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mrjjj
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January 29th, 2012 at 3:18:57 PM permalink
I was running a few errands today, couldn't help noticing how many of the employees, speaking Spanish. Maybe its one thing talking Spanish to a customer but when its employee to employee, I say, use English or run the risk of being fired. Wait, I know.....then the ACLU will get involved for firing that employee (lol).

The employee should get a warning or two, then fired !! and I dont care if its a Mexican-American business owner that needs to do the firing. I also dont care if the business has a TOTAL of 37 workers...... all Mexican-Americans. ENGLISH ONLY PLEASE.

Ken
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January 29th, 2012 at 3:53:38 PM permalink
Sorry - I disagree.

Belgium has two languages (neither English) and if you go to Brussels both are present on road signs etc. Some international companies use English as their official language but you will hear people of both sides use their own language when working together. Obviously at meetings English is used.

I have also noted if shopping late that shelf stackers in Asda (Walmart) are often talking to each other in their native language.

What I do think is wrong is where (say) the official language is English and there is a mixed group, either working together or at official meetings, that there is communication on anything but English between two people.
Doc
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January 29th, 2012 at 5:48:34 PM permalink
Quote: charliepatrick

Belgium has two languages (neither English) and if you go to Brussels both are present on road signs etc.

There is a comedy technique that Steve Allen used under the title "The Question Man" and Johnny Carson used as "The Amazing Karnac". The routine is that a very simple answer is offered, with Allen or Carson providing a matching and humorous question or request. One such A&Q went like this:

A: Blemish
Q: Name one of the two national languages of Felgium.

One of my colleagues was a native of Belgium. Upon hearing the above quip, he enlightened me that there are actually three national languages in Belgium, not just French and Flemish -- in a small section of the country the primary official language is German.

Back on topic, I agree that in a multi-language work group it is preferable to stick to a language that everyone understands. There are exceptions, such as when some participants have limitations in the chosen language and can work more effectively when they have side conversations in their native tongue. This, however, presents the risk that some others (who do not know the language of the side discussion) may feel, rightly or with paranoia, that the side discussions are intended to hide something from the other members of the group.

Thirty years ago, I worked briefly on a team doing a project for the US Embassy in Cairo. At that time, the Cairo embassy had the largest staff of any US embassy in the world, but they only had one American citizen on their staff who spoke Arabic. She found herself called on to sit in on many meetings with the Egyptian nationals, because her managers were concerned (paranoid?) about what was going on in the side conversations they could not understand.

I suspect a similar paranoia is the cause of many of the problems that arise in situation such as that described by the OP, whether that was the case in his specific experiences or not.
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January 30th, 2012 at 7:09:46 PM permalink
Oh, please. My dad often spoke Yiddish with my brother, and they owned the business. Likewise my mom and grandmother.

In a meeting with employees who speak mostly english, business should be conducted in English, sure. But any employer woudl realize that. There's no need to pile on more regulations.
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pacomartin
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January 31st, 2012 at 4:35:47 AM permalink
Quote: mrjjj

The employee should get a warning or two, then fired !! and I dont care if its a Mexican-American business owner that needs to do the firing. I also dont care if the business has a TOTAL of 37 workers...... all Mexican-Americans. ENGLISH ONLY PLEASE.

Ken



So you are overhearing a conversation that doesn't concern you, and it bothers you that it's not in a language you understand. And you think that firing employees is the proper response for taking away your ability to eavesdrop.

I don't know if you caught my post, that the USA has now passed the country of Spain to be the country with the second largest Spanish speaking population in the world (behind Mexico). This announcement was made by a representative of the government of Spain.
mrjjj
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February 8th, 2012 at 7:39:40 PM permalink
Quote: pacomartin

So you are overhearing a conversation that doesn't concern you, and it bothers you that it's not in a language you understand. And you think that firing employees is the proper response for taking away your ability to eavesdrop.

I don't know if you caught my post, that the USA has now passed the country of Spain to be the country with the second largest Spanish speaking population in the world (behind Mexico). This announcement was made by a representative of the government of Spain.



"And you think that firing employees is the proper response" >>> Yes, next question?

Ken
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May 26th, 2012 at 4:13:19 PM permalink
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"And you think that firing employees is the proper response" >>> Yes, next question?

Ken


These are the estimates by the Census bureau from 2000 for number of language speakers (other than English) in the USA. The sum total is now well over 50 million people. Where would you propose limiting the use of their native language?

