Caesar's / Harrah's...Walk On By

Odds Getting Longer For Caesars Entertainment

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March 6th, 2012 at 5:48:15 AM permalink

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March 6th, 2012 at 7:10:44 AM permalink

Quote: WongBo
I personally detest Caesars / Harrahs for their greedy policies and cheap approach to their customers.

Details? It's hard to get people to join a boycott ont he basis that you don't like something.

I stayed at IP in '09 and Rio in 2010. Considering each property's quality, they were both good for the money paid. And since I just don't play that much, comps and other associated policies don't concern me. I also bought the 24 hour buffet of buffets pass in 2010, which was entirely satisfactory in every way.

I don't actually play at Caesars' proeprties. But I would stay at their hotels if convenient or if I wanted to. And they still don't charge resort fees.

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March 6th, 2012 at 7:46:08 AM permalink

rude staff, bad payables, high house edge games,
Bad food, dirty restrooms, watery drinks,
Desperate financial straits likely to make things even tighter.

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March 6th, 2012 at 7:51:48 AM permalink

I always play at the Rio and Paris. I've never
had any of those problems you list.

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March 6th, 2012 at 7:57:47 AM permalink

I haven't been to Vegas in a while, I will admit.
I have mostly experienced these problems at
Their NJ properties: Caesar's AC, Ballys AC, Showboat, WildWest, Harrah's AC.
And Harrah's Chester.(PA)

If you are satisfied with your experiences by all means continue to enjoy yourself.
I know I am not alone in my opinion.

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March 6th, 2012 at 8:17:39 AM permalink

Quote: WongBo
rude staff,

I did have a small bad experience in '09 at a craps table in Bally's. And an obnoxious employee at the player card desk in '08 in paris. otehr than that, all the Harrah's/Caesars staff has been friendly and curteous.

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bad payables, high house edge games,

Yes, indeed. And gimmicky side bets like 6-card bonus. The only Caesars proeprty I regularly play at is Bill's, because I like Rapid Craps (I'd like it better at more than 3,4,5X, ofc ourse). That's why I don't play there. But they tend to have good deals for lodging, and as noted before the buffet pass is a very good deal.

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Bad food, dirty restrooms, watery drinks,

Hmm. I did try the buffets at Harrah's, Rio, Paris and PH, and they were good enough for a Vegas buffet (pretty good desserts, too). I ate a burger at a restaurant in Bill's, which was above average for a burger anywhere. All the food I consumed at IP in '09 was edible and non-poisonous, and that's the bets I can say about it ;) I dind't order any drinks. the restrooms I recall using were fine.

Just saying...

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March 6th, 2012 at 8:24:35 AM permalink

Before anyone gets confused, the WildWest casino mentioned is actually part of Bally's AC. It's a separate room, and may have been the origianal Claridge casino, but it is part of the Bally's name and license.

I have also had disapointing experiences with the CET properties in AC, and no problems in Vegas.

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March 6th, 2012 at 8:29:13 AM permalink

How can anybody compare AC to Vegas. AC is a toilet.

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March 6th, 2012 at 8:54:32 AM permalink

Nobody was comparing the two.

We were discussing the quality of CZR properties.
If you don't agree, enjoy them while you can.
They are $20 billion in debt, with 2011 interest expenses of $2.12B and EBIDTA of $1.94B.

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March 6th, 2012 at 8:56:45 AM permalink

O' Sheas can be crossed off that list. If what I've read is correct, employees received their 60 day termination notices on March 1st and the casino is scheduled to close on April 30th.

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March 6th, 2012 at 8:59:36 AM permalink

One down,fifty four to go...

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March 6th, 2012 at 9:40:35 AM permalink

Quote: WongBo
rude staff, bad payables, high house edge games,
Bad food, dirty restrooms, watery drinks,
Desperate financial straits likely to make things even tighter.

I have found the bad paytables and high house edge games in Vegas, but in San Diego Harrah's has the most liberal paytables and games. I have not experienced the bad food, dirty restrooms, watery drinks, or rude staff. They have also been very generous with me with the comps, more than any other casino I have developed a relationship with. I don't like the fact that 80% of the strip is owned by 2 companies and I prefer looser houses to tighter ones, but I feel like the comps make up for the lower paytables. Besides, I can avoid the lousy games and play the good games.

