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Quote: GenoDRPhQuote: billryanRobert Horrey has more rings than Michael Jordan, Kareem, or LeBron.
My friend Danny Green won titles on three different teams. Bill Russell only won titles with one team.
If I tell you Frank Ramsey has seven rings, do you think he was a great player or that he played for Bill Russell's Celtics?
Play a game: You are an NBA GM with the first pick in the draft. Boston calls you and offers you Sam and K.C.Jones for it. While you are thinking it over, the Knicks call and offer Clyde and Earl the Pearl. Which offer do you accept?
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Give me players who will win me championships, each and every time.
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Championships have a lot more luck involved in them. In the case of baseball, you play 162 games in the regular season to determine who's the best team in the division, then they play a 5 game series to determine who is the better of two teams. That doesn't hold up to much mathematical scrutiny.
Then, especially when you have long seasons, the team in the postseason is not the same team that played all of those regular season games. You could be the team that was winning at a record setting pace until half your pitching staff goes down with Tommy John. Or that could be your opponent. Luck.
Quote: billryanI'm guessing AM isn't much of a baseball fan.
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On the contrary, it's the only sport I really follow! And I even have an autographed Larsen-Berra photo up on the wall.
But that just reminds me of the luck element, especially in the postseason. Don Larsen was by no means a great pitcher and had gotten shelled a few games before, couldn't keep the ball over the plate, and then pitched a perfect game against the same team a few days later. What is that, if not luck in the extreme?
Quote: billryanQuote: GenoDRPhQuote: billryanRobert Horrey has more rings than Michael Jordan, Kareem, or LeBron.
My friend Danny Green won titles on three different teams. Bill Russell only won titles with one team.
If I tell you Frank Ramsey has seven rings, do you think he was a great player or that he played for Bill Russell's Celtics?
Play a game: You are an NBA GM with the first pick in the draft. Boston calls you and offers you Sam and K.C.Jones for it. While you are thinking it over, the Knicks call and offer Clyde and Earl the Pearl. Which offer do you accept?
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Give me players who will win me championships, each and every time.
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I guess you weren't much of a Ted Williams fan. How sucky does one have to be to play 19 seasons and not manage to even sniff a title?
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On the contrary, we revere Williams. We named a tunnel after him even.But he never won a WS. Would we have supported his trade in exchange for a WS victory? In a heartbeat. Do you think anyone in Dallas regrets the Herschel Walker trade?
Quote: GenoDRPhGive me players who will win me championships, each and every time.
in 1966 the Celtics won the Championship
in that same year the Detroit Pistons were in last place in the Western Division with a record of 22-58
what chance do you think they would have had of winning a Championship if K.C. Jones and Sam Jones had been on that team - ?
slim and none
players such as K.C. Jones and Sam Jones who played on a great many Championship teams deserve a lot of credit
but much of the reason they got so many Championship rings was due to luck
they were lucky to be on the same team as Bill Russell
there are other NBA guards who could have done as well with the Celtics and Bill Russell as they did
they don't deserve to considered better or equal to some others who didn't have that kind of luck - such as Oscar Robertson and Jerry West
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After his retirement, Dave became the ABA commissioner and was responsible for resolving the long-delayed merger between the NBA and the ABA.
Quote: lilredroosterQuote: GenoDRPhGive me players who will win me championships, each and every time.
in 1966 the Celtics won the Championship
in that same year the Detroit Pistons were in last place in the Western Division with a record of 22-58
what chance do you think they would have had of winning a Championship if K.C. Jones and Sam Jones had been on that team - ?
slim and none
players such as K.C. Jones and Sam Jones who played on a great many Championship teams deserve a lot of credit
but much of the reason they got so many Championship rings was due to luck
they were lucky to be on the same team as Bill Russell
there are other NBA guards who could have done as well with the Celtics and Bill Russell as they did
they don't deserve to considered better or equal to some others who didn't have that kind of luck - such as Oscar Robertson and Jerry West
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They would've had a better chance at winning it all with KC and Sam than without. But they also had Dave Bing, who was a good player. Tell me you prefer Bin over KC or Sam.
