Obamacare
the domino effect continues
its far from over
there are consequences to obamacare
"The U.S. Affordable Care Act software was written in part in Belarus by software developers under state control, and that makes the software a potential target for cyber attacks,” one official said.
Belarus?? They hate the US, lets go there for
our software. Now they think Belarus inserted
malware into the system to grab info from
people who sign up, to steal their identity.
That's the cottage industry in that part of
the old Soviet Union. Who was in charge
of Obamacare, the Three Stooges?
I think this part is telling from the article. It's the first paragraphQuote: LarryShttp://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-anthem-health-rates-20140131,0,5252164.story#axzz2sJPHNmTS
the domino effect continues
its far from over
there are consequences to obamacare
Imagine that! Policies that were untouched by Obamacare are skyrocketing. Thank goodness that the people of California who had those old crappy policies untouched by Obamacare can now have an alternative in the Obamacare marketplace where they can get affordable health insurance and not have to worry about pre-existing conditions or getting kicked off of their plans if they do get sick.Quote: LATimesThousands of Anthem Blue Cross individual customers with older insurance policies untouched by Obamacare are getting some jarring news: Their premiums are going up as much as 25%.
Quote: EvenBobStudebaker made crappy cars, that's why people
stopped buying them and why they went out of
business. The only good vehicle they ever made
was the workhorse of WWII, the Studebaker
2.5 ton army truck. They saved Russia's ass in
WWII, they would have lost the war without
them.
Convertible Super Hawks with the supercharged engine were pretty nice.
Quote: s2dbakerI think this part is telling from the article. It's the first paragraph
Imagine that! Policies that were untouched by Obamacare are skyrocketing. Thank goodness that the people of California who had those old crappy policies untouched by Obamacare can now have an alternative in the Obamacare marketplace where they can get affordable health insurance and not have to worry about pre-existing conditions or getting kicked off of their plans if they do get sick.Quote: LATimesThousands of Anthem Blue Cross individual customers with older insurance policies untouched by Obamacare are getting some jarring news: Their premiums are going up as much as 25%.
correct..they can keep their policies that they love for a much higher rate...or trade it in for a cheaper policy that has less coverage/more expensive copays and deductables. Maybe even less doctors in the network
if they want to keep the type of coverage that they were used to all the past years...they are going to pay....and pay dearly.
goodbye old all inclusive policy that we are used to for the past 10 years
hello obamacare
Quote: EvenBobWho was in charge of Obamacare, the Three Stooges?
Barry, Joe, and Kathy...lol
This soap opera babe is a perfect example of stupidity in America today. She criticizes Obamacare, but then she goes on to blame....................the GOP!?!? *facepalm*
I'm telling everyone right now, there are a lot of naive conservatives out there who believe that Dems will automatically get blamed for Obamacare's failures. Whether or not that in fact happens is anyone's guess, but it definitely won't be automatic. As long as there are 65 million low information voters out there, ANYTHING is possible.
Quote: EvenBobIt just gets better and better.
"The U.S. Affordable Care Act software was written in part in Belarus by software developers under state control, and that makes the software a potential target for cyber attacks,” one official said.
This is just one more example of what happens when you elect a guy with no experience managing anything and he then surrounds himself with academics who themselves have no experience running things. And you can bet the same group ridiculed Romney for "firing people and off-shoring jobs.)
I was talking to my brother-in-law this weekend and he told me about an emergency in Indiana. His company makes limestone and other products needed for coal-fired plants. With the snow the plant ran short so the state had snow plows and cops escorting the trucks carrying the limestone, the entire convoy the only things legally on the interstates. My reaction was "that is what a leader (presumably the governor) does" and this is the kind of operation Obama could never put together. He simply would not understand how to do it. And the people around him would not understand. They would be busy saying how instead of coal we should be using renewables so such an emergency doesn't happen.
How much more of this will we find?
Quote: timberjimQuote: Beethoven9thIn rural Georgia, federal health insurance marketplace proves unaffordable to many
So affordable...lol
+++1000
This is exactly what I was talking about earlier in this thread about what is going on here in Georgia.