On a seperate note, it bothers me when someone complains about a company being "greedy". Everybody is greedy. It is part of the fundamental human condition. And the gamblers are just as greedy as the house. Are we not greedy? We demand 100% + VP tables, the best rules at BJ, free drinks, meals, hotel rooms, oh and throw in some promotional chips and slot play while you are at it. Our greed is good but Gary Loveman's greed is bad? Frankly, if you think that greed is bad (I don't) I think I can make a strong case that player greed is worse. We demand that people build opulent billion dollar resorts and fill them with games that can be beaten in the long run...

Instead of punishing them for being "greedy" why don't we just find the best deal for each of us individually, patronize those places.

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March 6th, 2012 at 9:58:10 AM permalink

Horseshoe Council Bluffs is a HET property.

They don't comp your drinks unless you are a diamond card, but I think that has something to do with being in Iowa (as the other casino's don't do it either)..

Anyway, their craps tables are 100x odds. On the buy bets, they take $1 for every $39 bet. On the lay, they take $1 for every $39 won.

I'm not sure how they rate you. It's really hard to know. Maybe I should ask next time I'm in there and it's quiet.

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March 6th, 2012 at 1:05:37 PM permalink

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Horseshoe Council Bluffs is a HET property. They don't comp your drinks unless you are a diamond card, but I think that has something to do with being in Iowa (as the other casino's don't do it either)..

If you ask the pit to comp your drinks, they will. They'll buy the table a round, thought Diamond players don't really get to take advantage of that

Quote: Triplell
Anyway, their craps tables are 100x odds. On the buy bets, they take $1 for every $39 bet. On the lay, they take $1 for every $39 won.

Actually, they'll give a buy bet on a $10 bet, only costing you $1 on wins only. It's a pretty good deal.

Quote: WongBo
rude staff, bad payables, high house edge games, Bad food, dirty restrooms, watery drinks, Desperate financial straits likely to make things even tighter.

Rude staff? Other than for a few small exceptions, most of the staff at nearly ALL properties are more than willing to help you. Bad paytables and high house edge games? Only in Vegas, which I agree, is awful. AC may not have the best paytables on VP, but they've got Spanish 21 with a low HE, and all the other games are standard AC rules. Bad Food, watery drinks, dirty restrooms? Details please...

Quote: WongBo
I have mostly experienced these problems at their NJ properties: Caesar's AC, Ballys AC, Showboat, WildWest, Harrah's AC. And Harrah's Chester.(PA)

If you are satisfied with your experiences by all means continue to enjoy yourself. I know I am not alone in my opinion.

I'll fully admit I'm a Diamond card holder with Caesars. The properties in AC are mediocre, but where is it better that you're going to get a lot of flexibility? Trump Plaza, which got a glowing review from you in another post??? You think THAT will last longer than Caesars??? ACH is on its last legs. Tropicana will survive, but you expected a lot there and didn't get anything from it. That leaves Borgata (too big if you're not a high roller), Trump Taj, Revel and Golden Nugget. None of those give you the flexibility of Total Rewards if you travel.

If you only play in Atlantic City, then you shouldn't play at Caesars properties... but if you travel at all, there are only three cards that give you good nationwide exposure: TR, MLife, and B Connected. Penn's not linked so that's tough. MLife is mostly Vegas, and talk about unfair; Bellagio won't rate players at less than a $25 level... is THAT fair? I'd boycott MGM just for that policy alone.

Yes, I'm biased... I have stated before that I'm a Dark Lord in the Evil Empire... but unless you have played extensively at a LOT of their properties, you aren't getting the total picture. I've been to at least 20 of the properties, and they vary from awful (any LV property) to near excellent (Horseshoe Tunica). They average out to a good level if you travel a lot like I do.

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March 6th, 2012 at 2:07:14 PM permalink

I'm a lot in agreement with tiltpoul. I have not paid for a room with CET for 10 years. I stay 4 or 5 times a year on the strip. I gamble there just enough to keep the comps coming. When I want to play VP I walk to the Casino Royale. Even with the shitty odds I would say I am not too far down at Caesars props. If I throw the rooms and food comps, free play, yearly gift, etc. then I am probably ahead.

