Obamacare
Quote: boymimboThey don't get the same jobs due to preferential treatment by their prospective employers (*footrub*)
What does that have to do with pay? You keep talking generalities (which is easier to manipulate). I'm talking specifics. When men and women have the exact same job doing the exact same work and putting in the exact same hours, guess what? They get paid the same!
Quote: Beethoven9thWhat does that have to do with pay? You keep talking generalities (which is easier to manipulate). I'm talking specifics. When men and women have the exact same job doing the exact same work and putting in the exact same hours, guess what? They get paid the same!
And that is where the liberal argument on equal pay falls apart. They say, "women make less than men!" So you ask them to show where women are making less than men for the same job. So they say, "well, for the same job they get paid the same but the secretary makes less than the driver and that is not fair; the woman who gets a marketing MBA makes less than the guy who took a finance MBA and that isn't fair; the woman who took 3 years off to have kids makes less than the guy who stayed around and that isn't fair; the guy who took 2 transfers makes more than the woman who didn't want to move and that isn't fair.
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Quote: Beethoven9thWhat does that have to do with pay? You keep talking generalities (which is easier to manipulate). I'm talking specifics. When men and women have the exact same job doing the exact same work and putting in the exact same hours, guess what? They get paid the same!
Tell that to a lawyer, or an accountant, or any other professional worker, and they'll disagree with you.
Or tell that to a pregnant women who doesn't have a guarantee that they'll have the same job when returning from their 12 week leave.
Or ask the female college graduate. Females outnumber males by a factor of 6:5 and have higher marks, yet are routinely discriminated against during job interviews.
Quote: boymimboTell that to a lawyer, or an accountant, or any other professional worker, and they'll disagree with you.
Or tell that to a pregnant women who doesn't have a guarantee that they'll have the same job when returning from their 12 week leave.
Or ask the female college graduate. Females outnumber males by a factor of 6:5 and have higher marks, yet are routinely discriminated against during job interviews.
What does any of that have to do with your earlier statement? If you want to debate discrimination in regards to hiring decisions, then that's fine, but you specifically said earlier that men and women don't get paid the same. That's false.
A pregnant woman and a middle-aged man in the exact same position doing the exact same work for the exact same amount of hours get the exact SAME pay.
I'll leave it there.
Quote: boymimboThose are all sources of pay inequity.
No, they're not. For example, they don't take into account the simple fact that pregnant women do NOT work the same amount of hours as men do. So of course they're gonna get paid less. No one is going to receive the same pay for doing less work.
Quote: Beethoven9thNo, they're not. For example, they don't take into account the simple fact that pregnant women do NOT work the same amount of hours as men do. So of course they're gonna get paid less. No one is going to receive the same pay for doing less work.
Haven't you heard or noticed? Liberals stopped saying "Equal pay for Equal work." Now they just want "equal pay." The quality or quantity of work no longer matters.
People outside of the US shake their head when they learn that only 60% of women (employers with less than 50 EEs aren't subject to this requirement, and you must work a minimum of 1250 hours in the past year, which excludes most parttimers) are covered by this provision in the United States and the leave is a scant 12 weeks.
Quote: boymimboA progressive society recognizes the value of having healthy and strong babies and therefore makes sure that women who get pregnant aren't penalized for having kids. For example, here in Canada, jobs are protected and maternity/parental leave lasts for 50 weeks (you can't get a demotion or get fired for having a baby). Good employers will bump up pay for maternity leave and cover most of the difference between what EI (Employer Insurance) provides and your actually get paid. Here, the father can take up to 35 weeks off for parental leave to take care of the kid. This policy only betters society.
35 weeks of paid vacation for the father? Crazy. Who is going to pay for all of that? Same with 50 weeks for the mother.
Quote:People outside of the US shake their head when they learn that only 60% of women (employers with less than 50 EEs aren't subject to this requirement, and you must work a minimum of 1250 hours in the past year, which excludes most parttimers) are covered by this provision in the United States and the leave is a scant 12 weeks.
This is because the USA is not yet a socialist country. 12 weeks is plenty. 100 years ago women were back working in a week. A year off is insane.
Quote: BoymimboOr tell that to a pregnant women who doesn't have a guarantee that they'll have the same job when returning from their 12 week leave.
The woman should decide whether it's more important to have a baby or more important to keep her job. If she'd like to keep her job and have a baby, then her first priority should be to find a replacement that she can pay to work for her until she returns to work.
Quote: boymimboBecause the father has nothing to do with the mother getting pregnant?
He does, which is why he belongs at work to support the family instead of taking a 35 week vacation at the expense of others and the inconvenience and cost to his employer.
