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Las Vegas was the first major US city to legally desegregate, and supposedly, other cities used the Moulin Rouge Accords as the basis for relaxing their race-based laws.
Quote: AutomaticMonkeyQuote: EvenBobI've been watching a lot of these AI fantasy 1950s remembrance videos. I was around. in the 1950s, and it was nothing like this. Especially, the commingling of blacks and whites. Some of these videos have a black guy and a white girl walking down the street, and he has his arm around her. This just did not happen. In 1964, Frank Sinatra had to force Caesar's Palace. to let Sammy Davis Jr. stay there. There was only one hotel in Las Vegas where black people could stay, and it was not Caesar's Palace. AI videos are trying to rewrite history. Is not. going to work.
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No that was not 1964, that had to be way before 1964. By 1964 few places outside of the former CSA had any interest in segregation.
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During the filming of Ocean's Eleven in 1960, Sammy Davis Jr. had to stay at a colored-only hotel.
Quote: AutomaticMonkeyQuote: EvenBobI've been watching a lot of these AI fantasy 1950s remembrance videos. I was around. in the 1950s, and it was nothing like this. Especially, the commingling of blacks and whites. Some of these videos have a black guy and a white girl walking down the street, and he has his arm around her. This just did not happen. In 1964, Frank Sinatra had to force Caesar's Palace. to let Sammy Davis Jr. stay there. There was only one hotel in Las Vegas where black people could stay, and it was not Caesar's Palace. AI videos are trying to rewrite history. Is not. going to work.
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No that was not 1964, that had to be way before 1964. By 1964 few places outside of the former CSA had any interest in segregation.
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Yeah. No. My city had de facto segregation in county pools until 69 or 70. Places had it just not labeled colored and white.
Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: AutomaticMonkeyQuote: EvenBobI've been watching a lot of these AI fantasy 1950s remembrance videos. I was around. in the 1950s, and it was nothing like this. Especially, the commingling of blacks and whites. Some of these videos have a black guy and a white girl walking down the street, and he has his arm around her. This just did not happen. In 1964, Frank Sinatra had to force Caesar's Palace. to let Sammy Davis Jr. stay there. There was only one hotel in Las Vegas where black people could stay, and it was not Caesar's Palace. AI videos are trying to rewrite history. Is not. going to work.
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No that was not 1964, that had to be way before 1964. By 1964 few places outside of the former CSA had any interest in segregation.
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Yeah. No. My city had de facto segregation in county pools until 69 or 70. Places had it just not labeled colored and white.
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Was it not self-imposed segregation? I remember in the 70s and 80s in both high school and college the black kids had their own tables in the lunchrooms. Nobody told them they had to, a riot didn't start when a white guy sat there or a black guy sat somewhere else. But I had no desire at all to insert my Caucasoid countenance into that environment they had created by their own preference, and I did not feel discriminated against or segregated because of it. A lot of things worked out that way where things just became "where the black people go" or "intended for white people" with no enforcement. That way people who were sensitive about that had a place to go where they can avoid either experiencing or causing discomfort.
Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: AutomaticMonkeyQuote: EvenBobI've been watching a lot of these AI fantasy 1950s remembrance videos. I was around. in the 1950s, and it was nothing like this. Especially, the commingling of blacks and whites. Some of these videos have a black guy and a white girl walking down the street, and he has his arm around her. This just did not happen. In 1964, Frank Sinatra had to force Caesar's Palace. to let Sammy Davis Jr. stay there. There was only one hotel in Las Vegas where black people could stay, and it was not Caesar's Palace. AI videos are trying to rewrite history. Is not. going to work.
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No that was not 1964, that had to be way before 1964. By 1964 few places outside of the former CSA had any interest in segregation.
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Yeah. No. My city had de facto segregation in county pools until 69 or 70. Places had it just not labeled colored and white.
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Unspoken segregation still exists everywhere. Especially in hiring practices. I watch a ton of police videos. And 90% of the time, when there is employee theft going on, it's a certain kind of person that's doing it. Especially lottery ticket theft. What this does is it makes a small business owner very careful in who he doesn't hire.
Quote: EvenBobOne thing all these fantasy 1950s videos avoid is the draft. The military draft was a huge deal in the 1950s and 60s. A kid over 18 was terrified of it. Even Elvis got drafted. Its never ever mentioned or even alluded to in these fantasy videos. Wonder if the creators of these videos know it even existed. Avoiding the draft through college or marriage was an American pastime. And as Vietnam ramped up, even that didn't work.
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I like these videos too, but I confess to watching them to look for anachronisms. In this one I saw a flag with too many stars on it for 1958, may have been some LED lighting, a type of plastic bucket that wouldn't have been seen until the 1980s, as well as street signs and road markings that weren't used until around then. On a main street you also would have seen more people walking with dogs, foot policemen directing traffic, and occasionally a horse. And being this was during the Baby Boom, you would have seen women pushing prams.