As far as luck, as Thomas Jefferson once possible said, in addition to "I'm not the father, Sally", about luck "I'm a great believer in luck, and I find the harder I work, the more I have of it." KC and Sam would agree.
Perhaps the most dominant basketball player of all time, Mikan and his Minneapolis Lakers won five NBA titles, and the basketball world had to make multiple rule changes to allow others to compete with him. Both the offensive three-second rule and goaltending were introduced because of him, and most people attribute the widening of the foul lines to him. When the Lakers adopted a defense where four players guarded the perimeter, and Mikan stood in front of the basket swatting away every shot, the no zone defense rule was adopted. At that point in time, there was a center jump after every basket. Since he won almost every jump, the rules were changed so that the team that didn't score got the ball.
Mikan was not very athletic, but he was 6-11 in a league that had few men over 6-4. Legendary coach Ray Meyer discovered Mikan on campus and made him a personal project. He taught him a hook shot that was almost unstoppable In nine seasons across three leagues, he won seven titles, and his presence on the Lakers was one of the main reasons the NBA emerged as the dominant league.
After basketball, he became a very successful businessman and co-founded the ABA, serving as its first Commissioner.
He also helped organize an early players' association and was a leader in establishing pension plans for pro sports. He led the fight to bring an expansion basketball team to Minnesota.
excellent post about Mikan
I didn't think yt would have vids of him it's so far back
but yt is so great - they do have some:
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https://www.youtube.com/shorts/hPczv9UyUCQ
Quote: EvenBobI had to post this video because it is so spot on. This was what my childhood was like in the 1950s. We used to have actual BB gun fights and we didn't wear any protection. The rule was we just couldn't aim for the head. Car seats for kids? My dad always bought used Cadillacs and when I was little my favorite place to ride was in that crawl space underneath the back window. Probably the unsafest place in the entire vehicle. And she's right we drank out of the water hose because we were not allowed back in the house because my mother was either baking bread or mopping the floors or vacuuming or taking a nap and it just wasn't worth the hassle of her yelling at us and potentially sending us to our room. The 4000 comments is where all the good stuff is. Some profanity in the video Profanity is everywhere now.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/hPczv9UyUCQ
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That link led me to a video about shaving beards. You didn't have a beard in childhood, did you?
Quote: AutomaticMonkeyQuote: EvenBobI had to post this video because it is so spot on. This was what my childhood was like in the 1950s. We used to have actual BB gun fights and we didn't wear any protection. The rule was we just couldn't aim for the head. Car seats for kids? My dad always bought used Cadillacs and when I was little my favorite place to ride was in that crawl space underneath the back window. Probably the unsafest place in the entire vehicle. And she's right we drank out of the water hose because we were not allowed back in the house because my mother was either baking bread or mopping the floors or vacuuming or taking a nap and it just wasn't worth the hassle of her yelling at us and potentially sending us to our room. The 4000 comments is where all the good stuff is. Some profanity in the video Profanity is everywhere now.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/hPczv9UyUCQ
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That link led me to a video about shaving beards. You didn't have a beard in childhood, did you?
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Oops. Here's the right one
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/GEfUbUGMygs
"you never got me down Ray; you never got me down."
this is highlights of the real fight that was featured in the popular movie "Raging Bull" with Robert DeNiro
reports indicate that LaMotta actually did say that after the TKO
LaMotta and Robinson fought 6 times - LaMotta won only once
it looks to me like LaMotta did quite well for in some parts of the fight before the TKO
YT rocks steady with great stuff like this
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Larry Holmes vs. Ken Norton - 1978 - is considered by many to be one the greatest heavyweight battles in boxing history
the last round - 15 - was incredible
1978 - Leon Spinks shocked the world upsetting Muhammad Ali and taking his World Title
Leon dominated the fight
Ali didn't take Leon seriously enough and was a little bit pudgy
Leno made him pay the price for that
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Leon was a publicist's dream- former Marine, Olympic champion, ect,ect- until he became a publicist's worst nightmare. I attended the rematch that September, after a five-day van trip from NY to New Orleans. In many ways, it was my first adult vacation.
