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Quote: rxwineIs there anything ever sold in a "collectable" ad that ever actually becomes collectable? Like stuff like Franklin Mint collectables? I'm not talking about stuff already considered collectable, but buying something advertised new as "these will only go up in value". other than actual silver or gold, not sure what has ever been sold like that that became collectable.
Luxury items, maybe? Like Rolex and other fancy watches, all those crazy expensive handbags, supercars, etc. You know, things that are already really expensive to begin with.
Quote: TigerWuLuxury items, maybe? Like Rolex and other fancy watches, all those crazy expensive handbags, supercars, etc. You know, things that are already really expensive to begin with.
Luxury items certainly have collectible value, but almost always depreciate.
I took the question more as things that become collectible and go up in value.
Quote: gamerfreakSpeaking only in generalities based on limited personal anecdotes removes any nuance from the conversation.
You are also building a strawman here - at what point did I claim that it’s impossible for Marijuana to ever be harmful?
Inhaling burning plant matter is not good for your lungs. The big difference between cigarettes and Marijuana is the amount of burning plant that is smoked by the average user. Most cigarette smokers are sucking down 1/2-1 pack a day. Studies with tobacco have shown that moderate use common with cigar or pipe smokers, in the range of 1 cigar daily, does not increase risk of cancer by any significant amount. If someone is smoking 10-20 joints a day then I agree that they have a problem.
But in any case, smoking is not the only way to consume cannabis. Many people use edibles, which makes the entire comparison to tobacco a moot point.
It comes down to causation vs correlation. Anything can be abused. Cheeseburgers and Coca-Cola can be abused. That does not mean that anyone who drinks a soda is spiraling into a pit of diabetes.
I have no doubt you can correlate Marijuana use to unemployed deadbeats. Same goes for alcohol. But claiming moderate MJ/Alcohol use is causative of that behavior is patently false.
I can’t safely comment on the issue of legality without risking political discussion. I don’t even know what to say about your comparison of Cannabis to Opioids other than its absurd and shows how mis-informed you are on this subject.
Legality is fine with me. I’m tired of all the money spent on the fight. But to deny it sends us down the path of having a stoned underclass denies reality.
I posted a link here or at DT I forget which. Showing how for so many “moderate use” becomes a lifestyle of coming home from work and smoking daily.
Us “old people who listen to Rush” have seen things young whippersnappers have not.
If we're going from personal anecdotes... I know only one person who is a raging pot head.
He used to be an entertainer. He appeared on Letterman and had his own business making six figures doing parties and stuff. He moved to LV to take over a large but failing business. He turned it around single handedly, owns a nice home and has a cool, pretty wife. American dream.
I smoke mainly as a sleep aid, though I do enjoy vegging out for an hour before sleep. I often wake up anywhere from 2 to 4 hours after falling asleep and pot is especially good then.
A pill might take another hour to work and then it's designed to work longer than I want. I also have a crazy tolerance for sedatives and don't want to be eating colonipins like tic tacs. I can puff puff, roll over and go back to sleep.
As gamer said, any drug can be abused, basically as a way to cover up your problems rather than fix them.
If you eat fast food regularly or watch several hours of TV a day (or listen to talk radio) it's kind of similar. When you stop doing it, you will realize it was worse than you thought.
IDK... Maybe some people need these crutches and escapes. Maybe for a period. Maybe for the rest of their lives.
Though, pot use does seem to be a net positive for many people, where TV and fast food cannot be, except in moderation, maybe.
I think it can expand your mind as well. For example, you can listen to music and really hear every note. I remember early in my pot career I was watching star trek and they played a Brandenburg concerto and I was floored. I guess it played a roll in me listening to more Great Music.. Classical and jazz. High or not, popular music is mostly boring to me now. Might have happened anyway, but pot at least sped it up.
Quote: AZDuffmanReality.
As far as I can tell, you've selected some anecdotes and used them to just make ish up.
Pot's been legalized enough to compare your fabrications to facts. Maybe you guessed right.