Hee haw: The story says this!
Quote: same damn storyOne hospital system dominates the area, leaving little competition. Only one insurer is offering policies in the online marketplace, and many physicians are not participating, limiting consumer choice.
And later:
Quote: Huh?Many insurance brokers and residents place the blame for high premiums on the expanding Phoebe Putney Health System, the nonprofit group that runs six hospitals in southwestern Georgia. The Federal Trade Commission and Georgia’s attorney general unsuccessfully tried to reverse Phoebe’s 2012 acquisition of Palmyra Park Hospital in Albany because it made the system so dominant that they said Phoebe could essentially dictate prices. In a settlement, Phoebe was allowed to hold on to Palmyra, giving it 86 percent of the regional health-care market.
This is an illustration that despite there being a marketplace, there is no market. So much for competition.
Quote: boymimboHee haw: The story says this!
You missed the whole point..........which is that Obamacare doesn't help this guy out one bit, regardless of what supporters say.
Quote: AZDuffmanThis is just one more example of what happens when you elect a guy with no experience managing anything and he then surrounds himself with academics who themselves have no experience running things. And you can bet the same group ridiculed Romney for "firing people and off-shoring jobs.)
I was talking to my brother-in-law this weekend and he told me about an emergency in Indiana. His company makes limestone and other products needed for coal-fired plants. With the snow the plant ran short so the state had snow plows and cops escorting the trucks carrying the limestone, the entire convoy the only things legally on the interstates. My reaction was "that is what a leader (presumably the governor) does" and this is the kind of operation Obama could never put together. He simply would not understand how to do it. And the people around him would not understand. They would be busy saying how instead of coal we should be using renewables so such an emergency doesn't happen.
How much more of this will we find?
You don't think obama would help get materials to production for coal fired plants? Rush-believing Fox News-watching make-things-upper.
Quote: anonimussYou don't think obama would help get materials to production for coal fired plants? Rush-believing Fox News-watching make-things-upper.
No, what I said is neither he nor his advisors have the experience or understanding that when a coal plant needs this kind of item if they do not get it they do not operate. And I likewise believe none of them would understand making such a convoy work.
If you want proof look at the gulf oil blowout. Instead of sending roughnecks who know how to drill, Obama send academics and lawyers. Instead of figuring how to stop the spill he was concerned with "finding out who's ass to kick."
Obama and his circle do not understand the real world outside the Faculty Lounge is what I am saying.
on the Left, showing Nancy Pelosi for the fraud she
is. The whole interview showed stunning ignorance
of Pelosi's part.
Quote: KeyserCONGRESSIONAL BUDGET OFFICE ISSUES grim revised 10-year projection on the economic impact of ObamaCare, predicting that 2.5 million Americans will abandon full-time work — allowing employers to eliminate 2.3 million full-time jobs. -Source FoxNews
Timely post, just got back from my welding class. The instructor is spinning together three jobs because two schools he teaches at will not put any faculty on full time because of Obamacare mandates. He knows a few other instructors in the same boat.
Quote: AZDuffmanTimely post, just got back from my welding class. The instructor is spinning together three jobs because two schools he teaches at will not put any faculty on full time because of Obamacare mandates. He knows a few other instructors in the same boat.
Obamacare can't even be called a disaster anymore,
it's far bigger than a disaster. It's a calamity.
Merriam‑Webster
'Calamity: an event that causes great harm and suffering.'
This is an ongoing event, a snowball rolling downhill in
slow motion. I've been laughing at it, but this is turning
into no joke. The AF major son is thinking of retiring
early to the private sector because Obama is squeezing
the military in so many directions. Stuff we the public
never hear about. He's quite alarmed and wants out.
at practice level where I am, I hear the complaints daily. The sticker shock as the prescription copays have increased. Hearing stories where people had their premiums reduced by 50-100 dollars a month, but their prescriptions are costing them 200 dollars extra a month.
Obama was right... premiums are down. People now pay less......and get less in return. If they want plans like they used to have...they will pay alot more.