Military service couldn't have been too terrifying as there have always been more volunteers than draftees.
Quote: AutomaticMonkeyQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: AutomaticMonkeyQuote: EvenBobI've been watching a lot of these AI fantasy 1950s remembrance videos. I was around. in the 1950s, and it was nothing like this. Especially, the commingling of blacks and whites. Some of these videos have a black guy and a white girl walking down the street, and he has his arm around her. This just did not happen. In 1964, Frank Sinatra had to force Caesar's Palace. to let Sammy Davis Jr. stay there. There was only one hotel in Las Vegas where black people could stay, and it was not Caesar's Palace. AI videos are trying to rewrite history. Is not. going to work.
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No that was not 1964, that had to be way before 1964. By 1964 few places outside of the former CSA had any interest in segregation.
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Yeah. No. My city had de facto segregation in county pools until 69 or 70. Places had it just not labeled colored and white.
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Was it not self-imposed segregation? I remember in the 70s and 80s in both high school and college the black kids had their own tables in the lunchrooms. Nobody told them they had to, a riot didn't start when a white guy sat there or a black guy sat somewhere else. But I had no desire at all to insert my Caucasoid countenance into that environment they had created by their own preference, and I did not feel discriminated against or segregated because of it. A lot of things worked out that way where things just became "where the black people go" or "intended for white people" with no enforcement. That way people who were sensitive about that had a place to go where they can avoid either experiencing or causing discomfort.
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The pools were self-imposed, but nobody crossed the line. You would probably have people trying to drown you IF you got out of the changing room in the first place. I heard of a black kid went to the white pool the cops had to escort him out for his own safety. I am sure the cops told him what was what.
Quote: AutomaticMonkeyQuote: EvenBobOne thing all these fantasy 1950s videos avoid is the draft. The military draft was a huge deal in the 1950s and 60s. A kid over 18 was terrified of it. Even Elvis got drafted. Its never ever mentioned or even alluded to in these fantasy videos. Wonder if the creators of these videos know it even existed. Avoiding the draft through college or marriage was an American pastime. And as Vietnam ramped up, even that didn't work.
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I like these videos too, but I confess to watching them to look for anachronisms. In this one I saw a flag with too many stars on it for 1958, may have been some LED lighting, a type of plastic bucket that wouldn't have been seen until the 1980s, as well as street signs and road markings that weren't used until around then. On a main street you also would have seen more people walking with dogs, foot policemen directing traffic, and occasionally a horse. And being this was during the Baby Boom, you would have seen women pushing prams.
Military service couldn't have been too terrifying as there have always been more volunteers than draftees.
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I was there, It was terrifying. It was a main topic of conversation, causing some people to even leave the country to avoid it. How many guys did you personally know that were killed in Vietnam? I knew at least five, and probably more if I really looked into it. Mostly they were guys I went to high school with but one of them was my best friend. 56 years later, and I still haven't gotten over it. The only reason I didn't go was my lottery number was too high.
I saw Earl the Pearl Monroe's first home game with the Baltimore Bullets
there was a bus from DC that took us there
people on the bus were very excited
there were lots of stories about him -
he averaged over 40 for a small college and people were saying he did things on the court that were never done before - that nobody else could do
he did not disappoint
he whirled, he twirled - he faked players out really bad
those who tried to guard him didn't really have a prayer of stopping him
a couple of times he faked them out so bad that they fell down trying to guard him
iirc he had about 30 with many assists
fans became excited to watch him and the Bullets which had never happened before as the Bullets before he came were very mediocre
something I'll never forget
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I loved watching Earl The Pearl when he was on the Bullets. He was very good on the Knicks, where he shared the ball with multiple Hall of Famers, and won the 1973 championship, but he wasn't the same style of player.
It would have been interesting to see what Monroe's career would have been if he'd stayed in Baltimore.
Wes Unseld vs Willis Reed was worth the price of admission alone.
Quote: billryanHe was very good on the Knicks, where he shared the ball with multiple Hall of Famers, and won the 1973 championship,
were Walt Frazier and Earl Monroe the greatest backcourt pair of all time - ?
I can't really say because I haven't really followed the NBA in a long time
but I would have to say that up until that time and shortly afterwards - yes - those 2 were the greatest 2 backcourt players on any one team of all time
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I think Earl and Frazier were the best, but I think most Warrior fans would go with Curry and Klay Thompson.
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Was it not self-imposed segregation? I remember in the 70s and 80s in both high school and college the black kids had their own tables in the lunchrooms. Nobody told them they had to, a riot didn't start when a white guy sat there or a black guy sat somewhere else
My High School had a similar segregation. The athletes sat together, the cheerleaders sat together, the potheads sat together, and us computer nerds didn't eat lunch as we were huddled in the computer room during lunch. In my world we called that segregation, friends sitting together.