Is there evidence that Colorado has seen a lot more people become disfunctional train wrecks, as you predict?
Quote: Rigondeaux
Is there evidence that Colorado has seen a lot more people become disfunctional train wrecks, as you predict?
It's seen a lot more people driving
while impaired.
"Studies have found that marijuana use affects the driver's concentration and ability to perceive time and distance. This may lead to poor speed control, drowsiness, distraction, and the inability to read road signs accurately."
I used to get high sometimes at
work in 1970. I worked in a cookie
factory around all these 20 foot
high automated ovens. Me and a
co worker got high in the basement
once and when we got back upstairs
he was so terrified of all the running
machinery he had to fake being sick
and go home. Had another friend
have such a severe paranoia attack
on weed he went to ER.
You never see that with booze. It was
around that time I quit pot. I figured
if just a couple hits can screw with your
brain that badly the long term effects
can't be good.
I quit being friends with an old HS buddy
about 25 years ago. I would go to his
house and have a beer and then he would
light a joint and after a couple tokes he
would be useless to be around. His conversation
would ramble, he couldn't concentrate on
anything, not a lot of fun for me. Being
around people who are high when you
aren't is like being in a ward for the
mentally impaired.
Quote: EvenBobI Me and a
co worker got high in the basement
once and when we got back upstairs
he was so terrified of all the running
machinery he had to fake being sick
and go home. Had another friend
have such a severe paranoia attack
on weed he went to ER.
You never see that with booze.
Some people don't handle alcohol well at all because some people won't stop at a drink or two. You don't see it often, because it's pretty much impossible for these people to drink on a regular basis.
Quote: rxwineSome people don't handle alcohol well
Never saw anybody go to ER on
one drink of booze. But I did
see plenty of people get totally
paranoid on pot. And this was
50 years ago, when weed was
1/10th the potency it is now.
They wouldn't get paranoid
every time, but often enough
that you avoided hanging out
with them. You're trying to
watch a movie on TV and they
won't shut up about how freaked
they are. I can only imagine
how it is now with super weed.
I had a hit of Maui Wowie when I
lived in Hawaii and I was gone
for hours. Hated it.
Quote: RigondeauxAs far as I can tell, you've selected some anecdotes and used them to just make ish up.
Pot's been legalized enough to compare your fabrications to facts. Maybe you guessed right.
Is there evidence that Colorado has seen a lot more people become disfunctional train wrecks, as you predict?
The whole problem is the "get high" culture. As I stated yesterday, it is what kept China off the world power stage and lost her the Opium wars. Nothing good comes out of a culture like this. You do not see successful people getting high all the time. You do see people with a mess of a life doing it. That is why they do it over and over for "recreation." To escape reality. Why are prisons full of dope? Why are Indian Reservations full of users? Why did the ghettos get filled with users?
It is all about give the masses something to forget the reality that is their life. And the more recreational use a person does, the more useless they become. This is the reason the powers in government banned the stuff in the first place. In the late 1800s the USA was a drunk, stoned, high nation of dope fiends. You could buy the stuff anywhere and everywhere. Now it is 100 years later and not only do we not have anyone who remembers that time alive, but nobody who met someone with a working memory of that time is alive. It is a societal cycle. We will see a legalization cycle now that will last a generation. In 20 years you may be able to buy a speedball for recreation at Walgreens.
As I said, I kind of no longer care. I would rather deal with being around a nation of dope fiends than an over policed state where they want to search my car for an out tail light. In such a society, those of us who do not partake and have a little motivation rise easily to the top.
Put more simply, spend all the time looking for a "study showing more people becoming disfunctional" as you like. I don't need a study telling me the more time you spend getting high the less functional you are. Same as I do not need a study saying dog food the dogs don't eat won't sell.
It seems some people took the lessons of Reefer Madness to heart.
More for the rest of us.
Quote: billryanBack in the 50s again.
It seems some people took the lessons of Reefer Madness to heart.
Dopers will justify their dope till
all all rhyme or reason is gone.
