reno
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September 8th, 2011 at 11:46:05 AM permalink
My complaint about Democrats: When George W. Bush was in office, liberals complained that the Patriot Act was evil, and the Iraq War was illegal. But Obama signed an extension to the Patriot Act in May 2011, and hardly any liberals made a fuss that the police state is now bipartisan. As foolish as the Iraq War was, at least Bush had authorization from Congress, something Obama never had when he launched military action against Libya. Libya seems to have a happy ending (for now) but it sets a horrible precedent for future presidents who launch an unconstitutional war without Congressional oversight. Why arenít liberals holding Obama to the same standard as they did Bush?

My complaint about Republicans: The ideology of modern conservatism seems to be that government canít be trusted, government usually screws things up, government employees are incompetent, and government has no business interfering with our private lives. Conservatives also believe that 100% of death row inmates are guilty because government employees never make mistakes. Is it possible that any of the 1,266 Americans executed since 1976 were innocent? Maybe a couple. Pro-life conservatives donít seem to mind when government executes the occasional innocent man, just so long as no government bureaucrats tell them what kind of lightbulb to buy.
matilda
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September 8th, 2011 at 11:55:29 AM permalink
I don't disagree except some liberals do strongly dislike Obama.
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DJTeddyBear
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September 8th, 2011 at 12:09:30 PM permalink
Quote: reno

Democrats & Republicans are both full of crap


Tell me something I don't know.
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vert1276
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September 8th, 2011 at 5:11:28 PM permalink
where you are going wrong with your complaints about republicans is....they dont think goverment can't be trusted or incompetent...they think the FEDERAL goverment is incompetent and cant be trusted.....they have no problem with state goverment really.....they may disagree with some goverment actions within their own state.....But they problem with state goverment in general.....Conservatives and republicans believe decisions and money spent are best done LOCAL.....They dont want to be told whats best for there local community or schools from a bureaucracy thousands of miles away.....that has no first hand knowledge of the needs of that community....
reno
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September 9th, 2011 at 6:28:02 AM permalink
Quote: vert1276

where you are going wrong with your complaints about republicans is....they dont think goverment can't be trusted or incompetent...they think the FEDERAL goverment is incompetent and cant be trusted.....they have no problem with state goverment really...



State governors have tremendous power to decide who lives and who dies on death row. I'm amused that conservatives are willing to trust crooked politicians like Gov Rod Blagojevich (D-IL) or Gov Eliot Spitzer (D-NY) with that sort of power. And if they have such distrust in the federal government, why aren't conservatives upset that there are 54 Americans on federal death row who are at the mercy of Kenyan socialist Barack Hussein Obama? So long as Obama doesn't tell them what kind of lightbulbs to buy, Republicans have no concerns about him signing death warrants.
vert1276
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September 9th, 2011 at 1:57:38 PM permalink
Quote: reno

State governors have tremendous power to decide who lives and who dies on death row. I'm amused that conservatives are willing to trust crooked politicians like Gov Rod Blagojevich (D-IL) or Gov Eliot Spitzer (D-NY) with that sort of power. And if they have such distrust in the federal government, why aren't conservatives upset that there are 54 Americans on federal death row who are at the mercy of Kenyan socialist Barack Hussein Obama? So long as Obama doesn't tell them what kind of lightbulbs to buy, Republicans have no concerns about him signing death warrants.



well no one is saying their is not crooked state politicians......Republicans are just saying LOCAL decisions that affect peoples life's are usually better than FEDERAL decisions.....Would you rather have or county or city making decisions about how local schools spend money and what they teach....Or the department of education in DC?.....

I can see you are kind obsessed with the death penalty......But lets not forget...It was not the state or the federal goverment that put those people on death row.....it was 12 of their peers...
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September 9th, 2011 at 2:25:47 PM permalink
Quote: vert1276

.Would you rather have or county or city making decisions about how local schools spend money and what they teach....Or the department of education in DC?....



Most definitely the department of education for what they teach.

I'm sure there were (are) people who still would like to slant a version of the civil war (was it about state's rights or slavery debate).

Evolution will be taught in some states and not in others.

There are plenty of politicians of many stripes in Washington and other people at Federal levels with many viewpoints. If not, what's all that crap they fight about up there in Washington?

I'm not against some trade-off agreed to by local and federal, but not outright make up your own standards.
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September 9th, 2011 at 3:38:50 PM permalink
I thought the Civil War was fought over state's right to cede from the Union... it just so happened that the big splitting point was slave ownership (a no compromise item, it would seem).

Possibly a debate for another thread though...
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Nareed
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September 9th, 2011 at 6:29:02 PM permalink
Quote: reno

Why arenít liberals holding Obama to the same standard as they did Bush?



Because he's on their side.

Why didn't the GOP rake Bush over the coals when eh asked for an increase on the debt ceiling? Same reason.

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My complaint about Republicans: The ideology of modern conservatism seems to be that government canít be trusted, government usually screws things up, government employees are incompetent, and government has no business interfering with our private lives.



Ah, if only that were the Republican ideology <sigh>

truth is the Republicans very much want government to interfere in private lives, so long as they get to decide in what areas. they'll raise holy hell if government wants you to buy a kind of light bulb, and rightly so. But they'll cheer if government decrees a woman ought to be kept pregnant against her wishes, or that a person must be kept alive on life support against the wishes of their next-of-kin.

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Conservatives also believe that 100% of death row inmates are guilty because government employees never make mistakes.



Oh, no. they believe it because they've been charged, and why would the police arrest and the D.A. bring charges against someone who wasn't guilty? Democrats believe the same thing in other types of cases.

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Is it possible that any of the 1,266 Americans executed since 1976 were innocent?



Certainly. That's the one valid objection to the death penalty. That despite the best intentions and utter competence and safeguards, it will always be possible to execute an innocent person, or one guilty of a lesser offense.
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rxwine
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September 9th, 2011 at 6:56:38 PM permalink
The way I look at it:

Some people have a few core reasons they vote for one or the other candidate. These are non-compromise. A candidate has failed if he/she does not meet those requirements.

Some vote because there is hodgepodge of things that gets passed that you support. Or maybe don't get passed or repealed.

Some vote the least of two evils.

So far as I know there has never been a President that hasn't ended up clearly compromising on something. (some refer to it as lying)

Even still, there are other factors. Certainly, the questions surrounding "enhanced interrogation" would likely have never been an issue until something as significant as 911. We might never be aware of a President's actual position until he/she is in office on stuff like that. It might make us inclined to consider them success or failures as well.

A failing a economy is probably never not going to be an issue. Wars, are probably second on that list. If not for those things, it would just be something else of course.
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