night. I imagine that Stevens has absolutely no say in the editing.
He called me soon after and said he found a job working a sports touting agency here in town, but was not sure how it would work out, and to keep him in mind if i had extra stuff.
A few months later, he called and said, it was going ok for him. He was touting me a bit on the company and how good it was for him and how reputable they were it was the best and biggest in vegas yada, yada. He didn't ask me to sign up or bet. He said i'm sure you make your own picks. I think he knew, I knew it's was a scam racket . I didn't pay attention who owned or what the name of the place was.
Recently he called me (drunk and partying with coworkers, I think) he said, he was doing very, very well and said things were blowing up big. He wanted me to come party with him and meet his boss who's owner. He said, I know you wouldn't be interested in this yourself, but they wanted to work something out with me if I would send some big spots guys there way.
I was more interested in where the people made the bets or if they were booking the bets themselves. I told him I would be in no way interested in the service nor would I refer anyone, but I did see a opportunity.
Now I'm wondering if this is the place he was talking about? Are there more of these places in Vegas? I have yet to watch the show (Just a trailer).
The dude I was talking to was named Jerry. I don't recall a Jerry character from the show. Anyway, I told Jerry I wanted to deal with Steve Stevens directly. He wouldn't let me talk to Steve unless I gave credit card #. Eventually I told him to blow me.
Quote: HowManyI got drunk at home a couple days ago and decided to call VIP Sports just to f**k with them. I told the dude I lost my bankroll betting NCAA Tourney, and wanted to know if they could help me win it back.
The dude I was talking to was named Jerry. I don't recall a Jerry character from the show. Anyway, I told Jerry I wanted to deal with Steve Stevens directly. He wouldn't let me talk to Steve unless I gave credit card #. Eventually I told him to blow me.
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Quote: treetopbuddySad story about the sunken ferry off the S. Korean coast. I wonder how that effects Steve Stevens.
It depends on what the over/under was.
Things he says like you "have my word" make me sick knowing his word will just bring his clients broke and him rich.
Quote: DRichI don't know if others saw this or know who Denny Mason is, but he passed away last week. Rumor has it that he was the one running the company that Money Talks is based off of. He appeared in some episodes as just a salesman on the phone, but supposedly he was the one running/funding the operation and Notario (Stevens) worked for him. Denny was a very interesting Las Vegas character. I had the opportunity to hang out with him for a few days in New Orleans and I can tell you that he was a wealthy generous man that just liked to have fun and bet on anything.
Another example of Steve "Stevie" Stevens using OPM.
This is totally out of the blue. Wonder how they got my number?
from 760-675-2933. Is this a Vegas area code?
"Dallas/San Antonio is by far the strongest playoff game this year. You can count on it to win and cover very easily. Reply WIN and we'll text it totally free"
I figure, what the hell and text back "win"
response
"The sharps are absolutely unloading on San Antonio tonight. The Sharps are 4-0 so far in the playoffs. The Spurs will win and cover very easily."
Who are the "Sharps"?
I wonder what will happen if the Spurs win easily. Get a call with a pitch? I live in FL, I only bet on sports when I visit Vegas.
Quote: terapinedJust got this text on my phone.
This is totally out of the blue. Wonder how they got my number?
from 760-675-2933. Is this a Vegas area code?
"Dallas/San Antonio is by far the strongest playoff game this year. You can count on it to win and cover very easily. Reply WIN and we'll text it totally free"
I figure, what the hell and text back "win"
response
"The sharps are absolutely unloading on San Antonio tonight. The Sharps are 4-0 so far in the playoffs. The Spurs will win and cover very easily."
Who are the "Sharps"?
I wonder what will happen if the Spurs win easily. Get a call with a pitch? I live in FL, I only bet on sports when I visit Vegas.
The "Sharps" must be a family of terrible sports bettors. Spurs down 20, lol.
Quote: treetopbuddyCaught up on all the Money Talks episodes....I'm starting to like the guy. Testament to his salesmanship. Yeah, he's claiming 66% winners which makes him a sociopath.....but there is a side to the guy I like.
The dude could definitely sell a lot of used cars.
Quote: treetopbuddyCaught up on all the Money Talks episodes....I'm starting to like the guy. Testament to his salesmanship. Yeah, he's claiming 66% winners which makes him a sociopath.....but there is a side to the guy I like.
Which side, the 'con' or the 'artist'?