Ever take a pacifier away from
a baby? Their reaction is kinda
like that..
Quote: EvenBobDopers will justify their dope till
till all rhyme or reason is gone.
Ever take a pacifier away from
a baby? Their reaction is kinda
like that..
Eh, How many songs about alcohol have simple but truthful justifications such as “it’s 5 ‘o clock somewhere?”
Quote: rxwineEh, How many songs about alcohol have simple but truthful justifications such as “it’s 5 ‘o clock somewhere?”
Tons of famous writers were alcohol
users and abusers, they said it sparked
creativity. Pot does just the opposite, it
kills the creative drive. It just makes
you hungry and you stare at the TV
for hours eating bags of Doritos
and believing your life is going
somewhere.
Quote: EvenBobPot does just the opposite, it
kills the creative drive.
Bless your heart....
Quote: TigerWuBless your heart....
I've told this story before and it
needs retelling. Buddy Hackett
was just starting his career in
the late 40's and he's hang out
with the musicians at the club
he worked at. He would smoke
weed with them every night.
He thought his career was going
gangbusters until his manager
said he was dropping him because
his career was stopped in it's
tracks because of the weed. Buddy's
perception of gangbusters was
was really stagnation but he couldn't
see it. He quit the pot and his career
did take off like a rocket.
Here he is in Musicman,
Quote: EvenBobYou mean like when they were
saying cigarettes weren't safe
to smoke, but pot was? Not quite.
"Like tobacco smoke, marijuana smoke contains cancer-causing chemicals. There are 33 cancer-causing chemicals contained in marijuana. Marijuana smoke also deposits tar into the lungs. In fact, marijuana deposits four times as much tar into the lungs than tobacco does."
Perhaps true, but not relevant. A 2 pack a day smoker burns those things for 7 or so minutes each 40 times a day. Not a pot smoker, nor even around them hardly ever, but I think even a 'heavy' pot smoker goes a few minutes at a time 3 -4 times a day? So a 'per minute' tar deposit rate is not relevant.........
But I agree with you, Bob, that both are bad for you. As far as cancer alone, I'm pretty sure the evidence is convincing that cigarette smoking, in its usual amounts, is far worse than marijuana smoking.
Quote: rxwine
How ridiculous, apples and oranges.
What's next, heroin vs meth?
I disagree with that. Moderate marijuana use can help people solve complex problems because it frees your mind...allowing you to view a problem from a completely different perspective.Quote: EvenBobTons of famous writers were alcohol
users and abusers, they said it sparked
creativity. Pot does just the opposite, it
kills the creative drive. It just makes
you hungry and you stare at the TV
for hours eating bags of Doritos
and believing your life is going
somewhere.
Some of the more challenging math problems on this site require exactly that. Not necessarily rocket science, but a creative approach is needed
High alcohol intake might make you think you’re smarter, smoother, better driver when it’s actually reduced all your abilities except for doing stupid stuff you regret later .
That said I think they are both enjoyable and fairly harmless in moderation and in combination , like pretty much everything.
The 90's rocked for me. A young healthy single guy in his early 20s living in Vegas with a fairly open schedule, nice place, nice cars , lots of comps and money.Quote: EvenBobI hear people say they miss the 60's
or 70's or 90's or whatever. Not me,
I don't miss any of it. I'm sure in
1950 people missed the 20's. It's
because they have selective memories.
I remember all the crappy stuff too.
Nothing open on Sunday. B&W TV
with 3 stations to watch. 90% of
the news came from the newspaper
or weekly magazines. That was the
60's
Every decade had it's drawbacks that
I don't want to live thru again. I
marvel every day at how much better
my life is now than ever before. It's
because things are so convenient now,
inconvenience was the hallmark of
the past. Go back decade by decade,
it gets ridiculous.
What was life life without permanent
press clothes and dishwashers? A
pain. How about no fridges or vacuum
cleaners? How about the biggie, no
electric, and primitive hospitals.
I will take the present any day, screw
the past.
