Obamacare
Quote: tournamentkingOur biggest, and I mean BIGGEST, mistake and one that will go down through the ages, is not hiring Romney to run the US as a legitimate business when we had the chance. Oh one moment please: Obama got the Hispanic vote because he changed course at the last minute and lied about really wanting amnesty for the illegals; he got the student vote because he promised them food stamps, SSDI, Medicaid, obamaphones, and help with rent if they didn't really want to work for a living; he got the gay vote because even though he's always said same sex marriage is as obvious abomination, he lied about suddenly supporting it; and he got 96% of the black vote even though most of them have no idea or couldn't care less about anything outside of their own little entitlements world. In other words, 51% of the vote. Even now, this charlatan could easily get voted in for a third term, Obamacare mess or not.
Yup, I love living in a democracy.
WHAT IF BUYING COFFEE WAS LIKE BUYING HEALTH INSURANCE?
Quote: s2dbakerBTW, little known fact: Romney could not run for reelection in Massachusetts because he was term limited. He owed no one anything.
A: No, he wasn't. He chose not to run.
i. There is no term limit.
ii. It was his first term!
B: Last I checked, politicians aren't accountable only to themselves.
Quote: 24BingoB: Last I checked, politicians aren't accountable only to themselves.
Uh...have you seen obama?
Quote: 24BingoA: No, he wasn't. He chose not to run.
i. There is no term limit.
ii. It was his first term!
B: Last I checked, politicians aren't accountable only to themselves.
You are going to confuse s2d with real facts. He has made it clear that he prefers his own "facts". Why bother with anything he posts, other than for amusement.
My very good health insurance (thru Kaiser Permanente) went up 15% for next year along with a deductible of $750. We have been with them since the late 80's. Never had a deductible and never went up more than 5% in a single year - usually 1-3%. I was a little pissed off about this, but was happy to be able to keep it.
The sticker shock came this AM. I was curious and went to Healthcare. Gov to see what they would offer since when the employer mandates kick in next year, I fully expect to be forced into the system. They finally have the site set up so you can enter where you live and your age and see the available plans.
HOLY S###!!!!!! The best plan they offer is nowhere near the coverage we have now. Monthly rate for the Platinum Plan with Kaiser is over $1000 more with a high deductible!!!!!! Since both my wife and I have ongoing health problems we will easily meet the deductibles. As best as I can figure my out of pocket would INCREASE ABOUT $20,000 a year!!!!!
THANK YOU OBAMA!!!!!!!
Quote: timberjimI'm in sticker shock right now!!!
My very good health insurance (thru Kaiser Permanente) went up 15% for next year along with a deductible of $750. We have been with them since the late 80's. Never had a deductible and never went up more than 5% in a single year - usually 1-3%. I was a little pissed off about this, but was happy to be able to keep it.
The sticker shock came this AM. I was curious and went to Healthcare. Gov to see what they would offer since when the employer mandates kick in next year, I fully expect to be forced into the system. They finally have the site set up so you can enter where you live and your age and see the available plans.
HOLY S###!!!!!! The best plan they offer is nowhere near the coverage we have now. Monthly rate for the Platinum Plan with Kaiser is over $1000 more with a high deductible!!!!!! Since both my wife and I have ongoing health problems we will easily meet the deductibles. As best as I can figure my out of pocket would INCREASE ABOUT $20,000 a year!!!!!
THANK YOU OBAMA!!!!!!!
Obama won, America lost.
You have it wrong. Obama won and with his victory, America wins as well.Quote: AZDuffmanObama won, America lost.
Quote: s2dbakerYou have it wrong. Obama won and with his victory, America wins as well.
Maybe you are right? Before Obama millions of people took time to decide what kind of health insurance fit their needs and budget and made decisions on their own. But with Obama no need to decide, he just tells you what you need to buy and charges you a fine if you don't buy it.
I mean, one person deciding for everyone saves all that time of millions of people deciding on their own, eh?
That's true, now you must suffer. Too bad for you :)Quote: AZDuffmanI mean, one person deciding for everyone saves all that time of millions of people deciding on their own, eh?