Just like the folks in california blue cross that faced 25 percent increases on their current policy. Forcing them to get a policy with less coverage for cheaper premiums.
There is no free lunch. If you pay cheaper premiums...you get cheaper coverage....meaning you pay more for services.
Obamacare is a great benefit for people who dont use medical care and may not need it for a while.They can indeed pay less premiums, and dont give a crap if an MRI will cost them 250.00, or some prescriptions cost 90 dollars......they wont need those services for years.
ObamaCARE is great....as long as you dont need CARE...as long as you dont use medical services.
Quote: KeyserCONGRESSIONAL BUDGET OFFICE ISSUES grim revised 10-year projection on the economic impact of ObamaCare, predicting that 2.5 million Americans will abandon full-time work — allowing employers to eliminate 2.3 million full-time jobs. -Source FoxNews
Yet some around here "feel great" and want to tell us that this is the greatest thing since sliced bread. The President and the House Minority Leader simply avoid as much blame as possible and do nothing about this problem they created...and there are people who are just as guilty of allowing this disaster to continue by not asking them to fix it who say "well it was a Republican idea..." as there best defense of the whole thing.
Obamacare was brought to you by the President and the Democrats. Thanks, folks!
Indeed, Thank you, President Obama and Nancy Pelosi for Obamacare. According to the CBO, 2.5 million Americans will no longer feel obligated to work full-time until they reach the age of Medicare eligibility as a direct result of Obamacare. Obamacare will empower employees by making affordable health insurance available to individuals.Quote: RonCObamacare was brought to you by the President and the Democrats. Thanks, folks!
Quote: s2dbakerIndeed, Thank you, President Obama and Nancy Pelosi for Obamacare. According to the CBO, 2.5 million Americans will no longer feel obligated to work full-time until they reach the age of Medicare eligibility as a direct result of Obamacare. Obamacare will empower employees by making affordable health insurance available to individuals.
Yes, we cannot have people thinking they should be working full-time now can we.
BTW, S2, how are you enjoying the Obamacare policy you told us you were so happy to buy?
Quote: RonCsome around here "feel great" and want to tell us that this is the greatest thing since sliced bread.
The rest of the clueless libs think it's the best thing since night baseball, Gotta be good then with such a majority...;-(
I was made an offer by the place I was consulting for to come on full-time. I ended up not purchasing the Obamacare policy. Sadly, I did not have the opportunity to enjoy the Obamacare policy that I was so happy to buy.Quote: AZDuffmanBTW, S2, how are you enjoying the Obamacare policy you told us you were so happy to buy?
Unfortunately, there are 65 million low information voters out there who don't give a rat's a**. As long as Dems support things like gay marriage, the low information voter will think things are just peachy.Quote: RonCObamacare was brought to you by the President and the Democrats.
Exhibit A: Democrats see same-sex marriage as issue that will mobilize voters
Quote: s2dbakerI was made an offer by the place I was consulting for to come on full-time. I ended up not purchasing the Obamacare policy. Sadly, I did not have the opportunity to enjoy the Obamacare policy that I was so happy to buy.
Too bad you were not able to negotiate a deal where they just paid you in cash instead of paying for the policy.
Though under Obamacare such a deal may not be allowed.
Quote: anonimussWant some insight into how a liberal thinks? Ask them where the government gets all the money it spends. Too bad we can't do a Vulcan mind meld on liberals. You'd get something resembling a psychedelic poster.
Better yet ask them where the rich get their money:
"Where do 'the rich' get their money?"
"They steal it from the poor!"
"If the poor don't have any money, how do the so-called rich steal it from them?
"uh,......HALIBURTON!"
Quote: AZDuffmanBetter yet ask them where the rich get their money:
"Where do 'the rich' get their money?"
"They steal it from the poor!"
"If the poor don't have any money, how do the so-called rich steal it from them?
"uh,......HALIBURTON!"
Yeah, that's what liberals think...
In the end, according to the logic, more liberals will be working while conservatives sit at home and figure out that life as a liberal won't be so bad and they'll end up voting for president Clinton in 3 years.
