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They used to sell big open wooden boxes of live "peeps" otherwise known as chicks. All that peeping. They may still do that in smaller country towns during Easter.
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A number of stores do. Many local rural feed & seed dealers, Tractor Supply, Rural King... etc. I see the signs out front, "We have chicks".

As far as I know, Easter just often happens to coincide with when the agriculturists find it useful to get young chicks for the upcoming growing season. (The large commercial operations raise new flocks year round, in spite of the seasons.)

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I still can't convince Ashly that the grandparents don't actually want pictures of the kids on the bunny's lap. I'm choosing my battles.

You are a wise man. A man is not allowed to imply anything negative about the grandkids.

I was in an antique mall north of Tucson when something in a showcase caught my eye. It was an original 1965 Fireball XL-5 27-inch rocket, in its box with all the accessories. I saw one twenty years ago, and have always kicked myself for not paying the $600 the seller wanted. This seller is asking $20,000, but hinted he'd go for $16,000 for an all-cash deal.

AI is getting pretty amazing. A Gen Z person would see nothing in this video. I recognize 90% of them. If AI is this good now, in five years it will be knocking your socks off.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r9mWWE624A

I just asked A.I.: What’s the deal with the staccato-style notes associated with 1950s supermarket music or some other kid of linoleum-based imagery?

It gave a pretty thorough analysis! The summary: It's the sound of optimism as interior design — a world where every surface is clean, every problem is manageable, and the vibraphone tells you everything is going to be fine.

Here's an example song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xELDqIyrtNA&list=PLf5ENiU6WPt0aX31n7cBj-Lu_L5XXcj8b

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AI is getting pretty amazing. A Gen Z person would see nothing in this video. I recognize 90% of them. If AI is this good now, in five years it will be knocking your socks off.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r9mWWE624A
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Now that IS scary. I’d love to show that to my parents. If they were alive.

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I just asked A.I.: What’s the deal with the staccato-style notes associated with 1950s supermarket music or some other kid of linoleum-based imagery?

It gave a pretty thorough analysis! The summary: It's the sound of optimism as interior design — a world where every surface is clean, every problem is manageable, and the vibraphone tells you everything is going to be fine.

Here's an example song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xELDqIyrtNA&list=PLf5ENiU6WPt0aX31n7cBj-Lu_L5XXcj8b
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I heard that exact type of music constantly in TV commercials in the late 1950s and very early 1960s. Things like car commercials and large appliance commercials, like refrigerators, washers, and dryers. It makes you feel like by spending the big money on these things, your life will be very happy. You envy people who had these things, because their life must be truly glorious.

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I just asked A.I.: What’s the deal with the staccato-style notes associated with 1950s supermarket music or some other kid of linoleum-based imagery?

It gave a pretty thorough analysis! The summary: It's the sound of optimism as interior design — a world where every surface is clean, every problem is manageable, and the vibraphone tells you everything is going to be fine.

Here's an example song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xELDqIyrtNA&list=PLf5ENiU6WPt0aX31n7cBj-Lu_L5XXcj8b
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I heard that exact type of music constantly in TV commercials in the late 1950s and very early 1960s. Things like car commercials and large appliance commercials, like refrigerators, washers, and dryers. It makes you feel like by spending the big money on these things, your life will be very happy. You envy people who had these things, because their life must be truly glorious.
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It's also cheap and easy to write and record. So you have half a dozen guys in a studio with their instruments, making tapes of stuff like that and an ad agency can buy the tape and its rights and take whatever part of it and do a voiceover. It can't drown out or distract from the message, like something heavily orchestrated or dramatic would. It reminds me of the way a comedian or beat poet might have a bass accompanist, gently plucking, to give him some rhythm to his delivery, maybe he'll break into song or a little Sprechstimme as well.

Now here's one- remember the KLM Airline commercial and that delightful tune they played? Did you know that was really a song, with a name? It was actually the theme music from a Dutch detective show. Here it is!

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AI is getting pretty amazing. A Gen Z person would see nothing in this video. I recognize 90% of them. If AI is this good now, in five years it will be knocking your socks off.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r9mWWE624A
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Thank you so much for posting this. A bit before my time but I loved this! A great idea and well executed.

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I just asked A.I.: What’s the deal with the staccato-style notes associated with 1950s supermarket music or some other kid of linoleum-based imagery?

It gave a pretty thorough analysis! The summary: It's the sound of optimism as interior design — a world where every surface is clean, every problem is manageable, and the vibraphone tells you everything is going to be fine.