Quote: s2dbakerThat's true, now you must suffer. Too bad for you :)
As I said, Obama won, America lost.
Although it is a hoot watching so many of his supporters discover there is no "free health care."
Quote: s2dbakerYou have it wrong. Obama won and with his victory, America wins as well.
Actually, Obama & low information voters like s2dbaker won. America's future lost.
Quote: AZDuffmanAs I said, Obama won, America lost.
Although it is a hoot watching so many of his supporters discover there is no "free health care."
there was a saying by people who were educated when obamacare was voted in
"if you thought health care was expenesive beofore.....wait till its free"
Quote: timberjimI'm in sticker shock right now!!!
My very good health insurance (thru Kaiser Permanente) went up 15% for next year along with a deductible of $750. We have been with them since the late 80's. Never had a deductible and never went up more than 5% in a single year - usually 1-3%. I was a little pissed off about this, but was happy to be able to keep it.
The sticker shock came this AM. I was curious and went to Healthcare. Gov to see what they would offer since when the employer mandates kick in next year, I fully expect to be forced into the system. They finally have the site set up so you can enter where you live and your age and see the available plans.
HOLY S###!!!!!! The best plan they offer is nowhere near the coverage we have now. Monthly rate for the Platinum Plan with Kaiser is over $1000 more with a high deductible!!!!!! Since both my wife and I have ongoing health problems we will easily meet the deductibles. As best as I can figure my out of pocket would INCREASE ABOUT $20,000 a year!!!!!
THANK YOU OBAMA!!!!!!!
Obama! Obama! Obama! Obama! Obama! Obama! Obama! Obama!
Quote: AZDuffmanAs I said, Obama won, America lost.
Although it is a hoot watching so many of his supporters discover there is no "free health care."
Did anybody believe liberal wealth redistribution was going to be cheap? Wait until you're subsidizing 20 million illegal aliens too.
AND PEOPLE ARE STUPID ENOUGH TO CALL THIS THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT!!!!!!
I discovered that the same plan varies by as much $1000 per month in Georgia with the only factor being what county you live in!!!!!
WTF!!!!!!!
Remember "we need to pass this law so we can see what is in it".
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101225308
I know that the web site is the tip of the iceberg. Thing is...this is a really large iceberg!!
I looked at the plan in detail and it looks pretty good. For two people at their age $773 per month each before subsidies is what I'd expect to pay even without a pre-existing condition. The maximum layout per person per year is $6300 including drugs. There's no co-pay to see the primary doctor, specialist, inpatient doctor or to get a generic prescription, preferred brand prescription, non-preferred brand prescription or specialty prescription.Quote: timberjimIf you are unlucky enough to live in Seminole County, Georgia and are looking for health care thru Obamacare (two people age 59 and 61) the cheapest plan is the Bronze for $1445 per month with a $12,600 deductible!!!!!!! The Gold is over $2400 per month with a $1500 deductible!!!!!!
AND PEOPLE ARE STUPID ENOUGH TO CALL THIS THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT!!!!!!
I discovered that the same plan varies by as much $1000 per month in Georgia with the only factor being what county you live in!!!!!
WTF!!!!!!!
Remember "we need to pass this law so we can see what is in it".
Of course if you live in Eau Claire, Wisconsin, the same plan is $1041 for the couple with a $12,000 deductible. I don't know what's in the water in Seminole County, Georgia but it looks like private insurers are going to charge more to cover it.
Quote: s2dbakerI looked at the plan in detail and it looks pretty good. For two people at their age $773 per month each before subsidies is what I'd expect to pay even without a pre-existing condition. The maximum layout per person per year is $6300 including drugs. There's no co-pay to see the primary doctor, specialist, inpatient doctor or to get a generic prescription, preferred brand prescription, non-preferred brand prescription or specialty prescription.
Of course if you live in Eau Claire, Wisconsin, the same plan is $1041 for the couple with a $12,000 deductible. I don't know what's in the water in Seminole County, Georgia but it looks like private insurers are going to charge more to cover it.