That's probably cuz no one really understands it. I guess technically one might be more potent/different than the other but in reality it's Just another marketing tool you probably can't really tell the difference.Quote: mcallister3200One thing is for sure, EB definitely doesn’t understand the difference between indica and sativa.
FYI I'm talking out my ass because I don't smoke it. I didn't have a good experience the first time I tried it, in fact, was quite the opposite. Perhaps one day I'll try again.
Quote: AxelWolfThe 90's rocked for me. A young healthy single guy in his early 20s living in Vegas with a fairly open schedule, nice place, nice cars , lots of comps and money.
if you were 23 in 1995 that would make you 48 now - WOW!!! - I thought you were younger
it won't be very long that I will be able to welcome you into the Senior community - enjoy bird watching? - how about dominoes? - checkers? - shuffleboard? special gentle tours of Europe? how about cooking shows on YT - you could visit EB and watch them together - your eligibility for Senior discounts will put you +EV at a lot of places!!!!!
😄 😄😄
Well, no wonder I can never figure them out... I'm not smoking enough pot! ;)Quote: Ace2Moderate marijuana use can help people solve complex problems because it frees your mind...allowing you to view a problem from a completely different perspective.
Some of the more challenging math problems on this site require exactly that.
One thing I did figure out about alcohol in college was that I could not drink and do math/engineering homework. After just 1 or 2 beers, I was completely useless -- did not have the concentration to power through those 'complex problems.'
However... I also learned that alcohol increases my recall abilities. We had a tough final at the end of one term, and just about everyone form the class met up at the local watering hole afterwards. I had another final later that day in an elective music class. I can't remember if I forgot about it, or just didn't care, but after several drinks, I realized that it was time to take the music final.
As such classes typically are, the final was basically fill-in-the-blank, with a few "Audio Daily Double" clues where we had to identify the piece/composer. I completely aced that final and was done in about half the time I would usually take on this type of test. Unfortunately, this was my senior year; so I never got the chance to apply this newfound knowledge of my drunken abilities to any other courses.
Quote: AZDuffmanThe whole problem is the "get high" culture. As I stated yesterday, it is what kept China off the world power stage and lost her the Opium wars. Nothing good comes out of a culture like this. You do not see successful people getting high all the time. You do see people with a mess of a life doing it. That is why they do it over and over for "recreation." To escape reality. Why are prisons full of dope? Why are Indian Reservations full of users? Why did the ghettos get filled with users?
It is all about give the masses something to forget the reality that is their life. And the more recreational use a person does, the more useless they become. This is the reason the powers in government banned the stuff in the first place. In the late 1800s the USA was a drunk, stoned, high nation of dope fiends. You could buy the stuff anywhere and everywhere. Now it is 100 years later and not only do we not have anyone who remembers that time alive, but nobody who met someone with a working memory of that time is alive. It is a societal cycle. We will see a legalization cycle now that will last a generation. In 20 years you may be able to buy a speedball for recreation at Walgreens.
As I said, I kind of no longer care. I would rather deal with being around a nation of dope fiends than an over policed state where they want to search my car for an out tail light. In such a society, those of us who do not partake and have a little motivation rise easily to the top.
Put more simply, spend all the time looking for a "study showing more people becoming disfunctional" as you like. I don't need a study telling me the more time you spend getting high the less functional you are. Same as I do not need a study saying dog food the dogs don't eat won't sell.
Apart from the fact that people having a hard time often seek escape, this is just more stuff you made up.
Another way people escape is into silly, simplistic political narrative and dogma. Left, right, weirdo, it's always about how the dogmatist is morally and intellectually superior.
The don't usually do research or real reading but they know all the answers based on made up gibber jabber. They aren't volunteering and their own life might not be very enviable but their always on their high horse.
Anyway, if people are gonna escape, I think pot is far better than booze or that stuff.
Quote: Rigondeaux
Anyway, if people are gonna escape, I think pot is far better than booze or that stuff.
I think sleep is the best escape. Abuse Zolpidem.
Even caffeine will help you focus and remember stuff. You take it when studying and again when testing. Though I think the kids all use Addy now.