Here's an example song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xELDqIyrtNA&list=PLf5ENiU6WPt0aX31n7cBj-Lu_L5XXcj8b
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I heard that exact type of music constantly in TV commercials in the late 1950s and very early 1960s. Things like car commercials and large appliance commercials, like refrigerators, washers, and dryers. It makes you feel like by spending the big money on these things, your life will be very happy. You envy people who had these things, because their life must be truly glorious.
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It's also cheap and easy to write and record. So you have half a dozen guys in a studio with their instruments, making tapes of stuff like that and an ad agency can buy the tape and its rights and take whatever part of it and do a voiceover. It can't drown out or distract from the message, like something heavily orchestrated or dramatic would. It reminds me of the way a comedian or beat poet might have a bass accompanist, gently plucking, to give him some rhythm to his delivery, maybe he'll break into song or a little Sprechstimme as well.

Now here's one- remember the KLM Airline commercial and that delightful tune they played? Did you know that was really a song, with a name? It was actually the theme music from a Dutch detective show. Here it is!

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Sounds like a lot of the Budweiser commercials we heard in the 70s and 80s featuring the Clydesdales.

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AI is getting pretty amazing. A Gen Z person would see nothing in this video. I recognize 90% of them. If AI is this good now, in five years it will be knocking your socks off.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r9mWWE624A
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Thank you so much for posting this. A bit before my time but I loved this! A great idea and well executed.
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It is so lifelike and real. Song is really good too, and it was written by the creator of the video. You have to watch it several times to spot everybody that's in this. No Superman, though, which was my favorite show in the 50s. And no Tonto with the Lone Ranger. Pretty realistic James Dean getting into the car that killed him. Tuesday Weld is so sexy. We all had such a crush on her. Marilyn shows up three times, but come on. She was the 1950s.

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AI is getting pretty amazing. A Gen Z person would see nothing in this video. I recognize 90% of them. If AI is this good now, in five years it will be knocking your socks off.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r9mWWE624A
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Thank you so much for posting this. A bit before my time but I loved this! A great idea and well executed.
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It is so lifelike and real. Song is really good too, and it was written by the creator of the video. You have to watch it several times to spot everybody that's in this. No Superman, though, which was my favorite show in the 50s. And no Tonto with the Lone Ranger. Pretty realistic James Dean getting into the car that killed him. Tuesday Weld is so sexy. We all had such a crush on her. Marilyn shows up three times, but come on. She was the 1950s.
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According to my independent research agency (=me) music was made in SUNO. Video was made with possible 3 different Ai platforms. Of course, someone has to know at least a little about what they are doing. Making an extended video from prompts isn't completely without frustrations if you want total coherence throughout,

It's getting easier and easier though. "Artistic" achievement still isn't a given. Still the X factor. Thousands of Ai video online and still produce a lot no one will ever care much about.

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And no Tonto with the Lone Ranger. Pretty realistic James Dean getting into the car that killed him. Tuesday Weld is so sexy. We all had such a crush on her. Marilyn shows up three times, but come on. She was the 1950s.
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I thought I saw Tonto in there early in the video on the left side of the screen

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And no Tonto with the Lone Ranger. Pretty realistic James Dean getting into the car that killed him. Tuesday Weld is so sexy. We all had such a crush on her. Marilyn shows up three times, but come on. She was the 1950s.
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I thought I saw Tonto in there early in the video on the left side of the screen
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I read your statement about three times and could not understand how you are seeing Toronto in that video. I guess I may need a new eyeglass prescription.

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And no Tonto with the Lone Ranger. Pretty realistic James Dean getting into the car that killed him. Tuesday Weld is so sexy. We all had such a crush on her. Marilyn shows up three times, but come on. She was the 1950s.
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I thought I saw Tonto in there early in the video on the left side of the screen
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There's a guy with a black mask eating with an Indian, but it's not Jay Silverheels. The face is wrong. The headband is wrong. The clothes are wrong. Jay Silverheels did not have long black hair in braids. He didn't have long hair at all. And the guy in the mask is not Clayton Moore. He is in the video but he's not with Jay Silverheels.

Talk about how times have changed. This song was number one on Billboard's Top 100. It received a Grammy for Best Song of the Year in 1988. Imagine the reaction if this song was released today.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-diB65scQU

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Talk about how times have changed. This song was number one on Billboard's Top 100. It received a Grammy for Best Song of the Year in 1988. Imagine the reaction if this song was released today.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-diB65scQU
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I don't think anyone would object to the song, but the way music is produced and sold is all different now and it is unlikely to be a hit. Nothing really is, anymore. There will never be another "Thriller" or "Take On Me."

A very prolific artist with his own orchestra in the UK. TV dinner music for Bond films?
Laurie Johnson - Gala Performance (by EarpJohn)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55RPFrdnMfU&list=PLf5ENiU6WPt0aX31n7cBj-Lu_L5XXcj8b&index=23
Embedding is iffy today.

