Discussion about the Suspension List
Quote: 1BBWould two people be allowed to have accounts from the same computer? For example, would my wife be allowed to join and post? She has no interest but I was curious. Would it have to be disclosed at registration or shortly thereafter?
I think the potential problems are obvious but would that be reason to reject the new member?
That has happened several times since I became an admin. I generally inquire by PM when there's a duplication, and sometimes it's husband/wifes or roommates, sometimes it's someone who's forgotten their password, sometimes it's other stuff, including ban ducking or wanting to boost their POV by having "others" chime in with support. Each situation, I try and find out what's going on before I take (or don't take) action.
Quote: beachbumbabsThe world has changed a lot in the 5 years this forum has been active. Every time someone changes jobs, gets a new phone or tablet, or even roams, they appear as a new person. Not a lot can be done about the door being open. But doors work 2 ways.
But that is okay. Not everyone who was a jerk and got nuked will always be a jerk. If someone comes back a year from now with a new account, and behaves like a grown adult, is not the forum a better place with the added input?
And the ones who just don't grow up? Well, they end up nuked again, and again.
Quote: RaleighCrapsBut that is okay. Not everyone who was a jerk and got nuked will always be a jerk. If someone comes back a year from now with a new account, and behaves like a grown adult, is not the forum a better place with the added input?
And the ones who just don't grow up? Well, they end up nuked again, and again.
Actually, that's true. I would guess there are one or more of them on here who learned from whatever the problem was the first time, returned, and enjoy the forum without needing to repeat their problem. Good point.
Quote: beachbumbabsFWIW, TaraBC is an anagram of Bacarat, as Tara said before. Pretty sure it's not a "she" but could be wrong.
Did Tara really say that? Because it's not. One too few A's for "Bacarat" (sic).
Quote: DeucekiesDid Tara really say that? Because it's not. One too few A's for "Bacarat" (sic).
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Then that makes this the very first and only place in the history of the universe where that has ever happened. I have never seen anything remotely like that happen with a single person on any forum, anywhere, ever. And I'm pretty sure I never will, since human beings are not malleable lumps of clay, they do not magically acquire brand new characters, they are not subject to becoming re-parented, if they ever were it would certainly not occur on some web discussion board, especially not this kind, and in some weird alternate universe where that kind of character engineering did occur the last thing such an individual with a shiny new and improved makeup would seek to do is come back in disguise to a place they were kicked out of. People who engage in multi-accounting to infest web forums that have kicked them off have very serious permanent mental and emotional problems. People who do not suffer from severe innate emotional disturbance and serious mental illness simply do not do things like that, ever. Except for here, apparently.Quote: beachbumbabsActually, that's true. I would guess there are one or more of them on here who learned from whatever the problem was the first time, returned, and enjoy the forum without needing to repeat their problem. Good point.
Quote: DrawingDeadThen that makes this the very first and only place in the history of the universe where that has ever happened. I have never seen anything remotely like that happen with a single person on any forum, anywhere, ever. And I'm pretty sure I never will, since human beings are not malleable lumps of clay, they do not magically acquire brand new characters, they are not subject to becoming re-parented, if they ever were it would certainly not occur on some web discussion board, especially not this kind, and in some weird alternate universe where that kind of character engineering did occur the last thing such an individual with a shiny new and improved makeup would seek to do is come back in disguise to a place they were kicked out of. People who engage in multi-accounting to infest web forums that have kicked them off have very serious permanent mental and emotional problems. People who do not suffer from severe innate emotional disturbance and serious mental illness simply do not do things like that, ever. Except for here, apparently.
I was agreeing with the hypothetical. I'm not aware of anyone who's here in that circumstance.
Quote: DrawingDeadPeople who engage in multi-accounting to infest web forums that have kicked them off have very serious permanent mental and emotional problems. People who do not suffer from severe innate emotional disturbance and serious mental illness simply do not do things like that, ever. Except for here, apparently.
Oh baloney. I know at least two people that
have done it & gotten away with it. Neither are
mentally ill or anything close to it. This is
the internet, all you have to alter is small things,
not your appearance and your voice and all else
that gives you away.