I've found alcohol does help with writing. I guess for the same reasons it's a social lubricant. Though, in both cases, some dumb stuff will come out. With writing you can edit it out later. Sadly... Not so with social situations. Like this one time I was talking to a girl and thought it would be a good idea to tell her about the Mr. Hands video.
Pot helps with music and looking at things from a new angle. Letting go of your self and seeing things for themselves.
I watched a documentary on LSD. It has tremendous benefits for some people, especially if they have anxiety or depression. Seems to me like stronger pot. Letting go of the self, seeing things more objectively.
Of these, alcohol is the most unhealthy, destructive and costly to society, by far.
Quote: RigondeauxApart from the fact that people having a hard time often seek escape, this is just more stuff you made up.
Not at all. It is all true. Have you studied any history and seen what the period 1865-1910s was like? Morphine, cocaine, and heroin available in stores all over. Drinking rates many times higher than today. Have you seen the rates of abuse among the lower classes? Ever watch "Live PD" and see higher class people with a car full of pot get hauled in? Or is it more "edge of life" folks.
There is a reason things got banned. The bad effects were seen at the time. Booze was a step too far so it was dialed back. But by the time it was, drinking rates had fallen by like 90%.
Quote:Another way people escape is into silly, simplistic political narrative and dogma. Left, right, weirdo, it's always about how the dogmatist is morally and intellectually superior.
The don't usually do research or real reading but they know all the answers based on made up gibber jabber. They aren't volunteering and their own life might not be very enviable but their always on their high horse.
Depends what you call "research" or "real reading." I don't read the NORML pres releases if that is what you mean. But I have a lifetime of reading and education under my belt. I have seen the effects of pot on people, and they have not been good.
Quote:Anyway, if people are gonna escape, I think pot is far better than booze or that stuff.
100% opinion on your part.
Sounds like our current opiod epidemic. Doctors over prescribed opiods. It was partly driven by the Civil War. But at one point most addicts were women, as it was given for things like menstrual cramps and hysteria.
How this relates to contemporary mj use in your mind... I can only imagine. Seems about as relevant as the crack epidemic is to aderal or smoking.
Quote:100% opinion on your part.
Arguing with flat earther types is a waste of time. But oh well.
But a quick Google shows the earth is round.
Health effects of booze.
"Over time, excessive alcohol use can lead to the development of chronic diseases and other serious problems including: High blood pressure, heart disease, stroke, liver disease, and digestive problems. Cancer of the breast, mouth, throat, esophagus, liver, and colon."
There is no ready summary of the effects of pot but they include possible dependance, impaired brain development for kids and maybe slight cancer risks.
You can die from OD of booze and from the withdrawals. Not so with pot.
You can get so messed up on booze you black out and do all kinds of crap. Not pot.
Driving stoned is bad. Driving drunk is worse. Though, it is hard to catch some driving stoned.
Google alcohol violence. Google Marijuana violence.
I know, I know. The earth is flat because... Whatever.
Quote: RigondeauxDoctors over prescribed opiods.
Didn't need a scrip in 1900, you
could buy heroin, morphine, cocaine,
over the counter. As much as you
wanted.
Quote:Health effects of booze.
"Over time, excessive alcohol use can lead to the development of chronic diseases and other serious problems including:
Excessive pot use can lead to: Hallucinations, Delusions, Impaired memory, Disorientation. Loss of coordination,
Trouble with thinking and problem-solving
Quote:it is hard to catch some driving stoned.
Not at all. They look for erratic driving
and the smell of pot coming from the
car. The pupils of the drivers eyes are a dead
giveaway also. The same coordination
tests are given for pot as alcohol. Watch
Live PD, cops catch them all the time.
If you smoked in the last hour or so,
especially in a car, your clothes will reek
of the sickening cat piss smell of pot.
Cops now are trained to detect it.
I think one of the 2 real concerns with pot is it's hard to catch dwis. And a lot of people think it is OK to drive high. But if you disagree because of something you saw on the boob tube, then I guess pot is less bad than I thought.