Laurie Johnson
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurie_Johnson

AI: 16 rpm (specifically 16+2/3 rpm) records are a rarely used vinyl format designed for long-duration, low-fidelity audio, primarily spoken-word "talking books" for the blind, educational lectures, and 1960s department store background music. These records offer double the playtime of a 33+1/3 RPM LP, often holding 40-60 minutes per side.

RT: The stylus used for archiving these recordings is a .7mil not a 1mil so the records are not harmed during playback even though the grooves of these records are .5mil in diameter .7 should be an acceptable size for playback so that all of the frequencies of the recordings will be picked up during playback.

RT: Some places used big reels of tape. I'm not sure what size reels, but it was thin tape, recorded at 15/16 ips (1/2 the speed of a cassette) and used 4 mono tracks. So, the tape would play 6 hours in one direction, then reverse and select another track, then reverse again, etc., until it had played all 4 tracks. One reel of tape supplied 24 hours of music.

Retro Seeburg 1000 Elevator Music Volume 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AC-i2aYRnLU&list=PLf5ENiU6WPt0aX31n7cBj-Lu_L5XXcj8b&index=28

Seeburg 1000
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seeburg_1000
The Seeburg 1000 Background Music System is a phonograph designed and built by the Seeburg Corporation to play background music from special 16+2⁄3 RPM vinyl records in offices, restaurants, retail businesses, factories and similar locations. Seeburg provided a service similar to that of Muzak.

The BMS 1000 was so called because it played both sides of 25 records, each side containing 20 songs (hence 1,000 songs). The phonographs used the old Pickering "Red-head" stereo cartridge, introduced on Seeburg jukeboxes in late 1958 for the 1959 model year. Although the mono Seeburg jukeboxes used 1 mil styluses and the stereo Seeburgs used .7 mil styluses, the background-music systems used a .5 mil stylus, but played the special mono records. The BMS phonographs were non-selectable and only played these proprietary formatted 9" records with 2" center holes - sequentially, and at 16+2⁄3rpm.

Unusual types of gramophone records
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unusual_types_of_gramophone_records
Early American shellac records were all 7-inch until 1901, when 10-inch records were introduced. 12-inch records joined them in 1903.

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I had a kiddie turntable I got when I was 5 and I'd play mostly 45's and a very few 78's on it. It could play albums but those were played on a better turntable except for a few albums I picked up before the late '70's when I started actually purchasing albums. It also had a 16 & 2/3rds speed on it, and a neutral speed so I could just spin the records by hand.. I don't believe it made it out of the house move awhile back. My dad may have had some 16 RPM records, so he borrowed it a bit in later years. The house turntable could do 33, 45, & 78 RPM records but a different stylus was needed for 78's. It was a belt drive turntable from around 1962.

Somebody put a cue on the turntable they found. That was what this turntable was missing all along, but cues didn't really exist back then. My Pioneer turntable from 1979 had a cue. It sounds like he had a problem with the ground wire when he changed tracks. Turntables needed to be grounded to the amp, whereas new ones can just use a USB port to your computer, or RCA plugs to your amp's Aux-IN. I can't tell if the one in the video is the same one we had, it looks similar enough even with the blemishes, but I didn't check for numbers underneath the metal plate. I'm sure it's worth $500 or more.
Empire 398 Turntable
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JakjghKwDws

Same guy had the same turntables as me.
Pioneer PL-518 Turntable
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Otszs3sSHI
The feet fell off my turntable long ago and it was perched on an old shopping gift box. This guy found after-market feet for it. I got rid of the turntable a few years ago. It had been sitting in outdoor storage and I was buying a new turntable at the time and retiring another newer one where the anti-skip had completely failed and kept skipping.

AI: Yes, a specialized, wider stylus (typically 3.0 - 4.0 mil) is required to play 78 RPM records, as standard LP styli (0.7 mil or smaller) are too narrow, causing them to sit too deep in the wider groove. Using the wrong stylus results in high noise, thin sound, and damage to the record.
My kiddie record player had a way to rotate the stylus so I could play 78's. There were two styli on the end tone arm, just have to flip a handle at the end of the tonearm 180 degrees upside down before switching speeds to or from 78 RPM.

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AI: 16 rpm (specifically 16+2/3 rpm) records are a rarely used vinyl format designed for long-duration, low-fidelity audio, primarily spoken-word "talking books" for the blind, educational lectures, and 1960s department store background music. These records offer double the playtime of a 33+1/3 RPM LP, often holding 40-60 minutes per side.
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I believe I only encountered two turntables with a 16 2/3 speed provision. One was a very high end unit; the other was a mid-tier unit in a big console stereo. The mid-tier had the internal mechanism (extra ratios on the pulleys), but the external selector only ranged from 33 1/3 to 78.

