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November 17th, 2013 at 7:21:37 PM
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Laugh it up jokester. Wrong is wrong. You're fooling no one.
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November 17th, 2013 at 7:22:09 PM
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Quote: rxwineDuffman said Socialism never works. Vets have socialized medicine.
How the hell does the second sentence refute the first? LOL!!! You've gotta be the most intellectually dishonest person in this thread. *facepalm*
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November 17th, 2013 at 7:26:20 PM
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Quote: Beethoven9thHow the hell does the second sentence refute the first? LOL!!! You've gotta be the most intellectually dishonest person in this thread. *facepalm*
Socialism never works. Vets have socialized medicine
Capitalism never works. Walmarts make money in a capitalist manner.
Stop damaging your brain with facepalming.
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November 17th, 2013 at 7:27:39 PM
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Your posts are looking more stupid than ever.
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November 17th, 2013 at 7:30:16 PM
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The *facepalm* is pretty much the only way to deal with guys like you...lol
So you're seriously arguing that "having" something is proof that it "works"??? I know guys who "have" brains, yet there's no proof that they "work".
So you're seriously arguing that "having" something is proof that it "works"??? I know guys who "have" brains, yet there's no proof that they "work".
Your arguments are looking more stupid than ever.Quote: rxwineYour posts are looking more stupid than ever.
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November 17th, 2013 at 7:39:48 PM
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Oh, now you're saying vets socialized medicine is like a dead brain and doesn't work. Not close to the truth. It has problems and so does private medicines (lawsuits for malpractice, for instance.)
Keep digging the stupid hole. It's getting deeper.
Keep digging the stupid hole. It's getting deeper.
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November 17th, 2013 at 7:42:20 PM
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I can get more true information from system trolls. At least they probably know they're blowing bs
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November 17th, 2013 at 7:46:13 PM
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Haha...it's called an analogy. I guess I shouldn't assume that you know what such devices are.Quote: rxwineOh, now you're saying vets socialized medicine is like a dead brain and doesn't work.
I hope Obama uses the gr8rxwine argument:
CANCER PATIENT: "My health plan just got canceled! Obamacare doesn't work!"
OBAMA: "Nuh uh! Three people have it, so it does work!"
lol!
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November 17th, 2013 at 7:48:27 PM
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Listen Boobtoven, one day I hope to congratulate you for winning a debate, but I can't wait forever.
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November 17th, 2013 at 7:51:37 PM
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You're starting to lose control now...hehehehe ;)
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November 17th, 2013 at 7:54:14 PM
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Not by a long shot. Wrong again and par for the course.
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November 17th, 2013 at 7:55:44 PM
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"In the house of rxwine, you believe what nobody else in the entire world ever sees..."
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November 17th, 2013 at 7:57:08 PM
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Plus are you admitting that you have infantile intentions? You don't plan to have reasonable logical arguments? That's what I would guess by your posts.
That pretty much sucks as a poster here.
That pretty much sucks as a poster here.
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November 17th, 2013 at 8:01:08 PM
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Here's an example of an argument that is neither logical nor reasonable:
"Socialism works" because "vets have socialized medicine."
(Sorry, have to do another *facepalm* at this lame argument of yours) *facepalm*
"Socialism works" because "vets have socialized medicine."
(Sorry, have to do another *facepalm* at this lame argument of yours) *facepalm*
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November 17th, 2013 at 8:04:04 PM
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You're saying it doesn't work? Better call your rep and ask what the money is being spent on then if not at the veterans hospitals and clinics. Are they being treated for stuff or not? LOL.
Funny, you can't even make a simple point and not get it wrong.
Funny, you can't even make a simple point and not get it wrong.
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November 17th, 2013 at 8:06:21 PM
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What I'm saying is that you can't tell the difference between something that you "have" and something that "works". And you know what's even funnier? You STILL don't know the difference even after it's pointed out to you...lol
By your (insane) definition, communism worked in the Soviet Union because they "had" it. *facepalm*
By your (insane) definition, communism worked in the Soviet Union because they "had" it. *facepalm*
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November 17th, 2013 at 8:15:56 PM
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Quote: Beethoven9thWhat I'm saying is that you can't tell the difference between something that you "have" and something that "works". And you know what's even funnier? You STILL don't know...lol
By your (insane) definition, communism worked in the Soviet Union because they "had" it. *facepalm*
Your example didn't prove anything about the original example.