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Raising health insurance costs to a couple by over $20,000 per year is "a pretty good plan"!!!! Can anyone really be so braindead as to really believe this?
And the liberal solution is to go on welfare (subsidies)!!!!!!
This is my last response to anything from 2sd. He has entered a lala land of drinking the liberal koolaid.
Call out the bureaucrats, all of whom are the members of the death panel. Ooops, the IPAB. The scheme behind the fraud.Quote: s2dbakerFor two people at their age $773 per month each before subsidies is what I'd expect to pay even without a pre-existing condition. The maximum layout per person per year is $6300 including drugs.
Quote: s2dbakerI looked at the plan in detail and it looks pretty good. For two people at their age $773 per month each before subsidies is what I'd expect to pay even without a pre-existing condition. The maximum layout per person per year is $6300 including drugs. There's no co-pay to see the primary doctor, specialist, inpatient doctor or to get a generic prescription, preferred brand prescription, non-preferred brand prescription or specialty prescription.
And of course they will get good use of the maternity and pediatric care they are forced to buy, right?
Quote: AZDuffmanAnd of course they will get good use of the maternity and pediatric care they are forced to buy, right?
Yikes AZ! You gotta get over this concept!!! I pay for school taxes even though my kids went to private schools. I pay taxes that subsidize the local town ice hockey rink even though I don't use it. There are LOTS of things we pay for that we don't use in SOCIETY. The concept of health insurance is that it pays for the health costs of ANYONE who is covered.
Hammer Obamacare for all of its flaws. But your argument is really an argument against health insurance in general.
He doesn't get it and never will. His kind are not willing to get it. Even if they got it, they would reject it.Quote: SOOPOOYikes AZ! You gotta get over this concept!!!
Quote: SOOPOOYikes AZ! You gotta get over this concept!!! I pay for school taxes even though my kids went to private schools. I pay taxes that subsidize the local town ice hockey rink even though I don't use it. There are LOTS of things we pay for that we don't use in SOCIETY. The concept of health insurance is that it pays for the health costs of ANYONE who is covered.
Hammer Obamacare for all of its flaws. But your argument is really an argument against health insurance in general.
I respectfully disagree with you concerning health insurance. Obama care was sold to the public that it absolutely was not a tax. It only became a tax when the feds had to defend it in the Supreme Court. We were lied to once again.
The government is now deciding what level of care I should purchase. That should be my decision. The government got into mandating who could get mortgages and we all saw how well that turned out.
Where I live, my wife and I will lose all of our doctors that we have seen for years if we are forced into the system. I am concerned about this because our Human Resources department has scheduled open enrollment for June when it has always been in October and will not tell anyone why.
Obama has completely f***** up the health insurance industry where I live. THE SAME PLAN CAN COST YOU $1000 OR MORE PER MONTH DEPENDING ON WHAT COUNTY YOU LIVE IN! In what world is this "fair" as the liberals are always calling for?
The ones who have done well under this President? The 1%. The stock market is up; they are doing just fine.
The health care system is no different--prices going up for those who can least afford it and a few rich Liberals (s2dbaker maybe?) telling us all is well. Your health care costs aren't really going up...it is not a tax...it is a tax...
I get it. We need to help some people. We will always need to help some people. The idea is, through a strong, growing economy, to shrink the number we need to help. That is not what is happening. We have a President who wants to provide everything to everybody and have everyone else pay for it.
It won't work. It has already failed in many countries.
Quote: anonimussA guy that never accomplished a single thing in his lifetime gets elected by spouting what a certain segment of people begging for handouts want to hear along with another segment falling for the "They want to kill old people!!! They want to kill women!!! They want to kill (insert voting bloc segment here)!!!" line of bs. Marketing 101: Sex and Death sell. Grade school sales concept bought by people too stupid and/or lazy to think things through. I have to chuckle at the shock on Israeli faces for what obama's doing to them when a majority of the Jewish vote went to a man named "barack hussein obama".
There are alot of reasons why Obama won.
