Remember When
Quote: SAMIAMAnybody else remember when you got a full size spare tire and a bumper jack when you bought a new car.
Yeah, I remember when I first saw the smaller tires.
The little city commuter Smart Cars don't have a spare at all, just a pump and sealant come with the new car.
Full size spare tires are still offered here and there.Quote: SAMIAMAnybody else remember when you got a full size spare tire and a bumper jack when you bought a new car.
Been an effing long time since I saw a bumper jack though. Made me smile. Thx.
Quote: TwoFeathersATLFull size spare tires are still offered here and there.
Been an effing long time since I saw a bumper jack though. Made me smile. Thx.
My last two cars did not even come with a spare tire. I learned the hard way when I had a blowout and opened the trunk and couldn't find anything. It never even crossed my mind when buying a new car.
Come now? It's legal to sell a new car in this country without a spare tire of some sort? We got 'bout ten zillion government regulations and no one thought about the need for a spare tire?Quote: DRichMy last two cars did not even come with a spare tire. I learned the hard way when I had a blowout and opened the trunk and couldn't find anything. It never even crossed my mind when buying a new car.
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Quote: rxwineYeah, I remember when I first saw the smaller tires.
The little city commuter Smart Cars don't have a spare at all, just a pump and sealant come with the new car.
Get a gas guzzling V8 truck. With a real spare, and a floorjack chained up in the back. Be a man.
Quote: TwoFeathersATLCome now? It's legal to sell a new car in this country without a spare tire of some sort? We got 'bout ten zillion government regulations and no one thought about the need for a spare tire?
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You have it backwards, there WERE regs requiring a spare back to WWII rubber shortages, they were changed the past few years. Now a glorified can of fix a flat is considered good enough. Anyone who thinks it is good enough has never had a blowout. I will always have a spare onboard.
On that note, people need to learn to check their spares annually. When I bought my truck I did. Not only was it flat, it did not hold air and I had to use tools from the toolbox to get it down and even then I broke the bold as it had seized from years of rust. Trip to the tire store and dealer to get it all in order, had I been on the side of the road I would have been screwed. I now grease that bold annually to avoid rust.
This happened to my parents a few months ago. A piece of broken curb tore a gash in the sidewall. A can of Fix-a-Flat ain't gonna help that. The thing is, there was a well for a spare under the car, but the tire itself was an option that didn't come with the car. Like you, DRich, they didn't even think to ask when they bought the car. They will from now on!Quote: DRichMy last two cars did not even come with a spare tire. I learned the hard way when I had a blowout and opened the trunk and couldn't find anything. It never even crossed my mind when buying a new car.
Fortunately, they were only a few blocks from a tire shop when this happened.
I love vent windows! My Dad's first pickup (well, first that I remember) had them. You got better air circulation in the cab/car, but didn't get "blown around" as much as you did with just the windows down.Quote: SAMIAMGee, remember vent windows?
I guess as more and more cars came standard with A/C, nobody needed vent windows any more. It will never happen, but I would love to see them make a comeback.
have a cd players. Just a slot to plug in an mp3 or whatever the hell it is.
At least when I ride on the bus now, I no longer have to hear a boom box blasting in the seat behind me
Quote: TwoFeathersATLCome now? It's legal to sell a new car in this country without a spare tire of some sort? We got 'bout ten zillion government regulations and no one thought about the need for a spare tire?
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GM sold 9.8 million vehicles in 2015. Lets assume a spare and a jack costs $50 to $100. And I know they didn't lower the price of the car by the cost of omitting the jack and spare. If they cut that out of every car that would be $490,000,000 in extra profit at $50 or close to a billion at $100. Even they only cut it out of 25% of the cars that's 120 million to 250 million in extra profit.
I think that if you order them 1 million at at time you can prolly cut those costs by about 50%, just guessing. I do have a vague concept of the cost savings per unit of even some small modification. I suppose I should feel lucky that my car came with both a steering wheel AND a reverse gear ;-)Quote: beerseasonGM sold 9.8 million vehicles in 2015. Lets assume a spare and a jack costs $50 to $100. And I know they didn't lower the price of the car by the cost of omitting the jack and spare. If they cut that out of every car that would be $490,000,000 in extra profit at $50 or close to a billion at $100. Even they only cut it out of 25% of the cars that's 120 million to 250 million in extra profit.
