DeMango
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September 9th, 2010 at 11:21:03 PM permalink
In our society it is legal to murder those unborn. Something about privacy. We are such a superior society!
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mkl654321
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September 10th, 2010 at 11:37:12 AM permalink
Quote: DeMango

In our society it is legal to murder those unborn. Something about privacy. We are such a superior society!



Actually, it's not legally POSSIBLE to "murder" the unborn.
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BigTip
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September 18th, 2010 at 8:14:59 PM permalink
Quote: mkl654321

Actually:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

Still a radical concept, that some human rights transcend the permissions or prohibitions of governments, but a valid idea nonetheless. I do see it disappearing under the smothering weight of an increasingly intrusive government that "knows what is best for us", and I foresee in the not too distant future, persons being carted off to reeducation camps and mind-wiped for quoting the above passage. Hopefully, I'll be dead by then.



Just because a few fellows in powdered wigs wrote that doesn't make it fact. Their king would probably argued with them on it as a matter of fact.

These are men, law givers, giving us these rights.
Calder
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September 18th, 2010 at 9:13:45 PM permalink
Quote: mkl654321

Actually, it's not legally POSSIBLE to "murder" the unborn.



I don't believe fetal homicide laws are all that uncommon in the U.S.

From Wisconsin Statutes, 940.04:

(1) Any person, other than the mother,
who intentionally destroys the life of an unborn child is guilty of
a Class H felony.
(2) Any person, other than the mother, who does either of the
following is guilty of a Class E felony:
(a) Intentionally destroys the life of an unborn quick child; or
(b) Causes the death of the mother by an act done with intent
to destroy the life of an unborn child. It is unnecessary to prove
that the fetus was alive when the act so causing the motherís death
was committed.
(3) Any pregnant woman who intentionally destroys the life
of her unborn child or who consents to such destruction by another
may be fined not more than $200 or imprisoned not more than 6
months or both.
(4) Any pregnant woman who intentionally destroys the life
of her unborn quick child or who consents to such destruction by
another is guilty of a Class I felony.
(5) This section does not apply to a therapeutic abortion
which...
mkl654321
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September 19th, 2010 at 12:24:33 AM permalink
Quote: BigTip

Just because a few fellows in powdered wigs wrote that doesn't make it fact. Their king would probably argued with them on it as a matter of fact.

These are men, law givers, giving us these rights.



That's the whole point! Human rights exist whether or not anyone says that they do. Those who wrote that passage understood that "self-evident" truth.
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mkl654321
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September 19th, 2010 at 12:28:32 AM permalink
Quote: Calder

I don't believe fetal homicide laws are all that uncommon in the U.S.

From Wisconsin Statutes, 940.04:



Of course. But note that a new crime, "fetal homicide", had to be created out of thin air. They don't call it "murder", or plain old "homicide", because those terms refer to killing a human being, something that a fetus is NOT. It's more than just a semantic distinction, though. The MOTHER has every right to kill her fetus if she wishes; any other person doing so without the mother's consent violates the MOTHER's rights.
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EvenBob
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September 19th, 2010 at 12:41:52 AM permalink
Quote: mkl654321

The MOTHER has every right to kill her fetus if she wishes



Then she has the right to kill any of her children, right? What should be the cutoff age, 18?
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MarieBicurie
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September 19th, 2010 at 12:44:52 AM permalink
I could do without smoking in casinos.

edit: After thinking about it more, the thing that really gets me is obnoxious smokers in the casino. That one I can't stand. The rest I can live with, although I'd much rather live without it.
mkl654321
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September 19th, 2010 at 7:09:28 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Then she has the right to kill any of her children, right? What should be the cutoff age, 18?



A fetus is neither a child nor a human being.

In any case, as I'm sure you're aware, abortion is legal but infanticide is not, so the law recognizes the same distinction as I made, above.
The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one. The happiness of credulity is a cheap and dangerous quality.---George Bernard Shaw
EvenBob
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September 19th, 2010 at 7:58:35 PM permalink
Quote: mkl654321

A fetus is neither a child nor a human being.



What is it then, nothing? Its a human being. You think something magical happens at birth that POOF, its now human and before that it was nonexistant? Its a human from the time of conception, people who think otherwise are kidding themselves because they have an agenda. Its alive in the womb, it doesn't come alive at birth. Get real..
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