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I like these videos too, but I confess to watching them to look for anachronisms. In this one I saw a flag with too many stars on it for 1958, may have been some LED lighting, a type of plastic bucket that wouldn't have been seen until the 1980s, as well as street signs and road markings that weren't used until around then. On a main street you also would have seen more people walking with dogs, foot policemen directing traffic, and occasionally a horse. And being this was during the Baby Boom, you would have seen women pushing prams.
Military service couldn't have been too terrifying as there have always been more volunteers than draftees.
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1950s and 60s, smoking cigarettes was huge. 50% of men smoked and 40% of women. Made it seem like everybody was smoking. Find a single retro video with people smoking in it. People smoked everywhere. They smoked on airplanes, in supermarkets, and in doctors' waiting rooms. Restaurants had no non smoking rules. A car came with multiple ashtrays. I did not know any parents who didn't smoke. But according to these retro videos, smoking never happened.
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I like these videos too, but I confess to watching them to look for anachronisms. In this one I saw a flag with too many stars on it for 1958, may have been some LED lighting, a type of plastic bucket that wouldn't have been seen until the 1980s, as well as street signs and road markings that weren't used until around then. On a main street you also would have seen more people walking with dogs, foot policemen directing traffic, and occasionally a horse. And being this was during the Baby Boom, you would have seen women pushing prams.
Military service couldn't have been too terrifying as there have always been more volunteers than draftees.
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1950s and 60s, smoking cigarettes was huge. 50% of men smoked and 40% of women. Made it seem like everybody was smoking. Find a single retro video with people smoking in it. People smoked everywhere. They smoked on airplanes, in supermarkets, and in doctors' waiting rooms. Restaurants had no non smoking rules. A car came with multiple ashtrays. I did not know any parents who didn't smoke. But according to these retro videos, smoking never happened.
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Good observation, I didn't notice that. In this video it was mostly young people who might have smoked less, especially in mixed company (there was a time when it was broadly unacceptable for women of childbearing age to smoke, and thus men were expected to not smoke in their presence, and that's why all-male social events are called "smokers") but surely some of them would be smoking. But yeah other than school, church, and at the gas station smoking was accepted almost everywhere.
It would also be common to see and hear someone expectorate into the street. Fortunately they did not show any of that! As I recall spitting in public and on public conveyances was banned before smoking, when communicable diseases were more of a fear.
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Good observation, I didn't notice that. In this video it was mostly young people who might have smoked less, especially in mixed company (there was a time when it was broadly unacceptable for women of childbearing age to smoke, and thus men were expected to not smoke in their presence, and that's why all-male social events are called "smokers") but surely some of them would be smoking. But yeah other than school, church, and at the gas station smoking was accepted almost everywhere.
It would also be common to see and hear someone expectorate into the street. Fortunately they did not show any of that! As I recall spitting in public and on public conveyances was banned before smoking, when communicable diseases were more of a fear.
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There are some bar scenes in this video at the end. I see cigarette smoke wafting around. I never actually see anybody smoking a cigarette. There are no ashtrays anywhere, in any scene, in any video. Another thing that's missing is litter. In the 1950s and into the 60s, litter was a horrible problem. Cities and even the countryside was just solid litter. Street scenes in these videos are as clean as a street in modern-day China.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqAbbOmZrsA&list=RDgqAbbOmZrsA&start_radio=1
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Good observation, I didn't notice that. In this video it was mostly young people who might have smoked less, especially in mixed company (there was a time when it was broadly unacceptable for women of childbearing age to smoke, and thus men were expected to not smoke in their presence, and that's why all-male social events are called "smokers") but surely some of them would be smoking. But yeah other than school, church, and at the gas station smoking was accepted almost everywhere.
It would also be common to see and hear someone expectorate into the street. Fortunately they did not show any of that! As I recall spitting in public and on public conveyances was banned before smoking, when communicable diseases were more of a fear.
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There are some bar scenes in this video at the end. I see cigarette smoke wafting around. I never actually see anybody smoking a cigarette. There are no ashtrays anywhere, in any scene, in any video. Another thing that's missing is litter. In the 1950s and into the 60s, litter was a horrible problem. Cities and even the countryside was just solid litter. Street scenes in these videos are as clean as a street in modern-day China.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqAbbOmZrsA&list=RDgqAbbOmZrsA&start_radio=1
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That was good too! A couple of things though- about 2 minutes in he pours a drink into a glass and the ice does a move that looks like it might violate conservation of angular momentum, possibly the most reliable law in the universe. The girl is also dancing barefoot on a splintered boardwalk, which made me screech a little, and immediately after that they are driving on Route 66 which isn't exactly oceanfront.
Smoking has been taboo in movies for a couple of decades now and the AI might be unsure what it actually looks like.
Here's another thing missing- cripples! Even in the late 60s and 70s I remember seeing older people with walkers, wheelchairs etc. in public every day. But now that hip and knee replacements have been perfected, just about anything skeletal that isn't the spine can be fixed, resulting in a lot less need for mobility assistance and mobility devices.