Quote: SAMIAMJust think of all the money saved by not moving those gas tanks on Pintos.
At least that was noticed after the fact.
Penny pinching in cars is something people notice, they just can't do much about it. With the vent windows, Cadillac got rid of them in the late 1960s and did lose some sales. But what, you never gonna buy another car? Ironically one of the last cars with them was the Yugo!
My mind works in mysterious ways, when it works at all. There was a movie, Dirty Dozen (?) with Donald Sutherland as an unusual tank commander. Said something along the lines of, 'these tanks got 3 speeds forward and 6 in reverse. We like to think we can get out of trouble twice as fast as we got into it', or something like that. One of my favorite lines of all time, and now I can't find it.....Quote: TwoFeathersATLI think that if you order them 1 million at at time you can prolly cut those costs by about 50%, just guessing. I do have a vague concept of the cost savings per unit of even some small modification. I suppose I should feel lucky that my car came with both a steering wheel AND a reverse gear ;-)
Quote: TwoFeathersATLMy mind works in mysterious ways, when it works at all. There was a movie, Dirty Dozen (?) with Donald Sutherland as an unusual tank commander. Said something along the lines of, 'these tanks got 3 speeds forward and 6 in reverse. We like to think we can get out of trouble twice as fast as we got into it', or something like that. One of my favorite lines of all time, and now I can't find it.....
Maybe your thinking of "Kelly's Heroes" with Clint Eastwood? Donald Sutherland played a character named "Oddball".
Yes, I think Kelly's Heroes might be the ticket. Oddball would work for Donald S.Quote: AyecarumbaMaybe your thinking of "Kelly's Heroes" with Clint Eastwood? Donald Sutherland played a character named "Oddball".
I just really like the concept of getting out of trouble twice as fast as you got into it ;-)
Quote: TwoFeathersATLMy mind works in mysterious ways, when it works at all. There was a movie, Dirty Dozen (?) with Donald Sutherland as an unusual tank commander. Said something along the lines of, 'these tanks got 3 speeds forward and 6 in reverse. We like to think we can get out of trouble twice as fast as we got into it', or something like that. One of my favorite lines of all time, and now I can't find it.....
Oddball: These engines are the fastest in any tanks in the European Theater of Operations, forwards or backwards. You see, man, we like to feel we can get out of trouble, quicker than we got into it.
Michael Jackson in his one glove phase, Ray Charles,
even Willie Nelson looks young. Paul Simon looks
like a kid almost. Bob Dylan, Bette Midler, Stevie
Wonder really getting into it as usual. 1985, 31 years
ago. If watching this doesn't stir something in you,
you're beyond hope.
Quote: beachbumbabsYou're breaking my heart. Look how young and gorgeous Bruce is, there behind Michael.
The amount of sheer talent on that stage
is staggering. But I have to ask, where
was Elton John, or Mick Jagger, or Paul
McCartney, or Sting. Prince was invited,
said he'd come, then didn't show up. His
ego was afraid of being upstaged by
Michael Jackson, who was the biggest
star in the world in 1985.
They started at 10:30 at night, and finished
at 8 AM the next day. The final product we
see is really a bunch of short solo's edited
together to make it look flawless. Cindy
Lauper gave it everything she had, and Paul
Simon was so terrified of being in front of
all this talent he should have just phoned
it in.
Dan Aykroyd
Harry Belafonte
Lindsey Buckingham
Kim Carnes
Ray Charles
Bob Dylan
Sheila E.
Bob Geldof
Hall and Oates
James Ingram
Jackie Jackson
LaToya Jackson
Marlon Jackson
Michael Jackson
Randy Jackson
Tito Jackson
Al Jarreau
Waylon Jennings
"Pop-Up Video" stated that he left the recording session due to a dispute over the lyrics.