Uh-huh. And why would one ever want to do such a thing? No doubt those who've done so feel they are perfectly normal emotionally healthy individuals. And one can be sure they will continue to "know" that despite any and all obvious evidence to the contrary.Quote: EvenBobOh baloney. I know at least two people that
have done it & gotten away with it. Neither are
mentally ill or anything close to it. This is
the internet, all you have to alter is small things,
not your appearance and your voice and all else
that gives you away.
If I know someone doesn't want me in their place, that isn't a place I'm eager to go spend my time. Very few people would. It is a big world, with lots of places.
Quote: DrawingDeadUh-huh. And why would one ever want to do such a thing?
For fun, to show you could do it,
as a challenge, to prove something.
Lots of reasons.
Too much troll sympathy and people will start thinking you're admitting something.Quote: EvenBobFor fun, to show you could do it,
as a challenge, to prove something.
Lots of reasons.
Quote: DrawingDeadThen that makes this the very first and only place in the history of the universe where that has ever happened. I have never seen anything remotely like that happen with a single person on any forum, anywhere, ever. And I'm pretty sure I never will, since human beings are not malleable lumps of clay, they do not magically acquire brand new characters, they are not subject to becoming re-parented, if they ever were it would certainly not occur on some web discussion board, especially not this kind, and in some weird alternate universe where that kind of character engineering did occur the last thing such an individual with a shiny new and improved makeup would seek to do is come back in disguise to a place they were kicked out of. People who engage in multi-accounting to infest web forums that have kicked them off have very serious permanent mental and emotional problems. People who do not suffer from severe innate emotional disturbance and serious mental illness simply do not do things like that, ever. Except for here, apparently.
I agree with this post.
I don't think people change, they are what they are. If people were malleable as you mention than after divorce counseling there would be no need for divorce.
Tigers don't change their spots.
Quote: petroglyph
I don't think people change, they are what they are..
Since when do you have to change who
you are to pretend you're somebody else.
You don't.
Quote: EvenBobSince when do you have to change who
you are to pretend you're somebody else.
You don't.
Agreed, some people are just naturally two faced to begin with. Some bi-polar and some just bi.
That not what the man said, also not what I said.
Quote: boymimboI'm a gay marriage supporter. I am also a member of my church, the majority of which are not gay marriage supporters. They are not bigots. Generalizing again.
I'm sure you're right.
But in this board, and on the wingnut side of the conservative movement, we got much talk about "special rights," "the demise of civilization," "out to destroy marriage," and worse even. Given that, the implication of bigotry, designed to piss them off, provoked a most hilarious response.
Quote: NareedI'm sure you're right.
But in this board, and on the wingnut side of the conservative movement, we got much talk about "special rights," "the demise of civilization," "out to destroy marriage," and worse even. Given that, the implication of bigotry, designed to piss them off, provoked a most hilarious response.
Because laughing makes it all better, even if we disagree on an issue. Not enough humor in the world, if everyone just took the time to laugh at someone today, there would be less fighting.
Exactly; case closed. Not remotely close to the kind of "fun" and "challenge" and utterly bizarre "proof" of self-worth that would ever be sought or considered by a sane emotionally stable individual who is going to be able to behave as a functional adult.Quote: EvenBobFor fun, to show you could do it,
as a challenge, to prove something.
Quote: RaleighCrapsBut that is okay. Not everyone who was a jerk and got nuked will always be a jerk. If someone comes back a year from now with a new account, and behaves like a grown adult, is not the forum a better place with the added input?
And the ones who just don't grow up? Well, they end up nuked again, and again.
We should invite back NotDracula. Best nuke circumvention ever.
Guess it was removed by a mod.
Quote: MrVWasn't there just a post up here from someone, 'piggysuey' , name in red (suspended already)?
Guess it was removed by a mod.
It was, by me.
I have a post sale question about the hierarchy of our administrators. Is the Wizard still the boss or are all five "greens" now equal?
That can't be a serious question.Quote: 1BBAfter a brisk September, October's suspensions are off to a slow start. If it wasn't for piggysuey (Buddy Holly song?) there would only be one entry. No reason is given for piggy's early departure and I found that somewhat unusual. After perusing the list, I found only one other member who was banned with no reason given. No need to look, it was the inimitable LarryS.
I have a post sale question about the hierarchy of our administrators. Is the Wizard still the boss or are all five "greens" now equal?