If I say "never" or "always" works, that is inclusive.
I showed one example of socialism working in military healthcare against the phrase "never works" and that disproves it.
Try again.
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November 17th, 2013 at 8:17:55 PM
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Now I'm just feeling sorry for you.
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November 17th, 2013 at 8:19:13 PM
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Quote: rxwineIf I say "never" or "always" works, that is inclusive.
You're hilarious. You're focusing on "never" when you should be focusing on "works". Now that I know how much (little?) thought you put into your arguments, I can understand why you're a liberal. lol!
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November 17th, 2013 at 8:21:04 PM
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There's no question that socialized medicine is working. It does not make every veteran happy, but that is no more relevant than private medicine not making someone happy.
Do you really need this explained?
Do you really need this explained?
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November 17th, 2013 at 8:23:32 PM
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Quote: rxwineThere's no question that socialized medicine is working.
*facepalm* *facepalm* *facepalm* *facepalm* *facepalm* *facepalm* *facepalm* *facepalm* *facepalm* *facepalm*
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November 17th, 2013 at 8:23:37 PM
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Employer-financed health care and, in this example, employer-operated health care do not make up a definition or part of a definition of socialism.Quote: rxwineYou're saying it doesn't work? Better call your rep and ask what the money is being spent on then if not at the veterans hospitals and clinics. Are they being treated for stuff or not? LOL.
November 17th, 2013 at 8:25:44 PM
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Unfortunately, rxwine would rather talk, not listen.
Unfortunately, rxwine would rather talk, not listen.
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November 17th, 2013 at 8:32:11 PM
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Quote: Beethoven9th^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Unfortunately, rxwine would rather talk, not listen.
More crap..
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November 17th, 2013 at 8:33:54 PM
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So have I, in decades of being a shop steward and committee chair person. I'd also add that I've seen more worthy (but maybe outspoken or out of favor) colleagues protected by my union than those who did not carry their load. And that includes successfully representing non-member workers in the bargaining unit in activities like grievances and arbitrations.Quote: petroglyphI too have seen people on the job who had no business being there.
November 17th, 2013 at 8:48:56 PM
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Quote: Beethoven9thQuote: rxwineThere's no question that socialized medicine is working.
*facepalm* *facepalm* *facepalm* *facepalm* *facepalm* *facepalm* *facepalm* *facepalm* *facepalm* *facepalm*
Your pretense at making a successful point is just more immaturity.
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November 17th, 2013 at 8:59:42 PM
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I at last figured out that Beethoven9th wasn't worthy of any effort with which to engage in dabate when he went to the moderators to cry about how his feelings were hurt about being called a gay. So after that little tantrum, he can say whatever he wants to say but it's not going to get any response from me.Quote: rxwineYour pretense at making a successful point is just more immaturity.
By the way Beethoven9th is totally not a gay. I just wanted to make that clear before he goes back to the moderators and cries again.
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November 17th, 2013 at 9:14:50 PM
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How about this idea:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulhsieh/2013/11/17/the-only-obamacare-fix-is-for-obama-to-legalize-real-health-insurance/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulhsieh/2013/11/17/the-only-obamacare-fix-is-for-obama-to-legalize-real-health-insurance/
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November 17th, 2013 at 9:27:41 PM
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Quote: rxwineYour pretense at making a successful point is just more immaturity.
Your pretense at making a successful point is just more lame arguments.
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November 17th, 2013 at 9:29:12 PM
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Quote: SanchoPanzaSo have I, in decades of being a shop steward and committee chair person. I'd also add that I've seen more worthy (but maybe outspoken or out of favor) colleagues protected by my union than those who did not carry their load. And that includes successfully representing non-member workers in the bargaining unit in activities like grievances and arbitrations.
What union is that?
November 17th, 2013 at 9:30:47 PM
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Quote: s2dbakerI at last figured out that Beethoven9th wasn't worthy of any effort with which to engage in dabate [sic]...