Quote: AZDuffmanHe does, which is why he belongs at work to support the family instead of taking a 35 week vacation at the expense of others and the inconvenience and cost to his employer.
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(1) Raising a child is not a vacation. It's an investment in your child. In Canada, the government supports this initiative by offering tax credits and employment insurance benefits which everyone who is employed pays into (about 1.8%/check) to the tune of up to $720/year.
(2) All studies have shown that it is far better for the parent to raise the child rather than using a third party (daycare) or even another family member, which is why governments encourage maternity leave for new mothers.
(3) The United States is one of about 4 countries in the WORLD that doesn't offer paid maternity benefits. Other countries: Swaziland, Papua-New Guinea, and Lesotho.
Perhaps this is the reason why the United States is raising such crappy children. I thought republicans were pro-family. Why is the law anti-family?
Yeah, and we're still the best country in the WORLD.Quote: boymimbo(3) The United States is one of about 4 countries in the WORLD that doesn't offer paid maternity benefits.
Insane liberal policies hurt children more.Quote: boymimboPerhaps this is the reason why the United States is raising such crappy children.
Quote: boymimboWe're off topic here, but a few things here.
(1) Raising a child is not a vacation. It's an investment in your child. In Canada, the government supports this initiative by offering tax credits and employment insurance benefits which everyone who is employed pays into (about 1.8%/check) to the tune of up to $720/year.
(2) All studies have shown that it is far better for the parent to raise the child rather than using a third party (daycare) or even another family member, which is why governments encourage maternity leave for new mothers.
(3) The United States is one of about 4 countries in the WORLD that doesn't offer paid maternity benefits. Other countries: Swaziland, Papua-New Guinea, and Lesotho.
Perhaps this is the reason why the United States is raising such crappy children. I thought republicans were pro-family. Why is the law anti-family?
Yeah but we have the biggest nuclear arsenal so your arguments are moot.
Quote: djatcYeah but we have the biggest nuclear arsenal so your arguments are moot.
My dad can whoop your dad.
Quote: FaceMy dad can whoop your dad.
But I have a nicer car then you. According to TK it's all about the car you drive.
Quote: djatcBut I have a nicer car then you. According to TK it's all about the car you drive.
Your car is "gay". Mine denotes small penis and/or relations with my sister. Mayhap we should quit this little game and get back to Obamacare...
Quote: boymimboWe're off topic here, but a few things here.
(1) Raising a child is not a vacation. It's an investment in your child. In Canada, the government supports this initiative by offering tax credits and employment insurance benefits which everyone who is employed pays into (about 1.8%/check) to the tune of up to $720/year.
Paid time off is a paid vacation. What you do with it is your business. Don't pick my pocket for it.
Quote:Perhaps this is the reason why the United States is raising such crappy children. I thought republicans were pro-family. Why is the law anti-family?
The law is not anti family. Stealing $720 per year from a working man means he can give that much less to his own family.
Obama is about to tell me how I need to sign up for his healthcare plan.
You guys gotta believe the NSA is all over these Obama posts right?
I gotta believe they tapped in to anything that refrences Obama.
Wait I have to reboot my I phone,But you NSA guys already knew that.
KB1
Quote: KB1
You guys gotta believe the NSA is all over these Obama posts right?
Just because there is always a black Econoline van in my rear view mirror why should I worry?
I hope I end up on one of those islands where you can't leave but live in relative comfort because your mind is too valuable to waste.
I have the best car so you all lose!Quote: djatcBut I have a nicer car then you. According to TK it's all about the car you drive.
Click for Biggering
edit: found one:
Quote: s2dbakerI have the best car so you all lose!
Race you for pinks.
Quote: s2dbakerDid anybody get a set of State of the Union bingo cards for tonight? Those are always funzy.
edit: found one:
Middle square should say "free"
Quote: boymimboA progressive society recognizes the value of having healthy and strong babies and therefore makes sure that women who get pregnant aren't penalized for having kids.
Lmao The abortion party "now wants strong healthy babies".
Yup. Tibet, Nambia, Mozambique, Burma and Burkina Faso, not to mention Malawi, Ethiopia and Zimbabwe, are just some of those countries so vastly superior to the U.S. in this field. Just as the international "experts" so consistently find them in so many other areas. It's no wonder why so many illegal immigrants are flocking to those bastions of superior benefits and care.Quote: boymimbo(3) The United States is one of about 4 countries in the WORLD that doesn't offer paid maternity benefits. Other countries: Swaziland, Papua-New Guinea, and Lesotho.
In the sordid tradition of that great eugenicist Margaret Sanger.Quote: anonimussLmao The abortion party "now wants strong healthy babies".
You're a two-bit piker. Some of us rate at least a couple of those big black GMC Suburbans.Quote: AZDuffmanJust because there is always a black Econoline van in my rear view mirror why should I worry?