I have no doubt even the new owners feel Mike is still running the show. As far as I can tell they just want to add some affiliate content and leave the rest as is. I have a feeling they will want Mike to remain on even after the 3 years. Who knows perhaps Mike will buy back a few shares.
Quote: AxelWolfThat can't be a serious question.
I have no doubt even the new owners feel Mike is still running the show. As far as I can tell they just want to add some affiliate content and leave the rest as is. I have a feeling they will want Mike to remain on even after the 3 years. Who knows perhaps Mike will buy back a few shares.
It was a serious question and I'd like to hear anything that the green names can share in that regard.
LCB wanted Wizard of Odds. Wizard of Vegas came with it. LCB has 67,971 forum members. Wizard of Vegas has 5,000 active members. The new owners think that the Odds site is a good fit for them. Where does that leave this forum? Collateral damage has to be a distinct possibility. Yes, the unthinkable could happen. LCB is a very well run business that will make the best decisions for their business. If our "clubhouse" does not fit in with their business plan why on earth would they leave it as is?
Was there something I missed pertaining to three years from now? What did you mean about wanting Mike to remain on even after the three years?
Quote: 1BBAfter a brisk September, October's suspensions are off to a slow start. If it wasn't for piggysuey (Buddy Holly song?) there would only be one entry. No reason is given for piggy's early departure and I found that somewhat unusual. After perusing the list, I found only one other member who was banned with no reason given. No need to look, it was the inimitable LarryS.
I have a post sale question about the hierarchy of our administrators. Is the Wizard still the boss or are all five "greens" now equal?
I imagine PiggySuey was a duplicate account, but the user was smart enough to avoid detection as to who it belonged...but did something so suspicious (login info?) that it left little doubt the account had no legitimate purpose. I imagine this happens frequently, and the names are not listed. Someone asked about this user, so it was listed. My theory.
Quote: 1BBIt was a serious question and I'd like to hear anything that the green names can share in that regard.
LCB wanted Wizard of Odds. Wizard of Vegas came with it. LCB has 67,971 forum members. Wizard of Vegas has 5,000 active members. The new owners think that the Odds site is a good fit for them. Where does that leave this forum? Collateral damage has to be a distinct possibility. Yes, the unthinkable could happen. LCB is a very well run business that will make the best decisions for their business. If our "clubhouse" does not fit in with their business plan why on earth would they leave it as is?
Was there something I missed pertaining to three years from now? What did you mean about wanting Mike to remain on even after the three years?
I was saying, I bet they will want him to remain a part of the sites.
I'm sure they will use this forum to generate a profit. Would be nice to know what plans they do have.
You're right they can always change their mind about anything. Very few thought Mike would sell the sites, probably not even him.
probably forgot to use the VPN.Quote: SonuvabishI imagine PiggySuey was a duplicate account, but the user was smart enough to avoid detection as to who it belonged...but did something so suspicious (login info?) that it left little doubt the account had no legitimate purpose. I imagine this happens frequently, and the names are not listed. Someone asked about this user, so it was listed. My theory.
Quote: BozMy question is why would you or anyone want to rate the mods? They all follow The Wizards standards and if they don't follow it, he addresses it. And if you don't like how they handle issues why not state it? No reason to put it out there without your name. If you are joking about this, sorry for busting on you. But if not, follow the rules Clearly posted or risk the wrath.
A clear evaluation shows most suspensions are valid and are either "new" posters or good long term posters who let emotion get the best of them. Either way it is always valid. JMO
That's not really true. They have autonomy. The Wizard is not going to contradict them unless he fundamentally disagrees or they go off the rails. Nor is he going to get involved in every little detail--i.e. micro-manage. That's why he has the mods. If the mods had oversight by the membership, things would be more in tune with what they want if they aren't already.
Quote: SonuvabishIf the mods had oversight by the membership, things would be more in tune with what they want if they aren't already.
I once asked the Wizard (on Dt) how he knows when he puts up polls, that a bunch of sock puppets aren't voting to degrade the site. (like on site design voting for all green with purple polka dots as their favorite color scheme).
Don't believe he ever answered though.
Wizard already addressed this with a no because he didn't want all the whiners going there to whine about being suspended.Quote: RonCSince links to DT no longer appear here, I think it is appropriate to untie the two boards as far as suspensions/rules go.
Quote: RonCSince links to DT no longer appear here, I think it is appropriate to untie the two boards as far as suspensions/rules go.