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...I just wanted to make that clear before he goes back to the moderators and cries again.
I, at last, figured out that s2dbaker wasn't worthy of any effort with which to engage in debate when he went and cried about how racist "Redskins" is, yet he continues to needlessly utter the racist remark "flied lice". It's even more disturbing because I believe he is of Hispanic descent, so he should know better. So after his little Redskins tantrum, he can say whatever he wants to say, but it will not get any further response from me.
By the way, s2dbaker is not a racist. He just repeats a remark that may be viewed as racist by Japanese people. I just wanted to make that clear before he goes to the moderators and cries.
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November 18th, 2013 at 2:49:50 AM
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RX is right on one hand. There is a substantial part of the medical system in the USA that is already socialized - aka Medicare and Medicaid and simlar programs in many states. Whether it's working or not is up for debate.
There is a set of people who don't qualify for medicaid (they make too much) but also can't pay health insurance (because it's too expensive), and this is the portion of the population that really is precarious. These are hard working, underachieving Americans who are probably making between $20 and $50k per year who can afford a modest place to live but can't afford the premiums for health insurance. These are some people who are going uninsured or underinsured, know that if something catastrophic happens to hit them, they're screwed. Preventative care goes against their deductible, so they don't bother to see their doctor or get treatment if they are hurt. Or the pharma that they are prescribed is too expensive, so they don't get it or they lower their own dosage. Or the operation they need is not affordable. And up until a year or so ago, the insurance company could just drop you if you got too risky.
There are at least two studies out there that show that the risk of dying for those uninsured ranges between 25 to 40% higher than those insured, which translates to at least 26,000 extra deaths per year for those who are uninsured. You can take those numbers and throw it against socialized medicine in every single westernized country.
Private insurance works great if you or your employer can afford it or if daddy's paying it for you. It also works wonders if you are young and don't require medical care. But don't kid yourself that costs arent going up year over year and it's not due solely to usage. And when those costs are >> inflation, what you end up is a degraded middle class as the gap between rich and poor gets greater.
That said, ObamaCare still sucks. There are some achievements but mostly failures.
There is a set of people who don't qualify for medicaid (they make too much) but also can't pay health insurance (because it's too expensive), and this is the portion of the population that really is precarious. These are hard working, underachieving Americans who are probably making between $20 and $50k per year who can afford a modest place to live but can't afford the premiums for health insurance. These are some people who are going uninsured or underinsured, know that if something catastrophic happens to hit them, they're screwed. Preventative care goes against their deductible, so they don't bother to see their doctor or get treatment if they are hurt. Or the pharma that they are prescribed is too expensive, so they don't get it or they lower their own dosage. Or the operation they need is not affordable. And up until a year or so ago, the insurance company could just drop you if you got too risky.
There are at least two studies out there that show that the risk of dying for those uninsured ranges between 25 to 40% higher than those insured, which translates to at least 26,000 extra deaths per year for those who are uninsured. You can take those numbers and throw it against socialized medicine in every single westernized country.
Private insurance works great if you or your employer can afford it or if daddy's paying it for you. It also works wonders if you are young and don't require medical care. But don't kid yourself that costs arent going up year over year and it's not due solely to usage. And when those costs are >> inflation, what you end up is a degraded middle class as the gap between rich and poor gets greater.
That said, ObamaCare still sucks. There are some achievements but mostly failures.
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November 18th, 2013 at 5:00:08 AM
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Quote: boymimbo
Okay, how about the Forbes article link here that estimates that at least 26,000 people die each year because they are not insured. How's that for an anecdote???
I have to concede Canada's system works well. Woof Woof.
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November 18th, 2013 at 5:12:42 AM
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Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: boymimboOkay, how about the Forbes article link here that estimates that at least 26,000 people die each year because they are not insured. How's that for an anecdote???
I have to concede Canada's system works well. Woof Woof.
According to guys like rxwine, socialized medicine in Canada works because they "have" it and because some people "like" it. lol...
In fact, using rxwine's silly logic, the American health care system works because we "have" it and because some of us "like" it. (See what a dumb argument this is, folks?)