The other legitimate concern is use during pregnancy.
Quote: RigondeauxI think one of the 2 real concerns with pot is it's hard to catch dwis.
It's not hard AT ALL, why do you
keep saying that. If a high person
is driving erratically, just like a
drunk person, a cop will know
he's high immediately by the
size of his pupils. That right there
is enough for him to administer
field sobriety tests. Pot makes
you just as uncoordinated as
booze does. Next time your high
try standing with one leg off the
ground 6" straight out in front
of you, for 10 seconds. Stand still
no moving..
Quote: RigondeauxI didn't know much about the drug epidemic of the 19th century. I read an article about it in the Smithsonian.
Sounds like our current opiod epidemic. Doctors over prescribed opiods. It was partly driven by the Civil War. But at one point most addicts were women, as it was given for things like menstrual cramps and hysteria.
How this relates to contemporary mj use in your mind... I can only imagine. Seems about as relevant as the crack epidemic is to aderal or smoking.
It is quite simple when you understand the big picture.
It is about seeking escape thru a pill or a joint. But in may ways pot is worse. Morphine use went crazy post Civil War as soldiers got hooked while under care. These guys were often missing limbs and were in extreme pain. Eventually there were "patent medicines" all over the country. There was a pill for anything and any reason. Pop a pill and feel better.
There is your connection. While there are medical uses for the stuff, that is not why most people are using mj. Right here on this board people say they want to use it to get high. To get baked, To escape reality, All the excuses of "it makes me write better music" do not stand up. To get high is the reason.
The connection continues with other drug use out there. Meth, coke, and heroin being the major ones. The chemical composition and mode of action are not the issue. The issue is people just wanting to get high off anything. That is the path we are going down, and that path will end with the USA being Opium China at some point. I figure in a generation, maybe two.
You can say it is "better than people drinking to get drunk" but that carries no real weight. You just want to get high in either case.
Balance deleted because EB answered already.
and then you want to state or imply that it's a horrible thing to do - self destruction............................hmmmmm
never mind weed - but if you tried to make a list of all the people who have made spectacular accomplishments in their lives who occasionally had a drink - or even drank quite often - that would be a very, very, long list
and the argument falls apart - getting buzzed does not mean you're throwing your life away
Quote: EvenBobIt's not hard AT ALL, why do you
keep saying that. If a high person
is driving erratically, just like a
drunk person, a cop will know
he's high immediately by the
size of his pupils. That right there
is enough for him to administer
field sobriety tests. Pot makes
you just as uncoordinated as
booze does. Next time your high
try standing with one leg off the
ground 6" straight out in front
of you, for 10 seconds. Stand still
no moving..
Sorry but that isn't admissible. The problem is with pot the only way (for now) to detect it's presence in the body is via a blood test that can not be done in the field. Not the case with booze where the results of a field Breathalyzer test provide timely and objective data. What the cop "knows" by looking at the your eyes doesn't count. The only thing they could write you up for is bad driving. If, however, you are driving at the correct speed, staying in your lane, etc it wouldn't matter how wasted you are.
Quote: lilredroosterif you want to equate people getting high with weed to getting high with alcohol - that's fine
and then you want to state or imply that it's a horrible thing to do - self destruction............................hmmmmm
never mind weed - but if you tried to make a list of all the people who have made spectacular accomplishments in their lives who occasionally had a drink - or even drank quite often - that would be a very, very, long list
and the argument falls apart - getting buzzed does not mean you're throwing your life away
Not a real comparison. A drink or a few is not the same as getting high all night. Never has been.
Quote: AZDuffmanNot a real comparison. A drink or a few is not the same as getting high all night. Never has been.
it's very similar - just as some people get high all night some people get drunk all night - doesn't mean everybody who gets high or has a drink goes to extremes
this is one of the reasons there was Prohibition in America - and this is one of the reasons Prohibition was repealed
Quote: lilredroosterit's very similar - just as some people get high all night some people get drunk all night - doesn't mean everybody who gets high or has a drink goes to extremes
this is one of the reasons there was Prohibition in America - and this is one of the reasons Prohibition was repealed
Difference is it is easy to have just one drink. Or to have a social few drinks not to get drunk. Pot smokers always do it to get high for a longer period.