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March 6th, 2012 at 4:17:41 PM permalink

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I'm a lot in agreement with tiltpoul. I have not paid for a room with CET for 10 years. I stay 4 or 5 times a year on the strip. I gamble there just enough to keep the comps coming. When I want to play VP I walk to the Casino Royale. Even with the shitty odds I would say I am not too far down at Caesars props. If I throw the rooms and food comps, free play, yearly gift, etc. then I am probably ahead.

Agree 100%. As a low level pai gow poker player, and now tiles too, Caesars gives me free rooms now for up to 5 nights in vegas. Even though i get minimal other comps, probably about $1 per hour of play, overall I do fine for my level of play. They usually give me one coupon for a free dinner at the Rio buffet, or something equivalent, too. My games have no 'paytables', so there is no advantage to playing at one casino versus another. They are always super nice at the Rio. As mentioned previously, a pit boss handed me a set of tiles as a gift last year.

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March 6th, 2012 at 4:52:46 PM permalink

I also agree and am treated the same way. At least at Ceasars your play and comps follow you, at MGM properties they do not. Just because I qualify for some free nights at the Bellagio I will not be given the same offer at the Mirage if I have not played enough there. If you get free nights at MGM properties you do not pay the resort fee but if you pay a reduced room fee than you still pay the resort fee.

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March 6th, 2012 at 7:06:13 PM permalink

Quote: DJTeddyBear
Before anyone gets confused, the WildWest casino mentioned is actually part of Bally's AC. It's a separate room, and may have been the origianal Claridge casino, but it is part of the Bally's name and license.

It was never part of the Claridge. It's on the other side of the main Bally's. Arthur Goldberg built it as the first real attempt at theming in AC, and it was one of his last major efforts as head of Bally's.

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March 6th, 2012 at 10:09:17 PM permalink

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If you ask the pit to comp your drinks, they will. They'll buy the table a round, thought Diamond players don't really get to take advantage of that

Actually, they'll give a buy bet on a $10 bet, only costing you $1 on wins only. It's a pretty good deal.

Yes, they charge $1 vig on a buy bet of $10-$39. Although the better deal is on the $39 dollar buy. Most places only go up to $30.

As for comping drinks, I've asked, I've been denied. It usually depends if I'm winning or losing. If it seems I'm up, they will offer to buy me a drink. If i'm losing, they tell me I need to gamble more.

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March 7th, 2012 at 1:31:27 AM permalink

There's still some weird rumors about the predatory gaming practices over at Caesar's Palace. If you have a gaming host from a non Caesar's property, then be sure to ask them about the some of the wild stories and rumors. When the casino turned union, the dealer's also started talking. Probably the most fascinating story of them all is the story of Terrance Watanbe and the bumbling surveillance staff. There's also a link to the the dealer's union that can be found.

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March 7th, 2012 at 9:51:45 AM permalink

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Yes, they charge $1 vig on a buy bet of $10-$39. Although the better deal is on the $39 dollar buy. Most places only go up to $30.

As for comping drinks, I've asked, I've been denied. It usually depends if I'm winning or losing. If it seems I'm up, they will offer to buy me a drink. If i'm losing, they tell me I need to gamble more.

I was referring to the $1 on $10 being better than most casinos, that charge a vig of $2 on the win.

Next time you play, try asking for the TABLE to get comped. My experience has ALWAYS been that they'll do that about once an hour. Further, if they DO say no, usually a Diamond card holder will offer to get your drink for you; I know I always do.

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March 7th, 2012 at 10:09:52 AM permalink

I have always said if you are in for a long term commitment, Harrah's is the best place, at least it has been for me. I am a low level diamond player and in comps alone I usually make close to my money back. One year my wife and I did two five day trips to New Orleans and stayed at the beautiful downtown Marriott($399 a night retail) totally free. Two trips a year to Vegas, including New Years Eve, totally free. Five nights at Lake Tahoe totally free. Now we dont plan all our trips this way, but the amout of comps I have received for gambling maybe 10-12 weekends a year I think is pretty good. if you are expecting to sit and play one time, even at a high level, and get some amazing benefit, you won't. The best advice I can give anyone is schmooze the pit bosses and be nice or friendly with them. You will be surprised at how fast you can rack up points that way.