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61 in '61

in that season Mickey Mantle and Roger Maris of the Yankees dueled each other to break Babe Ruth's home record of 60
much of the nation followed it closely
Mantle was the people's favorite but it was Maris who got it done
Mantle ended up with 54

here it is - the 61st homer of Roger Maris:




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61 in '61

in that season Mickey Mantle and Roger Maris of the Yankees dueled each other to break Babe Ruth's home record of 60
much of the nation followed it closely
Mantle was the people's favorite but it was Maris who got it done
Mantle ended up with 54

here it is - the 61st homer of Roger Maris:

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I was 12 years old, and we watched all of that. Mantle and Maris were household names. It was an unbelievably big deal. I can't imagine anybody even caring about it today. Baseball was still America's pastime. And Babe Ruth, who was long gone, was still a very big deal. People remember taking time off from work if Babe Ruth was playing in your city. He was bigger than any movie star.

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AI: 16 rpm (specifically 16+2/3 rpm) records are a rarely used vinyl format designed for long-duration, low-fidelity audio, primarily spoken-word "talking books" for the blind, educational lectures, and 1960s department store background music. These records offer double the playtime of a 33+1/3 RPM LP, often holding 40-60 minutes per side.
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I believe I only encountered two turntables with a 16 2/3 speed provision. One was a very high end unit; the other was a mid-tier unit in a big console stereo. The mid-tier had the internal mechanism (extra ratios on the pulleys), but the external selector only ranged from 33 1/3 to 78.
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Phonographs geared towards kids often came with 16 speeds, as many children's talking records were recorded at that speed.
My sister had an album with the last song on one side, recorded in 78. You had to change speeds on the turntable while the album was playing. I think it was a Moby Grape album. It even had scratchy sound effects, so you thought it was an old record. Skip Spence of MG was doing a lot of acid at the time and eventually pulled a Sid Barrett.

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AI: 16 rpm (specifically 16+2/3 rpm) records are a rarely used vinyl format designed for long-duration, low-fidelity audio, primarily spoken-word "talking books" for the blind, educational lectures, and 1960s department store background music. These records offer double the playtime of a 33+1/3 RPM LP, often holding 40-60 minutes per side.
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I believe I only encountered two turntables with a 16 2/3 speed provision. One was a very high end unit; the other was a mid-tier unit in a big console stereo. The mid-tier had the internal mechanism (extra ratios on the pulleys), but the external selector only ranged from 33 1/3 to 78.
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Phonographs geared towards kids often came with 16 speeds, as many children's talking records were recorded at that speed.
My sister had an album with the last song on one side, recorded in 78. You had to change speeds on the turntable while the album was playing. I think it was a Moby Grape album. It even had scratchy sound effects, so you thought it was an old record. Skip Spencer of MG was doing a lot of acid at the time and eventually pulled a Sid Barrett.
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You know, that makes me wonder if the old Califone suitcases in schools had a 16. They might have. I wasn't in A/V club, so they didn't let me touch them.
Most of the time, I think we just had them for square dance music in PE.

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And no Tonto with the Lone Ranger. Pretty realistic James Dean getting into the car that killed him. Tuesday Weld is so sexy. We all had such a crush on her. Marilyn shows up three times, but come on. She was the 1950s.
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I thought I saw Tonto in there early in the video on the left side of the screen
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There's a guy with a black mask eating with an Indian, but it's not Jay Silverheels. The face is wrong. The headband is wrong. The clothes are wrong. Jay Silverheels did not have long black hair in braids. He didn't have long hair at all. And the guy in the mask is not Clayton Moore. He is in the video but he's not with Jay Silverheels.



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It may be wrong, but it's supposed to be them. The white horse is there too, do you see it?

Vintage Califone 1430K Review: Looks Great, But One Big Problem!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs0TeLJNFJw

The wow and flutter is off the charts with this old one. The motor needs help. I usually chuck it up to bad slip mats and prefer a rubber mat, but that's not the problem here. There is a 16 RPM speed and a neutral. A pair of portable external 10 watt speakers are on sale somewhere for $125. These are use and abuse gov't issued turntables not meant for consumer use.

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I just asked A.I.: What’s the deal with the staccato-style notes associated with 1950s supermarket music or some other kid of linoleum-based imagery?

It gave a pretty thorough analysis! The summary: It's the sound of optimism as interior design — a world where every surface is clean, every problem is manageable, and the vibraphone tells you everything is going to be fine.