Quote: TumblingBonesSorry but that isn't admissible.
Sorry, but it is. If a cop smells pot on
you, checks your pupils, and you
flunk a field sobriety test, you will
get arrested for driving while
impaired. Especially when they
search your vehicle and find the
slightest amount of weed, which
they usually do if you're high.
All of them, always ?Quote: AZDuffmanPot smokers always do it to get high for a longer period.
Quote: EvenBobQuote: rxwine
How ridiculous, apples and oranges.
What's next, heroin vs meth?
I think you’re just upset the stoners beat the drunks.
Vaping marijuana has a very minor scent. It can be done with essentially zero scent. People vape it on airplanes and no one knows.Quote: EvenBob
If you smoked in the last hour or so,
especially in a car, your clothes will reek
of the sickening cat piss smell of pot.
Cops now are trained to detect it.
Quote: EvenBobSorry, but it is. If a cop smells pot on
you, checks your pupils, and you
flunk a field sobriety test, you will
get arrested for driving while
impaired. Especially when they
search your vehicle and find the
slightest amount of weed, which
they usually do if you're high.
There is one error and one oversight in your analysis.
As I previously stated, there is no known field sobriety test for cannabis metabolites. So unless by this you mean some generic impairment test (e.g., "Hop up and down on one foot while reciting the alphabet") there is a problem, especially in states with legalized recreational pot (currently 11 states).
That's the part you're overlooking. If you get pulled over in one of the 11 and your car smells of pot, so what? The situation is now analogous to drinking. Has some age restriction been violated (driver under 21)? Is there the equivalent to an "open container law" for pot? The bottom line is that in the case of booze cops rely on the Breathalyzer to determine somebody is DUI but "DUI" is defined in part as exceeding a precisely defined blood alcohol level. They can't do that with pot.
So if you get pulled over in one of the 11 states (or you have a valid prescription in one of the 30 medical marijuana states) having some weed (or edibles or vape oil or whatever) is not going to suffice.
Quote: billryanSmoking pot turned me into a newt.
A newt?
Quote: billryanSmoking pot turned me into a newt.
A newt?
Quote: rxwine
I think you’re just upset the stoners beat the drunks.
The stoners seem to be the ones losing here. Their posts reek of them seeking approval by saying “it ain’t as bad as other stuff.”
They do not state how getting stoned is a great thing.
Quote: AZDuffmanThe stoners seem to be the ones losing here. Their posts reek of them seeking approval by saying “it ain’t as bad as other stuff.”
They do not state how getting stoned is a great thing.
One of the issues here, seems to be whether the world would be better off with pot users vs alcohol consumers.
While I don’t think enough evidence is in on pot users, I’m less than optimistic that alcohol has brought a net good.
Quote: TumblingBones
if you get pulled over in one of the 11 and your car smells of pot, so what?
This is just
So driving under the influence of
pot in every state makes you get
tested for impairment. If you
smell of booze you get tested.
Same tests, if you flunk the cop
has probable cause to arrest you.
I don't see how people drive when
they're high, my reaction time was
awful when I smoked weed. And
that wasn't the modern strong
stuff. I'd much rather drive after
a couple drinks,
This is just Colorado:
Q: How does marijuana affect my ability to drive?
A: You cannot judge your own level of impairment. Any amount of marijuana consumption puts you at risk of driving impaired.
Q: Is there a legal limit for marijuana impairment while operating a vehicle?
A: Colorado law specifies that drivers with five nanograms of active tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) in their whole blood can be prosecuted for driving under the influence (DUI). However, no matter the level of THC, law enforcement officers base arrests on observed impairment.
https://www.codot.gov/safety/alcohol-and-impaired-driving/druggeddriving/marijuana-and-driving