(1) Can they talk to each other at a table in a restaurant?
(2) In their home?
(3) In a place of business where they are not employees?
(4) When they are employees and no customers are around?
(5) When they are employees and customers are around of a similar ethnicity?
(6) When they are employees and customers are around of another minority?
(7) When they are employees and customers are around who only speak English?
(8) Just not around you.

Do you think they are talking about you? That is actually a very common complaint.


Spanish 28 million (out of 35.3 million who identify as hispanic or latino)
Chinese languages 2.0 million + (mostly Cantonese speakers, with a growing group of Mandarin speakers)
French 1.6 million
German 1.4 million (High German) + German dialects like Hutterite German, Texas German, Pennsylvania German, Plautdietsch
Tagalog 1.2 million + (Most Filipinos may also know other Philippine languages, e.g. Ilokano, Pangasinan, Bikol languages, and Visayan languages)
Vietnamese 1.01 million
Italian 1.01 million
Korean 890,000
Russian 710,000
Polish 670,000
Arabic 610,000
Portuguese 560,000
American Sign Language - 500,000

The hispanic/latino population is now over 50 million as of 2011. The number of Spanish speakers including 5 million students is well over 47 million (the population of Spain).
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May 27th, 2012 at 4:04:44 AM permalink
I pick up some shirts at the dry cleaners, I think they're Pakistani. When they're hollering back and forth I can't make any sense of it, but the shirts look nice.

I have dinner at an Indian or Thai restaurant, the workers are authentically of that ethnicity, and the food tastes great.

I pick up my girlfriend from getting her nails done. Can't make out a word those Asian girls are saying, but her nails look awesome.

I deal table games to people of so many different cultures I don't know what half of them are saying when they converse among themselves. The tips go in the toke box just fine.

I think I missed what the big deal is.
mrjjj
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June 1st, 2012 at 10:51:01 AM permalink
Quote: pacomartin

These are the estimates by the Census bureau from 2000 for number of language speakers (other than English) in the USA. The sum total is now well over 50 million people. Where would you propose limiting the use of their native language?

(1) Can they talk to each other at a table in a restaurant?
(2) In their home?
(3) In a place of business where they are not employees?
(4) When they are employees and no customers are around?
(5) When they are employees and customers are around of a similar ethnicity?
(6) When they are employees and customers are around of another minority?
(7) When they are employees and customers are around who only speak English?
(8) Just not around you.

Do you think they are talking about you? That is actually a very common complaint.


Spanish 28 million (out of 35.3 million who identify as hispanic or latino)
Chinese languages 2.0 million + (mostly Cantonese speakers, with a growing group of Mandarin speakers)
French 1.6 million
German 1.4 million (High German) + German dialects like Hutterite German, Texas German, Pennsylvania German, Plautdietsch
Tagalog 1.2 million + (Most Filipinos may also know other Philippine languages, e.g. Ilokano, Pangasinan, Bikol languages, and Visayan languages)
Vietnamese 1.01 million
Italian 1.01 million
Korean 890,000
Russian 710,000
Polish 670,000
Arabic 610,000
Portuguese 560,000
American Sign Language - 500,000

The hispanic/latino population is now over 50 million as of 2011. The number of Spanish speakers including 5 million students is well over 47 million (the population of Spain).




I already stated, in BUSINESS situations. You see pacomartin, thats the beauty of an OPINION. I'm allowed to have one and I stand by it 100%. English only in businesses in America. If an employee does not follow the rule...FIRED. If they can not speak English...no job. No English...no drivers license.

A few months back, I gave another VIEW that some did not like, tough. How about an English 'word of the day' on some site for the people here that know little or no English. I stand by that VIEW 100% regardless of the outcome. One should never change their opinion for the sole reason just to 'fit in', I could careless about that.

Ken
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June 1st, 2012 at 3:57:45 PM permalink
Quote: mrjjj

I already stated, in BUSINESS situations. You see pacomartin, thats the beauty of an OPINION. I'm allowed to have one and I stand by it 100%. English only in businesses in America. If an employee does not follow the rule...FIRED. If they can not speak English...no job. No English...no drivers license.

A few months back, I gave another VIEW that some did not like, tough. How about an English 'word of the day' on some site for the people here that know little or no English. I stand by that VIEW 100% regardless of the outcome. One should never change their opinion for the sole reason just to 'fit in', I could careless about that.

Ken



If they ever pass your law keep your fingers crossed it doesn't extend to the proper use of written English. :)

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