Please explain the Asian/American voting block that I am a part of. Its small but its telling.
After the election, Newt was very disturbed losing the Asian American vote. He said" We lost the Asian/American vote and these people dont want anything from the Goverment"
I voted for Obama and have never ever taken a Govt handout in my life.
I am also a registered republican.
Simple. They listen to the same biased news coverage as white Obama supporters.Quote: terapinedPlease explain the Asian/American voting block that I am a part of.
...but just about every other Obama voter DOES expect a handout.Quote: terapinedI voted for Obama and have never ever taken a Govt handout in my life.
And I'm a registered Democrat. *headshake*Quote: terapinedI am also a registered republican.
Quote: Beethoven9th
Quote: terapined
Please explain the Asian/American voting block that I am a part of.
Beethoven9th responded with
Simple. They listen to the same biased news coverage as white Obama supporters.
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Its really sad that you discount the intelligence of Asian Anericans.
So those on the Left that are Asian/American are brainwashed by the media? Do you actually know any Asian Americans that voted for Obama?
Do you talk to these people on why they voted for Obama?
I hate to say this because sometimes we agree, but your comment on Asian/Americans is just plain wrong.
WTF?? When did I ever question the intelligence of Asians? I guess you could maybe argue that I questioned the intelligence of Obama voters in general, although that isn't even true.Quote: terapinedIts really sad that you discount the intelligence of Asian Anericans.
What's with you and this fixation on Asian-Americans? For the record, I believe that a segment of Obama voters (white, black, Hispanic, Asian) truly support his socialist ideas, but that the rest are ignorant because of the non-objective media. (I wouldn't exactly use the word "brainwashed" though because I don't think the media deliberately tries to sway voters even though that's what in fact happens)Quote: terapinedSo those on the Left that are Asian/American are brainwashed by the media?
Quote: terapinedThere are alot of reasons why Obama won.
Please explain the Asian/American voting block that I am a part of. Its small but its telling.
After the election, Newt was very disturbed losing the Asian American vote. He said" We lost the Asian/American vote and these people dont want anything from the Goverment"
I voted for Obama and have never ever taken a Govt handout in my life.
I am also a registered republican.
You're the Asian American. Why don't you explain why you voted for the clown? Or, better yet, which particular line of bs you fell for?
Because you voted for Obama, you've automagically fell for a line. The reason couldn't possibly be that Obama was the better choice, it was because you were deceived. Further, because Asians voted for Obama overwhelmingly, it means that all Asians are gullible.Quote: anonimussYou're the Asian American. Why don't you explain why you voted for the clown? Or, better yet, which particular line of bs you fell for?
You don't have to remain in a political party that demonstrably hates you.
ps, my hatred is for anyone gullible enough to hand control of my country to an incompetent, pathologically lying, America hating socialist.
Quote: anonimussYou're the Asian American. Why don't you explain why you voted for the clown? Or, better yet, which particular line of bs you fell for?
For gay marriage.
For Choice
Quote: Beethoven9thWhat's with you and this fixation on Asian-Americans? )
I'm an Asian/American
Quote: SOOPOOYikes AZ! You gotta get over this concept!!! I pay for school taxes
Because you own property. But nobody is forcing
you to do that, are they. With Obamacare, if you
don't get it you get fined. No fines for not owning
property.
You should log out of your sock puppet account before patting yourself on the back.Quote: anonimussLiberals run on emotion, not logic. Stop teasing them with reasoning.
Quote: s2dbakerThe reason couldn't possibly be that Obama was the better choice, it was because you were deceived.
Look at his poll numbers and the approval rating of Obamacare. Obviously people DO feel deceived.
So? I'm white, but I ain't fixated on whites. In fact, I think white liberals are the most dangerous people in America.Quote: terapinedI'm an Asian/American
Seriously?! So you'll automatically vote for any clown who supports those two things? *facepalm*Quote: terapinedFor gay marriage.
For Choice
Quote: anonimussps, my hatred is for anyone gullible enough to hand control of my country to an incompetent, pathologically lying, America hating socialist.