To a degree, I can get past the bs he throws around with his tout 'service'. Obviously he can't come close to the win % he claims and the outlandish commissions he charges make it impossible for anyone to win with him for any reasonable period of time/bets. But, it's the suckers money and who am I to tell somebody how they should spend their gambling bankroll.
But, given Stevens/Notaro was "sentenced to a year in prison at age 25 for a scheme that 'bilked elderly citizens across the nation out of at least $234,000,' according to the Las Vegas Sun", I have to put him toward the bottom of the human food chain.
Business Insider article
Las Vegas Sun article
At some point CNBC will be featuring him on American Greed
Quote: terapinedJust got this text on my phone.
This is totally out of the blue. Wonder how they got my number?
from 760-675-2933. Is this a Vegas area code?
"Dallas/San Antonio is by far the strongest playoff game this year. You can count on it to win and cover very easily. Reply WIN and we'll text it totally free"
I figure, what the hell and text back "win"
response
"The sharps are absolutely unloading on San Antonio tonight. The Sharps are 4-0 so far in the playoffs. The Spurs will win and cover very easily."
Who are the "Sharps"?
I wonder what will happen if the Spurs win easily. Get a call with a pitch? I live in FL, I only bet on sports when I visit Vegas.
Just got this text out of the blue from 619-203-3881.
Not sure if it is related to the above text I got couple years ago.
"I'm in the business to win and get paid after I prove that I'm worth paying Pittsburgh/Washington. Reply FAIR and I'll absolutely text it to you absolutely free and future winners as well."
Hmm, cant hurt to text fair back. Lets see who he picks.
Quote: terapinedJust got this text out of the blue from 619-203-3881.
Not sure if it is related to the above text I got couple years ago.
"I'm in the business to win and get paid after I prove that I'm worth paying Pittsburgh/Washington. Reply FAIR and I'll absolutely text it to you absolutely free and future winners as well."
Hmm, cant hurt to text fair back. Lets see who he picks.
Could that be a spoof or whatever they call it? That number comes back to a business in Amity, Oregon.
Quote: 1BBCould that be a spoof or whatever they call it? That number comes back to a business in Amity, Oregon.
His response
I'm gonna send it to you completely free but first tell me whats your 1st name and how much you can get on it
I texted back, ED and not sure how much to bet
His response
How much can you fire on this game?
Me
Give me a winner and I may bet on your next pick
Quote: terapinedHis response
I'm gonna send it to you completely free but first tell me whats your 1st name and how much you can get on it
I texted back, ED and not sure how much to bet
His response
How much can you fire on this game?
Me
Give me a winner and I may bet on your next pick
As soon as the mystery texter actually mentions 'bet' or 'wager' they have violated the Wire Act. It will be interesting to see how this turns out.
Quote: AyecarumbaAs soon as the mystery texter actually mentions 'bet' or 'wager' they have violated the Wire Act. It will be interesting to see how this turns out.
He just sent me the original text 3 times.
He's unorganized and just phishing.
Send him a text for giggles, he may give you his pick for free. now I am curious regarding tonights baseball game
Instead of bet or wager, he uses "fire"
Quote: AyecarumbaAs soon as the mystery texter actually mentions 'bet' or 'wager' they have violated the Wire Act. It will be interesting to see how this turns out.
So they can sell picks but they are not allowed to actually say either of those words?
They are pretty much unnecessary; what else would one do if you had a supposedly hot pick on the winner?
One of the guys in our office uses one of these services. From the way he is always trying to make more money, I doubt they pick winners for him! Now he loses twice--the money he bets and the money he pays for the lousy picks. He talks about a good run he had one time, which is the hook for most of us when it comes to be lured in to gambling more. He's looking for that next good run...
Quote: RonCSo they can sell picks but they are not allowed to actually say either of those words?
They are pretty much unnecessary; what else would one do if you had a supposedly hot pick on the winner?
One of the guys in our office uses one of these services. From the way he is always trying to make more money, I doubt they pick winners for him! Now he loses twice--the money he bets and the money he pays for the lousy picks. He talks about a good run he had one time, which is the hook for most of us when it comes to be lured in to gambling more. He's looking for that next good run...
This reminds me of the racetrack.
Many years ago was at the track with my buddy.
We looking at the form regarding the next race.
Some old guy comes over to my buddy to start a conversation.
He then tells my buddy horse number 2 next race, its a lock.
My buddy studies the form looking at number 2.
The guy says "I'll be over there after the race" and points to a corner and walks away.
My buddy turns to me and says WTF, why do I care where he is after the race.
I tell my buddy if you bet on 2 and win, he wants a peice and thats why he told you where he will be.