Quote: onenickelmiracleWizard already addressed this with a no because he didn't want all the whiners going there to whine about being suspended.
That is a fairly weak reason--since the mods are common but most of the moderating is done by Face, all they have to do is beware of people whining about suspensions on the other board and warn/suspend as necessary.
I did try to contact them (the mods) during my suspension using the tools that are available; I got an answer six days after the suspension ended that was worthless due to the timing. My question was simple: If I deserved a suspension because I didn't agree with BGone's nuking (there are others here doing much the same thing yet not treated as severely) and I stated my position in away that offended the person who suspended him, why did I get 7 days when so many others just get 3 for all kinds of crap...with no "Martingales"...
Had I been able to PM on DT, perhaps I could have gotten an answer sooner. I could have been on a "short leash" there...heck, I had to tell them I was suspended to get the suspension added over there...
They operate as two different boards. They are owned, now, by different people. The conversations are different.
Quote: RonCSince links to DT no longer appear here, I think it is appropriate to untie the two boards as far as suspensions/rules go.
Since people are so helpful to the Wizard as to how to run the other site, I suggest the Wizard charge $500 for nuked members to reinstate on DT, if that is what they want.
Quote: rxwineQuote: RonCSince links to DT no longer appear here, I think it is appropriate to untie the two boards as far as suspensions/rules go.
Since people are so helpful to the Wizard as to how to run the other site, I suggest the Wizard charge $500 for nuked members to reinstate on DT, if that is what they want.
Maybe $5--I have a feeling most nuked members just move on with their lives in spite of the banning.
Quote: RonCSince links to DT no longer appear here, I think it is appropriate to untie the two boards as far as suspensions/rules go.
+1
Reinstate B9!
Reinstate Pete Rose!
The ayes have it...Quote: AZDuffman+1
Reinstate B9!
Reinstate Pete Rose!
Quote: aceofspadesWhy have the links to DT and the other Wizard sites been removed from the bottom of the page? I can only assume the new owners do not want to lose any traffic
With all the whining and bi#Ching, I never really understood why someone bought this site in the first place. Does anyone actually know? I hate DT. Mostly because I don't understand it. And I hate things I don't understand. Like things diverse from me.
Quote: SonuvabishWith all the whining and bi#Ching, I never really understood why someone bought this site in the first place. Does anyone actually know?
I'm thinking 99% would be for the WOO site, not here. But I don't know.
Quote: 1BBNo reason is given for piggy's early departure and I found that somewhat unusual.
When a newcomer comes along and doing something nuke-worthy on his first post I don't feel he deserves the attention of stating what it was in the suspension list. With spammers we don't even bother to list them in the suspension list, usually.
Quote: rxwineI once asked the Wizard (on Dt) how he knows when he puts up polls, that a bunch of sock puppets aren't voting to degrade the site. (like on site design voting for all green with purple polka dots as their favorite color scheme).
Don't believe he ever answered though.
Sorry if I didn't answer. I don't know that this isn't happening. However, I doubt the polls are important enough to create sock puppets for.
In other news, Ahigh has requested a 60-day self-suspension, which has been granted. After the 60 days he must request to be unbanned to return.
Regarding any hierarchy, I've been working on assumption. Zuga now owns this place, so I look at him as top dog. Wiz is also apparently employed by him, and is still the sole owner of DT (where I am very active). As such, I still look at Wiz as "above me". My view of this hierarchy hasn't changed anything, as neither has directed me to do anything different, nor has either challenged me on anything I've done. Behind the scenes, we've each always worked pretty autonomously. On that front, not a single thing has yet changed and it's so far, from my position, a rather pointless detail.
Regarding the rules of WoV, I spoke to Zuga approx a week after the sale. He stated that he had no plans to change things and was taking time to get situated and familiar with the characters present. I, and I assume all the mods, were told that nothing in the rules was changing and to carry on doing what we were doing.
On the topic of the WoV bans still carrying over to DT, I was told by the Wiz that the rule would remain in place. I suppose that makes sense, as all the rules for both sites are still "his", and he chooses not to allow it. Personally, I don't see the problem as it makes total sense. Of course, as always, I'd accept any change that's made in the future. In short, it's completely Wiz's decision, and he's so far stated there will be no change.