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November 18th, 2013 at 5:42:00 AM
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Quote: Beethoven9th[
In fact, using rxwine's silly logic, the American health care system works because we "have" it and because some of us "like" it. (See what a dumb argument this is, folks?)
Beethoven thinks Veterans are stupid. Right Beethoven?
I quote myself from earlier.
Quote:My argument is veterans would be smart enough to oppose the socialism in mass if it wasn't working for them. You got a problem with that? ARE you going to call veterans stupid by saying they wouldn't know better
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November 18th, 2013 at 5:52:12 AM
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Quote: rxwineBeethoven thinks Veterans are stupid. Right Beethoven?
rxwine thinks Americans are stupid. Right, rxwine? (According to Gallup, 55% of Americans reject Obamacare)
BTW, I see that you still haven't figured out the difference between something that you "have" and something that "works". lol
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November 18th, 2013 at 5:59:24 AM
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That's only if the premise is false. The premise that socialized medicine is working for vets is true. Sorry buddy. No it doesn't have to make every vet happy.
Why do you think Military vets are so stupid. That's disgraceful.
Why do you think Military vets are so stupid. That's disgraceful.
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November 18th, 2013 at 6:05:53 AM
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The premise that the American health care system is working is true. Sorry, buddy. No, it doesn't have to make every American happy.
Why do you think Americans are so stupid? That's disgraceful.
Why do you think Americans are so stupid? That's disgraceful.
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November 18th, 2013 at 6:10:28 AM
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Some premises are more arguably true or false than others. For instance, does Beethoven think?
If you want to perpetuate the lie that the Vets system is not working, go ahead.
Why does Beethveen think military veterans are stupid.
If you want to perpetuate the lie that the Vets system is not working, go ahead.
Why does Beethveen think military veterans are stupid.
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November 18th, 2013 at 6:13:53 AM
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Some premises are more arguably true or false than others. For instance, does rxwine think?
If you want to perpetuate the lie that the American health care system is not working, go ahead.
Why does rxwine think Americans are stupid???
If you want to perpetuate the lie that the American health care system is not working, go ahead.
Why does rxwine think Americans are stupid???
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November 18th, 2013 at 6:18:59 AM
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I'm not bothered by your mimicking statement at all, as in many more ways people have been questioning the premise, of both pre Obama and post Obamacare.
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November 18th, 2013 at 6:23:07 AM
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That's good. Because I'm just illustrating how silly your arguments are. ;)
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November 18th, 2013 at 6:26:58 AM
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LOL. Your point is NOT made.
There's nothing underway to get rid of government controlled veterans admin care. If it wasn't working as you say, something else would be needed.
There's nothing underway to get rid of government controlled veterans admin care. If it wasn't working as you say, something else would be needed.
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November 18th, 2013 at 6:29:56 AM
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You still haven't figured out the difference between something that you "have" and something that "works", huh? *facepalm*
(rxwine = *facepalm* inducer)
(rxwine = *facepalm* inducer)
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November 18th, 2013 at 6:34:59 AM
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Quote: Beethoven9thYou still haven't figured out the difference between something that you "have" and something that "works", huh? *facepalm*
Like your brain? Even I will admit that your brain works. Since I know what we are talking about specifically, I know it works.
Just any brain? No. But I was specific in my other argument too.
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November 18th, 2013 at 6:42:08 AM
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Quote: rxwineLike your brain?
Uh oh...sounds like rxwine is p*ssed. Control yourself, rxwine. ;)
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November 18th, 2013 at 6:44:24 AM
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I don't know why you think that.
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November 18th, 2013 at 6:47:20 AM
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Based on your previous posts, that's not the only thing you don't know. ;)
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November 18th, 2013 at 6:49:57 AM
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Quote: rxwineThat's only if the premise is false. The premise that socialized medicine is working for vets is true. Sorry buddy. No it doesn't have to make every vet happy.
Why do you think Military vets are so stupid. That's disgraceful.
Go through a VA Hospital and see if socialized medicine is "working." They are very sad places, many falling apart at the seams.
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November 18th, 2013 at 6:51:45 AM
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+1Quote: AZDuffmanGo through a VA Hospital and see if socialized medicine is "working." They are very sad places, many falling apart at the seams.
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