Here's an example song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xELDqIyrtNA&list=PLf5ENiU6WPt0aX31n7cBj-Lu_L5XXcj8b
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I heard that exact type of music constantly in TV commercials in the late 1950s and very early 1960s. Things like car commercials and large appliance commercials, like refrigerators, washers, and dryers. It makes you feel like by spending the big money on these things, your life will be very happy. You envy people who had these things, because their life must be truly glorious.
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I looked up the composer to the song, Laurie Johnson, and he only recently passed: 16 January 2024 at age 96!

He was described as "one of the most highly regarded arrangers of big-band swing and pop music" in England.

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And no Tonto with the Lone Ranger. Pretty realistic James Dean getting into the car that killed him. Tuesday Weld is so sexy. We all had such a crush on her. Marilyn shows up three times, but come on. She was the 1950s.
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I thought I saw Tonto in there early in the video on the left side of the screen
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There's a guy with a black mask eating with an Indian, but it's not Jay Silverheels. The face is wrong. The headband is wrong. The clothes are wrong. Jay Silverheels did not have long black hair in braids. He didn't have long hair at all. And the guy in the mask is not Clayton Moore. He is in the video but he's not with Jay Silverheels.



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It may be wrong, but it's supposed to be them. The white horse is there too, do you see it?

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he's the sandwich

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I do not think it's supposed to be them. Creator gets everybody else in this video spot on, but not these two? They are not even close.

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And no Tonto with the Lone Ranger. Pretty realistic James Dean getting into the car that killed him. Tuesday Weld is so sexy. We all had such a crush on her. Marilyn shows up three times, but come on. She was the 1950s.
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I thought I saw Tonto in there early in the video on the left side of the screen
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There's a guy with a black mask eating with an Indian, but it's not Jay Silverheels. The face is wrong. The headband is wrong. The clothes are wrong. Jay Silverheels did not have long black hair in braids. He didn't have long hair at all. And the guy in the mask is not Clayton Moore. He is in the video but he's not with Jay Silverheels.



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It may be wrong, but it's supposed to be them. The white horse is there too, do you see it?

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he's the sandwich

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I do not think it's supposed to be them. Creator gets everybody else in this video spot on, but not these two? They are not even close.
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Tonto looks more like the Chief Thundercloud version from the 1930s movie, and the LR looks a little more like the Lee Powell version but he never wore that classic mask- his face was either bare or completely covered.

So the AI may have put together a mix of several people who played the roles.

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And no Tonto with the Lone Ranger. Pretty realistic James Dean getting into the car that killed him. Tuesday Weld is so sexy. We all had such a crush on her. Marilyn shows up three times, but come on. She was the 1950s.
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I thought I saw Tonto in there early in the video on the left side of the screen
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There's a guy with a black mask eating with an Indian, but it's not Jay Silverheels. The face is wrong. The headband is wrong. The clothes are wrong. Jay Silverheels did not have long black hair in braids. He didn't have long hair at all. And the guy in the mask is not Clayton Moore. He is in the video but he's not with Jay Silverheels.



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It may be wrong, but it's supposed to be them. The white horse is there too, do you see it?

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he's the sandwich

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I do not think it's supposed to be them. Creator gets everybody else in this video spot on, but not these two? They are not even close.
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The lower shot from the video of the unrealistic Lone Ranger & Tonto looks similar to the earlier unrealistic shot of the Mummy who is also eating a hot dog. I wonder if these are from an early unsuccessful AI experiment that they decided to use in this video anyway

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And no Tonto with the Lone Ranger. Pretty realistic James Dean getting into the car that killed him. Tuesday Weld is so sexy. We all had such a crush on her. Marilyn shows up three times, but come on. She was the 1950s.
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I thought I saw Tonto in there early in the video on the left side of the screen
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There's a guy with a black mask eating with an Indian, but it's not Jay Silverheels. The face is wrong. The headband is wrong. The clothes are wrong. Jay Silverheels did not have long black hair in braids. He didn't have long hair at all. And the guy in the mask is not Clayton Moore. He is in the video but he's not with Jay Silverheels.



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It may be wrong, but it's supposed to be them. The white horse is there too, do you see it?

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he's the sandwich

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I do not think it's supposed to be them. Creator gets everybody else in this video spot on, but not these two? They are not even close.
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The lower shot from the video of the unrealistic Lone Ranger & Tonto looks similar to the earlier unrealistic shot of the Mummy who is also eating a hot dog. I wonder if these are from an early unsuccessful AI experiment that they decided to use in this video anyway
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The person who made the video may simply be of a later generation and simply didn't notice. There are movie characters of early eras who I am familiar with, but could mess up a depiction of if I didn't study them enough compared to people who saw them quite a bit. EvenBob was probably around and got an actual silver bullet from Clayton Moore.