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March 7th, 2012 at 11:03:10 AM permalink

I disagree. I don't think Harrah's is that bad. They reward loyalty, and their outlying properties usually have decent games. The HIFOB strip in Vegas is terrible. (Save Harrah's, which I kind of like). The Rio is very nice and they haven't been able to completely ruin it no matter how hard they try. Caesars is magnificent, and great for high rollers (but terrible for low rollers). I'm neutral on P-ho.

I've liked every Harrah's property I've visited outside of Las Vegas except Laughlin.

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March 7th, 2012 at 11:35:48 AM permalink

Caesars Entertainment CEO Gary Loveman is counting on legalization of gaming in MASS to turn around the company.

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March 7th, 2012 at 2:17:04 PM permalink

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Caesars Entertainment CEO Gary Loveman is counting on legalization of gaming in MASS to turn around the company.

Won't save their butt in AC.

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March 7th, 2012 at 2:35:20 PM permalink

I really do not see them as bad for the customer in Las Vegas until he is willing to be taken. Flamingo offers 6/5 BJ with hot dancers at the entrance and 3/2 in the middle of the casino. Guess which tables are full? Besides any of the places downtown with a good BJ game are so quick to back you off with any major variance in play.
CZR is no different than any other casino in that they are there to take your money and have you enjoy them doing it.

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March 12th, 2012 at 9:49:15 AM permalink

I'm a little bit torn on this topic. Obviously I detest any 6-5 "Blackjack" game, and pretty much the only place to find S17 BJ on the strip these days is at the high-end MGM properties.

At the same time, in my short experience, the comps at Caesars properties seem to be better than MGM properties. I have heard that MLife will only offer you room comps at the properties where you gamble, as opposed to TR which will offer you comps across the board in Vegas if you have gambled in Vegas, which seems to be true based on my experience. For my last trip, where I put in a decent amount of green chip craps play among both properties, I earned about $57 in "express comps" from MLIfe, but only got hotel offers from the places where I gambled, and they're not great. Whereas in my TR account, I got hotel offers from all of their properties, in fact I was able to get 3 free nights (Fri-Sat-Sun) at Bally's for an upcoming bachelor party, and I didn't even set foot in Bally's on my last trip (I'm staying there since it is where the rest of the guys are staying).

Throw in the fact that Caesers properties don't charge resort fees and I have to say that for the foreseeable future, I will be staying in Caesars properties when I visit the strip and playing craps there, but playing blackjack at MGM properties.

As an aside, does anyone know the conversion rate for TR rewards credits to cash? They won't tell you on the website, but whenever I check out the desk agent will say "you have $XX.XX in cash on your TR account, do you want to apply that to your hotel bill?" Seems silly to keep that conversion rate a secret, although I guess by not disclosing it they can change it at any time.

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March 12th, 2012 at 9:57:45 AM permalink

You divide the amount by 100. So if have 37,000 points its $370.

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March 12th, 2012 at 11:51:47 AM permalink

Quote: hook3670
You divide the amount by 100. So if have 37,000 points its $370.

Cool thanks. I was afraid that was the case, which means I have a pretty measly amount of cash. However I guess it means the Total Rewards Visa I signed up for a while back isn't that bad of a deal. $1 spent = 1 RC, which is your pretty standard 1% reward rate.

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March 12th, 2012 at 12:08:48 PM permalink

Except most credit cards will give 2%-5% on certain purchases. As most of my credit card purchases are gas anyway...I find the 1% to be a horrible deal...

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March 12th, 2012 at 12:23:41 PM permalink

I haven't quite figured this out yet, but if you shop at Target or some other partner companies, you get rewards credits for those also.

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March 12th, 2012 at 12:30:24 PM permalink

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As an aside, does anyone know the conversion rate for TR rewards credits to cash? They won't tell you on the website, but whenever I check out the desk agent will say "you have $XX.XX in cash on your TR account, do you want to apply that to your hotel bill?" Seems silly to keep that conversion rate a secret, although I guess by not disclosing it they can change it at any time.