So, one has to choose someone successful in business and government and not that incompetent Obama?
I guess 3 time mayor of America's largest city, Bloomberg would be an alternative for me if he ran. I don't need jumbo sodas anyway.
Quote:Some of the policies Bloomberg advocates parallel those of either the Democratic or the Republican party platform. He is socially liberal or progressive, supporting abortion rights, same-sex marriage, some gun control measures, and a pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants, for example. On economics, foreign, and domestic issues, Bloomberg tends to be conservative. He opposed a timeline for withdrawal from the Iraq War, and criticized those who favored one. Economically, he supports government involvement in issues such as public welfare, while being strongly in favor of free trade, pro-business, and describing himself as a fiscal conservative because he balanced the city's budget.[69] Environmentally, he believes that man-made climate change is real. Bloomberg has been cited for not allowing many emergency officials who responded to the September 11, 2001, attacks to attend the tenth anniversary observation of that day
Quote: Beethoven9thSo? I'm white, but I ain't fixated on whites. In fact, I think white liberals are the most dangerous people in America.
Seriously?! So you'll automatically vote for any clown who supports those two things? *facepalm*
Fine, different people are fixated on different things. Different strokes for different folks.
If Bozo the clown ran on a platform of freedom of marriage and freedom for DR/patient decisions, sure I'd be interested in voting for Bozo.
why "facepalm"? Why not say something reasonable like- Hey, you have the freedom to decide what issues you feel are important, I disagree on those issues.
Quote: terapinedFine, different people are fixated on different things. Different strokes for different folks.
If Bozo the clown ran on a platform of freedom of marriage and freedom for DR/patient decisions, sure I'd be interested in voting for Bozo.
why "facepalm"? Why not say something reasonable like- Hey, you have the freedom to decide what issues you feel are important, I disagree on those issues.
So you voted for obama partly based on your belief he champions freedom for doctor patient decisions?
Quote: anonimussSo you voted for obama partly based on your belief he champions freedom for doctor patient decisions?
yes, whatever a dr and patient decide, its none of my business.
I have a feeling I'm about to be attacked for being honest.
There are a lot of issues facing this country. I believe those on the right and those on left are intelligent people that simply have a different view on solving our problems. Those on the right believe that their views are whats best for the country. Those on the left believe their views are whats best for the country. There are very smart people onboth sides. I dont believe conservatives are brainwashed by fox. I dont believe the left is brainwashed by the media. Different sides simply have a different overall world view. We may disagree but I would not insult your intelligence with a "facepalm" comment. You are an intelligent person that simply has a different view of the world then me.
I think you just did in the last election.Quote: terapinedIf Bozo the clown ran on a platform of freedom of marriage and freedom for DR/patient decisions, sure I'd be interested in voting for Bozo.
No biggie. I'm attacked for being honest all the time. lolQuote: terapinedI have a feeling I'm about to be attacked for being honest.
Quote: SOOPOOYikes AZ! You gotta get over this concept!!! I pay for school taxes even though my kids went to private schools. I pay taxes that subsidize the local town ice hockey rink even though I don't use it. There are LOTS of things we pay for that we don't use in SOCIETY. The concept of health insurance is that it pays for the health costs of ANYONE who is covered.
Hammer Obamacare for all of its flaws. But your argument is really an argument against health insurance in general.
Not a valid comparison. Taxes for government services are not buying insurance. By forcing men to buy maternity coverage and child-free people to buy pediatric care you are simply taxing them to subsidize those who are using this insurance.
Insurance is not about SOCIETY as you put it. Insurance is me giving money to an insurer to cover me for what I choose. I should not have to buy insurance for something that cannot happen to me (maternity) nor for something I do not need (pediatric) nor for what I feel I have no need for (substance abuse.)
What you are suggesting is socialism, not insurance.
Quote: s2dbakerHe doesn't get it and never will. His kind are not willing to get it. Even if they got it, they would reject it.
I get it completely. Obama wants to take my money and use it to subsidize people more likely to vote for him. It is nothing more than that.
