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WongBo
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March 6th, 2012 at 8:54:32 AM permalink
Nobody was comparing the two.

We were discussing the quality of CZR properties.
If you don't agree, enjoy them while you can.
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March 6th, 2012 at 8:56:45 AM permalink
O' Sheas can be crossed off that list. If what I've read is correct, employees received their 60 day termination notices on March 1st and the casino is scheduled to close on April 30th.
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WongBo
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March 6th, 2012 at 8:59:36 AM permalink
One down,fifty four to go...
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bigfoot66
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March 6th, 2012 at 9:40:35 AM permalink
Quote: WongBo

rude staff, bad payables, high house edge games,
Bad food, dirty restrooms, watery drinks,
Desperate financial straits likely to make things even tighter.



I have found the bad paytables and high house edge games in Vegas, but in San Diego Harrah's has the most liberal paytables and games. I have not experienced the bad food, dirty restrooms, watery drinks, or rude staff. They have also been very generous with me with the comps, more than any other casino I have developed a relationship with. I don't like the fact that 80% of the strip is owned by 2 companies and I prefer looser houses to tighter ones, but I feel like the comps make up for the lower paytables. Besides, I can avoid the lousy games and play the good games.

On a seperate note, it bothers me when someone complains about a company being "greedy". Everybody is greedy. It is part of the fundamental human condition. And the gamblers are just as greedy as the house. Are we not greedy? We demand 100% + VP tables, the best rules at BJ, free drinks, meals, hotel rooms, oh and throw in some promotional chips and slot play while you are at it. Our greed is good but Gary Loveman's greed is bad? Frankly, if you think that greed is bad (I don't) I think I can make a strong case that player greed is worse. We demand that people build opulent billion dollar resorts and fill them with games that can be beaten in the long run...



Instead of punishing them for being "greedy" why don't we just find the best deal for each of us individually, patronize those places.
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Triplell
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March 6th, 2012 at 9:58:10 AM permalink
Horseshoe Council Bluffs is a HET property.

They don't comp your drinks unless you are a diamond card, but I think that has something to do with being in Iowa (as the other casino's don't do it either)..

Anyway, their craps tables are 100x odds. On the buy bets, they take $1 for every $39 bet. On the lay, they take $1 for every $39 won.

I'm not sure how they rate you. It's really hard to know. Maybe I should ask next time I'm in there and it's quiet.
Tiltpoul
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March 6th, 2012 at 1:05:37 PM permalink
Quote: Triplell

Horseshoe Council Bluffs is a HET property. They don't comp your drinks unless you are a diamond card, but I think that has something to do with being in Iowa (as the other casino's don't do it either)..



If you ask the pit to comp your drinks, they will. They'll buy the table a round, thought Diamond players don't really get to take advantage of that

Quote: Triplell

Anyway, their craps tables are 100x odds. On the buy bets, they take $1 for every $39 bet. On the lay, they take $1 for every $39 won.



Actually, they'll give a buy bet on a $10 bet, only costing you $1 on wins only. It's a pretty good deal.

Quote: WongBo

rude staff, bad payables, high house edge games, Bad food, dirty restrooms, watery drinks, Desperate financial straits likely to make things even tighter.



Rude staff? Other than for a few small exceptions, most of the staff at nearly ALL properties are more than willing to help you. Bad paytables and high house edge games? Only in Vegas, which I agree, is awful. AC may not have the best paytables on VP, but they've got Spanish 21 with a low HE, and all the other games are standard AC rules. Bad Food, watery drinks, dirty restrooms? Details please...

Quote: WongBo

I have mostly experienced these problems at their NJ properties: Caesar's AC, Ballys AC, Showboat, WildWest, Harrah's AC. And Harrah's Chester.(PA)

If you are satisfied with your experiences by all means continue to enjoy yourself. I know I am not alone in my opinion.



I'll fully admit I'm a Diamond card holder with Caesars. The properties in AC are mediocre, but where is it better that you're going to get a lot of flexibility? Trump Plaza, which got a glowing review from you in another post??? You think THAT will last longer than Caesars??? ACH is on its last legs. Tropicana will survive, but you expected a lot there and didn't get anything from it. That leaves Borgata (too big if you're not a high roller), Trump Taj, Revel and Golden Nugget. None of those give you the flexibility of Total Rewards if you travel.

If you only play in Atlantic City, then you shouldn't play at Caesars properties... but if you travel at all, there are only three cards that give you good nationwide exposure: TR, MLife, and B Connected. Penn's not linked so that's tough. MLife is mostly Vegas, and talk about unfair; Bellagio won't rate players at less than a $25 level... is THAT fair? I'd boycott MGM just for that policy alone.

Yes, I'm biased... I have stated before that I'm a Dark Lord in the Evil Empire... but unless you have played extensively at a LOT of their properties, you aren't getting the total picture. I've been to at least 20 of the properties, and they vary from awful (any LV property) to near excellent (Horseshoe Tunica). They average out to a good level if you travel a lot like I do.
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thlf
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March 6th, 2012 at 2:07:14 PM permalink
I'm a lot in agreement with tiltpoul. I have not paid for a room with CET for 10 years. I stay 4 or 5 times a year on the strip. I gamble there just enough to keep the comps coming. When I want to play VP I walk to the Casino Royale. Even with the shitty odds I would say I am not too far down at Caesars props. If I throw the rooms and food comps, free play, yearly gift, etc. then I am probably ahead.
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March 6th, 2012 at 4:17:41 PM permalink
Quote: thlf

I'm a lot in agreement with tiltpoul. I have not paid for a room with CET for 10 years. I stay 4 or 5 times a year on the strip. I gamble there just enough to keep the comps coming. When I want to play VP I walk to the Casino Royale. Even with the shitty odds I would say I am not too far down at Caesars props. If I throw the rooms and food comps, free play, yearly gift, etc. then I am probably ahead.



Agree 100%. As a low level pai gow poker player, and now tiles too, Caesars gives me free rooms now for up to 5 nights in vegas. Even though i get minimal other comps, probably about $1 per hour of play, overall I do fine for my level of play. They usually give me one coupon for a free dinner at the Rio buffet, or something equivalent, too. My games have no 'paytables', so there is no advantage to playing at one casino versus another. They are always super nice at the Rio. As mentioned previously, a pit boss handed me a set of tiles as a gift last year.
MrRalph
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March 6th, 2012 at 4:52:46 PM permalink
I also agree and am treated the same way. At least at Ceasars your play and comps follow you, at MGM properties they do not. Just because I qualify for some free nights at the Bellagio I will not be given the same offer at the Mirage if I have not played enough there. If you get free nights at MGM properties you do not pay the resort fee but if you pay a reduced room fee than you still pay the resort fee.
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March 6th, 2012 at 7:06:13 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

Before anyone gets confused, the WildWest casino mentioned is actually part of Bally's AC. It's a separate room, and may have been the origianal Claridge casino, but it is part of the Bally's name and license.


It was never part of the Claridge. It's on the other side of the main Bally's. Arthur Goldberg built it as the first real attempt at theming in AC, and it was one of his last major efforts as head of Bally's.

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