100=$1 in Harrah's dollars. 200=$1 U.S. CASH at most Harrah's properties outside of Las Vegas. How long have you been playing at Harrah's and how many offers have you redeemed?

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March 12th, 2012 at 1:00:19 PM permalink

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100=$1 in Harrah's dollars. 200=$1 U.S. CASH at most Harrah's properties outside of Las Vegas. How long have you been playing at Harrah's and how many offers have you redeemed?

Lessee....I got my TR card in December '10 and have returned to Vegas for 3 trips since then, and also had 2 short sessions at Horseshoe Hammond and Harrahs New Orleans. All of the above mostly as a red chip craps/BJ player, but on this past trip bumped up my action quite a bit. I got 2 free nights at the Flamingo on my recent trip, but they were Sunday and Monday nights, so not hard to come by. On my next trip (April 1st weekend) I got 3 free nights at Bally's (Fri-Sat-Sun), so that was nice. Those are the only offers I have redeemed, other than that I used my RC balance to pay for incidental room charges and a breakfast on one of my previous trips.

Out of curiosity why do you ask? I don't have a problem disclosing my gambling history, but I am pretty naive to the comp world. If I should be asking for more, feel free to tell me :).

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March 12th, 2012 at 1:04:42 PM permalink

No problem, just wondering how much of a newbie to TR you are. They tend to start you off strong with offers and then ramp you down as you redeem more offers and your action doesn't increase/stays level. They do give out Vegas hotel rooms like candy, it seems.

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March 12th, 2012 at 1:08:43 PM permalink

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Except most credit cards will give 2%-5% on certain purchases. As most of my credit card purchases are gas anyway...I find the 1% to be a horrible deal...

I haven't shopped around recently, but the last time I did I found it hard to find anything over 1% that didn't come with a yearly fee that negated any reward.

I use Discover as much as I can these days, which is .25% for the first $3K in a year, and then straight 1% cash after that. Plus you can redeem your Discover cash-back bucks for more than face value with some retailers. My favorite is Enterprise rent-a-car, where you can get a $40 off certificate for $20 in Discover money. Pretty nice deal if you travel a lot. Discover will also run certain calendar promos...for Jan-Mar it's 5% back for Gas and Movies, for Apr-Jun it's 5% on Restaurants and Movies, but they cap these 5% rewards at $75 total.

Anyway I'm just rambling, but if there's a good credit card deal out there with 2-5% rewards, no fee, and is Visa/MC, let me know. The more attractive rewards programs are always Discover or AmEx, which are harder to use.

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March 12th, 2012 at 2:58:59 PM permalink

Quote: teddys
100=$1 in Harrah's dollars. 200=$1 U.S. CASH at most Harrah's properties outside of Las Vegas. How long have you been playing at Harrah's and how many offers have you redeemed?

That appears to be changing before April 1. It looks like ALL casinos will be going to "Slot play/Table play" instead of cash back. It is still redeemed at the 2:1 ratio though...

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March 12th, 2012 at 3:04:21 PM permalink

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That appears to be changing before April 1. It looks like ALL casinos will be going to "Slot play/Table play" instead of cash back. It is still redeemed at the 2:1 ratio though...

Eeeww...gross. You mean I won't be able to do the "Rewards Credits for Cash" at places like Hammond or Southern Indiana?
Not that it matters. I had about $690 from the Great Race promo and other places that I was going to turn into cash, but I have since squandered on high-end dining in Las Vegas. Well, not really squandered since I enjoyed the meals probably moreso than I would the cash. I still have $183 left, though.

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March 12th, 2012 at 3:14:01 PM permalink

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Eeeww...gross. You mean I won't be able to do the "Rewards Credits for Cash" at places like Hammond or Southern Indiana?
Not that it matters. I had about $690 from the Great Race promo and other places that I was going to turn into cash, but I have since squandered on high-end dining in Las Vegas. Well, not really squandered since I enjoyed the meals probably moreso than I would the cash. I still have $183 left, though.

From what I understand, the whole program is changing. Many properties have eliminated RCs for cash, so it wouldn't surprise me, and the literature that I have seen says ALL casinos will be offering a chance for free play. I don't know this officially, but what I've read says "Starting April 1, all TR casinos will be offering a chance to redeems RCs for free slot play or table play." If that doesn't mean eliminating RCs for Cash, I don't know what it means.

