PaulEWog
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January 30th, 2011 at 8:42:01 AM permalink
For those that are interested, the NY Times has this article on the new bypass bridge. And for those that have not seen it, there is a more personal article from the Wizard on the bridge here.

I went out on it for the first time in November and thought it was well worth doing. I'd followed the progress online for years as well as seeing it many times as I drove in to the city and it was great to see it without all the construction equipment. I'm looking forward to driving over it for the first time in a couple of weeks.

I was there relatively early on a Monday morning, probably about 10-11, and parking was somewhat of a nightmare. The dam police, (not to be confused with the "damn police"), had to sit at the lot turn off and turn cars away. And in case you are planning on visiting with something in your vehicle you are not supposed to have beware; they are still doing searches. They had me pull over, open the trunk, etc. and said it was just random and every x number of cars were searched.

I parked in the bus area down the hill, which probably gets close to doubling the height and distance to the bridge from that of the regular lot. I suspect that in time they are going to have to do something to increase the parking availability as there is so much interest in it, and I doubt that will ease much, if at all.
pacomartin
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January 31st, 2011 at 7:52:41 AM permalink
I am shocked that they choose not to put higher barriers to prevent suicides in Nevada.


The Duke Ellington bridge in Washington DC became known as "suicide bridge" before they put up the metal barriers. They stopped the work for a few weeks as people debated the esthetics of the anti-suicide bars, and two people jumped while they were debating. Those last two suicides ended the debate, and the bars went up.


In Canada they designed a veil which would keep the view clear, but still prevent suicides
thecesspit
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January 31st, 2011 at 8:02:34 AM permalink
Should we stop suicides being successful, apart from the clean up work required?

Surely people should have the right to end their own lives in a free-market, liberal and open society?
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Doc
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January 31st, 2011 at 9:07:35 AM permalink
I remember a tour guide at Hoover Dam discussing suicides by jumping off the dam. The attitude was something to the effect that, "So long as they bounce into the water and drift far enough downstream before coming to shore to be outside the boundaries of our responsibility, then it's someone else's problem, and we don't really get involved or care."
DJTeddyBear
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January 31st, 2011 at 9:26:02 AM permalink
Quote: pacomartin

In Canada they designed a veil which would keep the view clear, but still prevent suicides

Do you really consider that a clear view?


While the high rails on the Duke Ellington bridge are far more aesthetically pleasing than this, it's still an obstruction.

And an unnecessary expense.


If someone is bent on suicide, some silly little railing will not stop them. Oh, sure, it may make them find a different location to jump, but they'll find it.
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Ayecarumba
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January 31st, 2011 at 5:30:02 PM permalink
Quote: thecesspit

Should we stop suicides being successful, apart from the clean up work required?

Surely people should have the right to end their own lives in a free-market, liberal and open society?



I think someone who wants to jump off a bridge to end their life is "impaired", and is not capable of making a rational decision in this weighty matter.
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MrV
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January 31st, 2011 at 6:31:10 PM permalink
Quote: thecesspit

Should we stop suicides being successful, apart from the clean up work required?

Surely people should have the right to end their own lives in a free-market, liberal and open society?



Here here!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWGS2b3tP1c
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January 31st, 2011 at 7:16:51 PM permalink
Quote: PaulEWog


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I was there relatively early on a Monday morning, probably about 10-11, and parking was somewhat of a nightmare. The dam police, (not to be confused with the "damn police"), had to sit at the lot turn off and turn cars away. And in case you are planning on visiting with something in your vehicle you are not supposed to have beware; they are still doing searches. They had me pull over, open the trunk, etc. and said it was just random and every x number of cars were searched.
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Hello, Mr. Paranoid here.

I was under the understanding that the bypass bridge's main function was to prevent someone hauling a nuke from blowing the damn up. Y'all know my opinions on the damn being the only water/energy source for a lots of folks, and y'all can rightfully assume that if we suddenly lost the damn, we would be in a world of hurt.

However, if someone blew up that same truckload from atop the new bypass bridge, I think it would be a MORE EFFECTIVE detonation point than can be achieved anywhere on the old highway. In fact, when we detonated our A-bombs in Japan, that's almost exactly the detonation point we used to effect the most damage; 1 mile ABOVE the ground. The force generates a shockwave that has a much more powerful effect than if the distance isn't there. This was predicted and calculated well in advance, planned and executed precisely in December, 1945, and everyone knows the results.

Here is a study verifying what I僧 spewing.

If you look at the angle the damn face has with the land, and if you extend a perpendicular line from its dead center out about one mile... there you are, sittting comfortably in you're mini-van in the Westbound lane of the new "BY-PASS" bridge.

I'm no structural engineer, but I'm guessing that the canyon would also vector the force of anything detonated at that spot directly to the center of the damn, and thus it would require a MUCH smaller device to bust it than had they never built the bridge.


(paranoid ranting about THEM follows...)
I think THEY know this, THEY already knew it, THEY've known it all along in fact, and THEY're only searching cars now to assure that anything that gets blown up will be done so according to THEIR schedules using THEIR bombs under the pretences that THEY want everyone to believe (with the help of THEIR state-controled media) ... has anyone ever heard of building 7? If not, wake up and google it right now. Sorry to ruin your faith in THEM.
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mkl654321
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January 31st, 2011 at 7:47:00 PM permalink
Quote: Ayecarumba

I think someone who wants to jump off a bridge to end their life is "impaired", and is not capable of making a rational decision in this weighty matter.



It can be a perfectly rational decision to end one's life; in fact, in the "proper" context, we even applaud the decision as noble, as in the soldier who falls on the grenade, or in Christian mythology where Jesus essentially commits suicide in order to redeem mankind. I also think that relatively few people have any problem with a person who is terminally ill and/or in severe, incurable pain ending their life.

For that matter, it may be a "bad" decision, viewed objectively, to take one's own life, but who decides? Who, as an outsider, can form any universal standard? So the answer is either to absolutely forbid suicide--which is a practical impossibility--or to acknowledge that it is a fundamental right to do as one wants with that most fundamental piece of human property--one's own life.

And I think that bridge barriers are not put up to keep people from killing themselves (they will just do it some other way), but to save the bridge maintenance crew from having to go fish out the body.
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January 31st, 2011 at 8:13:19 PM permalink
The barriers also impede the blast force. Who needs 'em?
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