If you drive a Studebaker then they get carbon-monoxide poisoning while tailing you and then they have to pull over for some air!Quote: SanchoPanzaYou're a two-bit piker. Some of us rate at least a couple of those big black GMC Suburbans.
What do you got and do we get style points? If so, I don't want the East German judge to participate.Quote: FaceRace you for pinks.
Quote: BoyimboBecause the father has nothing to do with the mother getting pregnant?
Are you serious?
Women decide when to become pregnant, whether to have a baby, and whether or not they would like the baby to have a father. They can go out and get pregnant via a fertility clinic - without a father even being involved. Furthermore, they can even terminate the baby's life, without the father's permission if they so choose. (Should be illegal without the father's approval). When it comes to babies, women have more civil rights than men. Some women even make a living having babies.
-Keyser
Quote: s2dbakerI have the best car so you all lose!
Click for Biggering
That's an extremely nice car. Too nice. We'll have to sell it and redistribute the wealth so people who don't have cars can all get beaters.
The car was already sold to me and my wealth was already redistributed. Mission accomplished like 13 years ago! Duh!Quote: djatcThat's an extremely nice car. Too nice. We'll have to sell it and redistribute the wealth so people who don't have cars can all get beaters.
Quote: djatc
That's an extremely nice car. Too nice. We'll have to sell it and redistribute the wealth so people who don't have cars can all get beaters.
I told him earlier that it is "substandard" and needs to be replaced with an "approved" car with more features or else he needs to pay a fine.
When the bill for the fine arrives from the gub'mint, I'll gladly get my checkbook out. Funny thing is that my "substandard" car is still better than anything that you'll ever own.Quote: AZDuffmanI told him earlier that it is "substandard" and needs to be replaced with an "approved" car with more features or else he needs to pay a fine.
Quote: s2dbakerWhen the bill for the fine arrives from the gub'mint, I'll gladly get my checkbook out. Funny thing is that my "substandard" car is still better than anything that you'll ever own.
I think you missed the analogy. As to better than anything I will ever own hard to say. I will not buy an antique car unless it is a convertible, but I have lost my interest in cars over the last few years. My desire to own fancy ones has fallen greatly, just not worth the time and cash to me anymore.
But hey, thanks for the personal insult. That makes what, two in the last two posts of mine that you have replied to?
Obama pointed out the benefits of his plan in the SOTU last night and I listed them before (young people coverage, pre-existing conditions, gender equality, etc). Unfortunately, he didn't point out the glaring problems eithers but you would expect nothing else, would you?
Quote: boymimboIf he wanted to drive the car, he probably would have had to get seat belts installed. He might have had to make modifications to the exhaust to comply with "smog" laws... safety rules change all of the time, and cars must comply
Neither. Antiques and classics are exempt from safety and emissions, held only to the standards in place at time of manufacturing.
Ah, I can see it now. Maybe Obama will dub his insurance "new coke" and in six months, both "new coke" and "classic coke" will be on the market.
Quote: boymimbo
Obama pointed out the benefits of his plan in the SOTU last night and I listed them before (young people coverage, pre-existing conditions, gender equality, etc). Unfortunately, he didn't point out the glaring problems eithers but you would expect nothing else, would you?
I didn't even watch as he is so redundant when he speaks by now you saw it all years before. When he pushes Obamacare he sounds like a cheap salesman who cannot overcome a customer objection so just repeats the "features and benefits" of his product.
"Does this SUV have a third seat? I sometimes need to seat 7."
"Did you notice the lovely color?"
"The color is fine, can it seat 7?"
"It has the most air bags!"
"That is good, but can it seat 7?"
"ABS is standard!"
"Great, how many people can it seat?"
"We have great financing!"
"I'd finance it today if you can get me one that seats 7!"
"Did you notice the lovely color?"
Quote: boymimboFace, stop ruining my analogies! ;)
Sorry. Car facts to me are like betting systems to y'all. I can't help myself but to correct them =)
I wish libs would tell these people how great Obamacare is.
stopped buying them and why they went out of
business. The only good vehicle they ever made
was the workhorse of WWII, the Studebaker
2.5 ton army truck. They saved Russia's ass in
WWII, they would have lost the war without
them.
So affordable...lol
Quote: Beethoven9thIn rural Georgia, federal health insurance marketplace proves unaffordable to many
So affordable...lol
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This is exactly what I was talking about earlier in this thread about what is going on here in Georgia.
Quote: steeldcoWell timberjim, the Republican side of me says I'm sorry, but I don't need to be subsidizing your health care. Why should I pay more where I'm at just because it's expensive for you?
This is funny coming from an Obamacare lover...lol