What wonderful crafty logic Obama has, eh?
Source: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/02/05/budget-office-chief-obamacare-creates-disincentive-to-work/
Quote: boymimboYeah, that's what liberals think...
Actually, libs love talking about how Republicans are Robin Hoods in reverse.
Case in point: Obama: Romney tax plan is "Robin Hood in reverse"
month for Obamacare and the rest is paid for
with a 'subsidy'. When you tell them that's the
same as food stamps, that indeed food stamps
are a subsidy, and it's paid for by your neighbors
the tax payers, they look at you like you've lost
your mind.
They really think gov't money comes from a secret
place, not the people who live next door to them.
We probably would have been better off just giving the uninsured a million dollars each.
Quote: KeyserWe aren't going to have much of an economy left after this administration leaves. ObamaCare is trashing it.
Wait till they find they can't get the malware out of
the system that Belarus planted there. People are
already complaining their identities have been stolen
after using healthcare.org
Quote: s2dbakerIndeed, Thank you, President Obama and Nancy Pelosi for Obamacare. According to the CBO, 2.5 million Americans will no longer feel obligated to work full-time until they reach the age of Medicare eligibility as a direct result of Obamacare. Obamacare will empower employees by making affordable health insurance available to individuals.
This is great news!
Are you freaking kidding me? The CBO just raised the cost (in jobs) of this monstrosity and we really think it is going to survive anywhere close to as generous as it is until everyone turn Medicare aged? Nope, only fools believe that. The working people who pay the taxes will have to continue to work to pay the taxes so that others can live even better on the government dime. Their policy costs will increase and force them to work longer than projected now because we still have to somehow pay for the unfunded obligations of Obamacare.
In fantasyland, Obamacare is a great thing. In the real world, it is either a very flawed program or a total disaster...thinking it is anything less than the former is just denying reality.
Sure, it will help some people. The problem is that it will hurt many more than can't afford to be hurt a lot more than it will help those peope.
Quote: RonC
In fantasyland, Obamacare is a great thing. In the real world, it is either a very flawed program or a total disaster...thinking it is anything less than the former is just denying reality.
When it comes to Obamacare, Liberals are like the kid rooting through the pile of manure on Christmas Morning, figuring with all the manure there must be a pony in there somewhere. The real delusional ones think it will lead to single payer and that said single payer will somehow allow them all the free health care they can stand to use. Explaining that control economies always lead to shortages is no help, they keep rooting in the manure.
Quote: RonCThis is great news!
Are you freaking kidding me? The CBO just raised the cost (in jobs) of this monstrosity and we really think it is going to survive anywhere close to as generous as it is until everyone turn Medicare aged? Nope, only fools believe that..
The "cost" in jobs wasn't increased that implies people want to work and aren't. What the CBO report says is roughly the equivalent of 2.5 million full time worker years will be lost per year, this maybe from a larger number of workers cutting hours not just 2.5 million people not working. Now you can argue that ACA is costing 2.5 million workers worth of productivity and that has negative side effects, and that can be debated but it is a lie to say 2.5 million jobs are being lost. Argue from what the facts actually tell you not what you want them to tell you.
Conservatives believe what they want and no amount of facts will sway them from their firmly embedded ignorance. They wallow in ignorance. They wear it as a badge of honor. They compete to see who can claim to be the most ignorant and reality deprived. All that's left for the rest of us is to treat them like the children they so need to be.Quote: TwirdmanArgue from what the facts actually tell you not what you want them to tell you.
Quote: s2dbakerConservatives believe what they want and no amount of facts will sway them from their firmly embedded ignorance. They wallow in ignorance. They wear it as a badge of honor. They compete to see who can claim to be the most ignorant and reality deprived. All that's left for the rest of us is to treat them like the children they so need to be.