Most marquees and signs I see that are AI-generated aren't as clear as these are.

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The person who made the video may simply be of a later generation and simply didn't notice. There are movie characters of early eras who I am familiar with, but could mess up a depiction of if I didn't study them enough compared to people who saw them quite a bit. EvenBob was probably around and got an actual silver bullet from Clayton Moore.
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I started watching TV in 1954. 21" Sears, black and white, about the size of half a refrigerator.You get to know the TV repairman on a first-name basis.

The most iconic decade of the 20th century is definitely the 1950s. Personally, I think people remember it so much because it was incredibly upbeat. Everybody was looking forward to the future. And America was extremely affordable. A factory worker could support his family, drive a decent car, and buy a house. I know this because that's what my family did. Plus, television was brand new in the wide culture, and it brought us together in a way that had never happened before.

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And no Tonto with the Lone Ranger. Pretty realistic James Dean getting into the car that killed him. Tuesday Weld is so sexy. We all had such a crush on her. Marilyn shows up three times, but come on. She was the 1950s.
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I thought I saw Tonto in there early in the video on the left side of the screen
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There's a guy with a black mask eating with an Indian, but it's not Jay Silverheels. The face is wrong. The headband is wrong. The clothes are wrong. Jay Silverheels did not have long black hair in braids. He didn't have long hair at all. And the guy in the mask is not Clayton Moore. He is in the video but he's not with Jay Silverheels.

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Every time I watch this video, I can't figure out why Barbara Eden is in it. Her show was not on till the mid-60s.

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The person who made the video may simply be of a later generation and simply didn't notice. There are movie characters of early eras who I am familiar with, but could mess up a depiction of if I didn't study them enough compared to people who saw them quite a bit. EvenBob was probably around and got an actual silver bullet from Clayton Moore.
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I started watching TV in 1954. 21" Sears, black and white, about the size of half a refrigerator.You get to know the TV repairman on a first-name basis.

The most iconic decade of the 20th century is definitely the 1950s. Personally, I think people remember it so much because it was incredibly upbeat. Everybody was looking forward to the future. And America was extremely affordable. A factory worker could support his family, drive a decent car, and buy a house. I know this because that's what my family did. Plus, television was brand new in the wide culture, and it brought us together in a way that had never happened before.
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I think the 1960's may have been the worst decade of the 20th century. The assassinations (JFK, RFK, MLK). Hippies, flower power - I was too young to enjoy the "free love". The emergence of drugs as being part of a culture. In retrospect, a surprisingly bad decade for movies. TV continued to grow in significance but was seemingly dominated by Ed Sullivan, Gilligan's Island , Lost In Space, Bonanza. The positive aspects, IMO, were the music (The Beatles, Rolling Stones, Motown, etc. ); the comic books (Marvel super-heroes), Star Trek and the paperback publication in the U.S. of JRR Tolkien's books. And the sixties ended with three improbable miracles: men on the moon; the Jets and Joe Namath winning the Superbowl and the Miracles Mets winning the World Series.

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The person who made the video may simply be of a later generation and simply didn't notice. There are movie characters of early eras who I am familiar with, but could mess up a depiction of if I didn't study them enough compared to people who saw them quite a bit. EvenBob was probably around and got an actual silver bullet from Clayton Moore.
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I started watching TV in 1954. 21" Sears, black and white, about the size of half a refrigerator.You get to know the TV repairman on a first-name basis.

The most iconic decade of the 20th century is definitely the 1950s. Personally, I think people remember it so much because it was incredibly upbeat. Everybody was looking forward to the future. And America was extremely affordable. A factory worker could support his family, drive a decent car, and buy a house. I know this because that's what my family did. Plus, television was brand new in the wide culture, and it brought us together in a way that had never happened before.
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I think the 1960's may have been the worst decade of the 20th century. The assassinations (JFK, RFK, MLK). Hippies, flower power - I was too young to enjoy the "free love". The emergence of drugs as being part of a culture. In retrospect, a surprisingly bad decade for movies. TV continued to grow in significance but was seemingly dominated by Ed Sullivan, Gilligan's Island , Lost In Space, Bonanza. The positive aspects, IMO, were the music (The Beatles, Rolling Stones, Motown, etc. ); the comic books (Marvel super-heroes), Star Trek and the paperback publication in the U.S. of JRR Tolkien's books. And the sixties ended with three improbable miracles: men on the moon; the Jets and Joe Namath winning the Superbowl and the Miracles Mets winning the World Series.
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I agree it was a bad decade. Bill Clinton has been credited with saying if you think
The 60s was good you are probably liberal if you think it was bad you are probably conservative. I cant disagree. Like if you like Florida or California more a near litmus test.