Billy Joel
Cyndi Lauper
Huey Lewis and the News
Kenny Logins
Bette Midler
Willie Nelson
Jeffery Osborne
Steve Perry
The Pointer Sisters
Lionel Richie
Smokey Robinson
Kenny Rogers
Diana Ross
Paul Simon
Bruce Springsteen
Tina Turner
Dionne Warwick
Stevie Wonder
Michael Boddicker - Synthesizers, Programming
Paulinho da Costa - Percussion
Louis Johnson - Bass
Quincy Jones - Producer
Michael Omartian - Keyboards, Producer
Greg Phillinganes - Keyboards
John Robinson - Drums
Quote: EvenBobRemember this? They're all so young and beautiful.
Michael Jackson in his one glove phase, Ray Charles,
even Willie Nelson looks young. Paul Simon looks
like a kid almost.
Stevie Wonder doesn't look quite as blind.
Bob Dylan almost is in tune for the whole notes.
Do you think they turned on Latoya's mic?
Quote: EvenBobBut I have to ask, where
was Elton John, or Mick Jagger, or Paul
McCartney, or Sting.
Wasn't this a session for U.S. artists only? I thought it was a North American response to "Do they Know it's Christmas" produced by Bob Geldoff with U.K. artists.
Quote: CalderWasn't this a session for U.S. artists only? I thought it was a North American response to "Do they Know it's Christmas" produced by Bob Geldoff with U.K. artists.
Geldof was the inspiration for the record and helped keep the focus on the kids and not the egos. I think it was considered a mutual honor for him to be on it. Trying to recall the public relations reports.
Quote: rxwineStevie Wonder doesn't look quite as blind.
Now that, in context , was funny.
Quote: rxwineKenny Roger pre-face lift tragedy.
Bob Dylan almost is in tune for the whole notes.
Do you think they turned on Latoya's mic?
lol on all counts. well done.
about this every single day because the internet
is a huge part of my life.
I have always been intensely curious about
everything. I had a encyclopedia, reference
books, atlases. But if I wanted to find out
most things, I went to the library or Barnes
and Noble. I kept lists and spent hours
in those places every week.
I just saw the end of a show and they were
playing a song I never heard. I entered
some of the lyrics on Google and it was
a song by Sammy Cahn called 'Teach Me
Tonight'. In less than 5 min I found out what
the song was and listened to Sinatra sing
it.
Do you know how much time I would have
spent on this without the internet? Hours.
First would have to find the name of the
song, who wrote it and who recorded it.
Then find Sinatra singing it, and listening
to it? Might have taken days.
I marvel at the tool the internet is every
day, I'm in awe of what it will be able to do
for humanity into the future. Think where
we were 100 years ago. There are still
people alive that remember WW1. And
look at us now.
Quote: DocBob, I don't think you are a whole lot of years younger than I am, so I expected you might have been familiar with "Teach Me Tonight"
I was surprised I wasn't. I think I have every
album Sinatra ever recorded but I don't
have the one that song is from. It was
done in the 80's and Sinatra in the 80's
was not my fave. He sang too much
contemporary stuff.
It sounded like a Sammy Cahn or Jimmy
VanHeusen song, but I'd never heard it
before. I really like the lyrics.
dire warnings attached to it? In the 50's my parents
hid the eggs the night before. After we found them,
they were put in a bowl on the sideboard for the
rest of the day and sometimes into the next day, where
we snacked on them. Little did we know we are
lucky to have lived thru it.
Now they say the longest a boiled egg can be
out of the fridge is 2 hours. Hide the eggs
minutes before the kids look for them and
rush them back into the fridge to avoid
killing the whole family.
My mom would would pack them in our school
lunch at 6am to be eaten at noon. In the summer
we took boiled eggs on picnics and they sometimes
went all day before they were eaten. Nobody
ever got sick.
Food was better back then. Now all responsibility is passed onto the consumer to refrigerate things instead of food companies being extremely careful of their process. I have 20 bottles of sauces in my fridge just so the food company can be lazy and make more money from it.Quote: EvenBobRemember when hiding Easter eggs didn't have
dire warnings attached to it? In the 50's my parents
hid the eggs the night before. After we found them,
they were put in a bowl on the sideboard for the
rest of the day and sometimes into the next day, where
we snacked on them. Little did we know we are
lucky to have lived thru it.