RonC, as far as I know, you are on no leash. Your suspension (or lack thereof) on DT is on me. I never peep here to see who got nicked and then run over to DT to make sure they're gone from there, too. The same happened to HB, to Buzz, to Terapined... I just don't do it, and it doesn't appear Wiz is in a hurry to do it either. If you're banned here you're supposed to be banned there. For those who have posted there while under a ban, no further punishment has ever come. I usually just apologize for the oversight and take care of it upon noticing.
I know there were a few questions I'm missing, but I couldn't track them down. Feel free to ask now that you've got my attention =)
Quote: WizardAhigh has requested a 60-day self-suspension, which has been granted.
*Shakes head*
Too bad, he has a lot to offer but instead of blocking the members who stalk him just to bust his b**** he lets them get under his skin. At least now he'll cool off without striking back.
You underestimate how determined some people are when it comes to seemingly trivial stuff. A few "former" members come to mind.Quote: WizardHowever, to create sock puppets for.
.
Perhaps you should have said, "I doubt the polls are important enough to lose any sleep over."
I hope people are not asking life changing question.
I think your best off reading the comments from people who post along with the votes. Weed out the the crazy people.
Quote: chickenman*Shakes head*
Too bad, he has a lot to offer but instead of blocking the members who stalk him just to bust his b**** he lets them get under his skin. At least now he'll cool off without striking back.
If that were the case.
I'll grant you that Z seems to always appear when Ahigh does. But here, I felt he was giving him a metric ton of good insight. If ever I embark on a product I'm fighting to produce, the Z's and EB's of the world are about all I want to hear from.
The "huzzahs" are good for the ego, but ego has no market. Tell me why my product sucks. It's the only way I'll figure out what needs fixing.
Quote: SonuvabishFace--why did they buy the site?
Lol, any question except that ;)
I'm not a business guy, and I never questioned Zuga about it. I can only restate the obvious; they found value in what Wiz has created.
Quote: FaceOn the topic of the WoV bans still carrying over to DT, I was told by the Wiz that the rule would remain in place. I suppose that makes sense, as all the rules for both sites are still "his", and he chooses not to allow it. Personally, I don't see the problem as it makes total sense. Of course, as always, I'd accept any change that's made in the future. In short, it's completely Wiz's decision, and he's so far stated there will be no change.
Quote: FaceRonC, as far as I know, you are on no leash. Your suspension (or lack thereof) on DT is on me. I never peep here to see who got nicked and then run over to DT to make sure they're gone from there, too. The same happened to HB, to Buzz, to Terapined... I just don't do it, and it doesn't appear Wiz is in a hurry to do it either. If you're banned here you're supposed to be banned there. For those who have posted there while under a ban, no further punishment has ever come. I usually just apologize for the oversight and take care of it upon noticing.
As far as having to "self-report" my suspension, my point was that DT is very different from WofV and carrying over suspensions is not really necessary. If someone "goes off" about something that happens on the other board and "needs" suspended, so be it. I only used the "self-report" part (which others did also) to help point out how little importance is already placed on the carry-over rules...
The "leash" part was simply saying if you see someone in red here, they can be placed on a short leash there...don't talk about the other board or your suspended here, too.
Quote: Wizard
In other news, Ahigh has requested a 60-day self-suspension, which has been granted. After the 60 days he must request to be unbanned to return.
He should have been nuked for threatening to
get Zcore fired from his casino job. Threats
used to be taken very seriously around here.
Quote: EvenBobHe should have been nuked for threatening to
get Zcore fired from his casino job. Threats
used to be taken very seriously around here.
I think we should have 'no-ban Fridays'...kinda like casual Fridays, except it's a free for all of personal insults and trolling and threats every friday. If you don't wanna participate, it's your option. You wanna be the loser who doesn't wear jeans, that's fine. Everyone would be nicer to each other every other day of the week, sort of like they are in "The Purge".
I was shocked when I seen that, I thought for sure I was about to see red.Quote: EvenBobHe should have been nuked for threatening to
get Zcore fired from his casino job. Threats
used to be taken very seriously around here.
Certainly a fat suspension was due.
Messing with peoples personal/professional life shouldn't be tolerated.
Not sure why Ahigh has not asked the Mods to step in and personally ask Zcore to refrain from addressing him. How many times does someone have to be asked to be left alone?
