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August 8th, 2011 at 9:02:31 PM permalink
In my trip downtown on Sunday I noticed lots of signage in the Vegas Club (or is it Las Vegas club?) claiming that their slots are 40% looser than before and the loosest downtown.

Coincidentally, I had just come from the El Cortez where they claim their slots are 32.62% looser than the Clark County average. In small print it said that details were available at the cage. So, I went to the cage. It took about five minutes but they eventually photocopied some figures and a letter from CDC E-Reports backing up the claim.

I was hoping the Vegas club would do the same. So I asked about it at the cage and the cashier paged the slot supervisor on duty. About five minutes later somebody came out and asked me what I wanted. So I asked the question and she tried to get rid of me with vague answers. However, I kept pressing her to see evidence of her claims. She finally gave up on me and told me to wait in another part of the casino. A few minutes later somebody else came along and I asked the same questions for a third time. She said I would have to speak to the head of slots on Monday. I asked if I could call and she gave me his name. So today I called around 1:00 PM, asking the same question for a fourth time, but have not heard back yet.

As far as I know the casinos don't know what each other is doing, so I have no idea how the Vegas club could claim to have the loosest slots downtown. They would know the downtown average, but how could they know, for example, the returns at the Fitzgerald's. However, I'll give the slot director a fair chance to make his case, should he choose to return my call. If I'm not convinced they are making a truthful claim I will have no compunction to write a letter of complaint to Gaming.

Stay tuned for further developments.
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August 8th, 2011 at 10:34:13 PM permalink
Good for you Wizard! Don't let them off the hook.

I suspect in the small print, they will say the claim actually refers to their "party pit" dancers.
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August 8th, 2011 at 10:54:37 PM permalink
'Vegas Slots Detective'. I'm thinking cable TV show...
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August 8th, 2011 at 11:04:55 PM permalink
I thought the commission forbade "loosest" claims. They can "loose" or "more loose than xxxxxxxx" or "looser than xxxxxxxxxx" but they can't say "loosest". The "false or misleading" of 5.011(4), I think.
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August 9th, 2011 at 2:02:50 AM permalink
Take 'em to town!
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August 9th, 2011 at 4:28:37 AM permalink
Thanks for the vigilance Wiz.
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August 9th, 2011 at 4:51:30 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

I thought the commission forbade "loosest" claims. They can "loose" or "more loose than xxxxxxxx" or "looser than xxxxxxxxxx" but they can't say "loosest". The "false or misleading" of 5.011(4), I think.

I was thinking the same thing.

Evidence or not, they can't make such a claim.

And even if they have the evidence, that's all historical. As such, any claim must have a historical disclaimer.
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August 9th, 2011 at 5:38:41 AM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

And even if they have the evidence, that's all historical. As such, any claim must have a historical disclaimer.

All they might reasonably claim is that as of a determination made on a certain date they were then the loosest ... they don't know what the other casinos have done in the interim and if its some ancient survey its meaningless.

I think that slot rates should be subject to disclosure and meaningful comparisons. I understand one licensee is disclosing the rate on each individual machine. But even a "below county average" ain't to informative. I would suspect many are below average and many are above it. That doesn't mean its worth the cab fare to seek out a looser slot or that one's individual experience is in any way going to be related to an average that embraces machines he is not playing.
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August 9th, 2011 at 8:25:32 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

In my trip downtown on Sunday I noticed lots of signage in the Vegas Club (or is it Las Vegas club?) claiming that their slots are 40% looser than before and the loosest downtown.


I don't understand the statement. Looser than what? What are they calculating? What is the numerical variable that has changed 40%?
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August 9th, 2011 at 8:40:38 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

In my trip downtown on Sunday I noticed lots of signage in the Vegas Club (or is it Las Vegas club?) claiming that their slots are 40% looser than before and the loosest downtown.



As far as I'm concerned Vegas=Las Vegas.

So there :P

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I was hoping the Vegas club would do the same.



Not an unreasonable expectation, but marketing slogans are not what you'd call subject to review by the public.

Have you tried emailing the gaming commission? Just a question, "I noticed this sign at LVC and I wonder...." I doubt you'll get anythign concrete from the casino, but they may be stepping on some rule with that ad.

BTW I'm reminded of an old Dave Berg cartoon in MAD Magazine. It showed three pizza parlors in the same block. One advertised "Best pizza in the country!" The second "Best pizza in the world!" The third "Best pizza in the block!" And it was the third that looked full and had a line outside.
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