The bigger problem is the 60s set up
The years 1970-1975 which really changed things forever.

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I think the 1960's may have been the worst decade of the 20th century.
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Were you there? In the 1960s? It was the most glorious decade I have experienced. There was always something new and exciting happening. The TV shows and the music from the 1960s is still being enjoyed today. The cars were unbelivable. A factory worker could buy a house, a halfway decent car, and raise a family. The positives absolutely outweigh the negatives by a mile. 1960s is the only decade that I would gladly relive.

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The person who made the video may simply be of a later generation and simply didn't notice. There are movie characters of early eras who I am familiar with, but could mess up a depiction of if I didn't study them enough compared to people who saw them quite a bit. EvenBob was probably around and got an actual silver bullet from Clayton Moore.
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I started watching TV in 1954. 21" Sears, black and white, about the size of half a refrigerator.You get to know the TV repairman on a first-name basis.

The most iconic decade of the 20th century is definitely the 1950s. Personally, I think people remember it so much because it was incredibly upbeat. Everybody was looking forward to the future. And America was extremely affordable. A factory worker could support his family, drive a decent car, and buy a house. I know this because that's what my family did. Plus, television was brand new in the wide culture, and it brought us together in a way that had never happened before.
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I think the 1960's may have been the worst decade of the 20th century. The assassinations (JFK, RFK, MLK). Hippies, flower power - I was too young to enjoy the "free love". The emergence of drugs as being part of a culture. In retrospect, a surprisingly bad decade for movies. TV continued to grow in significance but was seemingly dominated by Ed Sullivan, Gilligan's Island , Lost In Space, Bonanza. The positive aspects, IMO, were the music (The Beatles, Rolling Stones, Motown, etc. ); the comic books (Marvel super-heroes), Star Trek and the paperback publication in the U.S. of JRR Tolkien's books. And the sixties ended with three improbable miracles: men on the moon; the Jets and Joe Namath winning the Superbowl and the Miracles Mets winning the World Series.
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I agree it was a bad decade. Bill Clinton has been credited with saying if you think
The 60s was good you are probably liberal if you think it was bad you are probably conservative. I cant disagree. Like if you like Florida or California more a near litmus test.

The bigger problem is the 60s set up
The years 1970-1975 which really changed things forever.
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Yes I see it that way too. In the 60s drugs and casual sex were part of a counterculture. But way more people did drugs at discos in the 70s. It was really the disco era where mainstream people started doing those things. Porn also became mainstreamed and was screened in every city at the "art cinema."

All with the blessing of the WWII veterans at the age where they were at the height of their influence. Look at all the icones of that era who actually served in the war. These were men who recognized that the language, values, habits of the working man were honest and at least as respectable of those of the Victorian prig. The most obvious example is desegregation. A desire for racial segregation was just a regional quirk by the time their generation was running things. But the one part of it they didn't respect was drugs. That was not a working class habit, that was seen as a very dangerous and depraved thing and was associated with our war enemies.

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The person who made the video may simply be of a later generation and simply didn't notice. There are movie characters of early eras who I am familiar with, but could mess up a depiction of if I didn't study them enough compared to people who saw them quite a bit. EvenBob was probably around and got an actual silver bullet from Clayton Moore.
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I started watching TV in 1954. 21" Sears, black and white, about the size of half a refrigerator.You get to know the TV repairman on a first-name basis.

The most iconic decade of the 20th century is definitely the 1950s. Personally, I think people remember it so much because it was incredibly upbeat. Everybody was looking forward to the future. And America was extremely affordable. A factory worker could support his family, drive a decent car, and buy a house. I know this because that's what my family did. Plus, television was brand new in the wide culture, and it brought us together in a way that had never happened before.
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I think the 1960's may have been the worst decade of the 20th century. The assassinations (JFK, RFK, MLK). Hippies, flower power - I was too young to enjoy the "free love". The emergence of drugs as being part of a culture. In retrospect, a surprisingly bad decade for movies. TV continued to grow in significance but was seemingly dominated by Ed Sullivan, Gilligan's Island , Lost In Space, Bonanza. The positive aspects, IMO, were the music (The Beatles, Rolling Stones, Motown, etc. ); the comic books (Marvel super-heroes), Star Trek and the paperback publication in the U.S. of JRR Tolkien's books. And the sixties ended with three improbable miracles: men on the moon; the Jets and Joe Namath winning the Superbowl and the Miracles Mets winning the World Series.
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I agree it was a bad decade. Bill Clinton has been credited with saying if you think
The 60s was good you are probably liberal if you think it was bad you are probably conservative. I cant disagree. Like if you like Florida or California more a near litmus test.