Now they say the longest a boiled egg can be
out of the fridge is 2 hours. Hide the eggs
minutes before the kids look for them and
rush them back into the fridge to avoid
killing the whole family.
My mom would would pack them in our school
lunch at 6am to be eaten at noon. In the summer
we took boiled eggs on picnics and they sometimes
went all day before they were eaten. Nobody
ever got sick.
Quote: FleaStiffIn Australia eggs are not refrigerated prior to sale but simply stacked in the open air in a store. Boiled eggs are not refrigerated either.
On farms for thousands of years eggs were
never kept cold, it wasn't possible. They
lasted for weeks. What's changed, why are
they so fragile now.
Quote: EvenBobOn farms for thousands of years eggs were
never kept cold, it wasn't possible. They
lasted for weeks. What's changed, why are
they so fragile now.
Salmonella. If you vaccinate your chickens against Salmonella you can just keep them at room temperature with no significant risk. Some countries require by law that all their chickens need to vaccinated, the US doesn't.
Quote: DiscreteMaths2Salmonella. If you vaccinate your chickens against Salmonella you can just keep them at room temperature with no significant risk. Some countries require by law that all their chickens need to vaccinated, the US doesn't.
Vaccines would only cover the last 200 years or less.
My guess is the increased distance between farm and table. When people kept there own chickens they were exposed to these pathogens on a routine basis giving them a natural immunity. The strains of those pathogens were also not as virulent as the ones today. A consequence of antibiotics and the sanatation practices required in factory farms has killed off the weeker varieties.
The most effective selective breeding program is any incomplete sanitation process.
Elvis died, 40 years ago today. He was so
young, and a giant when I was growing up. It
really did feel like the end of an era.
August 16th, 1977.
died, but they were around before he died to. One
of the best, and the only one Elvis liked and approved
of, was Andy Kaufman. Here his is on Carson, it's an
amazing 6 min. He had E nailed down cold.
Xmas shows on Utube. We didn't have a
color TV in 1966, most people didn't. So
this is the first time seeing these in color
for me.
These shows are snapshots of life in the
60's, it really did exist, I was there. It's a
time I can't even imagine now, but it
was there. The innocence of it, the
family values.
It's worth watching this one just to see
the Osmond Brothers and Donnie Osmond
at 10 years old. No Marie yet..
Quote: AxelWolfOther than as a big monitor and watching fake news, I don't see a reason to have a TV, let alone cable. If it were up to me I wouldn't have cable TV. But my GF wants it. So I'm Paying $150 a month for my cable package that includes internet and security stuff. They include some dumb ass phone thing I don't even have hooked up. I could just buy a security system.
I'm sort of amazed so many people still have cable. It can be fun to surf the channels, which I still enjoy in hotels. But for what they charge you get almost nothing of value in return.
I'm not very tech savvy at all and I cut the chord at least 10 years ago.
Quote: RigondeauxI'm sort of amazed so many people still have cable. It can be fun to surf the channels, which I still enjoy in hotels. But for what they charge you get almost nothing of value in return.
I'm not very tech savvy at all and I cut the chord at least 10 years ago.
500 channels and still nothing good on. It really happens sometimes.
Quote: RigondeauxI'm sort of amazed so many people still have cable. It can be fun to surf the channels, which I still enjoy in hotels. But for what they charge you get almost nothing of value in return.
I'm not very tech savvy at all and I cut the chord at least 10 years ago.
We do because it is still convenient. We record everything and almost never watch live tv. We were going to get rid of cable but we pay $109 a month for cable and Internet. If we only had internet it would still cost about $60. So essentially we are paying $49 for cable. If we didn't have cable then we would probably have to have Netflix and maybe another service so really we are only losing $30. That seems pretty cheap for cable with 2 dvrs.
Cat therapists, yacht maids, moonshiners, homesteaders (freaks fleeing society), endless home decorating and home renovation, crime replays by the zillions.
It seems people watch these things voluntarily.
We even canceled Netflix. No more movies or shows. For the most part IDGAF about their original content.
There is lots of good stuff on YouTube if you need to kill time. If you really want to see something else there is streaming and file sharing.
