s2dbaker
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March 24th, 2013 at 7:49:18 PM permalink
I was working on some simulations for Roulette when I noticed something. I was able to adjust my bankroll and betting numbers to beat the house edge of %5.263157. This makes no sense to me so I'm going to throw it out there and see what the Math people think. Here are the rules:

Start with a bankroll of $540
Betting $10 on a single number each spin and no other bets, keep betting until your bankroll is greater than $540 or you hit 120 spins (about 4 hours) or you walk away with nothing.

In the spoiler is my simulated results. I ran this many times and came up with very tight numbers. The losing percentage is %3.36 instead of the expected %5.26 or more.

What am I missing?


WinningsTotal Count of This ResultAverage Number of SpinsPercentage
062096659.921928.388665307654
60234601201.072519410269
42082791200.378490545508
5502851942.95131.303801409270
5602985641.84361.364924957928
5703009141.08631.375668438807
5803120540.13331.426597109866
5903175738.98631.451832860696
6003245738.0171.483834718632
6103398036.92781.553461618114
6203442335.90221.573714222494
6303552435.05451.624048573334
6403625434.00251.657421939468
6503767333.15311.722294277199
6603851132.13931.760605072843
6703912831.05331.788812424767
6804072529.92491.861822377802
6904192729.09261.916774139572
7004295427.93181.963725436859
7104395127.00422.009305225949
7204449325.71012.034083807379
7304547824.17742.079114993190
7404631522.89692.117380071894
7504670021.66272.134981093759
7604760020.25392.176126339677
7704871018.68642.226872142976
7804935817.92542.256496720038
7905039816.49242.304042337543
8005140914.92082.350262163791
8105168813.52582.363017190026
8205247612.10592.399042138675
8305369810.62292.454908239244
840543619.144312.485218570403
850550637.630882.517311862220
860558046.190812.551188114692
870564864.635382.582367067710
880574943.131462.628449743139
890582021.570912.660817336595


By the way, %70 of the time, you will walk away from the table a winner.

edit: After some more fine tuning, I got the loss down to %2.06. the rules for that are
Bankroll: $1440
Play until you a: lose it all b: reach 152 spins or if after a win, your bankroll is larger than $1440
Someday, joor goin' to see the name of Googie Gomez in lights and joor goin' to say to joorself, "Was that her?" and then joor goin' to answer to joorself, "That was her!" But you know somethin' mister? I was always her yuss nobody knows it! - Googie Gomez
7craps
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March 24th, 2013 at 8:14:18 PM permalink
You are missing your net$ column and total $wagered column

Your data looks right to me.
Seems to me you are not calculating the house edge
trying to mix in win/lose percentages

house edge = $net / total$wagered
I get (from your data)
$net = -$39,643,330
total$wagered = $743,223,214
he = -0.053339736 *100 = -5.3339736%

very close to -2/38
winsome johnny (not Win some johnny)
s2dbaker
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March 24th, 2013 at 8:25:29 PM permalink
Quote: 7craps

You are missing your net$ column and total $wagered column

Your data looks right to me.
Seems to me you are not calculating the house edge
trying to mix in win/lose percentages

house edge = $net / total$wagered
I get (from your data)
$net = -$39,643,330
total$wagered = $743,223,214
he = -0.053339736 *100 = -5.3339736%

very close to -2/38

My calculation for total bet is incorrect. Thanks. Once I straightened that out, it all fell into place.
Someday, joor goin' to see the name of Googie Gomez in lights and joor goin' to say to joorself, "Was that her?" and then joor goin' to answer to joorself, "That was her!" But you know somethin' mister? I was always her yuss nobody knows it! - Googie Gomez
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March 24th, 2013 at 8:55:51 PM permalink
Quote: s2dbaker

edit: After some more fine tuning, I got the loss down to %2.06. the rules for that are
Bankroll: $1440
Play until you a: lose it all b: reach 152 spins or if after a win, your bankroll is larger than $1440

That 2.06% looks to be your bust rate.

What about the 5% sessions ending bankroll of $280
7.8% at $640 and so on. About 22% or so look to be losing sessions.

Good you found an error.
I do that a lot myself
winsome johnny (not Win some johnny)
s2dbaker
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March 25th, 2013 at 2:30:28 AM permalink
Quote: 7craps

That 2.06% looks to be your bust rate.

What about the 5% sessions ending bankroll of $280
7.8% at $640 and so on. About 22% or so look to be losing sessions.

Good you found an error.
I do that a lot myself

A second set of eyes always helps.

Yes, 22% are losing and the rest are winning. My goal was to calculate an outcome most likely to produce a winner while also providing at least a few dozen spins. A friend of mine plays roulette and I wanted to show him that he could walk away a winner most of the time and still have enough spins for a fun evening of gambling. He likes to bet red and black and single numbers. I had some "data" that was pointing to a lower than expected loss so I thought I'd bring the question here.
Someday, joor goin' to see the name of Googie Gomez in lights and joor goin' to say to joorself, "Was that her?" and then joor goin' to answer to joorself, "That was her!" But you know somethin' mister? I was always her yuss nobody knows it! - Googie Gomez
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