The bigger problem is the 60s set up
The years 1970-1975 which really changed things forever.
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Yes I see it that way too. In the 60s drugs and casual sex were part of a counterculture. But way more people did drugs at discos in the 70s. It was really the disco era where mainstream people started doing those things. Porn also became mainstreamed and was screened in every city at the "art cinema."

All with the blessing of the WWII veterans at the age where they were at the height of their influence. Look at all the icones of that era who actually served in the war. These were men who recognized that the language, values, habits of the working man were honest and at least as respectable of those of the Victorian prig. The most obvious example is desegregation. A desire for racial segregation was just a regional quirk by the time their generation was running things. But the one part of it they didn't respect was drugs. That was not a working class habit, that was seen as a very dangerous and depraved thing and was associated with our war enemies.
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I love how everybody who wasn't actually there in the 1960s is now an expert on it.

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I love how everybody who wasn't actually there in the 1960s is now an expert on it.
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Of course! Who else am I supposed to believe, someone who was actually there, was emotionally invested in it, and has his own youthful performance at the time to rationalize?

If I were to ask a man from Belfast who is around your age what was going on there in the 1970s, he would offer me one of two suites of falsehoods (which he probably actually believes) depending on his religion and whatever other faction he was part of, intended to make himself look righteous.

We all do that. I understand that you write for you, and you would not describe history you have experienced in any way that does not please you. And you should not feel compelled to!

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I love how everybody who wasn't actually there in the 1960s is now an expert on it.
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Of course! Who else am I supposed to believe, someone who was actually there, was emotionally invested in it, and has his own youthful performance at the time to rationalize?

If I were to ask a man from Belfast who is around your age what was going on there in the 1970s, he would offer me one of two suites of falsehoods (which he probably actually believes) depending on his religion and whatever other faction he was part of, intended to make himself look righteous.

We all do that. I understand that you write for you, and you would not describe history you have experienced in any way that does not please you. And you should not feel compelled to!
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So when you have a good time at some event, it doesn't really count, because somebody explained to you later that you really didn't have a good time. This is what intellectuals do. And it's why intellectuals are so miserable.

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I love how everybody who wasn't actually there in the 1960s is now an expert on it.
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Of course! Who else am I supposed to believe, someone who was actually there, was emotionally invested in it, and has his own youthful performance at the time to rationalize?

If I were to ask a man from Belfast who is around your age what was going on there in the 1970s, he would offer me one of two suites of falsehoods (which he probably actually believes) depending on his religion and whatever other faction he was part of, intended to make himself look righteous.

We all do that. I understand that you write for you, and you would not describe history you have experienced in any way that does not please you. And you should not feel compelled to!
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So when you have a good time at some event, it doesn't really count, because somebody explained to you later that you really didn't have a good time. This is what intellectuals do. And it's why intellectuals are so miserable.
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Not at all. You might remember a good time, or you might not. Most things are a mix of pleasant and unpleasant and which one we focus on kind of depends on us. There was a song about that, from the 60s.

https://www.songfacts.com/lyrics/allan-sherman/hello-muddah-hello-faddah

But there are countless examples of selective and altered memory we all have experienced. Mandela Effect is one we explored here recently. And have you ever heard a divorcing couple each give you one side of the story, where they are a saint and their spouse is a devil? They're both in the same marriage. Last time I listened to that, she's telling me he's insane and she's wonderful, he's telling me she's a whore and he's wonderful. And I happened to know from personal experience they were both correct in a sense- he is definitely insane and she is definitely a whore, but neither one of them were really that bad.

And then there's some presentism mixed in, where you adjudge your past but as it would be applied to you as you are now. I feel the same way about the 80s as you feel about the 60s. But when I imagine myself back in the 80s, I imagine myself as I am now, not what I really was in the 80s. I can't remember what I was like in my late teens and early twenties, no more than I can remember not being able to read. In fact I don't know anyone who remembers not being able to read. We can't unknow things, so when I take the trip down Memory Lane it is my fully literate and educated brain doing it, and it can't really leave those things behind.

there were many weird aspects to the 60s, I was there. Mostly hanging over everything was the war and the prospect of that expanding to a war with the USSR and into nuclear war.

Was it overall a good time anyway? Well, people wanted an escape so I guess like any other time anybody who was living in a free society you could create your own zone and be happy. If war was ongoing but actually ongoing elsewhere it could be put away for a while. A lot of young people wanting escape started in a direction I didn't agree with, the hippie thing, you know.

The one thing that was said that I have to agree with is that the movies generally were really bad for the most part. Sure you had some great ones too, like "Lawrence of Arabia" , Alfred Hitchcock movies.... well , everyone can make their own list. But when I am looking for old movies to watch that I havent seen, if it was made in the 60s or 70s I pretty much know to skip those.