Remember When

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I had a Dream last night where I was back in the 1980's. We did not have cell phones and internet and yet everybody managed fine. I was horrified, how did we win bar bets with no cell phone and internet?
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I went to lots of estate sale auctions in the middle of nowhere and there was no GPS in the 80s So I had a giant Michigan county by county map book. It was about 18 inches by 18 inches and I would plot my course before I left home and I never got lost once. These idiots who deliver groceries from Walmart constantly have trouble finding my house and they have GPS. When I was young we used to say people like that couldn't find their ass with both hands and a flashlight and boy is that true now.
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I was talking about old school maps at work. Girl says "yeah, mapquest was primitive." I say, "no, MAPS! Paper!"

She is smart but too young to remember having to find it on a map. I was taught to read maps starting at like age 6-7 because it was an important skill.

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one of the greatest old movies imho
the gangs fight - the 2nd vid is the actual fight

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Lee Marvin reportedly told Angie Dickenson, to go at him and don't hold back. She either did, or this is really good fake acting.

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Lee Marvin reportedly told Angie Dickenson, to go at him and don't hold back. She either did, or this is really good fake acting.

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Camera trick, and a good one! She did that very slowly, and they sped up the film. Clues: mostly his reaction, not flinching or recoiling from the blows. You can tell the sound is dubbed in afterward, doesn't quite match the action. And they don't let you see anything fall because if something is falling faster than gravity would accelerate that you would definitely know something is "not right." So they don't let you see the purse fall, and when she drops to her knees at the end they are back in real-time filming, so watch how her action subtly changes.

Also she would have a good chance of hurting her hands (or poking his eye) doing that for real so I doubt the producer or the Guild would let her. Quite a disappointment if they had to stop filming because Angie's hand is in a cast, or Lee is wearing an eye patch.

This German hydrogen airship flew 1 million miles and carried 24 passengers. Even flew to the Arctic. Was scrapped after the Hindenburg accident.

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This German hydrogen airship flew 1 million miles and carried 24 passengers. Even flew to the Arctic. Was scrapped after the Hindenburg accident.


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It's almost science fiction that these things existed for public transit almost 100 years ago

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This German hydrogen airship flew 1 million miles and carried 24 passengers. Even flew to the Arctic. Was scrapped after the Hindenburg accident.


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It's almost science fiction that these things existed for public transit almost 100 years ago
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Not that astonishing, if you consider that the Montgolfiers flew their balloons in the 18th century. This is really the same thing, just with a different shape, different lift gas, and with engines similar to those already being used in millions of cars.

the debate was still on in the 1930s as to whether it would be airplanes or airships that would carry passengers. Great progress was being made as to the speed of airplanes, but it was still true that they had to make too many stops in those days, so there were plenty of advocates for the lighter than air when it came to comfort, distance, and having a lot of passengers. Terrible accidents finally made people decide it was going to be the airplane ... the Germans seemed to be the only ones to maintain a safety record for airships, then there was the Hindenburg

the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!”   She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder

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the debate was still on in the 1930s as to whether it would be airplanes or airships that would carry passengers. Great progress was being made as to the speed of airplanes, but it was still true that they had to make too many stops in those days, so there were plenty of advocates for the lighter than air when it came to comfort, distance, and having a lot of passengers. Terrible accidents finally made people decide it was going to be the airplane ... the Germans seemed to be the only ones to maintain a safety record for airships, then there was the Hindenburg
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Once you start considering you're riding on a big flaming bomb a match away from igniting, it's not so attractive.

I would still ride one today. The odds are pretty good you survive one trip which is all I'd ever do.

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the debate was still on in the 1930s as to whether it would be airplanes or airships that would carry passengers. Great progress was being made as to the speed of airplanes, but it was still true that they had to make too many stops in those days, so there were plenty of advocates for the lighter than air when it came to comfort, distance, and having a lot of passengers. Terrible accidents finally made people decide it was going to be the airplane ... the Germans seemed to be the only ones to maintain a safety record for airships, then there was the Hindenburg
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Once you start considering you're riding on a big flaming bomb a match away from igniting, it's not so attractive.

I would still ride one today. The odds are pretty good you survive one trip which is all I'd ever do.
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None of the ones flown today use hydrogen. It's only about 15% more effective than helium as a lift gas anyway.

In the Hindenburg accident most people died from jumping. Hydrogen is very light and its flames go up. Its combustion product H₂O is also lighter than air and goes up. The people ride on the bottom of the bag and the ones who waited for it to hit the ground walked away.

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the debate was still on in the 1930s as to whether it would be airplanes or airships that would carry passengers. Great progress was being made as to the speed of airplanes, but it was still true that they had to make too many stops in those days, so there were plenty of advocates for the lighter than air when it came to comfort, distance, and having a lot of passengers. Terrible accidents finally made people decide it was going to be the airplane ... the Germans seemed to be the only ones to maintain a safety record for airships, then there was the Hindenburg
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Once you start considering you're riding on a big flaming bomb a match away from igniting, it's not so attractive.

I would still ride one today. The odds are pretty good you survive one trip which is all I'd ever do.
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I think I heard that the real problem was the rubber bladder painted with aluminum. A rubber/aluminum mixture was commonly being used as a solid rocket fuel around that time.

I would absolutely ride on an airship. The reports I've heard said that the main constraint is weight, not volume - they're often big and roomy, because there's not really a dimensional penalty. The downside is that they tend to move only marginally faster than the speed of smell. Great for leisurely sightseeing or loitering above a sporting event, lousy for getting anywhere in a particular hurry.

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the debate was still on in the 1930s as to whether it would be airplanes or airships that would carry passengers. Great progress was being made as to the speed of airplanes, but it was still true that they had to make too many stops in those days, so there were plenty of advocates for the lighter than air when it came to comfort, distance, and having a lot of passengers. Terrible accidents finally made people decide it was going to be the airplane ... the Germans seemed to be the only ones to maintain a safety record for airships, then there was the Hindenburg
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Once you start considering you're riding on a big flaming bomb a match away from igniting, it's not so attractive.

I would still ride one today. The odds are pretty good you survive one trip which is all I'd ever do.
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I think I heard that the real problem was the rubber bladder painted with aluminum. A rubber/aluminum mixture was commonly being used as a solid rocket fuel around that time.

I would absolutely ride on an airship. The reports I've heard said that the main constraint is weight, not volume - they're often big and roomy, because there's not really a dimensional penalty. The downside is that they tend to move only marginally faster than the speed of smell. Great for leisurely sightseeing or loitering above a sporting event, lousy for getting anywhere in a particular hurry.
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Aluminized rubber? That would explain why it caught fire when it made contact with a mast. That bag is going to develop a huge static charge up there, and with the conductive surface all that charge can get to one place very quickly and it's going to be like a lightning strike.

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<snip>The downside is that they tend to move only marginally faster than the speed of smell. <snip>
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Dieter,

The Hindenburg could cross the Atlantic in a bit over 2 days, which was much faster than the 4 to 6 days needed by ocean liners.

Of course, nowadays jets are a bit faster 😂

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