down goes Frazier_________said Howard Cosell 6 times
yes, believe it or not it's true
George Foreman knocked Joe Frazier down 6 times in their first fight in the first 2 rounds
and each time Joe popped right back up ready to fight some more until the fight was stopped after the sixth knockdown
incredible - that Joe had the grit to keep getting up and wanting to continue
and incredible - that an idiotic referee would let a fighter continue fighting after being knocked down 3 times
r.i.p. Muhammad Ali, George Foreman and Joe Frazier
they were all so great and gave boxing fans so much
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the thrilla in Manila
the two great Champions go at it for a 3rd time
Ali later said about the fight: "it was like death. the closest thing to dyin' that I know of"
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"AI Overview
Muhammad Ali collapsed in his corner from sheer exhaustion immediately after the 14th round of his third fight with Joe Frazier, known as "The Thrilla in Manila" on October 1, 1975
Because the fight took place in the sweltering heat of the Philippines, both men pushed far beyond human limits
The Stoppage:
At the end of the 14th round, Ali was so depleted that he told his trainer to cut his gloves off and that he was done. Across the ring, Frazier's trainer, Eddie Futch, made the decision to stop the fight because Frazier's eyes were swollen shut.
The Aftermath:
When the referee declared Ali the winner by TKO, Ali rose from his stool, attempted to raise his arms in victory, and instantly collapsed"
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Quote:“To have Mother’s Day the burdensome, wasteful, expensive gift day that Christmas and other special days have become, is not our pleasure,” she said in 1920, according to National Geographic. “If the American people are not willing to protect Mother’s Day from the hordes of money schemers that would overwhelm it with their schemes, then we shall cease having a Mother’s Day — and we know how.”
Jarvis herself never profited from her idea. In 1948, at the age of 84, she died penniless — having used all her money to fight the holiday’s commercialization — in a sanitarium.
But there's also an earlier contested connection to an anti-war movement.
https://www.goodhousekeeping.com/holidays/mothers-day/g32129906/mothers-day-origin/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=mgu_ga_ghk_md_pmx_prog_org_us_19597983321&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=19597985697&gbraid=0AAAAADA2MEq1290--3Qn_njZKJxur6atv&gclid=Cj0KCQjw2YDQBhD_ARIsAE1qeScqZjiOULRWX0uVMF50p3oMqe-77yQX1EPTegAT1ENqGe8ihnuwGsoaAn3xEALw_wcB
rope- a - dope
that was how Ali described his strategy for defeating Foreman in "the rumble in the jungle"
lay on the ropes and let Foreman punch himself out
it worked - but actually Ali took a lot of punishment from Foreman before that happened
I have no idea how he withstood it
he truly was the GOAT
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"The fact that he did not punch me when i was going to fall .. made him the greatest of all in my eyes"
George Foreman
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Quote: EvenBobEver been in a real fight where you have to defend yourself? After about 30 seconds you're done You're totally exhausted. Saw lots of fights in the bar none of them even lasted 30 seconds. Imagine the condition you have to be in to stay in the ring with somebody round after round after round. We can't even imagine being in that kind of condition
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Nonsense, like most of the crap I've seen you post.
Quote: EvenBobEver been in a real fight where you have to defend yourself? After about 30 seconds you're done You're totally exhausted. Saw lots of fights in the bar none of them even lasted 30 seconds. Imagine the condition you have to be in to stay in the ring with somebody round after round after round. We can't even imagine being in that kind of condition
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I have been in fights, yes. Bar fights are very different from ring fights, because you usually end up on the ground very quickly and because something is likely to be grabbed as a weapon. A good rule for avoiding bar fights is to not stay in a bar when sober! Some drunk guy who thinks he's a comedian can annoy you to the point where you want to fight, while if you're just as drunk as he is you will probably think he's just as funny as he does.