Those darned "facts" are even worse than what I first understood...they didn't say 2.5 million people would lose their jobs (bad); they said over two million would stop working or looking for jobs (according to a liberal-leaning source):
"More than 2 million Americans who would otherwise rely on a job for health insurance will quit working, reduce their hours or stop looking for employment because of new health benefits available under the Affordable Care Act, congressional budget analysts said Tuesday."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/cbo-botched-health-care-law-rollout-will-reduce-signups-by-1-million-people/2014/02/04/c78577d0-8dac-11e3-98ab-fe5228217bd1_story.html
Why is that "worse"? Well, someone is going to have to take care of those folks that decide, because of the ACA, to stop working, reduce their hours, or stop looking for employment. Of course they'll still get their Obamacare policies--the rest of us (a shrinking pool of people) will just have to pay more to cover the costs of it.
We need more people working, not the same or less. We've stopped counting a lot of people as anything and that is not a good thing as we are paying for a lot of things for many of them.
Liberals calling conservatives ignorant is pretty funny. We may make mistakes or hear the story a different way when reported by different sources, but that isn't ignorance at all. Calling us names will neither fix anything or make us go away. Sorry.
I wish that it was just ignorance that conservatives were afflicted with but it's deeper than that. It's willful ignorance. Take the post above. Instead of seeing the fact that 2 million Americans will be free to move on to early retirement or feel emboldened to start their own businesses because they no longer have to rely on an employer to provide their health insurance, conservatives see this as a bad thing. That's willful and dangerous ignorance that is hurtful to our country.Quote: RonCLiberals calling conservatives ignorant is pretty funny. We may make mistakes or hear the story a different way when reported by different sources, but that isn't ignorance at all. Calling us names will neither fix anything or make us go away. Sorry.
Quote: RonC
Liberals calling conservatives ignorant is pretty funny. We may make mistakes or hear the story a different way when reported by different sources, but that isn't ignorance at all. Calling us names will neither fix anything or make us go away. Sorry.
Actually that is basically the definition of ignorance. You were ignorant of the facts of the CBO report. The CBO report said something very specific and you said it said something else so there are two explanations either you are ignorant of what it actually says or you were deliberately misleading. I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and say OK you were ignorant and you appear to have remedied that by reading hat it actually said. Now we can have a discussion about this, but don't try to pretend you weren't ignorant when you were.
Quote: s2dbakerI wish that it was just ignorance that conservatives were afflicted with but it's deeper than that. It's willful ignorance. Take the post above. Instead of seeing the fact that 2 million Americans will be free to move on to early retirement or feel emboldened to start their own businesses because they no longer have to rely on an employer to provide their health insurance, conservatives see this as a bad thing. That's willful and dangerous ignorance that is hurtful to our country.
Yes, it is a bad thing when 2 million more people decide not to work. We have enough people under Obama refusing to work already. The cart has too many people riding in it already, this is 2 million more no longer pulling it and getting in and riding.
Quote: AZDuffmanYes, it is a bad thing when 2 million more people decide not to work. We have enough people under Obama refusing to work already. The cart has too many people riding in it already, this is 2 million more no longer pulling it and getting in and riding.
Any data backing this up? And remember, the plural of anecdote isn't data.
Quote: ams288Quote: AZDuffmanYes, it is a bad thing when 2 million more people decide not to work. We have enough people under Obama refusing to work already. The cart has too many people riding in it already, this is 2 million more no longer pulling it and getting in and riding.
Any data backing this up? And remember, the plural of anecdote isn't data.
Try food stamp recipients. Try 99 weeks of unemployment compensation. Try the real unemployment numbers, not the obama cooked book numbers. Try opening your eyes.
Quote: anonimussQuote: ams288Quote: AZDuffmanYes, it is a bad thing when 2 million more people decide not to work. We have enough people under Obama refusing to work already. The cart has too many people riding in it already, this is 2 million more no longer pulling it and getting in and riding.
Any data backing this up? And remember, the plural of anecdote isn't data.
Try food stamp recipients. Try 99 weeks of unemployment compensation. Try the real unemployment numbers, not the obama cooked book numbers. Try opening your eyes.
Try providing actual data. Lol
That's not going to happen. I admire your patience.Quote: ams288Try providing actual data. Lol