It could be harder to eliminate the program in competitive markets or in jurisdictions where they must offer a cash equivalent (i.e. Missouri). I'm not sure what to take of it, but seeing as it's kind of on the DL, I've got to think the worst...

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March 12th, 2012 at 3:18:08 PM permalink

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From what I understand, the whole program is changing. Many properties have eliminated RCs for cash, so it wouldn't surprise me, and the literature that I have seen says ALL casinos will be offering a chance for free play. I don't know this officially, but what I've read says "Starting April 1, all TR casinos will be offering a chance to redeems RCs for free slot play or table play." If that doesn't mean eliminating RCs for Cash, I don't know what it means.

It could be harder to eliminate the program in competitive markets or in jurisdictions where they must offer a cash equivalent (i.e. Missouri). I'm not sure what to take of it, but seeing as it's kind of on the DL, I've got to think the worst...

Do you have some kind of channel to insider access?

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March 12th, 2012 at 3:28:56 PM permalink

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Do you have some kind of channel to insider access?

TR MAGAZINE, WINTER 2012

Check out the bottom of page 2. Far right hand lower corner it explains how you will be able to get your free play at all TR Casinos. As I stated above, I'm not 100% sure, since I haven't asked at a Total Rewards Center. But when has Caesars ever changed something for the better... I've got to think it's goodbye for RCs for Cash. It's already gone in Tunica.

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silversonic2006

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March 12th, 2012 at 3:46:47 PM permalink

Casinos, just like any other industry, will adjust their policies according to what the market will support. In AC, casinos are free to offer 6:5 single deck blackjack, but the more "dedicated" average AC gambler won't bite, so it hasn't taken off. State regulations in DE and PA limit the freedom casinos have in altering games rules, but casinos make up for that with high minimums (some of the PA casinos make Caesars Palace limits look cheap...try finding any blackjack under $25 at Parx in PA on a Saturday night).

That said, I do wish all the LV properties would more clearly advertise which games are which. Call regular 3:2 blackjack "Classic Blackjack" or something like that, so I know which tables to avoid. Clearly, it doesn't stop people from filling up the 6:5 garbage tables, but for the more dedicated players, they can find their games more easily...they're not going to play 6:5, so let them find their 3:2 games and everyone'll be happier.

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March 13th, 2012 at 11:36:25 AM permalink

I don't know, I like Harrah's. I play mostly at The Horseshoe in Shreveport and since Harrah's bought them out, I haven't paid for a room in Vegas. Not only that but I have also stayed in Tahoe and New Orleans for free. And I'm certainly no Diamond player. Yeah, the cash for points is gone at The Horseshoe now. But 3:2 Blackjack is the norm and low limit tables are easy to find.

I just wish they would buy a property downtown. I prefer the atmosphere there to that of the strip. But, to each his own, I guess.

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fremont4ever

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March 13th, 2012 at 12:14:55 PM permalink

Quote: texasplumr
I just wish they would buy a property downtown.

They owned Binion's Horseshoe for about a minute back in 2004 - long enough to strip the Horseshoe name and the WSOP rights. They flipped the casino itself to MTR, who knew as much about running a downtown casino as you or I do.

The chance that CZR will buy another downtown casino is about zero.

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March 13th, 2012 at 12:42:58 PM permalink

Does anybody have any idea what their plan is? They admitted they missed the boat in Asia and their debt is through the roof, borderline unsustainable.

DJTeddyBear

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March 13th, 2012 at 12:54:22 PM permalink

Their "Plan" is to lure millions of new tourists by building an observation wheel behind IP / Flamingo.

Of course, MGM has a similar plan to build a wheel, but theirs will be next to the airport runway.

As a result, any potential new tourist will be confused to the point of not bothering.

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March 13th, 2012 at 1:03:51 PM permalink

LOL sounds about right. DJ I think you go to Atlantic City often, I live within two and a half hours. It just seems what they are doing is not going to work. Once Revel comes in and pssibly the Hard Rock in 2013 or 2014 they will be in even bigger trouble. They already closed the Wild West casino at the start of the year.

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