Here's how the Rope-A-Dope works: in the ring most of your power both offensive and defensive comes from your legs. When you throw the punch your feet are firmly on the ground and your legs are propelling you forward. That's the biggest reason why there are weight classes: because a heavier guy can push the lighter guy, keeping him always back on his heels (that's where that aphorism comes from) and he can't get anything on a punch. Even an unskilled heavyweight (like me!) can do that to a very good lightweight boxer, and what they are doing won't resemble boxing and won't be a test of anything, thus weight classes.
On defense it's the same thing but reversed- you use your legs to absorb the energy of the opponent's punch, which you have to do even if you block the punch with your gloves. If you try to use your triceps and shoulders for that too long, now it's your arms against his legs and you will lose. So you use your legs, let the energy of the blow move your body then use your legs to stop your body. But that is fatiguing too. Ali's strategy was ingenious in that he used the spring of the ropes (semi-elastic) to stop his body, resting his legs, while George was straining, getting all his energy into the punches which ended up being absorbed by the ropes.
Quote: EvenBobLook at Jay Leno grinning as he drives this car. Him and I are the same age, we both got our first driver's license in the mid 1960s and we were totally aware of these cars. Our friends had them We saw them everywhere and we even drove them sometimes. In 1970 I had a 1967 Chevelle SS 396. Whenever you took off in that car within seconds you were doing 60 miles an hour without even thinking about it. They were monsters and we had them from about 1964 to 1973 but of course when you're in that era do you think it's never going to end. I feel very privileged to have had a driver's license through most of that era and owned some of these cars. They were an awesome experience that people today will never know.
It took the insurance companies a few years to catch on. I heard many kids bought a big-block and wrecked it within a week. The speed with which the muscle car era ended was amazing. 1970 was the peak, 1971 you could still build a muscle car but it was harder. 1972 it was basically all over.
George Foreman once bragged that he could whip Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier in the same night. From that came an absurd, made-for-television afternoon in Montreal where Foreman fought five men in three-round exhibitions. Howard Cosell was the main announcer, with Ali supposedly doing color, but all he does is scream at Foreman and push his appearance at a Florida shopping mall.
The first fight went as expected, with Foreman easily knocking out the designated bum. The second bout was more competitive and ended in a bizarre way. It looked like Foreman was going to congratulate the fighter, but words were exchanged, and they ended up rolling around the ring, WWE style. In the third fight, Foreman tells the ref to stop the fight, even though his opponent seems unhurt. As the ref is in the corner, with his back to the fighters, they resume fighting. Foreman is acting like a huge penis( not my first choice of terms, but we mustn't offend anyone), and the crowd turns against him. It actually gets worse with the last fighters.
There is a 20-minute highlight of the event on YouTube, but it fails to capture its absurdity,ou really need to watch the entire one-hour broadcast to realize the absurdity of the day, as George Foreman turned from a beloved national hero to an unfiltered boogeyman you wouldn't want near your wives and kids. It's vintage Howard Cosell with an over-the-top Muhammad Ali serving as the cherry on top.
Quote: billryanForeman Fights Five.
George Foreman once bragged that he could whip Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier in the same night. From that came an absurd, made-for-television afternoon in Montreal where Foreman fought five men in three-round exhibitions. Howard Cosell was the main announcer, with Ali supposedly doing color, but all he does is scream at Foreman and push his appearance at a Florida shopping mall.
The first fight went as expected, with Foreman easily knocking out the designated bum. The second bout was more competitive and ended in a bizarre way. It looked like Foreman was going to congratulate the fighter, but words were exchanged, and they ended up rolling around the ring, WWE style. In the third fight, Foreman tells the ref to stop the fight, even though his opponent seems unhurt. As the ref is in the corner, with his back to the fighters, they resume fighting. Foreman is acting like a huge penis( not my first choice of terms, but we mustn't offend anyone), and the crowd turns against him. It actually gets worse with the last fighters.
There is a 20-minute highlight of the event on YouTube, but it fails to capture its absurdity,ou really need to watch the entire one-hour broadcast to realize the absurdity of the day, as George Foreman turned from a beloved national hero to an unfiltered boogeyman you wouldn't want near your wives and kids. It's vintage Howard Cosell with an over-the-top Muhammad Ali serving as the cherry on top.
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No one cares. More useless information.
